Screw Intelligent Design. There Must Be a God.

How else to account for the latest positive health effects of beer? Huh? Huh? Thought so.

Not only that, but crap beer need not apply. Only good and godly hoppy microbrews possess the needed xanthohumol which, researchers say, has the effect of "inhibiting tumor growth and other enzymes that activate cancer cells, it also helps the body make unhealthy compounds more water-soluble, so they can be excreted."

See? Even the much maligned beer piss is good.

Best of all no one knows exactly how much xanthohumol one needs to reap its benefit. I, for one, do not plan on taking any chances.

Comments

[Ruthless]

You meant to say, "Screw Evolution."
How many you had in this experiment already?

[smacky]

Fix the headline. Fix it now! Quick! -- before other people notice.

Ok...now keep a straight face. Act casual.

[Brian Marks]

I drink beer. I don't have cancer. I.E. God Exists.

[Behemoth SUV driver]

So, for our listeners at home:

piss beer = not good
beer piss = good

[Rich Ard]

So, for our listeners at home:

piss beer = not good
beer piss = good

[Brian Marks]

Beer is good for you so fuck Intelligent Design because God Exists?

[Rich Ard]

Shit.

[Steven Crane]

I, for one, welcome our new inebriated overlords.

[MP]

Yet people will still willing choose to drink Bud Light. So sad...

[Ben Franklin]

Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.

[Frank Anderson]

Brian,

Hells yeah! Who needs some wimpy "scientific" philosophy for God's existance when this is all the proof you need! Therefore, if beer is good for us, and this is proof for God's existence, then I propose that Heavern is Oktoberfest!
And guess who brought us "Heaven-on Earth," why my good Catholic Bavarian ancestors, that's who!
I think we can sweep that littlem problem of how the Nazi movement was birthed in Bavaria, I mean even Satan wondered in the Garden of Eden, am I right?
Hey, who's up for some Warsteiner?

Edelwei?, Edelwei?,
Du gr??t mich jeden Morgen...

[Kip]

This is exactly what we should be teaching our children in science class instead of evolution; that beer is good for them.

[Frank Anderson]

Well, I'm not exactly Bavarian, more Alsace-Lorrainian, but I stand firm in the proud tradition of Catholic German Heritage!

Bier Uber Alles!

[urexcellency]

fuck madd too

[AC]

I'm glad to know my love for imperial stouts has yet another justification.

[urexcellency]

all hail storm king

[Hophead]

So if the revelation that hoppy microbrews prevent cancer is evidence of God, then does the lack of benefit from macrolagers mean that August Busch is the devil? I've always thought that, I'm just looking for a reason to believe it.

Now I'll have another Stone IPA, for my health of course.

[Ezra Brooks]

I'm still waiting on good health news for 90 proof Kentucky sour-mash before I'll believe. Or maybe just the taste is sufficient evidence.

[Timothy]

fuck madd too

Or don't, because you certinaly wouldn't want to knock them up again.

Hophead: I prefer Stone's Arrogant Bastard to their IPA.

Now, if I could only get more hoppy Oregon beer here easily....

[Timothy]

And, yes, I know that Stone is in California, but all I can find here is a limited variety of Bridgeport and Full Sail, with the odd Rogue.

[Bud Drinkin' Lowlife]

fucking beer snobs

[Timothy]

Not my fault you're an uneducated heathen. Conversion at sword-point for you!

[NoStar]

Headline should have read: Don't Worry, Be Hoppy!

[Sandy]

I didn't realize until now that the proper answer for "What Hath God Wrought?" is in fact, "A pleasantly hoppy ale, light on the tongue, with a roasted coffee finish."

And until now I didn't realize that the Intelligent Designer everybody was talking about was the Brewmeister at Yuengling. God works 9-5 and lives just outside of Pottsville.

[MP]

You haven't had hoppy beer until you've tried Randal the Enamel Animal. That was a weekend in Delaware that I'll never remember.

[emme]

I think I'm going to go home after work and drink a six-pack. Then I'm going to throw away all my vitamins and vegetables.

[Rick Barton]

Dark beer, in moderation, is even better for you.

From: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/12/001218073252.htm

Researchers in Canada and the United States presented results of animal studies showing that beer, especially the darker ales and stouts, may reduce the incidence of atherosclerosis and cataracts by as much as 50 percent. Darker beers have more antioxidants than the lighter lager beers...

Live long and prosper, my fellow Reasonoids.

[Brian Courts]

So, let me get this straight - my two favorite indulgences, red wine and microbrews, are not only good for me, but they help protect against the two biggest killers, heart disease and cancer, respectively?? Amazing! I think I just may have to re-evaluate my atheism after all. The only problem now is going to be deciding which way to go tonight, wine or beer? Well, as Jeff A. Taylor says, I don't want to take any chances; better have both.

[E. Steven]

I'm confused. I've always associated hop heavy beers with bitter tasting ales, which I've never particularly liked, but the article lists stout, which I will quaff till the day I die, as being hoppy. Am I thinking of another ingredient?

[kwais]

I am going to remain skeptical untill you can show me that 'White Russians' and 'Jack and Cokes' are also healthy for you. Not a big fan of the ale.

Other acceptable proof that God exists would be if there were to be more people struck by lightning. Maybe the people who drive too slow in the fast lane, or beer dinking snobs could be targeted right away.

[Brian Courts]

Oh, and Dark beer, in moderation, is even better for you. !?!

Hallelujah!

[R C Dean]

the article lists stout, which I will quaff till the day I die, as being hoppy. Am I thinking of another ingredient?

You can't be. There are only three ingredients in real beer: (1) water (2) barley (3) hops.

Many stouts have surprisingly little in the way of hops (relative to your bitters and your IPAs, anyway), and get a lot of their flavor from heavily roasting their barley. Some of your imperial stouts have some hops, but the other flavors are so strong they sort of swamp the hop flavors.

[emme]

Here you go Kwais.

http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/InTheNews/MedicalReports/Heart/1095259103.html

[Troy]

So the darker ales are better for you? Well, I'm a Corona fan (followed by Tecate, Pacifico, and Michelsbrau [made in Babenhausen Germany]). Guess I will just have to drink twice as much. well.... er... I am OK with that.

[Number 6]

This is old news-the wonderful folks at Guiness have been telling us for years that their ambrosial nectar is good for us.
Never mind the cross, I'm worshipping the harp.

[SPD]

MP,

Found the opening paragraph of your linked article quite informative:

Hops, one of the main taste-altering ingredients in beer, is actually a cousin of cannabis, the plant whose buds are more commonly known as marijuana.

Too quote a very important Jamaican, "Hooray beer!"

[Sandy]

R C Dean--

I'm a fan of bitters and stouts, but not hoppy-tasting ales. Is there some method difference in the preparation that makes the one taste not so crappy as your newly minted microbrew's first ale? (for example Sierra Pale Ale, which I can't stand)

[Jeff P.]

This means that if I down 8 Rogue Dead Guys, then get into a car accident without wearing a seatbelt, I have a better shot of surviving, right?

[Jeff P.]

Also, when you're in a package store and you see a normal looking mature man (not a kid) buy a six- or twelve- or (shudder) 36-pack of Bud, dontcha just wanna slap'em?

[Brian Courts]

Hops, one of the main taste-altering ingredients in beer, is actually a cousin of cannabis, the plant whose buds are more commonly known as marijuana.

Yep, if you've ever made beer you'd notice the similarities between hops and cannabis buds.

As for stouts, they may have a less hoppy flavor than an IPA or some such but they still have quite a bit of hops. It's just that the hops are used to counter the sweetness from the malts used in stouts and porters so they generally aren't as noticeable.

[Steven Crane]

This news must be particularly soothing to Warren. All those drinks reading H&R induces are at least keeping him healthy.

[joe]

Okay, what's the diff between an "imperial stout" and a plain old stout? Which one are Guiness? Murphy's? Sam Adam's Cream Stout?

JeffP, give me two definitions of "packie."

[Brian Courts]

Also, when you're in a package store and you see a normal looking mature man (not a kid) buy a six- or twelve- or (shudder) 36-pack of Bud, dontcha just wanna slap'em?

Yep, I like how the stores segregate all the big 36 can packs in one part of the aisle and the micros and imports in another. I always feel a little beer-snobbish whenever I see someone heading down to the cheap beer section that isn't a frat boy. As a rule it is a good idea to eschew any beer that comes in a can. Of course one notable exception is Guinness, but theirs is hardly your ordinary beer can.

[Brian Courts]

Okay, what's the diff between an "imperial stout" and a plain old stout? Which one are Guiness? Murphy's? Sam Adam's Cream Stout?

Guinness is a dry stout. Irish stouts are typically dry stouts. Imperial stout is particularly strong with somewhat higher alcohol by volume and was a British creation (hence the name imperial). There are other variations on these themes, including sweet stouts, oatmeal stouts.

[Kip]

What about wheat beers? I'm a big hef fan myself.
oh, and there's room for argument as to whether hops (humulus) is actually part of the cannibacea family. a lot of botonists put it in the nettle family.

[Jeff P.]

As a perp on Cops once said: "I tried goin' to AA, but all they ever did was talk about booze!"

[Captain Awesome]

Now I'll have another Stone IPA, for my health of course.

Rejoice, the season of Double Bastard is upon us!

[JAT]

Tupper's Hop Pocket = sainted.

[AC]

Imperial ales were a British creation to please the Russian Tsars, who apparently loved heavy, dark beers. Hence the term imperial.

[Wild Pegasus]

Great Lakes Burning River - for all your hoppy needs.

- Josh

[Evan]

Here at our store, we have several bottles of the "holy grail" for hopheads - the Dogfish Head 120 minute IPA. That's 2 hours of hop boil, plus a month-long dry hop after that. It's got so much hops, it loses almost all carbonation.

In other words, if hops are good for ya, this shit must be the beer fountain of youth. I think I'll snag a few btls. Too bad it's $8 for 12oz.

[Guinness Brewmaster]

This is old news-the wonderful folks at Guiness have been telling us for years that their ambrosial nectar is good for us.
Never mind the cross, I'm worshipping the harp.

So that'll be a half and half. Brilliant!

[joe]

So are there any imperial stouts that I would have heard of?

[JAT]

To put your Guinness to good use you need to dump a jigger of white rum in the glass before you pour. Two jiggers, all the better.

[Butch]

All Hail the Golden Monkey! More alcohol and less cancer to boot!

[joe]

Isn't that the same thing as a Black and Tan?

[MP]

So are there any imperial stouts that I would have heard of?

I don't see many stateside. There is a Samuel Smith's, but it is very hard to find. Of course, if you are drinking Samuel Smith's, you should be drinking the Oatmeal Stout.

[Brian Courts]

So are there any imperial stouts that I would have heard of?

Several brewpubs have them, but they don't seem to be as common as the other types of stouts and there aren't many big name ones that I'm aware of. A reasonably well known (as imports go) one and one that's available in quite a few stores with good beer selections, is Samuel Smith's Imperial Stout.

[Brian Courts]

Looks like MP beat me to it, sorry. But I've seen in in more than one store around here so I didn't realize it was all that hard to find.

[joe]

I just went downstairs, and followed the "Half and Half" recipe using Guinness and Sam Adams Boston Ale. I did the spoon trick, and it worked (while making a big mess on the counter).

I'm calling it the "Black-n-Tannah."

[VM]

Josh!

likin' the beersch from cleveland. two snaps to you!

but at upenn, you have some good local filthadelphia broos, too.

still, the grandfather of microbrews in america reigns. ANCHOR STEAM!!!!! oh yeah! their christmas beer is tasty.

cheers,
VM

[smacky]

Great Lakes Burning River - for all your hoppy needs.

Yeah, Cleveland represent! w00t

[Kevin Carson]

MP,
If you think that's a shame, how about somebody who goes to a BREW PUB and orders Bud Lite?!! I can understand somebody that just doesn't like beer, period, and goes for the food. But ordering mass market light beer at a microbrewery? That's an insult.

BTW, another benefit of micro brews is they're unpasteurized, so you're getting all that live brewer's yeast.

[Kris]

There are only three ingredients in real beer: (1) water (2) barley (3) hops

Your forgetting the equally vital (4) yeast.
Beer just ain't the same without it (trust me).

Also, isn't yeast pretty rich in vitamins, particularly B vitamins? Yet another health benefit, especially if you drink unfiltered, bottle conditioned ales. Yum!

[--dave]

> There are only three ingredients in real beer: (1) water (2) barley (3) hops.

Yeah, what Kris said. No yeast, no beast.

Are there different kinds of yeast for different kinds of beer? There are for wines. Pretty sure that ale requires different yeast from lager, say.

We make hard cider with champagne yeast, because it doesn't have much flavor and resists (and keeps making) alcohol up to 16 percent before dying off. That's why it's so hard to get up out of our chairs after a couple of glasses of it.

Some kind of beech or other wood flavor might be argued to be an essential inclusion in a proper beer. Anheuser Busch lowers a big basket of beech cordwood into the budweiser vats.

A couple of years ago some research found similar beneficial chemicals to those in red wine, maybe polyphenols, or resveratrol, in dark and especially reddish beers.

Both wine and beer can vastly improve the appearance of members of the opposite sex, and create the illusion that one's own appearance is better than it actually is to that opposite sex. Even with infrequent use...

[Kris]

--dave,

There are dozens, if not hundreds of strains of brewers yeast commercialy produced. Wyeast Laboratories is one of the major producers. The type of yeast used can have a very distinct effect on the flavor and character of beer. The two primary flavor compounds are phenolics and esters. Esters give a kind of light fruity flavor to ales and in my opinion are always a positive attribute in any ale. Phenolics can be quite good in certain types of beer. Bavarian style wheat beer is a good example, it has a destinctly minty kind of flavor which comes from the phenolics. If your using a phenolic producing yeast and it ferments in to warm an environment the beer will taste like an electrical fire. Champagne yeast is the most achohol tolerant yaest I'm aware of, but it is very neutral. You try making your cider with maybe a scottish ale yeast which survives up to around 14.5% and see how it tastes. Might be relly good, but maybe not. Only one way to find out.

[Kris]

Some kind of beech or other wood flavor might be argued to be an essential inclusion in a proper beer.

Oak + IPA = YUM!

[Jim Walsh]

Gennesse Cream Ale, anyone?

[--dave]

Kris, you wrote:

> If your using a phenolic producing yeast and it ferments in to warm an environment the beer will taste like an electrical fire.

That's still better than homemade hard ciders I've been coerced to try that were made without adding yeast, so random funky-tasting wild yeasts did the job, usually resulting in a musty, moldy, oily flavor. Apples and especially the pears we use are mild in flavor so I doubt an ale yeast would benefit that flavor base, but it's intriguing to know of another yeast that can survive high alcohol levels.

> Oak + IPA = YUM!

IPA is some kind of Imperial Porter? Irish Pale Ale? (Thanks to diabetes I had to give up quaffing suds and become a wino--yet another cross to bear, but a challenge met with the ol' guzzlin' gusto.)

But it's hops that are at work here, separately from the considerable chemistry of brewer's yeasts. I've read that hops and cannabis are closely enough related that they can be grafted onto one another, and if a hops vine is grafted onto a cannabis rootstock, well, a beer with additional effects might result. Maybe we winos can get the same xanthohumol benefit from cannabis. I volunteer hereby for that research. Hell, I'm already doing it!

Big question in this discussion though is the name of the author of the article about xanthohumol that started all this. Coincidence? Or......metaphysics??? You decide:
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=1282177

In vino veritas,

--dave

[TheDumbFish]

Half n' Half = Black n' Tan.

At the Boston Beanery here they call it a Black n' Sam if you use Sam Adams on the bottom.

I love those things.

[Isaac Bartram]

IPA is some kind of Imperial Porter?

IPA stands for "India Pale Ale". It's supposedly the drink to go with Indian Curries, although any good beer is usually fine.

Guinness sell a kit to make Black and Tans. It has 6 cans of Guinness and 6 bottles of Bass Ale (not Harp lager interestingly enough). They also include a plastic spoon to hang over the edge of the glass while you pour the stout. I use a soupspoon I bent so that I can hold it insidr the mouth of the glass; it makes less of a mess.

Any good ale or lager can be used for the bottom. Warning if you try bud or other piss beers the stout instantly dissolves and you lose the layered effect.

If you want a really rich taste go for Young's Chocolate Stout. I'm not a big chocolate fan and I'm not a fan of flavored beers (those belgian fruit flavored things really turn me off) but somehow chocolate stout hits the spot now and then.

Unfortunately I too have to watch my intake due to blood sugar problems and I want to avoid diabetes. Growing old sucks bad enough, being sick just makes it worse.

[poco]

Mm, cider (and perry).

Trader Joe's carries Samuel Smith, at least here in CA. And Black and Tan is an Americanism, not to be found in real British or Irish pubs (I suspect b/c of the controversial name, though I've never heard of a "half and half" being ordered in the ould sod either). So don't try ordering one there.

But did the microbrewery actually have Bud Light on the menu? 'Cause that would be pandering.

[David]

IPA is some kind of Imperial Porter? Irish Pale Ale?

It's India Pale Ale, stronger because it need more alcohol to survive to trip from Great Britain to India.

[Isaac Bartram]

And Black and Tan is an Americanism,...

Like pizza and chop suey, eh?

But did the microbrewery actually have Bud Light on the menu?

One of my favorite spots used to be an "English" pub in Orlando. I hate themed pubs but love the beer selection. I was always sorta disgusted when someone ordered a Bud or Miller lite or whatever. I have nothing against either one and will take one if offered, but I just can't believe that anyone actually prefers that crap.

[Crushinator]

The Samuel Smith's flavor that goes best with a bowlful of interstate commerce is their Nut Brown Ale. Millions of Deadheads can't be wrong.

I plan on drinking massive quantities of dark beer to find out if it can make me as strong as carpet-humping man.

[Timothy]

There's a place near me in SA that has over 300 beers on tap, more in bottles. They even have Chimay on tap, and Dead Guy...which is like wandering into heaven. Took my sister there for her 21er, discovered that her friends could only stand German heffeweizens. Now, I love a good heff as much as the next man, but how can you not like Dead Guy? My next project is sampling their entire selection of IPAs.

[ChrisO]

I love imperial stouts, also, but they are very hard to find. In the Washington DC area, there was a local microbrewery that made one called the Graceland imperial stout, but I don't even know if they are still in operation, since they sold almost all of their beer at a place called Bardo's, which mostly closed down (the smaller version that remains at the site doesn't sell its own house brew).

You pretty much have to go to a larger store that specializes in exotic beers to find an imperial stout.

On the theme of dark, malty beers, I also love Doppelbock lagers. It's twice fermented, and packs a real punch. The one I like best is Spaten Optimator.

[joe]

ChrisO,

I'm sure you could find some at the Brickskeller.

Sam Adams makes a triple bock. Totally undrinkable - like a combination of soy sauce and red wine - but excellent for cooking.

[MP]

Sam Adams makes a triple bock.

I heartily object. But when drinking the triple bock, one should be expecting something closer to a Cognac than a beer.

I was at a bar once in Atlanta that had a special section dedicated to Belgian beers. 8 or 10 on tap, plus a huge selection in bottles. Awesome...

[JD]

How'd I miss out on this discussion for so long? This inspires me to put more hops in the smoked bitter I'm planning to make. Hooray for Cascade!

[Larry Anderson]

For the record, Half and Half does NOT equal Black and Tan..

Half and Half = 1/2 Guinness, 1/2 Harp

Black and Tan = 1/2 Guinness, 1/2 Bass Ale

Point of etiquete-> DO NOT order a Black and Tan in an Irish pub. Apparently, them's fightin' words..

[Isaac Bartram]

For the record, Half and Half does NOT equal Black and Tan..

Thank you, Larry, for the correct information.

Now I have to come up with a name for my concoction -

1/2 Young's Chocolate Stout, 1/2 Warsteiner -

It's yummy.

[Isaac Bartram]

I've used other ales and lagers on the bottom.

I've also used other stouts but they don't float as well as Guinness or Young's.

[TheDumbFish]

For the record, Half and Half does NOT equal Black and Tan..

I stand corrected.

So if I want to have a drink that's Guinness on top and something else on the botton, what generic name do I use?

DO NOT order a Black and Tan in an Irish pub. Apparently, them's fightin' words..

Why is them fightin words?

[zach]

Someone let me know when they finally realize that bourbon is the secret to long life.

And whoever came up with the idea about Heaven being perpetual Oktoberfest... you have just come up with the most compelling argument ever to renounce atheism. But what are Jews supposed to do? There would be too much heavenly pork for them to properly enjoy it.

[ChrisO]

Joe:

I'm sure you could find some at the Brickskeller.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that place--a fixture of my law school years, although a bit pricey. I was thinking more of a beer for home consumption, but you're absolutely right about the Brickskeller--if you can't find it there, it pretty much doesn't exist.

Sam Adams makes a triple bock. Totally undrinkable - like a combination of soy sauce and red wine - but excellent for cooking.

I've never been much of a fan of triples, either. When you triple ferment a beer, you pretty take all of the real beer taste out of it, and you're basically left with an indistinct, but potent appertif. I've had the Sam Adams one (though I haven't seen it in a few years), but the triple I used to have more often was Triple Grimbergen, but even that tasted more like fortified wine than a good beer. Now Double Grimbergen, that's something else...

[tomWright]

Ommegang

Brewed in Cooperstown, NY.

That or a nice Dopplebock.

Spaten Optimator is easy to find, and dosn't suck, if I can not find something local.

Rouge and Allagash make some nice stuff. I have a bottle of Triple Reserve in the fridge right now, but not for long.

[tomWright]

Wait. I drank the Triple, it's 'Four' that I have in the fridge. Havn't tried that yet, it's new.

[tomWright]

Now this would make a nice tour:

Beer Advocate 100 best beers

[swill]

Between this news...and the news that masturbation may help prevent prostate cancer I'm in heaven. I know it's only just past noon but I'm seriously considering going home, getting myself drunk and taking advantage of myself all in the name of good health.

Never knew that 'Sleeper' was a documentary...

[zach]

Nice, Victory HopDevil made it on the list at #41. But where's Dock Street? Or maybe it's disqualified since they don't make it anymore...

(P.S. I am obviously partial to beers made in or around Philadelphia.)

[Wild Pegasus]

Backing up VM, Philly has the fine Yuengling regional brewery. Solid beer at reasonable prices. Yuengling Lager is a staple.

I'm not sure how regional it is or not, but I've had something called Victory which was my first introduction to comically-hoppy beers, and it was awesome.

If you're going for really incredibly obscure Philly regional breweries, here's the scoop. Drive from Philly to Delaware on I-95, take the Route 40 South exit. Right at the base of the ramp is a large shopping mall. Stewart's brewery is in the shopping center; order a Blue Rocks Pilsner.

Simple beer perfection. (You could also attend a single-A Wilmington Blue Rocks game and purchase one, but it's even fresher and better at the brewery.)

- Josh, suddenly thirsty

[JD]

As for "why is Black and Tan fighting words":

The town of Balbriggan they've burned to the ground

While bullets like hailstones were whizzing around;

And women left homeless by this evil clan.

They've waged war on the children, the bold Black and Tan.

From Dublin to Cork and from Thurles to Mayo
Lies a trail of destruction wherever they go;
With England to help and fierce passions to fan,
She must feel bloody proud of her bold Black and Tan.

The "Black and Tans" were a paramilitary group the British government sent to Ireland after WWI, who were involved in a number of atrocities. Whether ordering the drink is really offensive or not, I have no idea.

[zach]

Yup Pegasus, Victory is made in Downingtown.

Any city where you go to a bar and ask for a "Lager", and they give you something besides a Yuengling, is no city where I want to be.

Although I was once playing at the Pontiac Grille, and received a Budweiser when I asked for a lager. That particular bartender must have been from out of town, but they still deserve to lose their liquor license.

[zach]

The "Black and Tans" were a paramilitary group the British government sent to Ireland after WWI, who were involved in a number of atrocities. Whether ordering the drink is really offensive or not, I have no idea.

I would think it more likely that the paramilitary group gave the drink its name.

[smacky]

Yuengling

Am I the only person here who has trouble pronouncing this label before I start drinking it?

I believe a few DC Reasonoids witnessed my embarassing inability to order this brand.

[zach]

Another local gem is Lionshead "Deluxe" Pilsner. Not "deluxe" by any stretch of the imagination, but certainly no worse than Miller Lite or Rolling Rock, at a mere ten dollars per case of bottles. I affectionately refer to it as "the working man's beer", although in practice it's more often the poor college student's beer.

I intend to partake in a bit of it in honor of the Flyers tonight. Cheers!

[Wild Pegasus]

Yuengling is pronounced "LAH-g'r".
But seriously, "YING-ling".

- Josh

[TheDumbFish]

JD, that's interesting.

After I was informed that Black n' Tan != Half n' Half, I went out to educate myself before I embarrassed myself further.

I was suprised to find an actual FAQ on the subject. It doesn't talk about the Black and Tan paramilitary dudes, but it brought to my attention a ton of naming conventions, rules, subtleties, best practices, and geographical issues to consider. Way too complex.

I like YingLing too. I'll drink that from now on to avoid any trouble.

[Isaac Bartram]

I see noone's mentioned Calgary Redeye. Beer and Tomato juice.