Those Crazy Kids and Their Cigars
A letter to the American Journal of Public Health that wonders whether teenagers are "choosing cigars over cigarettes" is the latest excuse for anti-smoking activists to mislead the public about the relative hazards of these two forms of tobacco. John Banzhaf of Action on Smoking and Health tells HealthDay "it's hard to make a direct comparison" between the risks posed by cigars and the risks posed by cigarettes "because it depends on how often one smokes each product, the extent to which the cigar smoke is inhaled, and which cancers we focus on." It's true that frequency and inhalation matter. If the typical cigar smoker went through 10 stogies a day and inhaled the smoke, his risks might resemble those of the typical cigarette smoker. But he doesn't, and they don't.
Cigar smokers face much smaller risks than cigarette smokers do, precisely because they smoke less often and are less apt to inhale. They are therefore much less prone to lung cancer, heart disease, and emphysema--the three major smoking-related causes of death--and much less likely to die as a result of their habit. Given these facts, it is more than a little misleading to say the comparison depends on "which cancers we focus on," as if there were no clear overall difference in risk. Banzhaf moves from misdirection to outright prevarication when he says "most experts would agree that cigar smoking is clearly not less dangerous than cigarette smoking."
The HealthDay story directs readers to the Web site of the American Cancer Society for more information "about the risks of cigar smoking." There you will find an article with a headline claiming it's a "false notion" that cigars are "safer than cigarettes." In fact, says the ACS, "cigars are as deadly as cigarettes," a point "supported by the National Cancer Institute." It immediately contrradicts itself by citing a 1998 NCI report that found "regular cigar smokers have a similar risk of developing oral and esophagus cancer, but less chance of developing lung and larynx cancers, coronary heart disease, and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease than cigarette smokers" (emphasis added). As I said, the latter diseases include the major cigarette-related killers, and the upshot is a lower overall risk.
There is some evidence that cigar smoking among teenagers is rising while cigarette smoking is declining. The AJPH letter cites data from the 2004 New Jersey Youth Tobacco Survey indicating that "for the first time ever, more high school boys reported currently smoking cigars (17.2%) than cigarettes (15.9%)." ("Current" smoking is defined as at least once in the previous month. Oddly, the letter does not say whether cigar smoking was more common in 2004 than in the previous survey.) The corresponding numbers from the National Youth Tobacco Survey were 18.4 percent for cigars (up from 16.9 percent in 2002) and 21.6 percent for cigarettes (down from 23.9 percent in 2002). But if it's true that teenagers are "choosing cigars over cigarettes," the result (assuming they continue the habits into adulthood) is likely to be less smoking-related illness.
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Mr. Sullum,
Are you a smoker? Just curious.
All the cool kids smoke pipes, anyway.
Great. As if the teens didn't smell bad enough already, now they're going to be hanging out at the mall smoking stogies.
As a cigar enthusiast, the health police's jihyad against them is maddening. This point would be lost on the anti-smoking forces, but I would be interested to know what percentage of teenagers are smoking hand rolled, premium cigars (like you'd get in a fine smoke shop) or machine rolled cigars like White Owls and Swisher Sweets (many of which are used as "marijuana delivery devices") that you'd find at your local gas station. The latter have been mythologized by hip hop culture so much that its almost a cliche. Based on the anecdotal evidence from the cigar shop owners I know (and I know quite a few, all over the country) they haven't seen much of an increase in high school aged kids trying to buy cigars. My guess is that much of this increase is due to the popularization of the "blunt" as a hip way to smoke the hippie lettuce. No high school kid is going to buy a $10 cigar to hollow it out and put ganja in it. Of course this distinction wouldn't stop the health police from vilifying and attempting to regulate the premium cigar industry as well--what's the importance of the truth when "public health" is at stake?
And not to flog Mr. Sullum's books, but if you haven't read "For Your Own Good" you need to. It's an amazing refutation of the anti-smoking hysteria....
Sage, I smoke a pipe occasionally and cigars even more occasionally. I started after writing my book on the anti-smoking movement, largely because it was clear from my research that the health risks associated with occasional pipe and cigar smoking are negligible, especially when compared to those of a pack-a-day cigarette habit.
I enjoy the occasional Ashton or Griffin.
Also, I found that smoking a stogie at the end of the evening got rid of the cravings that I had for cigarettes during the day. I basically quite smoking cigs by smoking cigars instead and then tapered off on the cigar smoking. I don't think that it would work for everyone, but it worked for me.
I did a literature search on the relative risks of cigar smoking a few years ago, and getting accurate data was maddening, because there was so much political bias in the research. One favorite technique is mix in data from Europe, where cigar smokers tend to inhale, and to not control for frequency of use. Then you can make claims like, "Smoking one cigar is as dangerous as smoking ten cigarettes!".
Of the studies I could find that controlled for inhalation and frequency of use, the data showed that for people who smoke on average fewer than 5 cigars a week and who don't inhale, the relative risks are pretty low. Anti-smoking zealots will say that the risk of oral cancers is about the same as cigarette smoke, but it's important to remember that oral cancers make up only a small percentage of smoking-related deaths in the first place, and that a pack-a-day smoker is smoking 140 cigarettes a week.
One study normalized the relative risk of death with pack-a-day cigarette smoking being 100. On that scale, smoking 5 or fewer cigars a week, while not inhaling, had a relative risk below 5, which was just slightly above the background noise.
For those who smoke only occasionally (on special occasions, or maybe once a week when out with the boys, or whatever), the risk of dying from your cigar smoking is very low, perhaps not even statisticaly measurable.
Does anyone know the statistics (or know where to find the statistics) regarding the risk of cancer/sickness/general badness for light cigarette smokers? I smoke 3-4 cigarettes a day and would love to see some data on my demise.
I'm sure you'll get the light cance BLG.
Cigars...right...teens love smoking a nice cigar...
I hit they ass like the Buddha that's stinky
They wanna scruff but they just so rinky-dinky
I'm the freaka, the one who freaks the funk
Sen got the Phillie an' he's gonna light the blunt!
Hello??? Its a blunt, stupid. Kids don't smoke cigars, they cut 'em open, empty 'em out and fill 'em with weed. Just becuase they buy cigars doesn't mean they smoke them. What kind of logical fallacy is that anyhow (seriously, I noticed you guys all have names for those, but I never took philosophy class so I don't know them)?
Not all kids turn their cigars into marijuana-blunts, that's just ludicrous. Plenty of kids smoke cigars because let's face it, the only thing that looks cooler than smoking a cigarette is smoking a cigar.
That's like saying kids don't drink wine, they drink beer. Trust me, kids drink anything with ethanol in it, wine included.
Not many kids are getting wasted on Lafite Rothschild as they puff on OpusX or Trinidad Fundadores, but plenty drink cheap wine and smoke cheap ($4 or under) cigars. Plenty.
Kids don't smoke cigars, they cut 'em open, empty 'em out and fill 'em with weed.
Erm... isn't it cheaper to just buy rolling papers like everyone else? Or is that not "cool" enough?
Anyway I've often wondered about cigars... if you don't inhale - what's the point?
Rhywun
They have a nice sort of taste that you can really get used to, even though you do miss out on the nicotine kick you get when regularly smoking cigarettes. Also they give you something to do with your hands, look kind of cool, give you something to yack about at parties, etc.
Thanks, Mr. Sullum. I quit smoking over five years ago, but you will not find someone more dedicated to smokers' rights than I. I am ashamed to admit that I live in a state that has just passed the strictest smoking ban probably in the country (WA). We also voted in a super high smoke tax a couple of years ago, but I voted against it. Oh well, if pot becomes legal, or even socially acceptable, tobacco will likely become obsolete anyway.
Cigars also give you a slight buzz if you don't inhale. I don't know if it's because of the smoke in the mouth or slowing O2 intake or what, but it does for me. Then again, I smoke a cigar every couple of months or on special occasions, and I only chew tobacco when I go to war, so I am probably sensitive to the effects. (Every libertarian should chew, it makes you a sexual tyrannosaurus).
Personally, I smoke them because that's the only way to complete my outfit of top hat, monacle and bag with the dollar sign.
You do get a bit of a nicotine kick from a cigar, just from absorbing the nicotine through your oral mucosa. It's not something that a cigarette smoker, or tobacco chewer would probably notice it, but I can feel it pretty strongly.
Rhywun,
As stilton goes with with port and indonesian food with reisling, the gustatory pleasure of neat brown drinks can gain a marginal improvement with the earthy smoke of a cigar.
It's a shame people can't just be honest.
i'll be honest and say i find the smell of cigars to be vile. pipes smell great though - maybe i should quit smoking cigarettes and take up a pipe.
A few years ago Newsweek (or was it Time) ran the perfunctory anti-cigar article with a cover picture of the excruciatingly unappealing Jenny McCarthy mugging with a cigar (holding it by the end and making a P-U gesture). I remember thinking how revolting (McCarthy) and what a waste of a perfectly good stogie...
Erm... isn't it cheaper to just buy rolling papers like everyone else? Or is that not "cool" enough?
Depends. I used to smoke them occasionally in my youth and I will admit that it had more than a little to do the influence of gangsta rap on my suburban white kid circle. Looking back it was mostly a misguided attempt to look cool, but they do have some pluses.
If you and your buddies go in on a quarter then a blunt is an efficient and egalitarian way to share. Especially if your trying to get rid of it all so no one has to run the risk of his parents finding a baggie in the sock drawer.
They also burn slower so if you are smoking alone you can keep it all day, hit and put it out at your leisure. They also get more potent as you smoke them because of the build-up of resin.
I do think that blunts are a big reason why cigar sale are up among teens. (If you can even determine that.) Why the hell would anyone subject themselves to a Dutch Master, Swisher Sweet or Phillies Blunt otherwise? We would end up smoking the cigars we didn't blunt, but we rarely finished them. Unless they have bud in them they're nasty. We're not talking Macanudos here.
Sage
I also live in WA (seattle) and was ashamed that my fellow Washingtonians would pass such a draconian anti smoking law. And by a 2-1 margin, no less.
(sigh) I left Massachusetts for good reasons and do NOT want to see good Washington become "Mass West".
Coming soon to a drive-in near you:
Stogie Madness!
I got...fat sacks of skunk
I got...White Owl blunts
and I'm about to go get twisted
yeah, I'm about to go get twisted
I got ... myself a forty
I got ... myself a shorty
and I'm about to go and stick it
yeah, I'm about to go and stick it
A good cigar and a pint of Guinness are a part of my weekend health regemine.
it had more than a little to do the influence of gangsta rap on my suburban white kid circle
ah, that must be why i don't get it - that was a bit after my time. plus all the white kids in my inner city school were into heavy metal.
Yeah, but what about the dangers of smoking sheesha?
Also, blunts give you a bigger buzz, due to the nictoine in the tobacco that rubs off on them. I don't know if this can be proven, but I definently get the shakes.
Plus blunts pass better, and dont smoke as fast as rolling papers.
awesome.
Didn't you know that "lower risk of cancer" doesn't really mean "lower risk of cancer"? Well, at least, if you're John "Sue the Bastards" Banzhaf, it doesn't.
Anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows that that crooked rent-seeking fuckhead is just trying to find another class-action target like the cigarette companies---and who better than the cigar companies, right? His license plate doesn't say "SUEBAST" for no reason...
My first reaction was also, "erm, hello..blunts!" I just took a look at the letter and the study that prompted the letter, and none of the above consider blunt smoking in their calculations. That's the problem when public health types examine a population without bothering to consult in any way the population being studied. Jacob is right on a lot of accounts above, but this blunt problem may entirely undermine any and all of the findings of the original study.
And now, an immortal lesson from Redman:
How To Roll A Blunt
(Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww SHIT!!)
Check it out
Yo, 1992 begins the new wave for the blunt rollers
You know what I'm sayin'?
The saga of the philly blunt continues
The flava's the P-Funk y'all, get wit it
Check it out...
Check out a new type of gimmick which is splendid
Since you're down with other shit, let's see if you're down with this
It's about..strictly trying to roll a blunt
When you get the hang of it, you'll catch more blunts than Archie Bunk
First of all you get a fat bag of ism
From uptown, any local store sells the shit friend
Purchase a philly, not the city of Philly
Silly punk, I'm talking 'bout the shit called the Philly blunt
Lick the blunt and then the Philly blunt middle you split
Don't have a razor blade, use ya fuckin fingertips
Crack the bag and then you pour the whole bag in
Spread the ism around until the ism reach each end
Take your finger and your thumb from tip to tip
Roll it in a motion then the top piece you lick
Seal it, dry it wit ya lighter if ya gotta
The results, mmmmmmmm....proper
(chorus)
That's how you roll a blunt
That's how you roll a blunt
That's how you roll a blunt
That's how you roll a blunt
That's how you roll a blunt
That's how you roll a blunt
Let's all roll a blunt
..and get fucked up (yea)
(repeats again)
The second paragraph might makes you laugh
When a brotha rolls a blunt and his breath smells like gr-ass
That's when you know you gotta take the blunt from him
Cuz his breath has the dragon in the dungeon
(yo, yo, yo, light the blunt. uh yo, here's the lighter..)
I would if this shit would stop drippin' wit saliva
And if you gonna lick it, don't drown it with ya spit, shit
I dunno what dick or last puss you licked quick
And how 'bout the non-blunt rollin' females
That always fucks it up 'cuz they don't wanna break their Lee nails
(hee hee hee hee hee, sorry Red for spilling it..)
You better pickup every seed of it
Because I paid 10 bills for the get ill..
And for spilling it you better get lost or get grilled
Bo know everything from sports to other stuff
But I bet you Bo dunno know to roll a blunt.
(chorus)
(hey nigga pass the gotdamn blunt. shit! what you holding it all day for?
Sit yo big ass down...)
(bridge)
Yo, yo, check this out
I want all the real niggas out there and the females too
If you got a fat blunt in ya mouth and you feeling high as hell
I want y'all to repeat after me, check it out
I'm fucked up (I'm fucked up..)
I'm fucked up (I'm fucked up...)
I'm high as hell (I'm high as hell..)
I'm high as hell (I'm high as hell) Yea.
(Verse 3)
Last but not least, Redman would like to say peace
To all the blunt rollers from the Tri-State to the Middle East
And gimme a blunt when I kick the bucket
Devil or no devil when I am the wrong to be fucked with
So everybody put they blunt up in the air
Take a puff, blow the smoke out like ya just don't care
So..(pump up the volume) ..so it's heard thru the next block
I'm out, peace to Red Foxx, I'm off to the cess spot..
(outro)
(yea, DJ Twinz in the house)
Yea, Redman's in the house
Yo, peace to Pack Pistol Posse, the 4,5,6
Yo, I'm out, yo Reg
Turn this shit off man (yo turn that shit off..)
And church.
BLG asked:
"Does anyone know the statistics (or know where to find the statistics) regarding the risk of cancer/sickness/general badness for light cigarette smokers? I smoke 3-4 cigarettes a day and would love to see some data on my demise."
Yes, check out:
Bjartveit and Tverdal, 2005. Health consequences of smoking 1?4 cigarettes per day. Tobacco Control 14:315-320.
According to this study, men and women who smoke 1-4 per day have relative risk of all-cause mortality of 1.57 (95% CI=1.33 to 1.85) and 1.47 (95% CI=1.19 to 1.82), compared to never-smokers. Relative risk of lung cancer in men and women was reported as 2.79 (0.94 to 8.28) and 5.03 (1.81 to 13.98), while relative risk of ischaemic heart disease was 2.74 (2.07 to 3.61) and 2.94 (1.75 to 4.95).