No Child Left Unbeaten
Wash Post education writer Jay Mathews has an interesting column on the effects of the No Child Left Behind Act, which was supposed to fix bad public schools by giving students the right to leave chronically crappy and dangerous institutions. He points to this hilarious graphic identifying all 26 schools nationwide that have earned the designation "persistently dangerous"--two in South Dakota and the rest in Pennsylvania and New Jersey.
Writes Mathews,
Where are New York and Illinois and Ohio and Michigan and California and a lot of other places with similarly afflicted neighborhoods? And if all their schools are as safe as Sesame Street, what in the name of all the statistical deities is SOUTH DAKOTA doing on this map, with two persistently dangerous educational institutions?
A supporter of No Child, Mathews nonetheless writes about how schools have co-opted the new standards so that they redefine themselves out of any problem areas without actually having to change the way they do anything (surprise, surprise, surprise).
The allegedly harsh punishments in the law, such as closing low-performing schools in favor of charters or having the state take them over, have mostly been ignored in favor of lesser penalties that are similar to what districts have been doing with troubled schools for many years.
In Michigan, for instance, despite having 162 schools that are supposed to be restructured because of little or no test score improvement, "no schools were closed and reopened as charters," [Education Week] reported, "and the state decided not to take over any schools because it lacked the capacity to do so."
And oh yeah, not only are schools magically getting safer and better-performing, teachers are becoming "highly qualified" overnight, too.
Whole thing here.
In a recent issue of Reason, Lisa Snell looked at the No Child Left Behind Act and found it to be a bitter exercise in phony rhetoric about "choice." That disturbing story is here.
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The only way any of the schools are going to get better is if parenting gets better (adults accept responsiblity for the development of their children). I know it's cliche'd, but it's true. Why on earth would anyone who reads this blog think that government is the answer to the sick state of affairs in our public schools?
Well, DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
[new trend good for today only]
"...if all their schools are as safe as Sesame Street, what in the name of all the statistical deities is SOUTH DAKOTA doing on this map..."
That has got to be the best use of the English languge I've seen all year.
I agree with Matt in Cincy, lousy parenting is the root cause of our crappy public schools. OK, and the teacher's union too. But as one of the causes of "white flight" was the search for better schools, it's clear that one of the results was a concentration of parents left in the city who don't care about their kids' education. Add to that the fact that our quasi-governmental system of school districts does not allow kids to attend schools outside their distict and it's no surprise that there is no place in their own district to transfer kids. It should have been obvious from the start that "No Child Left Behind" could not work.
I guess Bush was right: No Child Behind IS a "jobs bill"...protecting teachers' jobs.
Yet another Unfunded Federal Mandate, brought to you today by the letters F, and U...and the number 0.
If DC were held to South Dakota's standards
then probably every high school, most middle schools and even some elem. schools would be considered Persistently Dangerous.
Depending on which literary allusion you prefer, you can call this either the Harrison Bergeron act (all students will be absolutely equal) or the Lake Wobegon act (in Lake Wobegon, ALL the children are above average!)
According to NCLB, EVERY SINGLE STUDENT in the US has to become proficient in reading, writing, math and science. Even the microcephalic students with no cerebellum will somehow develop these skills, and if they don't it's the school's fault.
I look forward to implementation of the "No Gym Student Left Behind" act, when all kids--even the quadriplegics, or the skinny hundred-pounders like me-- will become professional quarterbacks for the NFL.
And, of course, if they DON'T become quarterbacks, it's the school's fault.
Jennifer:
you've stated a general issue that's going on in public institutions. whether it's the ADA that Prez Bush (I) signed that caused PJ O'Rourke to wonder about "one-legged firemen" or the removal of timed math tests in schools.
And in the name of so-called self esteem.
Professor Dan Chambliss (spelling?) (soc) once did some research in various top twenty colleges to see how students self rated. naturally, at the better schools, basically all students answered the following question in the affirmative: "are you more intelligent than the average student at this institution?"
parents want their kids to be smart. and the way of accomplishing this is electronic books, where the parents don't interact with the children; cooked tests where potentially difficult parts are removed; and of course, lots of blaming.
Look at how terrible math is in most schools. And consider how many college-bound seniors are woefully lacking in quantitative skills or critical writing.
sigh.
Government in action.
cdunlea,
No. No. The Republicans got rid of unfunded mandates in 1995. 🙂
If school bullies are eliminated, where will future ranks of real estate developers come from?
ron, they'll become HR people.
And, of course, if they DON'T become quarterbacks, it's the school's fault.
Isn't it also the fault of delinquent parents who just don't take responsibility for their children's physical education?
The really pitiful part about NCLB is that the focus is unrelentingly on college. We have the evidence in hand that jobs in a/c maintenance, plumbing, electricity, trucking, etc. are good paying jobs. So, even though "conservatives" talk a good talk about harder standards, etc. they are as elitist as any other group. Only college is esteemed. Only college will give you self-esteem.
DRF-
NCLB is reason #546,702 why I not only don't teach anymore, but even let my license expire rather than pay the fifty or so dollars to renew it. It's not a right-wing or a left-wing issue; modern school problems combine the worst aspects of both political philosophies. So from the left wing you have all this nonsense about feelings being more important than facts, and self-esteem more important than self-achievement, and then from the right wing you have zero tolerance policies which see kids expelled for possession of an aspirin tablet or a plastic butter knife.
Jennifer,
Proof, if any more were needed, that both sides fear nothing more than a well-educated mind.
The late Morris Tannehild once responded, when asked if his views were left-wing or right-wing, insisted that it was self-destructive to shelter under either wing of a bird of prey.
regards,
Shirley Knott
Shirley-
I just figured out a way to state the modern public-school philosophy in a single succinct sentence:
"Knowing how to mind your p's and q's is far more important than knowing how to spell them."
I may have a future as a bumper-sticker writer, but I'm not quitting my day job yet.
We have the evidence in hand that jobs in a/c maintenance, plumbing, electricity, trucking, etc. are good paying jobs.
Yeah. For foreigners.
The only real way to restore the "student's right to leave chronically crappy and dangerous institutions" is to get rid of the fucking compulsory attendance laws.
I think that parents don't take responsibility or their kids because the government exersices too much control in that area.
There should be no public schools, no drinking age laws, and no drug laws. Parents take charge and responsibility for the actions and the education of your offspring. I think that would wound up way better for: parents, kids, and government.
On another topic;
Jennifer, you only weigh 100 lbs?
Kwais-
A hundred and six, actually. But "hundred-pounder" just had a better ring to it.
Or, as my boyfriend describes me, "She weighs nine pounds, and eight of that is her hair."
For folks who support the NCLB, I'd like to ask one serious question, which is vacant from modern discussions of education:
How much responsibility, if any, does the STUDENT have for his education?
At the school district where I taught, there used to be a sign in the school board building: "There are no failing students, only failing teachers." I stood up at a meeting and asked if we could take that one step further: "There are no failing teachers, only failing administrators." (The answer, boiled down to its essentials, was 'no.')
Good, now I have a mental image of Jennifer.
(But this is her boyfriend .)
"How much responsibility, if any, does the STUDENT have for his education?"
To the student 100%
To the teachers, parents and administrators 0%
To the institution the student is your material, the educated student is your product. If you can't produce the product you are failing in your purpose.
hahaha
Stevo darkly is that Milla Jovovich?
Much was made of Jennifer and of Shannon Love, and what they look like. And links were posted that I couldn't get to. All this about a year ago. Then I went to somewhere that had no internet, and I did not see if anything came of all of this.
But I have been wildly curios of what these two look like (maybe because I am in the middle east and I am on a post now that has no women at all, and fratinization with the locals, is forbidden)
Anyways that is my excuse for wondering mentally on an intellectual format that is supposed to be about government failings and stuff like that.
aside comment, not a put down or a judgement.
why is physical appearence necessary to mention? that's been a leitmotif of J. for about 18 months now.
Stevo-
Back in 1986, your imaginary vision of my hair would have been entirely accurate (except more auburn than brown). I've calculated, due to my supersized hairstyles from 1985 through 1988, that I, personally, am responsible for 90% of the Antarctic ozone hole. Don't tell Greenpeace.
Kwais-
I don't know about Ms. Love, but I've never posted any links to my appearance on the Internet; I don't think there ARE any pictures of me on the Net, unless it's on some sleazy up-skirt webcam site of which I know nothing.
DRF-
In this instance, I mentioned my weight because it is ludicrous to think that even the world's most gifted gym teacher, backed by the most brilliant physical-education plan, could turn my skinny self into a successful professional football player, just as its ludicrous to think that NCLB will turn a dumb kid into Einstein.
D.J.: Well, D U U U U U U U U U U U U H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H H!
I'm going, I'm going, just let me get my coat ...
As far as I know, neither you not Ms Love did post any pictures or give any hints as to your phisical appearance. It was all speculation by other contributers to H&R, on threads that you both commented on.
I don't know if either of you saw the speculative posts, because they were later in the threads.
Kwais: I don't know who it's really a photo of; I just did a Google image search for "bighair."
It's only natural for participants in a virtual forum to wonder what the others are "really" like. It's especially natural for the guys to wonder what the women are like. I don't see any harm in feeding that curiousity to a prudent degree. Jennifer shrewdly mentioned her boyfriend to forestall any cyberstalkers, so it's all good and harmless, IMO. No more inappropriate than speculating about gay/bi French marines/engineers and their Jewish wives, as long as it doesn't get too intrusive or insistent.
Of course, I might actually be a really big, sweaty guy typing in his mom's basement and dealing with serious gender-identity issues.
We're going to continue to have idiotic educational policies, as long as everyone keeps basing their thoughts on a chicken little vision of public schools. Most public schools, probably around 90%, do a perfectly good or very good or excellent job educating students. But everyone from every side of the spectrum invents phony crises that only their preferred ideological policies (which they'd hold, even if there was no crisis) can possibly solve.
Stevo,
Isn't the French dude a history guy? And I am not active enough to know about the jewish wife. But I laughed nonetheless, so I guess it worked.
Jen,
If the story we are talking about involves you and Shannon Love, one and only one of you can be a big sweaty guy if you really want to. If the story is about just you, you will just have to lie convincingly thats all.
So are there curves on the 110 lbs?
Joe-
When American students are tested and compared to students in other countries, even the "excellent" American schools are found to be lacking.
My last year of teaching I had a BRILLIANT student who asked me to write her a recommendation letter; she wanted to go to some school in England. I wrote a glowing (and entirely true) letter talking about what a huge asset she'd be to any university she attended.
A couple of months later she started acting depressed. I asked her what was wrong; she said that she'd heard back from the school, and DESPITE her straight-A average she couldn't attend a school in England unless she first attended a year of British prep school, because an American high-school diploma, even with a straight-A average, didn't mean one was cut out for a British university. I spoke with her guidance counselor and even some guy from the school to see if an exception could be made, or if there was some sort of equivalency test she could take. No dice.
And the hell of it is, as grossly unfair as it was to the girl, I can entirely see their point.
Kwais-
Yes. All natural, too.
Jen,
The fact that she wouldn't even be allowed to take an eqiuvalency test pretty much supports joe's notion that "everyone from every side of the spectrum invents phony crises that only their preferred ideological policies can possibly solve."
I never went to high school. I did the GED thing because I wanted to join the Marine Corps. Then by the time I got my diploma, they wouldn't take a GED without a semester of college.
So I went to college, and I took classes with people that I assume had not done so hot in high school. Still after studying for a few months to get my GED, the college classes were simple to me, and they were hard for some of these individuals that had been in high school for four years.
I think what I most learned in college was how to pass a class without learning that much of the subject matter. (that may be more of a statement about me than about the classes).
I know that I would probably have been lost in a class with high achievers from really good high schools. But I think at the lower end US public school high schools appear to be a miserable failure.
I don't know if the parents or the school is to blame, but the student is not. You can certainly do better than that.
"Yes. All natural, too."
Nicely done:)
Jennifer,
"When American students are tested and compared to students in other countries, even the "excellent" American schools are found to be lacking." We hold our own, and manage to do so with a cultural and linguistic diversity, and a cohort of kids who live in poverty, much greater than the educational system of other developed nations.
I think your story about the British school says more about English schools' snobbery than our schools' effectiveness.
The British school system is just different. For those going to university, they have an extra year of highschool, where you basically take all those classes that would be "General Education" requirements at most US Universities. The first degree at University then takes 3 years, instead of our 4(+). That's why a student right out of US highschool can't just jump into Oxford.
Kwais:
Honestly, I can't keep track of all our posters' varied or supposed backgrounds. I'm confused about any alleged identity overlap between Gary G., Jean Bart (apparently a former poster who was before my time), and maybe Jason Bourne. Of course, this confusion is all part of their/his/her/its plan.
Ms./Mr. Jennifer:
Now that we know your exact weight, if you care to slip any details about your height, measurements, and what you're wearing, I'm sure that would be fine also. 🙂
Kwais-
A hundred and six, not a hundred and ten. Dear God, boy, you've been away from women for so long your social skills are starting to atrophy! When you get back to the States, remember this: you will never, ever, EVER get laid if you accuse a woman of weighing four pounds more than she actually does. General rule: subtract five pounds from your best guess as to her weight, and five years off of your best guess to her age. (Unless you like them really, really young, but that's another issue.)
Joe-
Didn't you see that news story a few weeks ago about how when it comes to math and science and whatnot, American kids tested worse, on average, than their age-mates in places like Cyprus?
I'm not saying there's nothing good to be said about our schools, and I'll freely admit that a kid who's determined to get an education will likely manage to do so at even the worst of them. But generally speaking, we're not getting what we're paying for, when it comes to results, and bullshit solutions like NCLB, or teaching children to think that feelings are facts and shortcomings are discrimination, will not ONLY not help matters, but actually make them worse.
Stevo-
I'm wearing a gray jockstrap, a wifebeater shirt, and a--oh, wait, I forgot I'm playing a role here--I'm wearing the exact same lingerie worn by that centerfold you dreamed about three nights ago.
Thanks, Jennifer! And, just to be fair, I will reveal that I'm wearing snakeskin cowboy boots, gold lame' bicycle shorts, a tuxedo shirt, a scarlet bow tie, and a sombrero.
Mr. Darkly:
I found another hot libertarian chick--actually a hot objectivist chick--for your collection. Try
http://www.annmariechuman.com.
Yes, I am keeping track. We need all the femme bots we can get for the revolution.
Doing what I can for Freedom,
Angela Keaton
Stevo-
Ooh, baby, you know what I like!
You know what's especially impressive about my outfit, though? I'm not just wearing you-know-what from your little fantasy the other night, I'm also wearing the outfit Kwais was picturing in his head the other evening! And the outfits lurking in the minds of all the other posters here! You see, in real life I am a comic-book superheroine, and my power is the ability to wear 13,472 different erotic fantasy outfits simultaneously. And also some antigravity powers concerning my watermelon-sized breasts, of course.
Best of all: my thick, luxuriant hair billows and ripples dramatically behind me in the breeze, even when there isn't any! Right now, for example, I'm sitting in a sealed room with nary a draft, yet my hair (of a length and thickness a normal human woman could only achieve with three thousand gallons of mousse) is being blown (along with my cape) almost parallel to the ground, a shimmering symphony of highlights and movement underscoring the justness of my righteous superhero cause.
Or maybe this is just some really good shit I've got here.
Okay, I see my superpowers do NOT include correctly using HTML. Damn.
Ms. Keaton -- or Angela, if I may:
It's always a pleasure to see you and your contributions to this forum! Thank you! Ms. Chuman looks kinda like a cross between Gillian Anderson (X-Files uber-nerd-babe) and Darla Crane (curvy fetish model -- Google at your own risk, folks, and not at work), and that is good.
Jennifer:
I didn't see any HTML errors, unless you meant to include a link. The imagery evoked is spectacular, thank you! I'm going to go change my pants now. (Meaning, out of my workaday Dockers and into my relaxing jeans -- shame on y'all for what you were thinking.) Today was a good day for my pants.
Stevo-
Only the first word was supposed to be italicized in the two phrases I'd used.
I'm glad you liked the image, although in retrospect I should have posted "grapefruit" rather than "watermelon," since watermelon-sized breasts sound a little unrealistic.
I think the real point (aside from Jennifer)
is being missed here. Performance standards,
which is what the NCLB is all about, are not
a substitute for a market. That is bad news
to some degree for all those who would like
to contract all government services out or
who would like to "reinvent" government.
These same issues have come up for (literally)
decades in the use of outcome based performance
measures in employment and training programs
such as CETA, JTPA and WIA. Yet, somehow, the
lessons don't get through. The WIA performance
system is worse than that for JTPA and the NCLB
system copies many of the worst aspects of both.
Smart folks I know (that would be my buddy Rick)
will defend NCLB as a glass half full, but I
think it is just a distraction from the real
goal of competition. If we assigned restaurants
based on geographic location and then had
performance standards, they would not be very
good either. Schools need to compete, now.
Jeff
Jeff-
You are right, but so long as the current public-school monopoly exists, NCLB will only make matters worse. This entire secondary topic got started when I made an example to show how absurd it would be to hold all students to the same high standards of athleticism, yet the NCLB does just that for academia. It also operates under the erroneous assumption, mentioned above by another poster, that EVERY student will and MUST go to a four-year college, if he wants to have any sort of success in life. Not every student is capable of that, and for that matter not every student needs it. If a future plumber or mechanic or electrician is very good at what he does but can't write a decent essay explaining the symbolism in Shakespeare, is that reason to make him flunk out of school, with all the attendant baggage that brings?
Students are people, and people are not equal in terms of ability.
of course, jennifer. i meant no offense.
cheers,
drf
Does anyone know where I can find exactly what schools in NJ made the list?
Curious-fella:
That would be useful info, wouldn't it? I tried, but damned if I can find it. You can try this page as a start...
http://www.schoolresults.org/App/SIP/SPSServlet/LocationLevelsRequest?StateID=31&LocLevelID=118&
... but as far as a simple list of "here are the NCLB-designated 'persistently dangerous schools' in New Jersey," if there is one, they sure haven't made finding it easy.
Jennifer:
I think the italicization worked fine as it was, anyway.
I concur on the breast/fruit revision, especially considering that we've established you as a petite 106-pounder. We don't want you toppling over. Especially with those high heels and high-heeled boots you constantly wear.
(Probable threadkiller.)
Stevo-
The ability to simultaneously wear high heels AND high-heeled boots is yet another one of my powers.