What a Wonderful Way to Say We Love You

Last night President Bush said "drug testing in our schools has proven to be an effective part" of "our aggressive community-based strategy to reduce demand for illegal drugs." He proposed new funding "for schools that want to use drug testing as a tool to save children's lives," explaining that "the aim here is not to punish children, but to send them this message: We love you, and we do not want to lose you."

A few minutes later, he told a calculatedly heartwarming anecdote about 10-year-old Ashley Pearson of Lincoln, Rhode Island, who wrote him a letter asking if "there is anything you know I…can do to help anyone, please send me a letter and tell me what I can do to save our country."

That's easy, Ashley. Send me your urine. Because we love you.

Comments

[Uncle Sam]

Lighten up, folks!
If they're not guilty, they have nothing to worry about!
Jeeeez.

[TM Lutas]

Sigh, more ineffective libertarian rants. Bush had possibly the biggest libertarian friendly drug initiative in two decades and you don't give him credit. He called on sports owners to stop steroid use. No laws, no coercion, nothing that would increase taxation, just the bully pulpit.

Give the guy some credit for that. Let's hope that we can move more and more of drug policy to that model. Being anti-drug in a noncoercive way is fully consistent with libertarianism.

On the love your kids thing. I think there's gold to be mined in that statement. Yes, let's love our kids. Yes, let's try to keep them off body destroying drugs. How can we more perfectly express that love as a part of public policy? By moving the expression of that concern and love out of the police station would be the libertarian answer. Don't make fun of those who, desperate to save their children turn to the cops, show how they can get better results absent coercion.

Libertarianism>Libertinism

There's an opportunity here to prove it.

[TM Lutas]

Hmmph, that didn't come out exactly right

I tried for a short hand expression of

Libertarianism does not equal Libertinism

but it didn't come out right

[Steve in CO]

I am sure shareholders of companies like LabCorp were doing handstands last night. Imagine the revenue? Hmmm, think they lobby for this sort of thing?

:-

PS My son is 3, and if I have to eat Ramen Noodles and drive my Toyota till the wheels fall off, he is not going to public school.

[Steve in CO]

I am sure shareholders of companies like LabCorp were doing handstands last night. Imagine the revenue? Hmmm, think they lobby for this sort of thing?

:-

PS My son is 3, and if I have to eat Ramen Noodles and drive my Toyota till the wheels fall off, he is not going to public school.

[TMW in NY]

How interesting that our "fiscally responsible" administration wants to allocate money it does not have toward urinalysis of school children. All this as a debate in the industrial sector over drug testing is emerging. Pre-employment testing has served to screen out the hopelessly addicted, for cause may identify if an employee's substance abuse contributed to a loss event. But as margins decline; the random testing requirements are becoming history. At approximatley $50 a pop for a basic 5 panel urinalysis that does not reveal Escasty or newer "designer drugs", the cost/benefit is deemed unacceptable.
Is this a scare tactic impress upon school children the power of gov't?

[Hank]

Well, let the schools teach Say No to Drugs. But its clear the parents need to start teaching Say No to Government. I would cry with joy if i saw a whole class of 12 yr olds refusing to pee in a cup. Then I would know there is hope for humanity.

[Lonewacko]

Toilets are getting more and more sophisticated. Like the ones that flush themselves automatically using light sensors.

It's just one small step from there to a toilet with built-in facial recognitian and urinalysis. It could also help warn us about impending medical conditions. We should skip this Mars idea and spend our money building that.

[speedwell]

FACIAL recognition?

That's not quite the mental picture I got from thinking about commodes that would recognize you... lol

[Lonewacko]

New space-age toilet will help show our love.

It uses facial recognition because DNA analysis is expensive and takes too long.

[Andrew]

This and the 'roid stuff is "micro-issue" posturing straight out of Dick Morris' play-book. After all, it worked so well for Clinton, with school uniforms and teen smoking initiatives.

Then again, none of this harmless idiocy exactly extingushed liberty either.

[Eric Cartman]

TM Lutas writes: "Don't make fun of those who, desperate to save their children turn to the cops, show how they can get better results absent coercion."

If these folks who throw up their hands in dismay and demand the governemnt raise their children had actually TAUGHT their kids how to think for themselves, make their own decisions, and take responsibility for their actions long before they were offered their first joint then they wouldn't be such losers with loser kids.

If your horse is dfefective you shoot it, right? Well, maybe we should adopt the same policy with children?

It's for the kids!

[rst]

Bush had possibly the biggest libertarian friendly drug initiative in two decades and you don't give him credit

A libertarian-friendly drug war initiative is the end of the war on drugs. Philosophical table scraps from an indoctrinated bunch of old men does not deserve credit. Oooh...he called on sports owners. I'm just so excited I want to get up and goose step.

How can we more perfectly express that love as a part of public policy?

We don't. Such detritus does not belong in public policy. It belongs in your home. Period.

[Jennifer]

Well, schools these days can't afford to buy textbooks or hire teachers or make basic repairs, but at least the President is willing to fund the important stuff. As a high-school teacher, let me say that I think drug testing would improve my students' education far more than, say, reducing my total student load to something less than 100.

[Steve in CO]

Jennifer,

Please say you are being sarcastic, or that my reading comprehension skills stayed home today?

Regards,

Steve

[Steve in CO]

"It's just one small step from there to a toilet with built-in facial recognitian and urinalysis."

Guess I'll just run afoul of John Law by urinating on the ground.

Seriously frightening supposition though. I suppose it will be inevitable that "health sensors," will become a way of life and smart people will continue finding ways to beat the system. I am of course, rooting for the smart folks, not the technology.

:-

[rst]

Steve it is when technology pervades an area of life that it is most fun to circumvent it.

Sadly a time will come when those who choose to circumvent it will all be "terrorists" for little reason other than to get some fat old fuck elected.

Oh well, when in Rome...

[Jennifer]

Steve--Lord, yes, dear, that was sarcasm. If you were a student I would talk in a slow, steady voice about 'context clues,' but then again if you were my student you'd see my face and hear my tone of voice, rather than simply seeing some typed words. Trust me, I looked very sarcastic when I typed it.

[Eat the Young 2004]

The only students that should be taking drug tests is pharmacology students! Meanwhile, our elected polmeisters need to take constitutional tests.

[Ken]

Way to go George. Teach the kids that their bodies belong to the government, before they are mature enough to see through that BS.

I thought that was supposed to be a left wing attitude... although, as has been pointed out in another thread on this site, conservatives only decry social engineering when *their* social engineers are out of power.

[speedwell]

Just had an evil thought...

If the President wants our samples so darn badly, why don't we just cut out the middleman and send them directly to him? A few thousand patriots supplying their pound... uh, _pint_ of flesh? Imagine.

Muahaha.

[Russ D]

Where's Mojo Nixon when you need him?

[D_Hutch]

If drug testing of kids is so important for the future, and the chemical supervision of the workplace so vital, why not mandate all that both branches of Congress, all judges in the Federal courts, the President and his Cabinet be subjected to similar scrutiny?

As a rule, I detest most drug testing. For some (very few) instances and professions I can see some justification, but large scale, blanket drug testing is a wholesale invasion of privacy, period. I say either declare an end to the "War on Drugs" or move the conflict past the front-lines of ordinary people to the politicians and judges who are our supposed glorious leaders in this failed fight.

[Native NYer]

I was going to hold my nose and vote for Bush in November.

After last night's speech, I'll actually take the chance of another attack in my hometown if it gets that ass and his idiot cronies out of Washington.

[rst]

I was going to hold my nose and vote for Bush in November.

Same here. But between the PATRIOT bullshit and that Eurotrash "Tech" Treaty, I'd vote for Hussein before I voted for Bush. I don't like Shiites all that much anyway.

[JSM]

Funny, there was a day not so long ago when parents would warn their children about using drugs. Now, parents are going to be warning their children about having to be forced to pee in a cup due to a policy that assumes they are users.

Lets get real, if we really "love our children," lock them up for their own protection!

[childless for a reason]

Why don't we just eat our young and get it over with?

[Gino]

Usually, some conservative has butted in by now, denigrating Reason's obsessions with drug policy. Since none has yet, I'll give it a shot... Ahem... Ack! Lay off the President! He's just trying to save the children! You're all just a bunch of pot smoking hippies!

[Gino]

Usually, some conservative has butted in by now, denigrating Reason's obsessions with drug policy. Since none has yet, I'll give it a shot... Ahem... Ack! Lay off the President! He's just trying to save the children! You're all just a bunch of pot smoking hippies!

[Kevin Carson]

I'm not wasting any of my urine on Bush. I wouldn't piss on that bastard if he was on fire.

[Swamp Justice]

Won't somebody think about the children?!!

Will these urine tests be able to detect rosemary smokers?

[SteveInClearwater]

On the idea of submitting unsolicited urine samples:

Two weekends ago in New Hampshire there was a major event that catered to college students from around New England. Groups of all kinds were present and the speakers were varied.

Most visible was Students For Sensible Drug Policy. They organized a mass collection of urine samples to be given gratis to one of the key speakers - that would be Bigg Fatt Bill Bennett.....

Oh, and another gag that was played out successfully was when he was doing mass autographs. Kids giving him books to sign like HOW TO WIN AT CASINO GAMBLING and the Main Text For Gamblers Anonymous....When told about the gag later, Bennett confessed, "I don't look at the titles of the books I sign"....Knowing that, I may have to track him down and slip him a copy of IT TAKES A VILLAGE....

[Ashley]

I support President Bush's "War On Children".

[Dan]

Dan, they are called "Freedom Fries."
Don't make me come over there!

Nah, they don't let you fry the "Freedom Fries" unless you can pass a drug test first.

It's French Fries for you, mister!

[Dan]

Why drug test teens? They have the lowest drug death rate of any age group.

Well, for one thing, addictive behavior learned as a child is very likely to remain a problem for the rest of that child's life. Adults tend to be a lot more set in their ways, and less prone to picking up new bad habits.

Also, teens are in a very small time window (age 14-22) where their performance and actions have a massive influence on how the rest of their life will play out. Fucking up and spending five years as an alcoholic or a cokehead when you're in your 30s is one thing; you already have an education and some job experience. But spending five years as an alcoholic or a cokehead when you're a teenager is a good way to end up spending the rest of your life frying french fries.

[chris]

Yes, i need all the help i can get! I need to be saved! If i get caught again for either on- campus drinking or drug use, I get the boot. So please, do all you can to show how much you love me, because I'm much better off at home for a couple of semesters than I am finishing my education. Who exacly is it going to help by suspending me for a year? Me? hardly. My university? I guess the last thing a small state university needs is another student matriculating to grad school. Go figure.

(a different) Chris

[A Republican]

Dan, they are called "Freedom Fries."
Don't make me come over there!

[Brendan Perez]

It's never about punishing young people, unless they fail the test or refuse to take it.
Why drug test teens? They have the lowest drug death rate of any age group.

I found this interesting, I can't vouch for it's accuracy, but interesting nonetheless. It's about false positives on drug tests.
http://www.intuitor.com/statistics/BadTestResults.html

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