Intelligence Roudup
From the Christian Science Monitor, a roundup of the week's intelligence news, including the Pentagon's seeking the ability to circumvent existing Privacy Act requirements that they identify themselves when seeking intelligence on U.S. citizens in the U.S. A couple of excerpts:
Currently all military intelligence organizations must comply with the Privacy Act. The act is a Watergate-era law that requires that any government official who is seeking information from a resident of the US disclose who they are and why they are seeking the information. But Newsweek reports that last month the Senate Intelligence Committee, in closed session, added the provision that would exempt the Pentagon from this restriction. The bill is S.2386, in specific Sec.502 - Defense intelligence exemption from certain Privacy Act requirements.
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A report by the Senate Intelligence Committee says the provision would allow military intel agents to "approach potential sources and collect personal information from them" without disclosing they work for the government. The justification: "Current counterterrorism operations," the report explains, which require "greater latitude … both overseas and within the United States." … Pentagon lawyers insist agents will still be legally barred from domestic "law enforcement." But watchdog groups see a potentially alarming "mission creep." "This… is giving them the authority to spy on Americans," said Kate Martin, director of the Center for National Security Studies, a group frequently critical of the war on terror. "And it's all been done with no public discussion, in the dark of night."
The article also goes on to discuss controversy over what some see as an attempt to make military intelligence trump civilian intelligence, through the office of the undersecretary of defense for intelligence, currently held by Stephen Cambone. The article quotes former congressman and current civil liberties watchdog Bob Barr on this:
If in fact [Rumsfeld]and his military intelligence team, headed by [Cambone], are able to take advantage of the leadership uncertainty at the CIA, and if Mr. Bush allows this to happen or encourages it by naming a military person to replace Mr. Tenet, then the goal of a truly independent foreign intelligence apparatus to serve the president objectively ? a goal the Defense Department has resisted for 55 years ? will be unceremoniously laid to rest. The mistakes of the past will be, sadly, then repeated.
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Only the guilty have anything to hide!
What are YOU guilty of, Mr. Doherty, that you would oppose this effort by our democratically elected government's efforts to fight terrorism? HMMMMMMMMM? 😉
What is REASON posting this fluff, when Putin spilled the beans that Iraq was targetting America with terror strikes, and that Russian intelligence told us this right before we invaded?
Come on guys, cat got your tongue?
Hmmmmn?
Sorry, should be "Why is REASON posting this fluff"
Matthew,
Some blogger will write something about how Putin hasn't said exactly when Iraq was preparing the attacks, and that it was probably not until they were provoked into it by Bush's belligerence. Then they'll link to that.
Alternatively, some blogger will produce a long detailed study, which takes an hour, about how unreliable Putin is when making statements of this kind.
Or perhaps they'll link to an incoherent screed about how this is the obvious payback for Bush's collusion with his petro-dollar cronies to buy more oil from Russia to help releive the current oil crunch. But they probably won't go that far.
Come on Julian, come on Tim! Penny for your thoughts!
Come on! We want knee jerk, reflexive talking points!
Knee jerk!
Knee jerk!
Knee jerk!
alright, since this is the second H&R post you've tried to hijack talking about the Putin story, I'll assume that you scoured the internet and couldn't find any other message boards where they were talking about the story.... I'll bite: What exactly does the Putin story prove? We already knew Bush was misinformed by British intelligence, we already knew Bush was misinformed by his own military intelligence from the pentagon, we already knew Ahmed Chalabi sold him a bill of goods about Saddam's capabilities. They all turned out to be wrong.
So now Putin chimes in "me too, I was wrong too!" and this is world changing news?
I've already given you 3 talking points, joe, it's safe to discuss it now.
"So now Putin chimes in "me too, I was wrong too!" and this is world changing news?"
That's funny. You must be employed to do this somewhere, right? Why haven't you gotten joe his talking points yet? He's got to be on your mailing list.
c I missed the part where Putin says his intel was wrong.
Have you finished _The Connection_ yet?
Oh, and c I did find some other boards talking about this story.
I just want to see the antiwar REASON folks eating some crow, seeing as their party line for the past 6 months was "no connection to anti-American terrorism". The two Youngs excepted, of course.
OK, I'll bite: Why haven't we heard anything of this before? Why didn't even Bush whip this out before? How come the White House seemed to be taken by surprise by Putin's announcement?
I'm sure there's no quid pro quo involved in this extremely tardy revelation, nothing about turning a blind eye in Chechnya or letting the Russians back in on Iraqi oil. Nah. Stephen Hayes and Laurie Mylroie Vindicated!
So much for "Intelligence Roundup."
Even Jonah Goldberg isn't swallowing this hook, line, and sinker: http://www.nationalreview.com/thecorner/04_06_13_corner-archive.asp#034130
Why don't you go bitch at him, Cromer?
Apparently, Putin's "warning" is news to the US govt:
http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/story.asp?section=Breaking&storyId=880933&tw=wn_wire_story
Wait, weren't the Russians set to profit from Iraqi oil contracts under a Hussein regime? If the Iraqis were planning terrorist attacks against the US, why did they oppose the UN Resolution for war? (I know I answered my own question)
If what Putin is saying is true, that means he knew Iraq was planning attacks on the US, but opposed us doing anything about it. Either Putin is full of shit or he's opposed to our self-defense. Either way, we shouldn't trust him. If the French had the same intel, I'd be pissed at them as well (and there'd be calls for invasion at the fringes :D).
Putin's fishing for some payback and if I was the Bush administration, I'd leave him hanging. The UN vote was far more valuable than this "defense" over a year after the war.
With friends like Putin, who need enemies.
It's obvious why Bush didn't spill the beans. Putin asked him not to.
As for State being out of the loop -- is that a surprise to anyone? Why would anyone tell the State Department anything that involved supporting the Bush administration policy in Iraq?
Jesus, Cromer, your skill for self-deception is truly extraordinary. And frightening. look at what you just wrote:
"Why would anyone tell the State Department anything that involved supporting the Bush administration policy in Iraq?"
Yeah, why would anyone tell the fucking State Dept. about a credible threat of Iraqi attacks? Seems downright loony!
I certainly hope Cromer is just a troll. It would be frightening if anyone actually thought believed that.
Not even Ahmed Chalabi's people, who have Iraqi Intelligence's records archive, have made this assertion.
Could be true, I guess. Take Putin at his word? I don't think so.
MB,
Obviously I am being sarcastic, but it's pretty clear that the State Department is not very supportive of US policy in Iraq.
Intelligence like Putin gave, that has to be kept secret, is not going to be given to mid-level bureaucrats at State.
WTF, Cromer? Why would this have to be kept secret for so long? Why wouldn't Bush have used it, just like all that bogus shit from Chalabi and the Brits, to bolster his case for war, or at least defend himself sometime over the last 15 months?
Everybody knows I'm a troll.
Guess who my template is?
That's right, Matthew Cromer.
Mr. Cromer might be serious, but I'm not. And he's the guy I modeled myself after.
This is the last you'll ever hear from me, btw. Guys like Matthew mean I'm redundant. And I can only spew so much bullshit before I get bored.
I think I'll just ignore any posts from Matthew Cromer from now on.