It Started With Ayn Rand and a Puff of Pot

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Saturday's New York Times had a profile of Canadian marijuana activist Marc Emery, who was arrested late last month and is awaiting extradition to the U.S. (a process the Times says "could take years") on charges related to his cannabis seed business:

Mr. Emery describes himself as "a responsible libertarian, not a hedonist," who extols the virtues of capitalism, low taxes, small government and the right of citizens to bear arms.

He said he grew up a social democrat, influenced by his father, who was active in trade union work. But he said his life changed in 1979 when he began reading the works of Ayn Rand, who championed individual freedom and capitalism.

"The right to be free, the right to own the fruits of your mind and effort now all made sense," he recalled. Only a few months after discovering Rand, his girlfriend at the time offered him a joint and he smoked marijuana for the first time.

"It was an epiphany," he said. "I had a sixth sense added to my five senses. The silence sounded different, smells were more nuanced and the brightness of the moon made it look bigger and more substantial in the sky."

The combination of Rand's philosophy and the marijuana set him on a course of advocacy in which, he said, "I decided to dedicate my whole life to repudiate the state."

Among other things, this involved selling books and magazines banned in Canada and resisting Sunday closing laws. I suspect Rand would not have approved of the pot, tobacco being her smokable weed of choice, but Emery probably would be more fun to hang out with than John Galt.

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  1. It is too bad that he was busted, however, I am actually surprised that this didnt happen earlier.

  2. Marc Emery is my hero.

    I’ll be watching this story closely, but I don’t think he has any aces up his sleeve. He?s now begging for money for lawyers. The US really wants him, so Canada will cough him up. Once he?s here, he?ll be tried, convicted, thrown into a dark hole, and forgotten.

    Financing his political agenda by selling pot seeds was fucking brilliant. He seems to have a deeper appreciation of libertarian philosophy than most. But apparently he?s already spent all the money he made, and the government made him shut down his seed business. No cash, no power and I just don?t see passing the hat raising the kind of funds he?s going to need. There?s a chance the IJ will take up his case, but if they do I think they?ll loose this one too.

  3. What’s (in a very minor way) surprising to me is that the repubs who are touting this guy’s extradition are all upset that he made money selling marijuana seeds. That bastard made money! On our chirrun!

    I also wonder if this case will get any sort of publicity that will make people think “gee whiz, life in prison for selling supplies for people to grow plants? Something’s up here…”

  4. To clarify, the exact quotes were along the lines of “This man was no activist. He made money selling dope, almost four million dollars.”

  5. “I decided to dedicate my whole life to repudiate the state.”

    This man is a hero.

  6. As someone who was at one point a heavy pot smoker, I really have to wonder why the most vocal of the legalization advocates are the ones who drone on and on about mental epiphanies and happy new senses and other such hippie tripe.
    Organized legalization advocates should be comdemning this guy for being an abuser.

  7. Jeff – on what basis is he an “abuser”? Because he mentioned he had an epiphany? And how is that “droning on and on”? He built a multi-million dollar company from the ground up through hard work and providing damn good seeds at damn good prices. He made the finest genetics available to those without access.

    Why the fuck is it anyone’s business how much pot he smokes, and why should anyone condemn him? We should put him on the pedestal of outstanding businessmen who “fry their brains” and still do better than the leeches in government who try to bring them down. How much value has the DEA created, and how much value has Marc Emery created, and how has the DEA “created” “value” and how has Emery created value? The DEA has lied, robbed, destroyed, and murdered. Emery served his customers through amicable exchanges.

    On another note, I happened to finish reading The Fountainhead for the first time yesterday, and the ending of that book (the trial of Howard Roark, another successful businessman who would not submit to the masses seeking to tear him apart) strikes me as worth a re-reading for Marc Emery as he goes on with his legal endeavors.

    Mind your own goddamn business.

  8. So he made some money off the kids. How many junk food and fast food corporations have done the same thing? Not to mention the entertainment industry.

  9. As someone who was at one point a heavy pot smoker, I really have to wonder why the most vocal of the legalization advocates are the ones who drone on and on about mental epiphanies and happy new senses and other such hippie tripe.

    For the same reason many gun rights advocates talk about using the 2nd amendment and guns to overthrow a tyrannical government.

    *shrugs shoulders*

  10. Jeff,
    The hell? Gee I’m sorry your heavy pot smoking didn’t produce the mental epiphanies and happy new senses you were hoping for. I credit my moderate pot smoking many epiphanies. At any rate, Marc has obviously been leading an active and productive life up to this point. In what meaningful sense is he an “abuser”?

  11. So he made some money off the kids.

    Who said anything about kids? How many growers are minors, anyway.

    My guess is a pretty small fraction of what he sold went to people under 18. Growing pot takes a lot of privacy, way way more than kids have.

  12. Oh, I applaud his business-building and hard work. And I agree that his drug intake is his own choice. But legalization advocates are never going to gain footing on any front when thier most visible mouthpieces choose to talk about how pretty the moon is.
    I smoked a lot of pot in my day. A LOT. I know that the into to Shine On You Crazy Diamond sounds really cool and that Eraserhead makes some form of sense when your high. But if the first words out of your mouth about pot-smoking is that you had a epiphany and now possess six senses, your probably smoking too much.
    Sorry, but legalization, as well as other libertarian principles, ARE my business, and as long as this is the kind of thing that keeps making the news, we don’t stand a chance.

  13. Well, the good news is that if he goes to prison there’s no way he’ll have access to drugs and so he’ll stop talking about six senses!

    I mean, they do a good job of keeping things under control in those places. Right?

  14. “Who said anything about kids?”

    Go back up to the top and read the New York Times profile link. There’s a quote in there.

  15. …and ended with a four and a half hour monologue on WHY I DON’T HAVE TO LEAVE ANY TOSTITOS FOR ANYONE ELSE.

  16. Rodney Benson, special agent in charge of the DEA field division in Seattle.

  17. I’ve long said that I would be willing to buy weed for teenagers, provided that they first spend an evening observing and hanging out with a group of folk getting really, really high.

  18. Jeff,
    Yeah, I?m gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you on that. Most of the folks I hear advocating for legalization don?t say enough about the benefits of responsible use. I think that as long as the debate is about whether the War On Drugs is effective, or whether people should be allowed to be stupid in a free society, we don?t stand a chance. More people need to be more vocal in insisting that responsible drug use can improve the quality of ones life. I think we?d be a better society if I was allowed to smoke pot, but you also need to understand that I am a better man because I do.

  19. Jeff:

    You are probably aware of an excellent essay written by Carl Sagan (I’m too lazy to research a link). He uses beautiful language to describe the experience, and pretty damned close to the mark, in my opinion.

    I don’t think it’s “hippi-speak”. There are so many popular misconceptions and outright lies about the subject, that anything mildly positive can only serve to counteract it.

    I personally attest to the spirtual and philosophical benefits. One of them is the openess to different ways of thought, even revolutionary. I think that is what the powers to be are afraid of.

  20. But apparently he’s already spent all the money he made, and the government made him shut down his seed business. No cash, no power and I just don’t see passing the hat raising the kind of funds he’s going to need.

    Just to set the record straight, Marc lives a real modest lifestyle considering the money he has made. Most of that money has went to legalization efforts, political campaigning, and other peoples defense funds. He is a little flamboyant and has an edge of arrogance, but I really feel its a show of defiance against the state. I have had a brief encounter with Marc once and was struck with how humble and sincere this guy really is.

    Marc is getting defense donations as we speak, but one can never have enough money when taking on the US government. When a guy of this caliber goes to battle, we will see the gusto of the pot movement by the level of money that is raised. I will be seeing Angel Raich on Friday, I am looking forward to asking her how she has managed financially through her endeavors.

  21. As the MDC song goes “Slow, Stupid and Hungry!”

    The part of what Jeff said, if I am understanding him correctly, that I would agree with is that legalization advocates don’t do themselves any favors when they go into their “I’m expanding my mind” shtick. I used to love smoking weed when I was in high school. I would say that I had a few epiphanies at the time, but there is no saying how many much more useful epiphanies I would have had had I decided not to smoke dope. Perhaps they would have been something along the lines of “Maybe I should do some homework” or “Wouldn’t it be great if I passed the ninth grade?”.

    I’m all for legalization, but let’s not kid ourselves ok. Pot has a medical purpose for a select few. For most of us, it’s a fun and fairly innocuous way to kill some brain cells, nothing more.

  22. Warren: I don’t consider talking about epiphanies and a pretty moon to be an endorsement of the “benefits of responsible use.”

    Nice Guy: Yes, I’m familiar with the Sagan piece. Very nice work. Unfortunately I never see it quoted in any legalization literature.

    If a person drinks to relax, or to help them sleep, fine. If they drink to “get through the day,” or otherwise bury and repress unhappy parts of themselves, they have a problem.
    I hold the same standard to pot-smoking. If you like taking the edge off and experiencing an altered state of consciousness, fine. I’m happy for you. Go nuts. If, in conversation, you hop past that and go straight to the hippie-speak, you need to step back.
    As I said, I stopped smoking it a while ago. Six years, I think, my memory of that time is kind of hazy.

  23. I agree with mk and Jeff. The odds of winning the legalization battle on personal freedom grounds or statements such as “Drugs Can be Good For You” are slim to none. Emphasis on how the War on Drugs constantly undermines the foundations of a civil, free, society is much more powerful.

  24. The part of what Jeff said, if I am understanding him correctly, that I would agree with is that legalization advocates don’t do themselves any favors when they go into their “I’m expanding my mind” shtick.

    I tend to think its a natural (if not knee-jerk) response to the reefer madness propaganda. When you are told by the gov this shit will make you crazy and kill your whole family, one wants to make it clear it does exactly the opposite. I typically go with the other canned response, “I have a good career, pay my bills, take care of my family, and vote. So what’s the problem?”

  25. I don’t consider talking about epiphanies and a pretty moon to be an endorsement of the “benefits of responsible use.”

    You don’t? Why not?

  26. He does cater to his audience. When he was interviewed by the Wall Street Journal, several year’s back, he spun his pro-capitalist libertarian prose. When he ran for office, he toned that down quite a bit and let loose some of his more leftist remarks.

    FWIW, if I recall, he didn’t sell seeds to minors in his store nor in his subsequent restaurant. You had to be at least 18 with ID. That couldn’t be guaranteed with the mail order business, but it was in the local stores.

  27. Think of the…., Oh Wow! Reese’s Peanut Butter Cups.
    MMMM!
    What where we talking about?

    Dude, I just had an epiphany: Chocolate and peanut butter ROCK!!!

  28. I propose a PSA called “imagine a world without pot.”
    In it we see anything that’s a direct result of pot use vanish. Record stores disappear. Movie theaters and video-rental chains fade away. every computer running Windows melts. Las Vegas sinks. Hollywood sinks. Disneyland sinks. Clinton becomes an Arkansas ambulance chaser. Planetariums, comedy clubs, and miniature golf never existed…

  29. An idea: rather than commenting to each other, let’s write some articulate letters to the NY Times on this travesty: letters@nytimes.com (200 words or less is their norm).

  30. My brother married a woman who had real bad PMS. He credits pot with saving his marriage.

    Now that’s something the men of this country could get behind.

  31. Warren: The same reason I don’t consider a drinker telling me that scotch makes the awful memories of childhood go away an endorsement of responsible use.
    A pot-smoker who invokes mystical adjectives to a chemical compound that tweaks your perceptions, makes you giggle, and cranks up your appetite isn’t doing us any favors. In fact, they’re doing harm to the cause.
    Wanna talk benefits? Be honest.
    Pot: It’s fun. It makes bad movies and junk food enjoyable.

  32. This guy BROKE THE LAW, period, end of discussion. He deserves to spend the rest of his life in prison. He knew the penalties for his evil behavior and chose to ignore them.

    How much value has the DEA created?

    Great deal of value, they are the ones fighting the evil drugs since they were invented.

  33. Jeff is correct. Talking about epiphanies and “consciouness expansion” doesn’t do anything to help the legalization movement. Those who don’t use will just dismiss you as another patchouli-stink hippy douchebag.

    For the legalization movement to move forward, legalization must be put into terms that bring home the loss of freedom to those who have never touched the stuff, and have no desire to touch the stuff.

    Point out that the drug war has reduced everyone’s 4th amendment rights, not just those of recreational drug users. Point out that we have a higher level of taxation to foot the bill of incarceration and interdiction.
    Point out that the drug war still hasn’t stopped any high school sophomore from scoring a bag.
    Point out that the drug war is used as justification for asset forfeiture and (to those who are NRA members) gun control.

    Nobody gives a fuck that you think smoking pot gives you insight into anything deeper than a half-eaten jar of salsa.

    People won’t sit up and take notice until they realize that the war on drugs affects more than just drug users. Until it becomes a matter of their pet personal freedoms, non-users will remain apathetic.

    For example: See Raich.

  34. Jeff is correct. Talking about epiphanies and “consciouness expansion” doesn’t do anything to help the legalization movement. Those who don’t use will just dismiss you as another patchouli-stink hippy douchebag.

    For the legalization movement to move forward, legalization must be put into terms that bring home the loss of freedom to those who have never touched the stuff, and have no desire to touch the stuff.

    Point out that the drug war has reduced everyone’s 4th amendment rights, not just those of recreational drug users. Point out that we have a higher level of taxation to foot the bill of incarceration and interdiction.
    Point out that the drug war still hasn’t stopped any high school sophomore from scoring a bag.
    Point out that the drug war is used as justification for asset forfeiture and (to those who are NRA members) gun control.

    Nobody gives a fuck that you think smoking pot gives you insight into anything deeper than a half-eaten jar of salsa.

    People won’t sit up and take notice until they realize that the war on drugs affects more than just drug users. Until it becomes a matter of their pet personal freedoms, non-users will remain apathetic.

    For example: See Raich.

  35. Jeff:

    ..but you profess skepticism towards mj being a source of inspiration/epiphanies, yet the Sagan piece delves into exactly that. What is it about the essay do you like?

    And are you the Jeff in the “Jennifer and Jeff” duality? I thought you guys partied!

  36. For example: See Raich.

    She was an evil santanic woman who deserves to go to prison. She is more concerned with allieviating her own “surrering” than with doing what is the best for America’s children.

  37. Point out that the drug war still hasn’t stopped any high school sophomore from scoring a bag.

    That is whay the poison has to be illegal and the penalties have to be toughter. Those caught must get SEVERE punishment, up to and including DEATH. America wants DEATH.

  38. Jane has acquired a sadistic side and a sex change, I see.

  39. DEATH DEATH DEATH DEATH DEATH DEATH DEATH DEATH DEATH DEATH DEATH DEATH DEATH

  40. Is Bob a member of the band GWAR? No, their ship is powered by crack…

  41. Thank god he has been rounded up for some good ol’ fashioned SEVERE punishment. We can all sleep easily tonight.

  42. What’s “surrering”?

    I think “Bob” is “Jane”. Or her brother.

  43. If we give less credence to someone who makes comments or performs actions while under the influence of alcohol why is it when talk turns to “epiphanies” while toking people suddenly become downright evangelical and see whole new glorious worlds awaiting exploration?

    Sorry but anything that alters your perceptions by chemically tweaking your brain can’t be completely good for you.

    Having said that, I believe “the marijuana” should be legalized and then tax the shit out of it. Would I try? Hell, I barely drink alcohol which I do quite enjoy and, if legal, I’d likely try the weed about as often as I drink the beer which is, to say, about 4 bottles a month.

    As for Mr. Emery, he knew that what he was doing was illegal in da US and it could come around to bite him on the ass. I mean really, you’re not going to take your collection of seeds and glue them on a piece of cardboard spray-painted gold to hang on the kitchen fridge. Geez. Their sole purpose is to produce a plant that’s illegal.

    No sympathy from this quarter.

    TNCF

  44. Jeff,
    I’m not sure what you are saying about scotch. Are you saying that it doesn’t make the awful memories go away, or that drinking isn’t a responsible way of dealing with them? I don?t know about dysfunctional childhoods, but I can tell you that in my Navy days I found two beers to be far far more effective in removing the craving to kill someone than all the stress management techniques they wanted me to be using instead.

    I am being honest when I say that smoking pot has provided me with epiphanies. Many times I have lit upon solutions to technical problems (such as closed loop control algorithms) that I could not solve sober. To be sure, I must first put in several hours of hard, sober, concentration before I am capable of such dazzling flashes of insight, but the fact remains that pot is often the catalyst that delivers them to me.

    Artistically, my experience with pot is like yours. I appreciate everything better when I?m high, music, movies, kites, you name it (juggling high is often more fun, but I?m definitely not as good when I am. Side note: unlike musicians, jugglers don?t need to be recorded to be convinced of this, all the stuff hitting the floor is convincing.) For actual inspiration, my art requires something more powerful. My work with soap bubbles can be traced back to one particular evening tripping on mushrooms.

    My art is not that impressive. I?m not an artist however, I am an engineer. And I am a superior engineer because I smoke pot. I?ve found the technique of looking for solutions to perplexing problem in marijuana smoke so successful that I?ve authored a pithy saying about it.

    Adams? Axiom: No problem is so baffling or confusing that further insight can not be gained by smoking a bowl.

    Someone once said, that pot intensifies the person you already are. If you?re stupid, getting high makes you even dumber. If you?re smart dope can make you smarter. Lazy people get lazier, creative people get more creative. I?d hang on a few more qualifiers and disclaimers, but I pretty much agree with that.

  45. Nice guy: We don’t “party.” She “partakes” and I “imbibe.”

    Yes, I understand the perceived effects of pot, but Sagan also recognizes the receptors in your forebrain are being overrun with dopamine. This is a far cry from the introduction of a sixth sense.

    Man, we haven’t shut up about this subject in four hours. We must be stoned.

  46. Mr. Nice Guy–

    I’m the only stoner at our residence. Jeff sticks to healthy, legal stuff like Scotch.

  47. It was a sad day when scotch and pot were drafted into opposite sides of the culture war.

    A damn sad day.

  48. Yeah, Joe, but with people like me sleeping with the enemy, perhaps we’ll eventually find that we have more in common than not.

  49. joe,
    I’m not that excited over your comment, but I agree with it. Please note the date and time for posterity.

  50. Once I finish this rare single malt, I do believe I shall prepare myself a bowl of Northern Lights.

    Only in tribute to this thread, of course.

  51. Warren: If I was going to make the case for scotch (or brandy or gin), I’d say it’s relaxing, it warms you, and gives you moderate sense of well-being. I would NOT praise it’s ability to kill the pain, dilute my homicidal urges, etc.

  52. Sort of like the old Lite commercial. Whisky: relaxes you AND dilutes homicidal urges!

  53. Jeff,
    Again I’m not sure of your point.
    Are you saying that alcohol doesn’t in fact kill pain etc?
    Or, are you saying that it is not good to use it for such purposes?
    Or are you saying that most folks find such a suggestion (whatever the truth of it) repugnant?

  54. Mmm… boy, that Hennigan’s goes down smooth. And afterwards you don’t even smell. That’s right folks. I’ve just had three shots of Hennigan’s and I don’t even smell. Imagine: you can walk around drunk all day. That’s Hennigan’s: no smell, no tell, Scotch

  55. J&J:

    Interesting. I commend the both of you for keeping things together.

    I wonder how feasible it is to mix recreational drinkers and smokers. One time I was hanging out with a bunch of guys who were “only” drinking, and I felt totally weirded out. They acted like the many-times removed fratboys they were, and starting hitting each other for no reason. I got in the middle of it, pushing them away from each other and mumbling “Hey, this is bullshit. This alpha-dog crap is really bumming me out” My best bud cracked “Who is the smoker here..?”

    I simply hate booze. The worst a stoner gets is irritating. A boozer (not to say you are one, Jeff) can be a flaming asshole.. even dangerous.

  56. MNG–

    Booze lowers your inhibitions; it won’t make you violent or an asshole unless you were prone to such behaviors anyway. And Jeff is not.

  57. An idea: rather than commenting to each other, let’s write some articulate letters to the NY Times on this travesty: letters@nytimes.com (200 words or less is their norm).

    That right there is a fine epiphany. I’ll take you up on that recommendation tonight.

  58. I don’t smoke pot (or anything else). I get most of my epiphanies in the shower.

    Although this does make me worry about whether I might be addicted to Irish Spring. Worse, it could be a “gateway soap” that will tempt me to try other, more dangerous cleansers.

    PS: Scotch never gave me an epiphany. Neither have martinis, beers, bloody marys, Long Island teas or shots of Jagermeister or tequila. They have, however, often given epiphanies to the people around me. Usually about me, because I’ve said something all too revealing that I would normally wouldn’t.

  59. I AM a flaming asshole, and fiercly proud of it. This is due partly to the fact that I’m ALWAYS RIGHT…

    Warren: Yes, scotch kills the pain/urges. But if you were pressed into service to make the case for responsible, moderate usage, that wouldn’t be your lead talking point.
    Imagine, you’re addressing MADD and have to convince that not all drinkers are evil timebombs.

    That’s the fight that legalization advocates have to face.

    I want to put a Foster Brooks joke in here, but can’t think of one…

  60. Booze lowers your inhibitions; it won’t make you violent or an asshole unless you were prone to such behaviors anyway.

    I can’t let that stand. Although I speak only from personal experience, over the years I’ve seen too many violent and angry drunks that were not prone to agitation when sober. Alcohol effects everybody differently, but I’ve seen a lot of people whose personality changes under the influence of booze.

  61. Jennifer:

    Actually, I would argue that normally passive-aggressive personalities become skewed much more towards aggression with the drink. I have witnessed this on countless occasions, and from my own behavior when I was shit-faced.

    For example, there’s an acquaintance of mine who is a former marine. When he’s sober, he’s a really cool guy. But when he’s drunk, I was ready to fucking push him out of a moving car.

    But let me reiterate.. I think there is a huge difference between having a couple glasses to warm up, and being totally trashed and staggering around.

  62. Warren–

    But that doesn’t mean your drunk friends weren’t violent people; it just means that when they’re sober they have enough self-control to keep it under wraps.

  63. I’m picturing Stevo dressed in shambles, vigorously rubbing his underarm, crying “You’ve gotta hook me up, man!”
    At least you’re on Irish Spring. You haven’t hit bottom until you’re fishing soap slivers out of hotel dumpsters, and scooping handfuls of men’s room liquid soap into your pockets.

  64. Are y’all dishagreein’ wif m’girlfriend?
    Are ya?
    ARE YA!?
    I’ll kick yergoddamn ass, I will (hic).
    (Vomits.)
    (Starts crying.)
    I love you guys…

  65. So Jeff and Stevo don’t smoke.. my mind’s officially blown.

    Stevo:
    Great post 🙂 As a half-Mick meself, there is one thing I never understood regarding Irish Spring. Who the fuck equated the Irish with cleanliness? All of the full micks I’ve met STUNK! Totally reeked. “Two deodorants” my ass.

  66. Jennifer,
    No, very few people have that level of self-control, and they all play poker or run for office. It’s one thing to not smack someone upside the head when you really want to. It’s another thing altogether to not project through voice or facial expression that you want to.

  67. Man, if he was smoking that much, and he’s blown that much money, then I wonder how much of it went to Frito-Lay products? They owe this guy a huge donation. C’mon Frito-Lay, show some love for the man!

  68. Although I speak only from personal experience, over the years I’ve seen too many violent and angry drunks that were not prone to agitation when sober.

    Correct, but pot is more likely to have this effect, if it was totally harmless than it would be legal. The main reason for the laws is the reason it has on the mexicans. I don’t think kids should be on crack. All you folks want crack handed out in kindergarden. This is why we need to send the message to them about how deadly drugs are, they can mess up your life by putting you in prison, which is whay they is wrong.

    Imagine, you’re addressing MADD and have to convince that not all drinkers are evil timebombs.

    They are, people at 1.5+ bac cause many accidents, that is why we need lower limits of .05- and more roadblocks. This also lets us catch drugs that fund terrorism and stop the terrorists from poisoning americas children. Drugs caused 9/11.

  69. Jane/Juanita-

    We sniffed out Jean Bart when he changed names, and we can spot you as well. Might as well stick to one name.

  70. wouldn’t “Juan” or perhaps “Juanito” have been the next sensible ineration? Also, there’s a nice tinge of redneck/racist in this style. It may look like a Jane/Juanita, but it doesn’t smell like one…

  71. blegh! iteration, not ineration. what the hell is ineration?

  72. Nice Guy: I’m high on life!
    (unfortunately it’s some low-end life I got off a dude behind the strip club. It tastes like it’s been cut with Drano. It gave me a bit of a headache at first, but the buzz is nice. Now if I can just stop this nosebleed…)

  73. At this point I feel it’s appropriate to post this irreverent link.

  74. Booze lowers your inhibitions; it won’t make you violent or an asshole unless you were prone to such behaviors anyway.

    I definitely agree with Jennifer on this one. My personal experience is that alcohol acts as a type of intensifier: if you tend to be sentimental, you’ll be maudlin while drunk, if you tend to be agressive, you’ll be an angry asshole while drunk, and – if like me – you tend to be tired from getting up early, you’ll fall asleep.

  75. Booze lowers your inhibitions; it won’t make you violent or an asshole unless you were prone to such behaviors anyway.

    I definitely agree with Jennifer on this one. My personal experience is that alcohol acts as a type of intensifier: if you tend to be sentimental, you’ll be maudlin while drunk, if you tend to be aggressive, you’ll be raving angry while drunk, and – if like me – you tend to be tired from getting up early, you’ll fall asleep.

  76. Hmm, two double posts, yet slightly different. Go figure.

  77. just to make myself clear:
    I thoroughly enjoy bad movies and junk food without pot. I do, however, support the legalization of marijuana for those less fortunate than myself in these areas.

  78. If they change the constitution to make immigrants elligible for president, and if Emery moves here; I would support an “Emery for president” campaign.

    It almost certainly wont happen but it is mildly amusing to think about.

  79. “Booze lowers your inhibitions; it won’t make you violent or an asshole unless you were prone to such behaviors anyway.”

    I don’t buy it, because certain types of alcohol are more likely to make you violent, in my experience. Malt liquor will make you sucker punch your own grandma.

  80. Hey Warren,

    Funny link.

    FYI. That’s Larry Miller’s material.

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0588777/

    TNCF

  81. thoreau,

    “We sniffed out Jean Bart when he changed names,…”

    As only an occasional viewer of this soap-opera, I’d really appreciate it if someone could summarize the “Jean Bart” episode that I missed.

  82. joe:

    “because certain types of alcohol are more likely to make you violent, in my experience.”

    Keep in mind, people self-select their booze of choice, and that choice often correlates with their social environment and planned activities (violent or otherwise). I don’t know anybody who brings chardonnay to the frat party, nor anyone who drinks 40oz malt liquors at the country club.

    My opinion… ethanol is all the same, regardless of what it’s flavoured with.

  83. “Malt liquor will make you sucker punch your own grandma.”

    joe, great line. Someone I know actually brewed a malt liquor using mj seeds/stems. That shit was pure fucking evil. It was a Halloween gathering so I was dressed like a dark Jedi. Believe me, the dark side took over.

    “I do, however, support the legalization of marijuana for those less fortunate than myself in these areas.”

    I’m having an epiphany.. “Over the Hill and Far Away” is a really, really awesome song..

  84. It was a sad day when scotch and pot were drafted into opposite sides of the culture war.

    A damn sad day.

    Joe, that is very well said, sir.

    As for booze changing one’s mood, drinking either puts me in socially outgoing funny guy mode, or I get all maudlin and go sulk in the corner.

  85. Joe, malt liquor is just beer with no hops. “Malt Liquor” doesn’t imply that there is more or less alcohol than other ales and lagers. Unless its the hops keeping one’s behavior in check, I don’t see how there would be any diference. Then again, the hop is the only other member of the doobage plant family – stop me if I’m getting too technical with my biology terminology:) Maybe people who drink malt liquor are just assholes? (assholes with bad taste in beer)

    Speaking of assholes with no taste in beer…I’m off to hang out in my brother’s garage where he will offer me a Deeeelicious Old Mic Lite. Bet yer all jealous! Hee haw!

  86. I think the Cindy Sheehan problems can be solved rather quickly. All Bush has to do is plant a couple of ounces of weed on her and send the DEA in. At the least, they will apprehend her and slam her in the press as an evil weed smoker. At worst, they will kill her when she goes for a photo of her son or a picket sign. Problem solved, political silence achieved. I’ll bet that has been considered too, wouldn’t surprise me one bit.

  87. I know I’ll probably get pelted here.. but since you mentioned it, Cliff, that Sheehan crap is so freak’n irritating to me. If this was a draft, then this broad would have every right. But her son signed up under his God-given free will. What do these people think they’ll be doing by enlisting in the military? Just clean toilets and get free college education? Doesn’t it occur to them that there’s a slight possibility that they’ll be in some sort of danger?

    The cynical part of me thinks this lady is just using her personal tragedy to get attention.

  88. But her son signed up under his God-given free will.

    But did he sign up to fight an illegal war started under false pretenses? Had he died in Afghanistan, that would have been a different matter.

  89. “the hop is the only other member of the doobage plant family”

    It suddenly all makes sense! It all makes sense!

  90. But did he sign up to fight an illegal war started under false pretenses? Had he died in Afghanistan, that would have been a different matter.

    If Bush says we have to all die in a war, then we have to do it, it is treason to question the president.

  91. Great. I got Juanita on my side.

    I think Juanita is Jennifer! I’m outing you, girl!

    I think there is plenty of room to argue the merits of the Iraq invasion. It’s true that our administration wasn’t up-front with us (though I think the hidden reason has some validity).

    But the military isn’t set up to be a democracy. A soldier, by the terms of his/her contract, is obligated to follow orders despite his/her personal views. Their job is to ultimately fight and die. If a person isn’t willing/ready to accept these terms, then they shouldn’t join.

  92. A soldier, by the terms of his/her contract, is obligated to follow orders despite his/her personal views.

    Actually, they’re not supposed to obey illegal orders. And I’m pretty sure US soldiers aren’t supposed to invade and occupy foreign nation sunder false pretenses, either. I remember reading memoirs of soldiers who fought on both sides in World War Two; a German soldier mentioned that “every step I took in Holland, I was ashamed, because I knew I had invaded a neutrtal nation.”

    And if I’m Juanita then you’re Hitler.

  93. Godwin’s law! Godwin’s law!

    Naw, I’m not Hitler. I can’t dance worth crap.

  94. Hey Jennifer,

    “they’re not supposed to obey illegal orders. And I’m pretty sure US soldiers aren’t supposed to invade and occupy foreign nation sunder false pretenses, either”

    Having spent 10 years in the military, I can tell you that you’re only partly correct. Yes, soldiers are required to disobey “patently unlawful orders”, those which any reasonable person would conclude are in violation of laws of armed conflict or universal human rights (eg. rape, murder, torture, etc.)

    “Patently unlawful” is a pretty high standard, and orders deemed to be so are the type that originate from the front lines, not from Washington. It’s the job of Congress to be deciding on the validity of the Iraq “War”, not the job of soldiers. No military could function if it’s objectives were questioned and debated at every level of command.

    All that said, any soldier who feels strongly opposed to whatever he is being ordered to do, can simply disobey and accept imprisonment and court martial. If enough soldiers do so, the generals will definitely take notice.

  95. Malt liquor will make you sucker punch your own grandma.

    This is a necessary quality, to give imbibers a chance against the bulls.

  96. Malt liquor also makes those big bud centerfolds in High Times magazine look really sweet.

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