John Vance, RIP
Who was John Vance? He was the guy who, while working for the CIA Inspector General's office in 1963, discovered that the spy agency was feeding LSD to Americans without them knowing it, in order to experiment with mind control. He wrote a report slamming the program, and it was eventually discontinued. Here's more about the Executive Branch's acid dreams, from the Vance obit in the Washington Post:
Code-named MKULTRA (and pronounced m-k-ultra), the project Mr. Vance uncovered was the brainchild of CIA Director Allen Dulles, who was intrigued by reports of mind-control techniques allegedly conducted by Soviet, Chinese and North Korean agents on U.S. prisoners of war during the Korean War. The CIA wanted to use similar techniques on its own POWs and perhaps use LSD or other mind-bending substances on foreign leaders, including Cuba's Fidel Castro a few years after the project got underway in 1953.
Heading MKULTRA was a CIA chemist named Sidney Gottlieb. In congressional testimony, Gottlieb, who died in 1999, acknowledged that the agency had administered LSD to as many as 40 unwitting subjects, including prison inmates and patrons of brothels set up and run by the agency. At least one participant died when he jumped out of a 10th-floor window in a hotel; others claimed to have suffered serious psychological damage.
Is there a topical angle to this story? Sure. MKULTRA was made public in 1977, by the Church Commission hearings about flagrant abuses by the CIA, to which Vance supplied much crucial information. That very commission has been targeted by both the Bush Administration and its supporters as a key culprit in the intelligence failures leading to the Sept. 11 massacre. As we saw during the 9/11 Commission, the president always resists non-Executive Branch scrutiny, and his pro-war allies will obediently leap down the throats of anyone who attempts or even requests it. If the country was run entirely according to their desires, we'd never find out that the CIA was feeding us LSD in the first place.
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Matt, why do you hate America?
those poor bastards were getting incredible kicks from things they'd never know.
Has anyone invesigated the ingestion of copious amounts of marijuana smoke by unwitting patrons of the punk-rock club Cheech and Chong played at in Up In Smoke?
This seems to me a prime example of a pendulum swing in politics: the CIA goes too far, is exposed and restricted, then the restrictions turn out to be too much and cause problems later on. See also Enron -> Sarbanes-Oxley, etc. etc.
Sometimes I wonder if the military and intelligence agencies have fantastical weapons and other mind-blowing technology that the general public doesn't even know about.
Some people, even here at H'n'R, seem resistant to this possibility, though for reasons I don't really understand.
I don't see the connection between being unable to stop terrorists and not being allowed to slip mickeys to the American public. Sounds like a cop-out to me.
Am I the only one here of the opinion that the "why does (fill in the blank) hate America?" line has become enormously tedious? OK I get the point. Hell, I even agree with the point. But this makes about the thousandth time I've read it and it just ain't funny anymore. Can we now please move on to the next annoying pre-packaged bon mot?
Why do you hate annoying pre-packaged bon mots Smerdy?
Only when I stop seeing its use, in all its wacky seriousness, from the mouthbreathing right, the crucial political bulwark of our current gang of criminal statist bastards-in-charge.
Which means, it won't be disppearing soon.
Don't you have something more significant to be hacked off about?
I am almost positive that these events are what inspired one of my all-time favorite movies ever: Jacob's Ladder . If you haven't seen it, just buy it. Don't even waste time renting it, because everyone should own it.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099871/
Once he finished working for the CIA, the Scarecrow went on to bigger and badder things.
Only when I stop seeing its use, in all its wacky seriousness, from the mouthbreathing right, the crucial political bulwark of our current gang of criminal statist bastards-in-charge.
David brings up a good point. Where are the secret designers? Get your joe-inspired t-shirt here: http://www.cafepress.com/tinfoiltees.
Sorry about the brazen plug without any substantive addition to the thread. I must say that H&R is a great place to find wierd sayings for t-shirts. "____, why do you hate America?" could be next.
No wonder Libertarianism isn't popular - all of our merchandise sucks. (judging off of the link that the regulator posted). Only Democrats and Republicans get witty things on their T-Shirts. We get lame stuff like, "Michael Badnarik For President" and "Vote Libertarian" on our stuff.
I don't put anything past the government. That's why I never contaminate my precious bodily fluids with fluoridated water.
I also deny women my essence.
David -
Happy Shopping
Come on smacky, don't you want a reason logo thong?
Suggest LP shirt slogans:
"The LP - Leave me the fuck alone!"
"The LP - Defending your right to own a gun, smoke pot and evade your taxes since 1971"
"The LP - Parties are more fun with a third"
"The LP - Equality for all races: black, white brown, yellow or blue"
"The LP - Abortions for some, tiny American flags for everyone else"
Matt:
...and his pro-war allies will obediently leap down the throats of anyone who attempts or even requests it.
Speaking as one of his pro-war (but not otherwise) allies, I think you brush too broadly here. I, and I think other libs who support the war, are happy to see "non-Executive Branch scrutiny".
Come on smacky, don't you want a reason logo thong?
I sure would! I could use it as a slingshot.
Mo,
I would like the last suggestion you made to be put on a T-shirt for real. And on the back there could be a real ultrasound of a fetus with a little American flag photoshopped into its hand.
"Code-named MKULTRA (and pronounced m-k-ultra), the project Mr. Vance uncovered was the brainchild of CIA Director Allen Dulles, who was intrigued by reports of mind-control techniques allegedly conducted by Soviet, Chinese and North Korean agents on U.S. prisoners of war during the Korean War."
Sounds like someone took The Manchurian Candidate way too seriously.
Smerdy,
How about if we go back to "If the CIA can't dose people without their knowledge or consent, THE TERRORISTS WILL HAVE WON?"