I Was A Teenage Werewolf
The last gasp of bogus Iraq-World War II comparisons was (we can only hope) the notion that the postwar period in Iraq is similar to the "Werewolf" period in postwar Germany (when you'll recall that Allied troops were still being killed on an almost daily basis and Hitler was sending out home videos from his hiding place in an abandoned Fanta bottling plant). This tale has now filtered up from the blogger/columnist level to America's leadership, with National Security Advisor Rice and Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld pointing to the Werewolves in recent speeches. At Slate, Daniel Benjamin puts a silver bullet in the legend of Operation Werwolf, which, it turns out, was manned mostly by underage kids, caused no real disruptions in the occupation, and killed a total of zero (0) Allied troops in the postwar period:
In practice, Werwolf amounted to next to nothing. The mayor of Aachen was assassinated on March 25, 1945, on Himmler's orders. This was not a nice thing to do, but it happened before the May 7 Nazi surrender at Reims. It's hardly surprising that Berlin sought to undermine the American occupation before the war was over. And as the U.S. Army's official history, The U.S. Army in the Occupation of Germany 1944-1946, points out, the killing was "probably the Werwolf's most sensational achievement."
Indeed, the organization merits but two passing mentions in Occupation of Germany, which dwells far more on how docile the Germans were once the Americans rolled in—and fraternization between former enemies was a bigger problem for the military than confrontation. Although Gen. Eisenhower had been worrying about guerrilla warfare as early as August 1944, little materialized. There was no major campaign of sabotage. There was no destruction of water mains or energy plants worth noting. In fact, the far greater problem for the occupying forces was the misbehavior of desperate displaced persons, who accounted for much of the crime in the American zone.
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The Germans were well and truly defeated after a long and iffy struggle, and (if my father's experience is any guide) were often very happy to turn over any Nazis they had around, talk about their long commitment to the Social Democrats, intimate that they _might_ be an eighth Jewish (there's a beautiful U.S. parallel with the last)....
In Iraq, because of the real or perceived imbalance of force in our favor, our victory didn't have the same moral weight. The rapid collapse of their army is ripe for being characterized as a "stab in the back". I would expect Iraq to be more like post-WWI Germany, eventually. The Ba'athists will be able to point to the modernizations of their early years, and gloss over the horror afterward; because they won't be a part of the government, they will have no part in the disappointments inherent in actually governing, especially given the raised expectations attendant to getting rid of the Saddam regime. And if the religious take power, the Ba'athists will have at least a small in on everyone who misses the opportunity to get a decent drink (as Kuwaitis used to do in Iraq pre-1990).
Ultra Montane has put his finger on one of the causes of the current level of Iraqi violence -we didn't beat them hard enough during the war. I am not joking. Historically, nations can be rebuilt mentally and spiritually only after having been broken on the wheel of war. Iraq has not been so broken, due in part to the American humane way of war, to Turkish treachery in not allowing the 4th ID to attack from the North, and to the fragility of the Iraqi army.
We won too fast and too clean. The Iraqis for the most part have not suffered from the war to any notable degree (certainly for many it was no more traumatic than living under the Baathists), and so they will have to have the birth pangs of their new society some other way, likely through a civil war.
R.C. Dean,
Turkish treachery? *chuckle* The Turkish government was loyal to those it was supposed to be loyal to - the people who voted them into office.
"...the total number of post-conflict American combat casualties in Germany?and Japan, Haiti, and the two Balkan cases?was zero."
Comparing the Iraq occupation situation to Germany or Japan is phony from the start. The obvious comparison is Britain's invasion and occupation. After a few decades, even these experienced imperialists gave up and went home.
Bush's crowd will say or do anything to cover up their incompetence.
jean bart
Turkish treachery? *chuckle*
No it was the French and Germans waving EU flag in their face. Europeon treachery.
lefty
If your point is to find an exact analogy to Iraq today then dream own. Bush and Co. are just showing that the aftermath of war is a little "messy".
Rizzo,
I haven't read those books, either. What facts are you speaking of?
The author of Werwolf, Perry Biddiscombe is quoted in an LA Times story dated 8/27 "Postwar Iraq Is No Germany, Historians Say." The werewolves were disbanded shortly before the surrender and there are no documented assaults against US forces after the surrender on record.
There was some resistance which *may* have been former SS Werewolves, but no one really could prove that.
The claim of the RAND report that Benjamin cites, that there were "no post-conflict combat deaths" sounds very suspicious to me. It strikes me more as Pentagon semantics than anything else. More or less along the lines of "collateral damage" instead of dead people.
From the same LA Times story: "For the first month or two after the Nazis' surrender, there were about the same number of sabotage and sniper attacks in Germany as in postwar Iraq. But in Germany, such attacks dropped off after June 1945, a month after the surrender, and for the rest of that year deaths of US troops subsided to "tens," historians said."
It seems to me both Rice and Benjamin are academics who don't like to do their research.
Despite its failure, however, the Werewolf project had a huge impact, widening the psychological and spiritual gap between Germans and their occupiers. Werewolf killings and intimidation of `collaborators' scared almost everybody, giving German civilians a clear glimpse into the nihilistic heart of Nazism. It was difficult for people working under threat of such violence to devote themselves unreservedly to the initial tasks of reconstruction. Worse still, the Allies and Soviets reacted to the movement with extremely tough controls, curtailing the right of assembly of German civilians. Challenges of any sort were met by collective reprisals -- especially on the part of the Soviets and the French. In a few cases the occupiers even shot hostages and cleared out towns where instances of sabotage occurred. It was standard practice for the Soviets to destroy whole communities if they faced a single act of resistance. In the eastern fringes of the `Greater Reich', now annexed by the Poles and the Czechoslovaks, Werewolf harassment handed the new authorities an excuse to rush the deportations of millions of ethnic Germans to occupied Germany.
http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m1373/10_50/66157021/p2/article.jhtml?term=
If your point is that the author didn't do enough homework, fair enough. If your point is that post-war Germany is comparable to today's situation in Iraq, you have some work to do. Strung wire, sugared gas tanks and arson don't come close to the bombings and killings as are occurring there now.
I think the point left unaddressed by rizzo is how much if any of this happened AFTER the Nazi surrender.
Of course, the Baathists never similarly made an official surrender, did they? In that sense, perhaps the Iraq occupation IS similar to pre-surrender Nazi Germany, only indefinitely?
I think Condy and Rummy were making the analogy. It falls flat. Not something I would expect from a pro.
Jean Bart said:
"The Turkish government was loyal to those it was supposed to be loyal to - the people who voted them into office."
Thus the treachery of the Turkish people, which is what he seemed to be talking about. Just because most people wanted it to happen doesn't automatically make it right.
RC is having none of this "Our enemy is not the Iraqi people, just the Saddam government" nonsense. A predictable response to the utter absence of floral wreaths and cheering crowds.
i thik that u need to write about something real
Rayonic Wrote:
"Just because most people wanted it to happen doesn't automatically make it right."
The majority of the U.S. people wanted the Iraq war - you're open to the fact that we were wrong?
Rayonic Wrote:
"Just because most people wanted it to happen doesn't automatically make it right."
The majority of the U.S. people wanted the Iraq war - you're open to the fact that we were wrong?
Rayonic Wrote:
"Just because most people wanted it to happen doesn't automatically make it right."
The majority of the U.S. people wanted the Iraq war - you're open to the fact that we were wrong?
Rayonic Wrote:
"Just because most people wanted it to happen doesn't automatically make it right."
The majority of the U.S. people wanted the Iraq war - you're open to the fact that we were wrong?
Apologies to all, it appears my previous comments were posted 4 times - unsure what happened!