Dim Dems Discuss
As with most presidential candidate debates, the real loser was the audience. The winner was probably Al Sharpton, who didn't show up.
It was interesting (read: appalling, boring, etc) to see how the candidates, struggling to differentiate themselves from Bush and from each other, mostly offered up echoes of Bush rather than real alternatives (surprise, surprise in an age of broad consensus about governing).
One development that will bear watching is the evolution of front-runner Howard Dean into a standard-issue Dem circa 1979. His hook from the beginning was that he was an odd, "refreshing" duck--a supposed fiscal conservative who liked guns but wanted government health, etc.
Last night Dean, something of a free trader while governor of Vermont, threw a massive sop to the Dem union base by insisting, "We ought not to be in the business of having free and open borders with countries that don't have the same environmental, labor and human rights standards."
I won't be surprised if a Dem takes the White House in '04, but these folks may be even duller than the seven dwarves back in 1988.
The worst news is that last night's debate was the first of six to occur over the next several weeks. At the very least, they could add a Survivor element to it and vote one person off each round.
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I really wonder how Kerry, Gephart and Edwards expect to define themselves in any stand-out way. At least Dean and Kucinich, unlikeable as they are, actually stand for something. But K, G & E are just DLC clones, and Joe Lieberman has the orthodox DLC market niche carved out for himself already. So I guess Gephart's the DLC clone who's slightly more pro-union, Kerry's the one who's a little more aloof and phony-acting, and Edwards is the one with the Clinton touchy-feely thing.
Anyone else catch Dean's response, a week or so ago, to the charge that he's too liberal to be elected? "I don't care what label you put on me, as long as you call me Mr. President!" I'm not surprised that a politician would think this, but I'm shocked that one would say this out loud, like it's a selling point. Apparently, Dean would join the KKK if he thought that would get him elected.
How are we expected to pay attention long enough to decide who to vote for if they insist on being so boring.
If the Dems can't figure out a way to get a movie star or some other kind of celebrity to run for president, the least they could do is propose an interesting policy like enforced gender declarations at the border or taxing the hell out of churches.
This will at least generate some interest.
Kerry's the one who knows military issues and international relations. Being aloof and phony acting isn't all he's got!
And, um, I think I heard someone say he's a veteran. I think.
And doesn't the DLC hate Gephardt?
The addition of round-robin fisticuffs would increase public interest in the event while teaching us something very valuable about the mettle of each of the candidates.
My favorite part was when Kucinich shouted "We need to take the profit out of health care!" as if it was an applause line, and the audience just sat there. Just another bout of yelling by a wierd, bitter man. He seems to be there to make Gephardt look centrist on unions, and Dean look centrist on foreign policy.
Lieberman's statement of outrage that hundreds of people die in the desert every year trying to immigrate, because of the "tough on immigration" policies of the federal government, made me cheer.
There was a debate? Shit, I was watching football. They had Britney Spears taking her pants off on the mall and Bush saying "are you ready for some football" before hand. Maybe I'll catch the next debate.
The round robin fisticuffs sounds good. If we get to watch failed Hollywood types pound on each other in "Celebrity" Boxing, why not desperate politicians going at it for votes?
This would also improve the quality of debate material:
Dean: "I want to nationalize healthcare!"
Lieberman: "So do I, but can you kick MY ass?"
There was a guy who ran for mayor of Pittsburgh in the late 80's or early 90's, who's campaign consisted mainly of two things. One was his relation (and shared name) with the late mayor Richard Caliguri. The other was his campaign slogan/poster, which had his head superimposed onto the body of a body-builder flexing with the line, "I'll kick your ass philosophically." He didn't win, but perhaps if he had tried fisticuffs.
I don't know about the fisticuffs. I hear Dean bites.
Dang. I missed Britney taking her pants off!
You think Hit & Run has funny headlines? Well I think they don't hold a candle to my SBC Yahoo page, which has this headline for the dem debate:
"Democrats Slam Bush in First Major Debate"