Coins of the Realm
The great state of Ohio finds itself buffeted by Coingate, the cutesy name for a stark-raving insane plan to "invest" the state's workers' comp trust fund in rare coins. There's a criminal case building around the matter of missing coins, as if actual theft is where this thing started to go wrong. Various political insiders are running away from the idea, but not fast enough to escape eternal shame. An eBay account heavy on Beanie Babies and Elvis commemorative plates would not be a worse place for taxpayer money.
The man in charge of the workers' comp fund, James Conrad, called the coin deal equivalent to an investment in precious metals. Uh, no.
I mean you might, might, might look to a precious metals inflation hedge if you somehow thought you could not put together a well-balanced bond portfolio, and that approach assumes you have any business even worrying about inflation in the present low-inflation environment. Most importantly that hedge could take the form of all kinds of things closely tied to gold or silver or copper for that matter, but never, ever topsy-turvy coins which primarily trade on their perceived numismatic value and not their underlying metal content.
Now Conrad has resigned. Whoo-pee. I would not trust that dumb bastard with the non-dairy creamer kitty at the Coshocton branch of the BMV. Who hired the guy? Ever praised the guy? Parked next to him? Send them packing too. Tolerate stupidity Ohio, and you'll only get more of it.
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If any worker's comp people from the great state of Ohio happen by, please contact me immediately. I'd like to talk to you about the opportunity of a life time--that's right--time shares in the sunniest part of Arizona!
...but please, call quickly. Interest is already high, and time is running out.
Tolerate stupidity Ohio, and you'll only get more of it.
As someone who grew up in Ohio and thankfully escaped, let me say that there's a lot "more of it" where that came from.
As somebody still living in ohio, let me tell you all sumething this hear is the gratest state ever especilly the public educshun system, off which I am a proud member and graduate
Nobody,
Akron, OH
In all seriousness, when I see this sort of thing, I think, is this type of thing really that rare? Is this just politics as usual, or are incidents like this as rare as the news would lead you to believe?
Ohio is a one-party state. One-party states always wind up being run by corrupt idiots because there's no competition.
The thing I can't figure out is why NY and California can elect (nominal) republicans and Montana can elect democrats but we're stuck with these low rent crooks.
Have they considered chinchilla farming?
Daahhhh... this is old news. Really old news. S'pose you guys could keep up with what's going on?
The reporting is also cross-eyed. The problem is not with coins, which could make some sort of sense. The problem is with disappearing coins-- money spent for items that weren't ever delivered, from a guy who seems to have made a bit of a habit of using his coin business for money laundering.
Bloody sloppy journalism, "Reason".
Emus, Joe, they're the food of the future!
I don't buy the stupid excuse - this was a scam from the jump.
Alpaca breeding!
It's foolproof!
Heh. I don't see Noe's business listed with the coin dealers at the bottom of the Post's page. I guess that would be too rich.
As an aside, Noe is selling homes in Ohio to consolidate in Florida. Homestead Act?
Who says crime doesn't pay?
And they claim that individuals won't invest their SS withholding "responsibly"!
I recall seeing a $500 bill at a flea market a couple years ago. It was from the 1930s-- you know, back when $500 was serious, serious money. You could buy a good car with $500.
How much was it going for?
$600! A sure fire investment plan, if I've ever heard one!
Yeah, this isn't stupidity, it's corruption. What is stupidity is Ohio's workers' compensation system itself. Every employer of any size must buy it, and can only buy it from the state. Needless to say, Ohio's premiums are the fifth-highest in the country.
"Could make some sort of sense"? Like what? I'd like to see the 1-yr-, 3-yr-, 5-yr-, 10-yr-, and lifetime-yield rates of these here coin investment opportunities. Damn, maybe you're right...I should call my IRA director and tell him to take all my money from my Fidelity VIP Equity-Income fund, and put it all into...um....buffalo nickels! C'mon, this shit stinks like a 3am Carlton Sheetz commercial.
Nor are these two instances of stupidity mutually exclusive; it's not one or the other. Yes, there is something wrong with taking worker's comp funds and investing them in coins or stamps or beanie babies. Yes, there is also something wrong with the fact that they tried to buy these hobby trinkets from a shady character, and paid him without having been delivered the goods. But that doesn't get these twats off the hook for the undeniable stupidity of their initial planning.
While I don't disagree with the thrust of this post (the scheme was dumb in conception and evidently criminal in execution), let's bear in mind one important fact left out of Jeff Taylor's post: The rare coin scheme represented less than 1% of the fund's total assets. Now, of course, it represents...er...a bit less than 1%.
assumes you have any business even worrying about inflation in the present low-inflation environment.
none of this is to excuse this harebrained scam, but this statement, of course, is to make the classic mistake of extrapolating the recent past into the distant future. the machinery and impetus necessary for not just inflation but runaway inflation is in place in america. any l/t investor that isn't worried about it, given the debt bubble that has been fostered by keynesian government, is not being empirical or historical in their approach.
and i'd like to know, mr taylor, how you'd construct such a 'bond portfolio' as to be inflation-proof. TIPS? because every other manner of bond is likely to be destroyed by inflation.
"The rare coin scheme represented less than 1% of the fund's total assets."
So what?
It's still a hell of a lot of money to be pissing away like this. And it's worse when you consider the lost long-term returns that would have been collected from a more rational investment.
"and i'd like to know, mr taylor, how you'd construct such a 'bond portfolio' as to be inflation-proof."
International bond funds could help. Wouldn't be inflation-proof, but different countries will experience different levels of inflation at different times, so a portfolio of bonds from various countries would reduce the inflation risk from any one country.
I've followed this nonsense for some time- it's unbelievable! You left out the part about the two coins worth a modest $300,000.00 that are lost in the mail!
International bond funds could help
international anything, i would think, mr jon -- but many government-affiliated institutional investors are limited in what they can do overseas. but that's for the same reason as a commodity bet -- the idea is to take advantage of the currency devaluation to preserve capital.
commodities would in the event probably be a bad bet on a currency-neutral scale, as an international lending retraction -- a very likely consequence of american inflationary crisis -- will squelch industry. so would international government bonds be, however, as global interest rates will rise in a system in which the dollar is lingue franche.
IT gets better....
Noe was a Bush pioneer. And at least 2 republicans have stepped forward accusing Noe of getting them to donate 2 K for Bush re-elect and then reimbursing them for it.
Niiice
As someone who grew up in Ohio and thankfully escaped, let me say that there's a lot "more of it" where that came from.
Hey, I resemble that remark!
Re: ChicagoTom's 12:54pm post: I'm sure that Bush was not really re-elected legitimately in Ohio. It's not just a hunch, it's my intuition. Underhanded lies are the norm for "elected" officials of all levels. Don't demand proof from me that it was rigged, either, because we all know the paper trail (and deceit trail) is a long and winding one, especially for the cronies in Ohio politics.
smacky,
Although I personally have my doubts about the re-election effort and the vote count in Ohio, that wasn't my intention of the post.
The implication is that Noe and Co. diverted some of the Worker's comp money to the campaign war-chest. Now I dont know how that correlates to alleged vote count irregularities (if at all) but I do think that if in fact the Bush campaign was involved was reimbursing donors with stolen public funds I would imagine there would be a bit of a public relations headache.
RE Inflation-Hedged Bonds:
You know Treasury (www.treasurydirect.gov) has been doing inflation-protected I-Bonds for a while now, right? Sure, it's government bonds, but there you go.
Sure, it's government bonds, but there you go.
i would say that's the best bet, mr timothy. in inflationary times, capital protection becomes very difficult.
Gaius is dead-on concerning the current investment conditions in the US - considering the wild volatility in the fixed-income markets so far this year, the contining massive trade and current-account deficits and the ongoing erosion of dollar value, I wouldn't be too sanguine about bonds in general. "Inflation-protected" Treasuries (TIPs, etc.) don't reassure me too much, since they are indexed to CPI, one of the most overtly government-manipulated macro-indices around. Does anyone who's had to buy gasoline, heating oil, electricty or food in the last two years honestly believe that we're in a "low-inflation" environment?
A precious-metals hedge in a portfolio, along with some weighting towards oil and other resources nvestments, makes more sense now than it did anytime in the last 10 years. The coin scam was still stupid and illegal, but compared to what Greenspan and the Fed have pulled on the country in the last 8 years, those schmucks in Ohio were decidedly junior-league.