The market really does produce rational results!
"Movies are America's most populist art form, and the battle over widescreen pitted film geeks against the masses," writes Bryan Curtis in a Slate article about the triumph of the widescreen DVD format. "How did the geeks win—how did widescreen become the dominant way to watch a movie at home?"
It's true: Widescreen, letterboxed DVDs now routinely outsell "fullscreen" pan-and-scan. Even Blockbuster, once the nation's champion of fullscreen dumbdownification, has relented, and now favors widescreen. Curtis' explanation:
One reason, perhaps, is that big-screen TVs have eliminated the aesthetic problem with widescreen viewing. Televisions have plunged in price in recent years, allowing buyers to take home larger and larger sets. Since the major complaint about widescreen DVDs is the smaller picture, super-sized TVs point the way toward nirvana: On a 55-incher, widescreen's black bars are a minor irritation. Plus, there's the emerging line of widescreen TVs, which for most widescreen DVDs will eliminate the black bars altogether.
There's a bigger factor behind widescreen's triumph: what you might call the continuing education of the filmgoer. If casual movie fans prefer pan-and-scan and film buffs prefer widescreen, then one way to tip the balance is to turn the casual fans into buffs. The DVD format seems to have had precisely that effect. When you sift through Amazon.com's sales data, it's no surprise to find that for so-called "geek" movies—say, The Lord of the Rings—the widescreen disc outsells the pan-and-scan. But what is surprising is that when you call up films that aren't the province of geeks—say, Miracle—the widescreen version still comes out on top. Why? Well, the extras offered on DVDs give customers access to intellectual resources they never would have dreamed of with VHS. If this has not produced more discerning cin?astes—Scary Movie 3 outsells The 400 Blows, and it always will—then perhaps it has at least produced more discerning customers.
Of course, if you want to be a real cin?aste, you can always claim that widescreen itself is an excrescence, that movies never should have abandoned the "golden ratio" of 1.33 to 1. Fritz Lang, one of the few dissenters when Fox introduced CinemaScope (2.35 to 1) in 1953, claimed the format was only suitable for funerals and snakes. While you might not get much mileage out of that argument, I think there's a good case to be made that the modern "normal" ratio of 1.85 (which replaced 1.33) is inferior to the old format, since it's produced by merely masking the top and bottom of the movie screen.
Though I was an early convert to widescreen snobbery, I think there's always been a paradox in that position. Fox introduced CinemaScope specifically to compete with television, by producing a picture the small screen couldn't reproduce. I always thought the TV guys' "tough titty" response to this controversy was understandable: If you want to outdo TV, you have to suck it up in the home entertainment market. In any event, the forward march of technology has once again obviated a bitter controversy. And the once-celebrated "Letterboxing Is Censorship" guy can ride off into the inexpertly cropped sunset.
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Yep.
Relax and ejoy it.
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Now, if we could just lose traffic signals, cars at intersections could progress so much faster.
Not necessarily. Every car would have to stop at all times, regardless of the road it's on. However, turning red lights into alternating stop signs might be a good idea in a number of places.
Eric II
Thanks for rising to my bait.
Have you experienced a round-about?
They are not common in the US.
Then imagine this: could a simple, cheap "yield" sign alert motorists as to which of two intersecting roads is likely to be the more heavily traveled?
But we both know highways will never produce rational results so long as they are government-owned.
Not all of us have big-screen TVs. I always make sure a video is reformatted before I buy it, because I don't care for the "artistic" thrill of feeling like a pervert squinting through a keyhole when I watch a movie.
And Fritz Lang was right. On the typical multiplex microscreen, that 1.85 movie spills off the sides, anyway. So you'd actually be seeing more of the original in the reformatted-for-TV version.
"Though I was an early adopter of widescreen snobbery, I think there's always been a paradox in that position. Fox introduced CinemaScope specifically to compete with television, by producing a picture the small screen couldn't reproduce. I always thought the TV guys' "tough titty" response to this controversy was understandable: If you want to outdo TV, you have to suck it up in the home entertainment market."
What the hell are you talking about?
Have you experienced a round-about? They are not common in the US.
For some reason, there are a lot of "round-abouts" in Maine.
P.S. "Cinema" is for poofs and ponces.
P.S. "Cinema" is for poofs and ponces.
Not to mention fops and dandies.
The thing that really bugs me about this is the headline seems so surprised.
Don't forget the nancy boys!
I know of roundabouts in Richmond, Va, Charlottesville, Va and Washington DC.
So, a movie with a ratio of 1.33 to 1 can show more than 1.85 to 1?
Europeans have had a significant advantage wrt widescreen, for several years.
They've been able to buy relatively cheap, sensibly sized widescreen tube TVs.
I have no particular desire to have a huge TV. For one thing, sooner or later, you'd have to move the damn thing. Nor do they make much sense in a typical apartment.
Nor do I want to spend over $1,000 for a TV. I would, however, like to have a reasonably-sized and priced widescreen TV for watching movies on disc.
Mainstream TV manufacturers have had different product lines for European customers, which included widescreen sets not available in the US at all. These were widescreen, but weren't high definition; evidently, Europe is using a new non-high definition TV format which is widescreen.
So they could get a 24" widescreen TV for under (the equivalent of) $500.
The US is just now starting to get widescreen sets approaching that range, but you're usually still paying a premium for High Definition, though I'm still not sure what the value is of it.
Now if they could manage to fill that ratio with something worth watching.
I've always thought comics would sell better if they were stapled at the "top" and opened lengthwise. Marvel tried this with something called "Marvelscope" a few years ago but the stories were awful.
Not to mention all the snobbish pseudo-cineastes who complain about how the DVDs of all those classic early movies have been "mutilated" by being "chopped down" to a mere 1.33:1 aspect ratio in order to please the TV-besotted masses...when in fact those classic flicks were ORIGINALLY MADE in 1.33:1.
If you think the widescreen picture is too small, you can zoom in with your DVD player. However, if you have a fullscreen disc but want to see the edges that were chopped off, you're out of luck.
So, at least for DVDs, widescreen is obviously the better choice.
I'm a widescreen man despite only having a 21" monitor to watch movies on, mostly because I want to see the picture HOW THE DIRECTOR COMPOSED IT. There are a lot of movies in which some shots just plain don't work cropped or in pan&scan (2001, for example).
And roundabouts, ack. Trying to merge from a dead standstill into a bunch of people either racing past at 50 mph or trying to exit just past where you're entering...no thanks.
Ironic that on TV, letterboxing is still mostly used for stuff produced *for* TV -- HBO series, music videos, etc.
In the movie "To Catch A Thief" Alfred Hitchcock has a cameo appearance as a man sitting by Cary Grant on a bus. Hitch's appearance is on the edge of the screen, and it's not visible on the non-widescreen version.
It's not so much an argument about which format is better or which ratio is better. Like JD says, it's a question of being able to see the film in the format in which the director composed the film. For example, Kubrick filmed "Eyes Wide Shot" in the standard TV ratio so there is no "wide-screen" version. You actually see more of the image Kubrick intended on the "full-screen" video than in the theatre version.
Jeff: The Sopranos is shot in digital HDTV, which typically has a different ratio than normal TV. HDTV's "natural" aspect is 16:9, more or less like movies, rather than 4:3.
"you're usually still paying a premium for High Definition, though I'm still not sure what the value is of it."
HDTV is vastly superior to standard for watching DVDs. Also, you can get a large HDTV at Costco for about $700.
Maybe the manufacturers don't sell small, cheap TVs in the US because we've all got a lot more money than those pathetic europeans. No one can even afford a decent sized car over there. Just pathetic.
rvman:
Thanks, that's interesting. Apparently, pay cable is ahead of the curve in supporting HDTV, which is appropriate, and probably a good thing. Until the price drops some on HDTV equipment, I guess I'll continue to be put off by the black bars at the top and bottom of my screen. On the other hand, since the final season of The Sopranos apparently isn't coming out until 2006, I won't be annoyed for a while, or for very long.
Wouldn't the golden ratio of 1.6 work better than 1.8?
"Televisions have plunged in price in recent years"
Yeah, why is that?
As for intersections, four way stops are more efficient for low volume crossroads, lights for more heavily travelled roads (and absolutely necessary if there are four- or more-lane roads involved). Traffic circles are great, for big roads and small, except that they lock if the volume gets too high.
Seattle has some nice neighborhood roundabouts in urban areas. Just a circle in the middle of an existing, right-angle four way intersection, designed to calm traffic. Putting stop signs every block, the solution called for by neighborhood types who don't really know about roads, doesn't work, because after a certain number of them go up, everyone just ignores them.
Heck I didn't even know about "Pan & Scan" until college. Once I learned what that did to the movies I swore to always get widescreen wherever possible.
"On the typical multiplex microscreen, that 1.85 movie spills off the sides, anyway."
That is the projectionist's fault. I make a point of avoiding one local theater where the stupid kids who run the projectors always get the aspect ratio wrong. Those damn kids don't even know the difference between anamorphic and flat lenses.
Also, I notice that the local Blockbuster is now carrying unrated and NC-17 versions of movies. I guess Blockbuster relented on its "no NC-17" policy, too.
If it's the unrated version, it's not NC-17.
"Mr. Simpson, you're the best kind of correct: technically correct."
I hate letter-boxing. I didn't pay good money for a big-screen TV just to watch movies through a crack in the fence.
And I love pan-and-scan. Makes those boring so-called classics look more like MTV.
I always look for OAR. But then, I'm an intentionalist.
Yay for widescreen. Watching a movie in pan and scan format makes me nauseous. Nothing worse than all those unnecessary camera movements. I keep craning my head to look for the rest of the picture off to the sides of the TV, but it doesn't work. I won't watch a movie anymore unless it's OAR.
As has been previously stated, it's about getting the frame as the director blocked it. Anything else is wrong. My first DVD player was a drive in my computer back in '98. I watched movies on a 15 inch computer monitor and ate it up. For the first time, I could see the whole picture at home.
Wonderful stuff.
What's interesting to me is that some of HBO's series, including The Sopranos, are presented in less-than-fullscreen. I don't know what the exact ratio is - it doesn't quite appear "letterboxed" - but what is the purpose in presenting original-broadcast television shows in other than fullscreen? I find the blcak space at the top and bottom of the screen offputting until I get into the story.
Letterbox reminds me of early MTV, back before it sucked.
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Franklin,
Thanks for the info. Sounds like you have an inside perspective on it.