Considering neither of them said a single thing I wanted to hear…

…and that I'm judging them solely on body language and performance, I still think Bush took it, though not by as wide a margin as I thought during the show. I think it's pretty clear the timber company dustup will be the evening's rerun moment, and that was a solid hit for Bush, whatever the $84 worth of facts may actually be.

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[aix42]

The timber thing is wierd, but Bush seemed to repest talking points, Kerry did too, but also spoke to the questions, on content Kerry was less robotic. Big mistake by Kerry is saying Bush stops Stem cell research, he just stopped Federal Funding of it, if it will cure Fox/Reeve [eye roll] I think some VC should reap the easy reward. I really think Kerry won, comming from the viewpoint of a filthy prescription drug sellin Canadian. Oh yeah, aside from robbing the rich, maybe some of that drug war money could be used to secure the bridges and chemical plants, oh and eleminate all that black market cash for evil terrorists that us Pot heads are responsible for. Who's gonna lob the Drug War question? Huh!?

[Mo]

Oddly enough, the timber story actually comes out in Kerry's favor.

[joe]

"...whatever the $84 worth of facts may actually be." Don't be so sure. The facts bit Cheney on the ass for his only "solid hit."

It will be interesting to see how this turn out.

[Fodderstompf]

Tim Cavanaugh writes:
I think it's pretty clear the timber company dustup will be the evening's rerun moment, and that was a solid hit for Bush, whatever the $84 worth of facts may actually be.

Kerry was right; Bush won by making a stupid joke. Par for the course, I guess.

[Jon H]

OT: EarpieceGate has made it to the New York Times.

[small business owner]

It is not the fact Bush made only $84.00 in timber. It is the fact that his administration is coming up with 900,000 small businesses by counting people who should not be considered small businesses. Do you think Bush's "small business" will create jobs if his tax cuts stay in place since it appears that Bush is unaware that acording to his administration he is a "small business" owner.

[t]

This thread is running on two postings

S-Corp" from factcheck.org

(Update, Oct 1: The Tax Policy Center refined its estimates after we posted this article and came up with a figure of 471,000 small employers who would see a tax increase under Kerry's proposal, including an estimate of sub-S and partnership filers who have employees. Buy this estimate, the figure used in the Bush ad is nearly double the real number.)

If you are a small business that has any number of employees (i.e. jobs) - you should have at least 200K on your tax return - you can easily have 200K on our tax return and no real income - especially if you are a manufacturer and have inventory (this gets counted as income) This type of business is EXACTLY the type of business that Kerry was complaining about leaving the US and his proposal will hurt them.

P.S. George Bush did not explain this well - as if that is new news.

[skippy]

You live in a completely different universe than I do Mr. Cavanaugh.

[dbt]

t -

Of course, in Kerry's defense, taxing that income will encourage people to write more off, perhaps by employing more people, ergo more jobs!

Raise taxes and encourage hiring, win-win.

(I'm only half-unserious)

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