Two and a Half Men? Try One Man With the Courage of At Least 1.25

There is a man—a certain man
And for the truth of nine-one-one
He's doing all he can!
The feds can't screen
The things he's seen
He tells the news
He's off the booze, but now what can he mean?
He's Charlie Sheen!
He's Charlie Sheen!

And Charlie Sheen has joined "a growing army of other highly credible public figures" with the courage to speak out about the 9/11 hoax:

Sheen described the climate of acceptance for serious discussion about 9/11 as being far more fertile than it was a couple of years ago.

"It feels like from the people I talk to in and around my circles, it seems like the worm is turning…

"I was up early and we were gonna do a pre-shoot on Spin City, the show I used to do, I was watching the news and the north tower was burning. I saw the south tower hit live, that famous wide shot where it disappears behind the building and then we see the tremendous fireball."

"There was a feeling, it just didn't look any commercial jetliner I've flown on any time in my life and then when the buildings came down later on that day I said to my brother 'call me insane, but did it sorta look like those buildings came down in a controlled demolition'?"

Was he talking to Emilio, Renée, Ramon, or Zeppo? Yet another unanswered 9/11 question…

Whole story.

Charlie Sheen shoots Kelly Preston.

Soon-to-be-ex-wife Denise Richards is concerned about Sheen's gambling.

Sheen, his suspicions not limited to the Bush administration, tries to get Heather Locklear to spy on Richards.

Sheen's Two-And-A-Half Men co-star Jon Cryer describes his own more humble standing in the post-brat-pack pecking order: "I was so grateful that nobody cared when I was getting a divorce."

I debate Sheen's fellow 9/11 truth seeker, Ken Jenkins.

Comments

[Francois Tremblay]

Glad to see some Americans are ready to fight against the horrifying 9/11 hoax.

[Douglas Fletcher]

The fact that he starred on Spin City and yet hasn't plunged daggers into his eyes in shame brings his credibility way down, as far as I'm concerned.

[thoreau]

Paging Dave W.! Paging Dave W.!

The secret designers would like to chat with you.

[Jersey McJones]

One does have to wonder, though, how 19 little dudes with pocket knives could pull such a thing off. Just the same, to call 9/11 a hoax is really, really wacky.

JMJ

[Mad Shrink]

That 9/11 conspiracy "Bushies did it on purpose" crap is really batshit insane.

I'm not saying there's nothing hidden behind the 'offical story line' -- I'm quite sure there was a lot of ass-covering going on, from the White House down to the NY Fire Dept.

But Bushies doing it on purpose? Controlled demolition'? Look at the way they?ve managed Iraq. They?re boobs. They couldn?t have pulled off 9/11 without getting caught. Not in a million years! It's completely impossible.

[JD]

These people piss me off. I was there. I saw it. Now that's not to say that being an eyewitness tells you everything that was going on, but it tells me more than some jackass who only saw it on TV. Fuck you very much, Charlie Sheen.

[thoreau]

I can see the attraction of living in a world where:

1) People in power are actually clever enough to do this.

2) A major terrorist attack is beyond the means of 19 guys with knives, cleverness, fanaticism, and enough time to carefully plan.

That's not the world we live in, however.

[Phil]

Yes, and the mountains of evidence from air traffic control reports, plance-to-ground calls, airport cameras, etc., etc., etc., makes these people all look like the paranoid fools they are.

[GILMORE]

1 - 'if the leader of the free world couldnt get away with a simple blowjob without partisan opportunists attacking him from every angle, he sure as fuck cant pull off anything REALLY secret without someone burning him for their own gain'

and 2 - 'government is far too incompetent for successful conspiracies'.

basically, self-interest and human stupidity are guiding laws i think people forget about from time to time.

good piece to read, BTW

= http://www.mentalsoup.com/mentalsoup/basic.htm

JG

[Grummun]

a growing army of other highly credible public figures

I like how in the links from that story, they keep repeating the word 'credible,' as if that is some kind of defense against being call a nutjob.

Am I the only one who remembers seeing a physicist (or engineer, or similiar), on national TV explaining how the intense heat of the burning jet fuel weakened the frame of the towers, and that caused the collapse?

[Do you want new wave or do you]

Paging Dave W.!

It's funny how a little discovery & litigation in the Moussaoui case is uncovering much more meaningful info about protecting America than the Official 9/11 Commission ever did. Wonder what the civil litigation against the airlines will uncover. Since we live in an age where journalists aren't properly incentivized to do FOIAs, we have to rely on the bar to kind of stand in for the free press.

[just saying]

Three men can keep a secret if two of them are dead (and the third can keep mum when it comes to bragging with the old boys in the bar and/or the new girlfriend in bed)

[Col DuBois]

I can see the attraction of living in a world where: 1) People in power are actually clever enough to do this.2) A major terrorist attack is beyond the means of 19 guys with knives, cleverness, fanaticism, and enough time to carefully plan.

"People in power"? You mean the people who appear to be in power, right? True power conceals itself.

Who said that the White House signed off on this? The executive branch is a gigantic labyrinthine entity, most of which no one person, not even the President, can hope to keep tabs on, let alone control.

The way I see it, if 19 random Saudis can manage to do it without getting caught, a faction of 19 in one of the deep dark corners of the govt can do it even better.

[madpad]

And Charlie Sheen has joined "a growing army of other highly credible public figures"

I though all the booze & cocaine made him a 'high' public figure...Not a 'highly credible' one.

Prostitutes. Madames. Porn Stars. Rehab. Incredible maybe...but not an indicator of 'credible'...at least as I define it.

[R C Dean]

...call me insane

OK.

[Mark Borok]

"The way I see it, if 19 random Saudis can manage to do it without getting caught'

They very cleverly evaded capture by killing themselves in the process.

As for not getting caught before the plan is carried out, that is much easier to do.

[SR]

"Prostitutes. Madames. Porn Stars. Rehab. Incredible maybe...but not an indicator of 'credible'...at least as I define it."

And you call yourself a libertarian!

[thoreau]

Col DuBois-

The conspiracy theorists aren't just positing that 19 federal employees did something in their dark corner. They're positing that they failed to cover their tracks, so numerous investigators at every level of numerous agencies had no choice but to hide it on behalf of these 19 guys operating in a dark corner. That's clearly a ridiculous conspiracy theory, because somebody would talk if 19 guys failed to cover their tracks and left behind ample evidence of it.

[Karen]

The best advice I've ever heard about fanciful claims of conspiracies comes from Napoleon: "Never ascribe to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence." 9/11 was the brainchild of an evil wackjob in a cave, but it succeeded in its sick way because lots of people made dimwit errors at critical times. One alert FBI official in August of that year, and the whole plan would have collapsed.

I think people prefer to believe in Dr. Moriarty masterminding elaborate criminal conspiracies because the evil professor can be put at a safe psychological distance. The actual perpetrators of most of the great crimes in history were otherwise pathetic losers in cheap apartments, and whose plots could have been foiled by one non-comatose cop. All of us make dumb mistakes from time to time. Therefore, it's easy to imagine that any of us could have failed at the one point necessary to stop this particular plot. I'd never be able to live with myself if I were the FBI agent who ignored the tip from Michigan about the Arabs in flight school who skipped out on landing class. It's much easier to believe that this was plotted by invincible superpeople with equally invincible technology. Thus, we're absolved of responsibility.

[Captain Holly]

The way I see it, if 19 random Saudis can manage to do it without getting caught, a faction of 19 in one of the deep dark corners of the govt can do it even better.

Uh, they weren't random Saudis (some were Egyptian and Yemeni, IIRC) who suddenly just decided to do this on a whim. They trained for years at Al-Qaeda camps in Afghanistan and at flight schools in the US.

I remember back in the mid-90's members of the Fringe Right were certain the OK City bombing was Clinton's "Reichstag Fire", an incident that was set up by the White House in order to justify imposing martial law on the US. I'm sure there are still some who believe that McVeigh was actually a government agent.

[Col Dubois]

thoreau: let me get this straight...there's evidence that the conspiracy theory is true, therefore it can't be true?

[John]

People want to see conspiracy theories because it is more comforting than the truth. It is in someway comforting to know that it takes a big evil conspiracy to pull off something as aweful as 9-11. What is disturbing is that a collection of loosers and nobodies like Bin Laden and Atta could manage to do it. People look for conspiracy theories in 9-11 for the same reason that they look for them in the Kennedy assasination, it is just terrifying to think that an determined, faceless, looser, nobody can change history and murder 1000s.

[linguist]

"I was up early and we were gonna do a pre-shoot on Spin City, the show I used to do, I was watching the news and the north tower was burning. I saw the south tower hit live, that famous wide shot where it disappears behind the building and then we see the tremendous fireball."

Early? He was up early? Gee, I'd already driven 1/2 hour to work and sat through a sales team meeting by the time the second tower was hit. Wasn't that at almost 10 in the morning? Yeah, ok Charlie...how bad was your hangover that Tuesday?

[thoreau]

Col.-

No. The conspiracy theorists insist that the proof is out there but every investigator at every level of every agency is refusing to talk about it. That is a much grander conspiracy theory than the one you originally put forth about a handful of guys in a dark corner doing something on their own.

If you want me to believe that a handful of guys in a dark corner did something, you need to (1) provide good evidence and (2) give a non-crazy explanation for why everybody else has failed to figure this out.

[Thomas Paine's Goiter]

The best advice I've ever heard about fanciful claims of conspiracies comes from Napoleon: "Never ascribe to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence."

Boogeymen are more fun and allow you to rest in your beliefs with ever more assuredness.

Imagine these people, had they been alive at the outset of WWI. "THERE'S NO WAY THAT SEVEN SERBS COULD HAVE DONE THIS! IT WAS GERMANY! NO! IT WAS HUNGARY! NO! IT WAS THE ILLUMINATI!"

[Amanda Hugginkiss]

The only "controlled demolition" Charlie Sheen is familiar with is the one he pays the hooker for.

[Ghost]

The Spin City pre-shoots were probably in California, so it was earlier there.

I am not (yet) a conspiracy theorist about the collapse of the towers, but for various reasons I heard about the collapses on the radio as they were happening, but did not see them until much later. The fact of the towers collapsing, at the time, surprised me much more than the hi-jacking and plane strikes. After I saw the footage on TV that evening, I got less suspicious for whatever reason.

[Ammonium]

My mom worked for one of the airlines when this happened and was able to tell me the details about one of the flights before the media reported it. This means that the airlines were obviously in on the conspiracy.

I'm not sure exactly what happened to those flights. Maybe they never existed or perhaps they also were shot down like the plane in Pennsylvania, but Farmer Jones didn't see them so Bush, Israel, and the Cons didn't have to change the story. In any case, would it surprise anyone to know that a lot of people with knowledge of this conspiracy got on a plane that crashed on 9/11? It wouldn't surprise me! Therefore, I'm pretty sure it's true.

Obviously the airlines (corporations) played a big part in this conspiracy, and it was planned well in advance. I'm sure that you'd find that the executives short sold the airlines using stocks held in employee pensions. This would be easy to prove if it weren't for the SEC covering it up, which they surely did then using Enron as a clever diversion tactic.

[Ammonium]

One more thing: I heard this point raised yesterday... How is it possible that these gigantic airplanes were able to decend from the sky and hit targets that were just a little over 200' wide? Well-trained pilots would have difficultly being that precise, let alone amateurs. Plus, when would you ever be able to practice such a thing?

[thoreau]

Ammonium-

Don't airplanes routinely manage to connect with a runway that is about as wide as the wingspan?

[linguist]

The Spin City pre-shoots were probably in California, so it was earlier there.

That occurred to me after I posted 🙂
But then, I also thought he meant he saw Tower II "live"...he meant on live tv. OK, so he's even stupider than I gave credit for.

[John]

Ammonium,

They are called flight simulators. Hell, the off the self Microsoft flight is a pretty good one and before 9-11 even had the skyscrapers of various cities for you to fly into. Put it your terms, how in the world does an airplane take off from JFK, fly half way around the world and land on a 200 foot wide runway in London? I don't believe it.

[keith]

I think (hope) Ammonium is having his satirical way with conspiracists, and you're stepping in it, Dr T and John.

[thoreau]

I think (hope) you're right, keith. I picked up on it after posting.

[aauk;li;liasgd;gd;l]

Col.-

No. The conspiracy theorists insist that the proof is out there but every investigator at every level of every agency is refusing to talk about it. That is a much grander conspiracy theory than the one you originally put forth about a handful of guys in a dark corner doing something on their own.

If you want me to believe that a handful of guys in a dark corner did something, you need to (1) provide good evidence and (2) give a non-crazy explanation for why everybody else has failed to figure this out.

Comment by: thoreau at March 22, 2006 11:24 AM

1-there are lots of discrepencies in the official story (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9-11_domestic_conspiracy ) and conspiracy theories are usually only able to go this far. its illogical to demand conspiracy theorists to know everything about how it really happened, how could they?
2-almost everyone is not even able to consider that the official story is wrong.

[V Clipps]

Popular Mechanics did a fine takedown on most of the 'evidence' of the highly-credibly conspiracy theorists.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=1

Page 4 details why the Towers fell straight down instead of sideways and why there were big puffs of dust and smoke as they did.