Johnny Who?
Johnny Carson got serious postmortem treatment from PBS, respectful remembrance from BBC World, and even a moment in Arabic on LBC. But Terry Teachout writes that "I must have seen several hundred episodes of The Tonight Show in my lifetime, and I even went out of my way to watch the last one, yet I doubt I've thought of Carson more than once or twice in the thirteen years since he retired, just as I doubt that anyone now alive can quote from memory anything he said on any subject whatsoever."
Teachout thinks that after the obligatory obits, Carson's memory faces "a fast fade to black." Why? "American popular culture is cruel and brutal when it comes to the immediate past: it respects only extreme youth, and has no time for the day before yesterday."
That's an odd thing to write. First, it's obviously not true: Nostalgia fills an enormous commercial cultural niche, one that's grown ever larger as media have expanded. Second, it implies that American culture is too shallow to remember Carson, when Teachout has just finished writing that he himself has already forgotten him. Teachout's a notable defender of middlebrow, so maybe he can't help himself on this kind of lowbrow subject. Still, I suspect he's right about Carson's likely fade, not because pop culture is cruel, but because like Teachout, most people probably haven't had much reason to think of Carson in years, and won't have much reason to do so again.
Teachout closes by asking how Carson "felt about having lived long enough to disappear into the memory hole? At least he had the dignity to vanish completely, retreating into private life instead of trying to hang on to celebrity by his fingernails. Perhaps he knew how little it means to have once been famous."
Editor's Note: As of February 29, 2024, commenting privileges on reason.com posts are limited to Reason Plus subscribers. Past commenters are grandfathered in for a temporary period. Subscribe here to preserve your ability to comment. Your Reason Plus subscription also gives you an ad-free version of reason.com, along with full access to the digital edition and archives of Reason magazine. We request that comments be civil and on-topic. We do not moderate or assume any responsibility for comments, which are owned by the readers who post them. Comments do not represent the views of reason.com or Reason Foundation. We reserve the right to delete any comment and ban commenters for any reason at any time. Comments may only be edited within 5 minutes of posting. Report abuses.
Please
to post comments
Marilyn Monroe? James Dean? Humphrey Bogart?
Tonight we'll have Joan Embree from the San Diego zoo...
I tend to agree with Teachout, at least as applied to Johnny Carson. I watched Carson on the Tonight Show for about 15 years up to his retirement, I missed him for about a week after he was gone and then he pretty much vanished from my conscious mind.
The value of nostalgia can be summed up in two words: Harley-Davidson profits. Okay, I guess that's three words.
Marilyn Monroe? James Dean? Humphrey Bogart?
Beloved talk shows are much more ephemeral than beloved movies.
I did not know that. That's wild and wacky stuff.
(Did Carson ever actually say that or is that strictly a SNL bit)?
Hi-ooo!
I remember one line from Carson's show.
The line concerns Carson retorting to Gabor or Raquel Welch or someone like that the following after being asked whether he would like to pet her "pussy" (Gabor or whoever was holding a cat at the time):
Johhny retorted that he would if she moved the cat.
I think Carson's Tonight Show was an institution, not a show. Like Walter Cronkite, he was too omnipresent to be remembered as something other than as someone who defines an era (or longer). People might remember moments and quotes, but not in the same way people remember incidents and episodes of Gilligan's Island, MASH, Seinfeld, or even Magnum P.I.
As Jeff pointed out in Reason Express this week, Gary, the pussy story is almost certainly apocryphal:
http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/zsazsa.htm
Actually now that I think of it wasn't it Carson's bit to be pleasantly mediocre and barely there? Which is why nothing much would stick in the mind.
It's getting late. . . have another drink. . . I'm interviewing a Gabor sister here. . . we're not talking Immortal Art for the Ages.
I can't remember a single thing Carson did, but I threw out my TV in 1971. All Carson in memory is a single indistinguisable hour.
He did Carnap or somebody, and that I remember because a guy at work used to mock it. Actually I remember him mocking but not Carson doing it particularly.
By comparison, I remember Ernie Kovacs's tilted reading room bit, the greatest physical comedy ever (for me at a young age anyway) and the Nirobi Trio. So it's not as if I forget everything. Carson is just forgettable
Terry who?
Okay here's something I remember Carson said (even if somebody probably wrote it for him).
"This week President Reagan is at his ranch in California for a 'working vacation.' Meanwhile in Moscow, the Kremlin reports Premeir Chernenko is in a 'working coma.'"
Its wasn't Carnap. That's the philosopher. It was Carnak.
(And while we're on a nostalgic TV trip, now for something completely different . . . With the card to my forehead)
The Monty Python soccer-match sketch.
(Rip open the envelope and blow into it)
What you get when you cross philosophers and comedians.
Anybody remember?
Many of Johnny's guests were more memoriable than he was. Seinfeld, Jim Garrison, etc.
I don't know, I grew up doing whatever until Letterman started.
I remember when he had Judge Wapner on to decide a case b/w himself and Letterman, something to do about damage done to Dave's truck in a prank. It was funny. But like Native NYer said, Dave is primarily what made it funny...
"Prune danish" (Carnac answer)
"The Halloween costumes this year are really something else. One kid came to my house and scared the Hell out of me. He was dressed as President Quayle." (Monologue, 1988)
And so what if Carson completely fades from memory? Number one, he's dead, so I doubt he cares, and number two, he didn't seem to care all that much when he was alive. Teachout acts as if it's the primary responsibility of a fluff late-night talk show goofball to do great things and have statues built for him, instead of to help people fall asleep with a smile on their faces, and forget for a little while about the fat lump in bed next to you from which there is no escape.
Carson brought a little sunshine into a lot of people's lives.
I still remember the clip where Dean Martin keeps knocking his cigarette ash into another guest's beer cup. Carson, Martin, the other guests, and the audience are all dying, and the guy thinks it's because of the story he's telling. Of course, that has more to do with Dean Martin than Carson.
carson was great, imo, precisely because he was not the ambitious asshole or the suffering cynic (a la letterman), but neither was he the village idiot. he was smart and quick, but the opposite of intimidating.
i've long thought that i'd hate to know a man like letterman; the man's a jackass, with only a thin forced civility laying over him like a sheet.
carson, on the other hand, is one of the people i'd choose to be stranded on a desert island with. i don't think there's anything carson said that carries the weight of Importance -- but if that's all you can look for (ie a byronic hero-figure, complete with indulgent idiosyncracy), you've entirely missed the point and something central to life, imo. that something is why he may have been the most powerful man in showbiz.
I was born, raised and live in Carson country. We here tend to watch the antics of both coasts with quiet amusement, and wave cheerily as the denizens of each pass overhead. From my vantage point it appears that the length and breadth of public memory of any pop culture icon is in proportion to his efforts to make himself memorable. Sometimes it is directly proportional, sometimes inversely proportional.
Although Mr. Carson succombed to many bicoastal show business quirks - serial monogamy, overconcern with riches and multiple domiciles among them - he retained a very midwestern perspective on the worth of fame itself. In 2001, when he closed his business office, he donated almost all his showbusiness memoribilia to the historical museum in his childhood hometown of Norfolk, Nebraska, where they would clearly do more good than they would have in some shrine to himself in his final home. His quiet, unheralded generosity has made life better for a lot of people in western Iowa and eastern Nebraska. For that, if for nothing else, he will be well remembered for a long time.
I don't recall too many Carson soundbites, either, but I do recall looking forward to his show each night in a way I have never looked forward to an hour of Leno, or Letterman, O'Brian, Kimmel, etc., ad nauseum.
I haven't sat through an entire Tonight Show since Mr. Carson's retirement. For some reason, the show and its imitators have always lacked something since. Taste? Style? Innocence? No, none of these words really describes. I think it is something akin to the difference between old fashioned burlesque and a modern-day pole-straddling, lap dancing strip show.
Most contemporary celebs seem to end their fifteen minutes of fame in some form of self-distruction. Carson understood that his decades-long run of fame was something that he himself needed to live up to. If nothing else, he went out with his usual impeccable timing, grace, and class.
Johnny Carson died?
And so what if Carson completely fades from memory? Number one, he's dead, so I doubt he cares, and number two, he didn't seem to care all that much when he was alive. Teachout acts as if it's the primary responsibility of a fluff late-night talk show goofball to do great things and have statues built for him, instead of to help people fall asleep with a smile on their faces, and forget for a little while about the fat lump in bed next to you from which there is no escape
Amen to that. What a douche Teachout is...
Carnak: "Cool Hand Luke"
Ed: "Cool Hand Luke"
Carnak: "Who do the cows hate to see come into the barn each morning?"
I remember one Carson joke that he must have said back around '79 or '80, in a Carnac skit. He held an envelope to his head, and said "Mechanical bucking bull." Then opened the envelope and read the question: "What do you get from a mechanical bucking congressman?"
I thought that was hilarious. Of course, at that age I also thought the ghosts on Scooby-Doo were scary. Ah well.
From memory:
Carnak: "Ghotzbadegh"
Ed: "Ghotzbadegh"
Carnak: "What does an Iranian farmer do when he can't get women at night?"
(Can't verify accuracy of spelling the minister's name without violating the "from memory" part)
Carnak: Sis! Boom! Bah!
Ed: Sis! Boom! Bah!
Carnak: What's the sound of an exploding sheep?
Jens
I was trying to think of that one.
I had the "goats b' day" part but, not the question.
Another urban legend has it that Arnold Palmer and his wife were on the Carson show, Johnny asked if they had any superstitions, and Mrs. Palmer replied that before every match "I kiss his balls."
Carson: "I bet that makes his putter rise."
I think Snopes shot this one down, too...
Winnie palmer was on without Arnie. She threatened to sue, but nothing came of it.
It was damn funny.