Liberty.Me: Trying to Create a "Culture of Praxis" in a Word-Filled Libertarian Movement

Those wanting to keep up on the latest in communication, practice, and argument in the "liberty movement" writ large might want to check out the new-ish site Liberty.Me, the latest brainchild of hyperoptimistic liberty lover Jeffrey Tucker. (See here for an older Reason.TV segment on Tucker. To me, Tucker will always be the man who taught me that shaving cream was a lie, saving me double-digits in Barbasol bills over the years.)

I chatted with Tucker about what he's trying to accomplish on the site a couple of weeks back by phone. "The Internet is our frontier, exactly like the west was in 18th century," Tucker says. "There's always migration to free spaces as old spaces are corrupted by government." So he wanted to create a "community-based one- or two-way or one-million-way conversation, a living arrangement for people who love liberty of all sorts."

The costs of creating this sort of "multiblogging multisite" have finally fallen to within the domain of the possible, Tucker says, so he saw an entrepreneurial space that's more limited in its ideological scope but wider in its uses than most current social spaces on the internet where libertarians might be trying to communicate.

It's what Tucker calls a "hybrid" model, subscription-based but with "more free content than most. This is outreach on one hand, an attempt to get ideas of liberty into the mainstream, but on the other hand there is a huge private space where everybody has skin in the game, differences between public kinds of engagement and private are really the difference between a dinner party and a day in the park" and he hopes to create a space where communication will be both more open and less negative and trollish with "a core civility to engagement that comes with ownership.  Everyone has a mutual interest in enhancing the value of overall communication" on the site, like a self-selected subdivision for publication and engagement in the vast wild Internet. 

Though it is ultimately a website where people post words and images, in essence, Tucker hopes it becomes an engine of "a culture of praxis" in the libertarian movement, "so we are focused on doing liberty, not just theorizing about it. An attempt to take it to stage two of building real institutions. To my mind this is how liberty is being won in the world; not through big public protests—politics has amounted to so little" but to "innovate, get creative, find ways around the system, find a flaw in the system and exploit it to make your life freer." This is why he's a big promoter of "Bitcoin and Uber and AirBnB.

"I feel like a beautiful model for liberty minded activism is to empower people in their own lives, work on making their own lives freer...rather than narrowly limiting the scope of imagination to attacking the system that is."

It's a combination of an old Karl Hess "living liberty" vision and some Richard Cornuelle "we have to show the world how a libertarian polity would work" ideas and its worth applauding. Available on the site, amongst many interesting discussion boards and personally produced content, and sets of "Liberty Guides" on practical matters ranging from Bitcoin to dealing with police, from gun purchasing to rhetoric, from job hunting to peer-to-peer lending to "digital couponing." It has an interesting groovy counterculture feel that tries to root itself not just in talking—as interesting as talking is—but to life-as-lived.

Tucker says they were at 3,000 paid users a couple of weeks ago, a virtual "city that is both public and also brilliantly private in actual mechanics and operations."

Check it out yourself to see if it's worth your time. 30-day free trials are available for the pay parts.

"Everything I've ever done has taught me three things are amazing in the world," Tucker says. "Commerce, technology, and crowdsourced information. Those are three things I think are the driving force of history. What I tried to do with Liberty.me is put all three in one piece of digital real estate."

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  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    Libertarians from Maine?

  • sarcasmic||

    That would be ME, not Me.

  • ||

    Libertarians from Montenegro?

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    By the way, Montenegro wants to remind you that their national anthem is better than yours:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPtPjMdtofk

  • ||

    The bus driver let me off outside of Podgorica and made me walk six blocks to the bus depot. Every wall, the backpacks on the kids in front of me, the benches all had swastikas on them. Everyone in UN building in Kosovo said "Oh Montenegro is beautiful, just don't spend a minute more than you have to in Podgorica!"

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    Well, that's too bad. They better give their national anthem back to Thorin Oakenshield.

  • Los Doyers||

    Farrrr overrrrr, the Slavic Mountains colddddd

  • Los Doyers||

    While I've yet to try the no shaving cream method, I will say that four blade disposable razors are a racket. Buy a double edged safety razor for $45, and you'll never have to drop the beaucoup bucks on disposable cartridge razors again. Plus the shave will be closer.

  • ||

    Damn it. I need to get a replacement for the head on my safety razor. That thing is great, and I'd be able to avoid verbal abuse from GILMORE for my manicured neck-beard.

  • Hugh Akston||

    Is that why you have that filthy beard, because you're too lazy to get replacement razor blades?

  • ||

    No, the filthy beard is because it's manly and bitches and bros swoon for that shit, yo.

    No, I'm missing part of my Merkur Futur. And that's why my neck beard is clipper-trimmed instead of shaved. If it were a matter of getting blades I would've done it.

  • Hugh Akston||

    Whatever dude. Women don't like hair. They like smooth. All over. They want to be able to close their eyes and believe they're with a 12-year-old boy. Especially when he starts to cry.

  • Christophe||

    That's not women, that's Warty.

  • ||

    Shhh. What he doesn't know won't hurt him...much.

  • Bobarian||

    Hugh closes his eyes and tells himself it's love.

  • Sudden||

    Wait, people still shave? I hadn't realized that seeing as I'm surrounded by hipsterism in the area of the planet I inhabit.

  • Los Doyers||

    Shave their beards and they have no power!

  • ||

    The pure awesome of shaving!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hhs4ddwJHFc

  • ||

    Note: One day I will ask Jesse:

    "Excuse me, do you hate freedom?"

    One day.

  • ||

    I think we all know the answer is yes. The only reason you're not living in the People's Democratic Republic of Jessestan is because I'm very, very lazy.

    I'm going to assume that the ad is being ironic when it says "none of these jet-powered, radio alarm clock, blades up the wazoo, razors for this face" when the Quattro was an attempt to one-up the already pointlessly excessive Mach 3.

    Schick's post beard campaign is better.

    Free your skin!

  • ||

    I'm going to assume that the ad is being ironic when it says "none of these jet-powered, radio alarm clock, blades up the wazoo, razors for this face" when the Quattro was an attempt to one-up the already pointlessly excessive Mach 3.

    I have been using Remington hair clippers http://www.remingtonproducts.c.....ipper.aspx
    for the past 5 years to shave so I have no idea.

  • SusanM||

    Lukewarm water (if it's too hot the skin swells a little leaving some stubble when it cools), Ivory soap lathered lightly and any twin razor - with a spare toothbrush or something similar to clean the gunk between the blades and sharpen them slightly. All you'll ever need.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    A toothbrush sharpens? I had heard that about denim...

  • SusanM||

    Not very well but it adds a little life to a disposable blade.

  • Los Doyers||

    I was under the impression that thoroughly drying the blade would prevent rust, and therefore keep it sharp.

  • ||

    I've read that drying it and storing it in a bit of mineral spirits is very helpful.

  • Sevo||

    Jeeze, just cut a bit out of the monocle budget and buy a damn razor blade.

  • Lady Bertrum||

    Today I had my bikini area waxed, so now I feel all close you guys with our shared hair removal experience.

    This is way there ARE libertarian women.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Your sons don't know you post here, right? So they aren't going to have the misfortune of reading that?

  • Lady Bertrum||

    There are many things my sons just don't know. Shhhhhhh.

  • SweatingGin||

    MOM?!?

  • Lady Bertrum||

    MOM?!?

    Go to bed!

  • Almanian!||

    Don't worry. He's in bed. With Epi's mom....

  • Dances-with-Trolls||

    I guess I'm one of the blessed few who can shave with cold water and a single blade disposable by rubbing it straight up and down on my face. I never got the fuss.

  • Dweebston||

    Unfortunately, those of us like that can't grow facial hair to save our lives because it comes in so fair and light that we look pubescent trying to grow it out. Add to that a dogged refusal to curl at all, and I'm just better off shaving.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Tucker is quasi-right. If you have his texture hair, then you can shave pretty much how you want, but for those of us with, *ahem*, "ethnic" hair (i.e. anyone who hails from longitudes south of Sicily) then it is an absolute must keep on using the hot water and shave oil to ensure that the hair remains both soft and lubricated enough to prevent pseudofolliculitis barbae.

    Tucker is absolutely correct in his insistence that after a nice, clean shave one has bourbon for breakfast, however.

  • ||

    Meh, I think I'm mostly Scottish and shaving uncarefully ends with my chin and neck looking like I got assaulted by puberty a day or two later, but I have coarse, slightly curly facial hair. Though it's surprisingly soft.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    That's due to the Scottish werewolf gene, I thought that was commonly understood.

  • Bobarian||

    It's more of a sheep gene, if you catch my meaning.

  • Los Doyers||

    Haggis is illegal!

  • Sevo||

    And properly so.

  • ||

    While in the shower wash your skin well with lots of soap. Soap without moisteners or perfumes is best. The goal is to remove all the oils from your skin.

    Shave immediately after the shower using an old fashioned brush and bowl to make foam with soap. I just drop half a bar of plain ivory soap in there and make a nice foam.

    Shave with a cheap disposable double blade razor and cold water.

    For centuries this is how people shaved. The method was used unchanged for so long for a good reason. The only improvement is the replacement of the straight razor.

  • Los Doyers||

    I have a bowl and badger hair brush, but I use Taylor of old bond street sandalwood shaving cream. That stuff is top notch.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    I knew there was something I liked about you, kid.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    I'm going to like him even more when he finally comes out of the closet.

    He left our oyster bar night early to "go meet up with a girl". He was obviously going home to give his grandma a bath.

  • Los Doyers||

    Do you know how many girls get wetter than Niagara Falls when I tell them I live with my elderly grandmother and take care of her??? I don't have an exact number, but it's somewhere between 1 and 100.

  • Live Free Or Diet||

    Like you, I shave with a bowl and Parker badger hair brush, but it's Crabtree & Evelyn Indian Sandalwood shave soap for me.

    I could shave with just water until my early 40s, but never since. My old Joseph Elliot straight razor is stropped so sharp I can drop a sheet of paper on the edge and it slices through, too, so it isn't that.

  • Los Doyers||

    I've thought about purchasing an actual straight razor. But the whole stropping and sharpening routine scares me more than the actual blade.

  • Overt||

    Next time you are on Amazon, lookup the Dovo Straight Razor with Replaceable blades.

    I totally agree that the downside of straight razors is the care of them, which is why I shave with the Dovos for setting the lines of my beard and shaving the top of my neck (I use the red-insert that uses half a safety razor blade) and then use a safety razor for the curvy part of my neck.

    There is nothing cooler than seeing yourself in the mirror with a straight razor...other than maybe knowing all I have to do is throw away the blade in a couple weeks when it is dulling.

  • mr simple||

    I have the TOBS sandlewood, and it's nice, but my favorite is D R Harris: Arlington in spring/summer and Marlborough in fall/winter.

  • Los Doyers||

    I have the D R Harris sandalwood aftershave, and it's one of my favorites.

  • ||

    Good grief. All you perfumey girls.

    I don't use perfume. Not on my skin, hair, not on my clothes, in the wash, or in soaps, shampoos etc.

    When I walk through the woods I want to be invisible.

  • Stephan Kinsella||

    I cannot agree. I tried Jeff's method, and others. Electric razors suck--the shave is not close. I've tried many. I have somewaht sensitive skin and over the years have realized that the only way to get a smooth shave is to use a safety razor or some type, and to shave against the grain. But they always tell you not to do this. But just like Audi tells you you can lean on the brakes, it's okay--I found a system that is okay with shaving against the grain. The best shaves I've ever found, with almost no irritation, is this:

    1. Get that Gillette Fusion Proglide power razor--it vibrates which makes a real difference, esp. going up.

    2. use shave secret oil. no need for foam etc., or gel, and no need for aftershave. this stuff is great. http://www.amazon.com/SHAVE-SE.....+shave+oil

  • ||

    I used a King of Shaves shave oil for years before it became hard to find. I tried other ones but I haven't liked them. It seems King of Shaves revamped their product line and are selling them through Target now. I might have to check it out again. Great for traveling.

  • Overt||

    I spent about 2 years methodically trying out every technique and tool. I have learned that the BIGGEST impact you can have is a really good shave oil[1], and the second most important item is a decent alcohol-based aftershave.

    [1] Stop shelling out $10 for a 1 ounce bottle of shave oils. For about $30 you can get a 50/50 mix of castor oil, olive (or almond) oil and put it in a big squeeze bottle with 3 oz of Vitamin e oil and drip in the essential (scented) oils of your choice- the wife is fond of lemongrass and lavender. Not only is it cheap, but it might as well be a lifetime supply and you never feel like you have to skimp.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    I might try that. They sell tea tree oil on the cheap at Trader Joe's, and I might mix it with E and baby oil.

  • Overt||

    Prior to doing my mix, I read about what each oil does. Make sure you do that on the intertubes first, so you get all the correct types of oil.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    "Opinion: My Day as a Douchebag

    "by John Scott G on Thu, 03 Jul 2014

    "...I will try spending a day as a RWNJDB (rightwing nutjob douchebag) and see how it feels....

    "Next, it’s off to work where once again I thank God for helping republicans allow corporate entities to arbitrarily raise rates for electricity, water, gas, Internet connections, phones, mobile communications, and so much more....

    "... As a member of the clown car cabal, I’ve got plenty of work to do because each and every day, a conservative must: Deny climate science. Deny fiscal facts about wages. Deny the rights of workers to organize. Deny the criminality of Wall Street and the big banks. Deny a woman’s right to choose. Deny minorities the right to register to vote. Deny the damage from income inequality. Deny rights to LGBT citizens. Deny the need for immigration reform. Deny the need for drug policy reform. Deny the need to close tax loopholes for the wealthy. Deny the need to close tax loopholes for corporations. Deny the need for strong regulation of food, pharmaceuticals, water, banking, and stock trading. Deny the need to remove the five troglodytes — Roberts, Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Kennedy — from the Supreme Court."

    http://enewschannels.com/2014/.....douchebag/

  • sarcasmic||

    Those damn tyrannical libertarians want to force us to stop coercing people, yet they say they oppose the use of force! But they're the ones who want to use force to stop us from using force! That's fucking tyranny! Libertarians are tyrants!

  • ||

    Damn, I'm exhausted just reading that last paragraph.

  • Trouser-Pod||

    I'm exhausted from knowing that shithead exists.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    I'm exhausted.


    It might have something to do with Millenial poll-ooza.

  • ||

    It might have something to do with Millenial poll-ooza.

    For realz!

    They need to stagger the rollout of results so we don't get poll fatigue!

    ...wait. That didn't come out right.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Pole fatigue!!!

  • Sudden||

    Poll fatigue is what happens when Argentina loses to Mannschaft after Messi's PK bounces off the post.

  • ||

    Like a week ago I figured out the ending of this song.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kBX0K9nxPc

    For at least 30 years I thought the sister was hung dead.

  • SusanM||

    Penetrating observation...

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Consistent as I am, it can be frustrating to hold that position without help. I thank you for not slacking in your diligence to support all of Reason's flagging polls, but mine especially.

  • Pope Jimbo||

    I agree the onslaught of poll stories rectum for me.

  • Sudden||

    These poll stories make everyone so anal. You're all too stiff.

  • Bobarian||

    STEVE SMITH LIKE POLING MILLENIALS!

  • Sudden||

    Someone asked me yesterday if I had to choose one, would I prefer to be blind or deaf for the rest of my life. I thought for a second and determined that even if I was deaf, I'd still see stupid shit in print and online constantly and even if I was blind I'd still hear stupid shit constantly.

    So after a few brief seconds, I replied: "Is lobotomized an option?"

  • Cytotoxic||

    What about permanently high/drunk?

  • ||

    A friend introduced me to PornForTheBlind.org I highly recommend giving one a listen.

  • Sudden||

    Dude, audioporn was my idea first in the mid 90's. I envisioned it as the perfect soundtrack for long distance truckers.

    Then the fucking Telecom revolution had to make pornhub easily accessible anywhere around the globe with a cell phone.

  • ||

    How dare technology advance on you.

    *smacking sound*
    yeah baby
    *barely audible thrusting sounds for 7 seconds*
    uuuugh Papi, harder
    *barely audible thrusting sounds for 8 seconds*
    deeper baby
  • Sudden||

    I would include queefing in order to really gain the sound effect of penetration. Even if it ain't exactly the hottest sound in the sack.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

  • Heroic Mulatto||

  • Irish||

    Be honest, which one of you wrote the only comment on that article:

    You earn a living throwing poop.

    You must be very proud of yourself.
  • ||

    Does that person have brain damage?

    Climate science.
    Increasing minimum wage.
    Unions using govt to coerce people into paying them more.
    Absurd regulations for Banks, Wall street, Drug companies, Food, Drugs, Water....ad infinitum.
    Ridiculously high taxes.
    Government spending like a drunken sailor.

    These are the reasons for rising prices. They aren't being arbitrarily raised by evil corporations and banksters.

    He is already a clueless douchebag. Where do these fuckers come from?

  • Irish||

    What the fuck ever income inequality denier.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    "The Selective Service just reminded 14,000 men born between 1893 and 1897 to register for the draft...

    "The Selective Service System, which keeps a roster of potential men who can be enlisted in the military, inadvertently sent out mailings to more than 14,000 Pennsylvania men born in those years, reminding them to register....

    "[Spokesman Pat] Shuback said that the agency uses a two-digit code for the birth year, which is why the years 1893 to 1897 were mixed up with the years from 1993 to 1997. (The agency was actually going to send letters to more than 27,000 men, he said, but they started getting phone calls last week that alerted them to the mix-up.)"

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....the-draft/

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    I don't know about you, but I am all in favor of conscripting zombies and using them as cannon fodder

  • Wasteland Wanderer||

    You need to conscript a necromancer to raise them first, though.

  • Agammamon||

    WTF? Why would they even have these people in their DB?

    You'd think there'd be some sort of auto-culling for those over 25 who are no longer obligated.

    Also:

    Its disgusting that SS has a 92% (est) compliance percentage.

    And fuck Carter. Fuck him in his rabbit-fearing arse.

  • SusanM||

    Easy. Someone needed a job entering 100 year old information.

    As for Carter, he does have a record of Deregulation to his credit.

  • Agammamon||

    And then he goes and reinstates the draft.

  • Cdr Lytton||

    Carter and Reagan (who promised to end SS during the election but immediately changed his position as soon as he got in office AND prosecuted those who failed to register to send a message) can both rot in a fucking hole together.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    The problem stemmed from a coding error involving using only two-digit birth years.

    They meant to send out reminders for people born in 1993-1997 to register.

  • Agammamon||

    Yes, but why would you keep data on people who are not only no longer eligble for call-up but would be long dead by this time.

    Since participation in Selective Service is no longer forced on you once you reach 26 (and how do we draft *kids* until their 26 but say they're too young to have to buy their own insurance?) there's no reason to keep data on people from a CENTURY prior.

  • Cdr Lytton||

    no longer eligble not currently required to register for call-up

  • SweatingGin||

    There's also the death master cd (file now?) that social security publishes -- all the names and SSNs that are listed as dead.

  • SIV||

    Its disgusting that SS has a 92% (est) compliance percentage.

    Lower than I would of thought. Millenials aren't all sheep who mindlessly submit to anything they perceive as authority.

    And fuck Carter. Fuck him in his rabbit-fearing arse.

    Damn straight!

  • Agammamon||

    You can't get your student loan without registering.

    And several states automatically register you when you get a driver's license.

    Add in states like Alaska which make it a requirement to get your slice of the oil money . . .

  • Wasteland Wanderer||

    You can't get your student loan without registering.

    Yup; pretty much the only reason I registered.

  • gaoxiaen||

    What would you do if you were attacked by a rabbit?

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    I'll just say it's about time these old farts stopped sitting in front of the TV in their bathrobes watching Matlock, or lying in graveyards doing nothing, and give back to their country! There are lawns needing to be defended from punk kids!

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    I'll just say it's about time these old farts stopped sitting in front of the TV in their bathrobes watching Matlock, or lying in graveyards doing nothing, and give back to their country! There are lawns needing to be defended from punk kids!

  • Agammamon||

    Yes grandpa, you've told us this story before.

  • wadair||

    Let this be a reminder to Y2K deniers.

  • SweatingGin||

    I got a subscription in the crowd funding via BTC (mostly because of Tucker), and gave away a few extra invites I got with it. Still haven't seen the folks who got them on there, though.

    The chat is neat, and the forums can be good, too. Lots of articles that are worth reading, and I've looted thee book section.

    I quite like it, and I really like the potential. That said, I still haven't spent as much time there as I feel like I should. H&R is still my usual haunt, as well. And being under my real name there changes it, a bit.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    I'll be limiting myself to just one excerpt of derp today. Marcotte on conservatives:

    Stop acting like complete morons and start crafting real arguments that depend on facts instead of shit you just made up. While dealing with the non-stop lying from conservatives is, in fact, enraging, don’t you think it might be even more enraging if you actually put up a real fight? It hasn’t been tried very often, but I’ll bet it would piss off some liberals if conservatives actually tried to make substantive arguments for why pollution is good or why we need to convert to a theocracy, as opposed to being dodgy and spewing bullshit because you’re afraid to make your real arguments. Why not give it a try? It’s bound to work better than this silliness.

    Criticizes conservatives for not making substantive arguments, sets up giant strawman in doing so.

  • John||

    We just are not making real arguments why pollution is good and why we need a theocracy. It is almost as if we are making other arguments or something.

    Does anyone pay her to do this? What does Amanda do? She is not a reporter. She doesn't seem to have any sort of a job that I can see. Is she just a professional freak?

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    I actually sort of admire her since she gets paid to write ridiculous shit despite having zero writing skills or real insight into anything.

    I mean who among us wouldn't want to get paid to tell progressives what they want to hear in a way that leaves them open to mockery? It isn't very hard to bait them into tearing the mask off and showing their truly unhinged nature.

  • Irish||

    Yeah, every time I hear a conservative argument it's all like 'I wish we were more like Saudi Arabia, let's pour nuclear waste in the ocean.'

  • MJGreen||

    It's infuriating that these conservatives won't make the arguments we want them to make!

  • John||

    I know McArdle is a bit of a retard whisperer and is often charged with the thankless job of trying to make rational arguments that Progs will understand. So I really hope that she understands just how horrible this vision for the world sounds.

    For many people, this massive public territory is all the legitimate province of the state. Institutions within that sphere are subject to close regulation by the government, including regulations that turn those institutions into agents of state goals -- for example, by making them buy birth control for anyone they choose to employ. It is not a totalitarian view of government, but it is a totalizing view of government; almost everything we do ends up being shaped by the law and the bureaucrats appointed to enforce it. We resolve the conflict between negative and positive rights by restricting many negative rights to a shrunken private sphere where they cannot get much purchase.

    She is dead on right in that Progs are totalitarians. I just hope she doesn't see this as some kind of reasonable position or harmless quirk because that is how it comes across.

    http://www.bloombergview.com/a.....obby-bully

  • Irish||

    It is not a totalitarian view of government, but it is a totalizing view of government; almost everything we do ends up being shaped by the law and the bureaucrats appointed to enforce it.

    Megan, if everything we do is shaped by bureaucrats, that is a totalitarian society. It's just bureaucratic totalitarianism as opposed to dictatorial totalitarianism.

    That said, I think McCardle is dead right in her argument about how progressives view society. We're all just pieces to be moved around by the state.

  • John||

    She is right. My question is is whether she is really so stupid that she can't understand the point you make or is she just pretending she cant' trying to reach the retards.

  • SIV||

    Megan's stuff since she went to Bloomberg is far better than the crap she used to phone in to The Atlantic.

    I don't know if it's piles of money, a good editor, or both but I've been pleasantly surprised by her work there.

  • Irish||

    I think it's that she's writing for a source that wouldn't run her out on a rail for questioning left-wing orthodoxy.

    It's impossible to write well for the Atlantic any more because any deviation from a very strict adherence to left-wing dogma will not be printed in that magazine or website.

  • ||

    Megan, if everything we do is shaped by bureaucrats, that is a totalitarian society.

    not if they shape it in the way she likes it...then it is only a totalizearian. Much more cuddly and cute then totalitarian.

  • sarcasmic||

    Hey Dickhead. You never responded to this. Specifically the part where you accused me of wanting to control people. Dickhead.

  • John||

    I didn't say you wanted to control people. I said you didn't want to control people and I don't understand how you can't given what a dim view you have of them.

    Read and understand what I am saying before you start calling me names.

  • sarcasmic||

    If I have such a dim view of people, why would I want people who I have such a dim view of to be in control of other people?

    Think about it.

    I once was like Tony, in that I felt everyone needed to be controlled. But then I learned to think. I thought "Who will do the controlling? The same people I don't trust?" Then the epiphany happened.

  • John||

    You clearly don't think of yourself as being stupid. So there some people that are not stupid. Why not put smart people like you I charge to look out for the dumb ones?

    If you don't like the logical consiquences of your claims, stop making them.

  • sarcasmic||

    dickhead

  • Ted S.||

    To be fair, that's a link to one of the posts on the poll. How many people actually read all 754209843258729842769875432675420676543276980 of those posts?

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Libertarians and conservatives are very, very good at unintentionally coming up with absolutely horrible ways of running the world as thought experiments. I recall one "conservative libertarian" I was talking to suggest that the only fair tax would be one on property, and that the best way to make it an efficient tax would be to force the owner to always have their property on sale, so as to ensure that the tax will always reflect the current market value of property and so as to not require a civil service to assess property values. The fly in the ointment, of course, is that every property owner would be forced to make their own property alienable at a certain price whether they wanted it to be so or not.

  • Sudden||

    and that the best way to make it an efficient tax would be to force the owner to always have their property on sale, so as to ensure that the tax will always reflect the current market value of property

    That fails the definition of market value since market value definition, as per The Dictionary of Real Estate Appraisal 5th Ed. defines market value as typically motivated buyer and seller and and both willing parties to the transaction.

    As a real estate appraiser, I'd say I'm comfortable with his scheme so long as I'm one of the beneficiaries with a greater volume of work.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Now that I recall, the friend who proposed this was in real estate...

    *narrows eyes*

  • Irish||

    Brilliant.

    Salon.com
    ‏@Salondotcom
    "It's fair 'cuz government should give us the same stuff": Watch a small child explain the nuances of socialism to these economists
  • ||

    So when is the person who comments here (lurks?) going to reveal themselves as the Salon parody tweeter.

    Pro is it you?

  • ||

    Meet the Guys Behind the Hilarious Salon Parody Twitter Account

    We are roommates. Rob is currently working as a butcher and is an aspiring indie game developer, Jordan edits the opinion section at the Daily Caller.
  • SweatingGin||

    I looked through the salondotcom feed looking for that, but gave up before I got there. That said, the highlight is the retweets from the real salon. Shows just how well they do it.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Butcher? I like the dude even more now.

  • ||

    wait...

    The Whiskey Rebellion had a flag?!?!?

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    With headlines like "Government is Poverty, Anarchy is Success", and articles with passages such as, "No one should raise the stars and stripes on the 4th. The proper flag to raise on the 4th of July is the black flag of anarchy. It’s far more revolutionary than the military colors of the U.S. government. This is especially true, because of the frequent aggressive military actions engaged in by the American state", this seems less like a lived-in experiment of liberty and more like every Lew Rockwell post ever. Sorry, but an extended argument about what holidays are authentically anarchist-friendly is not a long-term path to either practical living or success.

  • Cytotoxic||

    Wait...is that the kind of content on this thing? Call me when they make a version for Objectivists.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Sadly... yes.

    From that same article:

    The fact that keeping around May Day is worth it raises the question of how we can make it even more anarchistic. We can emphasize the role of government in oppressing the working class.


    Though I admit that it might be amusing to hang a black flag next to my Gadsden and PR flags.

  • Cytotoxic||

    Bad thinking and worse writing! Can't wait to avoid it. I'll continue being an Objectivist prick instead.

  • John||

    They are just self loathing anti-American leftists who like to smoke pot.

  • Cytotoxic||

    They really enjoy telling others how to be non-conformist and telling others just how radical they are. It's 'LOOK AT ME' and 'do it my way' together.

  • Cytotoxic||

    Someone else is going to have to try it because I don't trust anyone who's anti-shavecream. That shit's essential.

  • sarcasmic||

    Gel is better.

  • Cytotoxic||

    Looks like the same thing on Google Images.

  • sarcasmic||

    It turns into foam, but it has a different feel to it. Try it. Gel is better. As much as I dislike you as a person, I am actually being nice for a change. Try it. You might like it.

  • Cytotoxic||

    I just checked and I use Gillete's Fusion Hydra gel, so I guess I'm way ahead of you. Thanks anyway. What is non-gel based shave-cream anyway?

  • sarcasmic||

    Some comes out of the can as a foam, while the gel only turns into foam when you rub it on your face. I prefer the latter.

  • Cytotoxic||

    Hmm I'll consider it thanky!

  • GILMORE||

    The gel gets under the small hairs better. People tend to not rub cream in, and just 'pat it on', and it is consequently pretty ineffective.

    If you've ever had a proper barber shave, you will always note = "Holy fuck he rubs it in hard!" - that the creme/brush application is pretty brisk and forceful. No one does that shit to themselves every morning, and just lazily pats their mug. The gel is just a shortcut that forces you to rub it in and lather it more, and it tends to be more effective as a result.

  • Trouser-Pod||

    OT Derp:
    What the hell has gotten into the Kiwis?

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    One party wants to abolish the right against self-incrimination, the other one wants to overturn the presumption of innocence.

    Next up - stop traumatizing victims by holding a trial in the first place - give them each a scimitar and let them cut off the suspect's head without a trial!

  • Trouser-Pod||

    Yeah, and on top of that, both parties seem to agree there is a rape epidemic going on there that can't be handled by their current laws.

  • CE||

    What's a praxis?

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Isn't it the moon of the Klingon homeworld Qo'noS that blows up at the beginning of Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country?

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    That too.

  • Christophe||

    Fancy word for action as opposed to theory, but the kind of action that is its own end (as I imagine living freely is).

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Praxis is a big word that means "doing something".

  • GILMORE||

    It involves Bill Laswell, and wasn't very good

  • Jesus H. Christ||

    Praxis is a concept, first ascribed to Aristotle, which describes a continuous commitment to knowledge creation out of experience. The Praxis Institute was established in order to assist human thinkers in practicing Praxis - in reframing personal and organizational mind sets and in creating new and relevant knowledge out of experience.

  • SIV||

    the latest brainchild of hyperoptimistic liberty lover Jeffrey Tucker

    I hope the "brainchild" works out better than those disastrous Ron Paul newsletters everyone says Jeffery Tucker ghostwrote.

  • SweatingGin||

    I don't buy it. Thinking Rothbard.

    Interestingly, ipad autocompletes that to Rothbardians.

  • MJGreen||

    Huh? Was Tucker active back then?

    Rothbard or Rockwell sound more plausible. Though I thought at least one author was all but confirmed; some conservative libertarian who is a policy analyst these days.

  • ||

    Tucker hopes it becomes an engine of "a culture of praxis" in the libertarian movement, "so we are focused on doing liberty, not just theorizing about it.

    One day, grinding ax
    In the culture of Prax,
    Came a Paleozax
    And a Cosmozax.

    And it happened that both of them came to a site
    Where they met. There they fought.
    Post by post. Byte by byte.

  • ||

    This page (http://liberty.me/) is currently offline. However, because the site uses CloudFlare's Always Online™ technology you can continue to surf a snapshot of the site. We will keep checking in the background and, as soon as the site comes back, you will automatically be served the live version.

    No idea what that means but it sounds bad.

    What the liberty movement really needs an Internet squirrel exterminator.

  • SIV||

    Tucker says they were at 3,000 paid users a couple of weeks ago, a virtual "city that is both public and also brilliantly private in actual mechanics and operations."

    3k? I'd have to see a detailed paid subscription audit before I'd believe it is much more than 10% of that figure..

  • Derpetologist||

    It's time for another exciting game of Spot the Not!, the game that challenges you to separate fake prog quotes from real ones! Two of the following quotes are real. The other is a spoof by me. Can you spot the Not? This round will feature renowned vegetable Nancy Pelosi.

    1. The Bible tells us in the Old Testament, "To minister to the needs of God’s creation is an act of worship. To ignore those needs is to dishonor the God who made us." On this Earth Day, and every day, let us pledge to our children, and our children’s children, that they will have clean air to breathe, clean water to drink, and the opportunity to experience the wonders of nature.

    2. The President's stimulus helped save or create 20 million jobs and is projected by the non-partisan CBO to reduce the deficit by over a trillion dollars in the next 10 years.

    3. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.

  • Trouser-Pod||

    1, I s'pose.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Dos.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    2 is yours.

    1 is someone (probably Pelosi) who's still traumatized by that "values voters" poll from 2004 and decided that what those voters need to enlighten them is more progressive God-talk.

    3 is some Democrat (probably Pelosi) denouncing Saddam during the Clinton years before forgetting her own statements and pretending that Bush came up with the idea himself.

  • Irish||

    I'm guessing three is either Hillary or Biden.

  • Derpetologist||

    And the correct answer is.....

    #2!

    Pelosi has so many dumb quotes that I think she deserves a second round.

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  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    Frankly, these questions are kind of easy. You need to get into the role of a progressive. Take this guy's advice starting at the 1:50 mark:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmHPIPcX3W0

  • Irish||

    2. The President's stimulus helped save or create 20 million jobs and is projected by the non-partisan CBO to reduce the deficit by over a trillion dollars in the next 10 years.

    This.

  • Dances-with-Trolls||

    1

  • Trouser-Pod||

    renowned vegetable Nancy Pelosi.

    I just scanned to find the name, and didn't read that line at first.

    Thank you for that laugh.

  • GILMORE||

    2 is a fabrication. Pelosi doesn not understand what the CBO does or what deficits are.

  • MJGreen||

    The tell is that she claims it is only 20 million jobs and 1 trillion dollars. Was it Pelosi or Feinstein that said 300 million jobs would be created?

  • Xeones||

    I believe it was more along the lines of over 300 million jobs being lost if the stimulus was NOT passed. I remember thinking, huh, so everybody currently working is going to lose slightly more than one job?

  • lap83||

    I'll guess 1 because the last two times were 2 and 3.

  • Derpetologist||

    oops- the answer is in the 2nd post below GKC's pick.

  • db||

    Guys, a while back someone had a variant of rock paper scissors that included a Kennedy and maybe ice cubes or something. Can.ya help a bruder out?

  • Lady Bertrum||

    Whenever I see Jeffrey Tucker I always think he's had one to many champagne cocktails which makes me like quite a lot. Yummy, champagne cocktails.

  • Lady Bertrum||

    ..which makes me like him, quite a lot.

  • GILMORE||

    He does seem like a drunken woman.

  • Lady Bertrum||

    There is nothing quite as charming as a drunken women (that's what I tell myself, at least).

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Real drunk, perhaps. Drunk on girl drinks? Hell, no.

  • ||

    Drunk chicks are annoying.

    ...as are drunk men.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Rule #34
    Never be the sober one in the room.

    Which reminds me, I haven't had a drink in 2 weeks.

  • Lady Bertrum||

    Drunk chicks are annoying

    You're just no damn fun.

  • Sudden||

    There is an appropriate level of intoxication where they're both drunk enough to invite you back to their hotel room, but not yet drunk enough to conceal the fact that they're sisters, thereby causing you to not go for the threesome.

    Still fucking pissed I didn't get my threeway last night.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Ritz Carlton at Staples Center, or an hourly motel on Slauson?

    Just trying to gauge how awesome the threesome might have been...

  • ||

    I'm just wondering what he has against sisters.

  • Sudden||

    Best Western on Sunset, having just left Skybar at Mondrian Hotel and The Foundation Room (with a stop at In n Out so the Aussie girls could experience the most beautiful part of California).

  • ||

    Arn't all the women here drunks?

    most the men are.

    Kibby isn't. though the conversations between her and serious seem far to canned to make me believe she even exists...

    Then again maybe she does exist and serious is the sock puppet.

  • ||

    Maybe she's from Canada.

  • ||

    God jesse. Of course you'd make the musical theater reference...

    Wait, I'm down below. Ha!

  • ||

    Wait, I'm down below.

    What else is new?

  • ||

    That's hurtful, Carl. I'm on top just as often.

  • ||

    Eh, I've met Serious. He seemed like a real person, but one can never be sure if they're just in one's head, no?

  • SweatingGin||

    Oh god... We're all in Jesse's head!

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    She likes her gin. Although it turns her into a giddy mess.

  • Sudden||

    Artist's rendering of kibby after several rounds of gin and tonics, picture, lower right hand quadrant of painting.

  • Sudden||

    lower right hand quadrant of paintinglithograph.

  • Sudden||

    I was supposed to strike painting, like so painting.

  • SweatingGin||

    I have a dog bone!

  • SweatingGin||

    "most the men are."

    Eh? Wha?

  • Irish||

    "The Internet is our frontier, exactly like the west was in 18th century," Tucker says.

    The internet is exactly like the western frontier.

    Exactly. I can think of no differences.

  • ||

    Jesus, Irish, you have Farmville. It's exactly like homesteading. What more do you want?

  • ||

    Farmville. It's exactly like homesteading.

    You misspelled Minecraft.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Less Chinese opium dens?

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    To be fair, he said 18th century, meaning the 1700s. So I don't know, is the internet like the Old Northwest territories of Ohio, Western Pennsylvania, and the lands beyond the Cumberland Gap?

  • Calidissident||

    Yeah that was pretty stupid. Not to mention that the western frontier would be 19th century

  • lap83||

    Who were the trolls of the western frontier? I'll go with coyotes, which are still around. I guess that means trolls will outlast us all.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Who were the trolls of the western frontier?


    This guy

  • Sudden||

    Downtown L.A. recently lost our version

    The outpouring of love for this guy was bizarre, but not so bizarre when put into the context of the people I share this city with.

  • GILMORE||

    Jeffrey Tucker's 'shave' is a lie!

    But hey, whatever works. me personally, when i *did* shave a lot, le creme was pretty much essential stuff. I bleed like a hemophiliac.

  • Derpetologist||

    I have just about stopped using razors. I use scissors to trim.

  • GILMORE||

    Soon you'll discover that Sand has exfoliating qualities almost good as a Loofa.

  • SweatingGin||

    Real men shave with a broken bottle.

    Angle grinder for special weddings.

  • Bobarian||

    Real men shave with a broken bottle their heat vision and a mirror.

  • seguin||

    I programmed my CNC Bridgeport to mill off the hairs.

    MAN.

    MANLY MAN.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Do you have a sand guy?

  • SweatingGin||

    Don't you?

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    I have a meat guy, a gun guy, a beer guy, a beef jerky guy, and a fireworks guy, but no sand guy, yet.

    Maybe I could be the sand guy. The sand here is quite nice. Hawaiian resorts steal it.

  • Derpetologist||

    Know what I'd like to have? A squid beard like in Pirates of the Caribbean.

  • SweatingGin||

    You're going to need a passport... And a visa for... Japan.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    Shave? Why would you want to look like a beardless youth?

    Check this out:

    http://anerdoccurrence.files.w.....beards.jpg

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    I have an electric beard trimmer. My well-kept, reddish beard is probably the main reason I scored an awesome libertarian woman.

  • ||

    See Hugh!

  • ||

    Why again are you trying to score an awesome libertarian woman?

    Stop it. You are just going to fuck her up for the rest of us....and you know, for herself.

  • ||

    Whatever, I could theoretically undo a lifetime of fear of anal in a very short period of time (the secret is not making it a surprise!). Then after the emotionally messy breakup someone else could swoop in with lesser anal skills and no penchant for dick. He could be her hetero hero and she could be comfortable taking dick up the hershey highway. Everyone wins.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Am I the only one who sees how this is horribly, horribly wrong?

  • ||

    Oh, and here comes HM with his bourgeois morality.

  • Bobarian||

    Besides which, any real libertarian woman will want to "return the favor" and peg you like a butterfly in an insect collection.

  • ||

    No, you are not.

    I think Jesse means well, but is culturally confused. I don't drive the wrong way on one-way streets.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Indeed. After jesse leaves its not the anal she'll miss but the having someone who will watch House Hunters International with her.

  • ||

    someone who will watch House Hunters International with her

    No, I'm pretty sure that won't be an issue.

  • ||

    someone who will watch House Hunters International with her.

    This is how they are ruined forever!!!

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    Good news.

    I've been curious as to the details of Boehner's planned lawsuit against executive non-enforcement, worried it would focus on areas where the President's non-enforcement is actually libertarian friendly (immigration, drug) but has been criticized by conservatives. But, the details are out at the link below, he very wisely is going to focus on the ACA. I don't say this a lot, but will today: good job Boehner.

    http://docs.house.gov/meetings.....Res___.pdf

  • ||

    2.

  • ||

    But you say: surely if this were true, it would be common knowledge. Not sure. There are many thing that are true — the state is a parasite on society, private property would solve most social problems, rock music is tedious and stupid — but are nonetheless not generally known or applied. The truth that shaving cream is a racket should be added to this.

    Hmm.

  • SweatingGin||

    Tucker's rant on Eleanor Rigby / Bill Clinton

    I like the song (if heard it too many times) and don't disagree with much in here.

  • NebulousFocus||

    Plenty to disagree with. Facts seem to be difficult for Tucker- Rigby was a Mccartney song.

  • John||

    How exactly do you have private property if there is t a court to sue to protect your rights or any kind of agreed record that gives you clear title such that you can borrow against it? Property rights can't be enforced or enjoyed fully without law. That requires some form of government. If property rights would solve most of our problems, and they would and do solve a lot, the government is not a parasite but a necessary part of a just society.

    Tucker is fucking moron.

  • Overt||

    "Fucking Moron" is a bit hyperbolic.

    How exactly do you have private property if there is t a [sic] court to sue to protect your rights

    This is weak sauce from you. We have all sorts of cool stuff, whether the government says so or not. We all have rights whether a government exists to protect it or not. The Government and the Courts are not a pre-requisite to these rights, and the line of logic you use is basically the same logic that leads people to believe that the Bill of Rights somehow "gave us rights" rather than limited government's ability to infringe upon those rights.

    or any kind of agreed record that gives you clear title such that you can borrow against it?

    This is extra weak sauce. You truly cannot envision a private company that could record title transfers and store them for future purposes?

    Look, I am not an anarchist- I am much more a minarchist, and I do believe there is a proper role for government, especially when it comes to defending certain rights. That said, the poor reasoning in those arguments above really undermines the moron charge.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Property rights can't be enforced or enjoyed fully without law. That requires some form of government

    That's not true, but I'm not quite sure you're interested in hearing the arguments why.

  • John||

    Woot hour law and courts I can only own what I am able through my own force to keep. If I can't go to the cops when you take my shot or I can't get a court to give a final determination of ownership when you and I can't agree on who owns it, I don't really have property rights I an economic sense. If you don't believe me, look how poor countries that do t have a rule of law to enforce property rights are.

    And it is not that government grants you the rights. So don't accuse me of claiming your rights depend on government. Government gives you a way to enjoy and fully enforce those rights.

    Your fucking retards honestly thing property rights consist entirely of standing on your porch with a shotgun yelling get off my land. It never fails to amaze me how little many libertarians understand the very things like property rights that form the basis of their ideology.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Your fucking retards honestly thing property rights consist entirely of standing on your porch with a shotgun yelling get off my land

    Fuck you. There was no need to get all belligerent, and you've just proven my point. Why the fuck should I even bother to present an argument when you're just going to act all surly that someone doesn't agree with you.

  • Overt||

    John, besides being a dick, you are also stealing quite a few bases.

    Every single day, people adjudicate their property disputes with private arbitrators. Somehow, their property rights don't just go "poof" without them.

    To understand how economic freedoms might be maintained absent a government, take a look at the World Trade Organization. They provide a framework of agreements, negotiations and dispute resolution without the ability to "enforce" those results with the barrel of a gun. True, the members of the WTO are governments not people, but that I think is even more illustrative.

    You essentially have hundreds of entities that are armed- many more heavily than others- and sovereign and yet somehow, absent an END ALL BE ALL coercive force to rule them all, they tend to make things work. The WTO enforces rulings by legitimizing trade reprisals (you can levy a 'reprisal' tariff in response to this illegal tariff), suspending or even revoking membership. And the members tend to accept adverse judgements and work within the WTO because the benefits of membership outweigh the costs of being a pariah with no agreements.

    I am not sold on the idea that you can completely obliterate government, but even if you had a legitimized strong man called government that backed up arbitration rulings with force, you would be cutting back the government by huuuuuuge amounts.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Although I don't find any of the an-cap visions of their society either preferable or implementable, I think there's an "is-ought" problem with your statement: property rights (at least to a deontologist) exist regardless of how well they are respected in the real world. More interesting to me is the question of exactly why libertarians believe that the an-cap society is feasible in the absence of the type of "free society" which has never before existed, and how such a society might emerge absent enormous amounts of propaganda, New Soviet Man-style. If the an-caps are right that an absence of government would result in a free market in justice provision, I'm happy to say that I'm not an anarchist: I have no confidence that a libertarian vision of justice will win in the marketplace, and there's no reason to believe that such would be the case in an unleashed market in this area.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    More interesting to me is the question of exactly why libertarians believe that the an-cap society is feasible in the absence of the type of "free society" which has never before existed

    What was the Icelandic Commonwealth, chopped liver?

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    The Icelandic Commonwealth was 1) not capitalist, 2) not libertarian, 3) very isolated from any other part of the world, and 4) ended with a whimper, not a bang when another religion was allowed into the island -- after which Iceland was a desperately poor backwater of Europe until well after the Enlightenment. It's very difficult to see a libertarian condoning most of the events depicted in the Icelandic saga, much less wanting to live in that society. While it was interesting, it at best shows that oligarchic systems of governance are possible in a rural, monotonous society. It is not an-cap wonderland.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    1.) Never said it was. And how it could be before the concept ever existed?
    2.) Never said it was. And how it could be before the concept ever existed?
    3.) Feature, not bug.
    4.) Are you arguing that religious tolerance is a bad thing? Should the Icelanders got all jihad on their asses?

    It's very difficult to see a libertarian condoning most of the events depicted in the Icelandic saga, much less wanting to live in that society.

    By your idiosyncratic definition of what a libertarian is, maybe.

    While it was interesting, it at best shows that oligarchic systems of governance are possible in a rural, monotonous society.

    First of all, not "oligarchic", polycentric and decentralized. Second, I'm not sure what you mean by "monotonous" but if you meant "mountainous", then you are absolutely correct, as Scott has shown in his book on Zomia: The Art of Not Being Governed: An Anarchist History of Upland Southeast Asia.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    1, 2: I'd say it's a problem when anyone is asserting the type of free society that is supposed to counteract the scenarios that have been offered up as problems in anarchy, including but not limited to the possibility that providing "justice" along the lines of a non-libertarian value system may well be more profitable than the converse.

    4: Not at all. The problem is that Iceland was not very religiously tolerant; it effectively went from being a Norse pagan monotone hostile to proselytizing, to arbitrating Christianity as the national religion (and forcibly driving paganism underground) as a result of its neighbors' pressure. To some degree par for the course (and arguably better than what happened on the mainland), but it's one in a litany of areas which a libertarian can hardly condone. And I hate to be That Asshole Who Can't Culturally/Historically Contextualize, but there's a lot of stuff that falls under that category, from slavery to blood feuds.

    From an engineering standpoint, perhaps the worst part was that the courts were often not the final word in justice, with various "extra-legal" methods employed by the chieftain to the ultimate end of subverting the system. (Arguably, this is at least in part what ended the system.)

    Perhaps I am misunderstanding: what do you find interesting about medieval Iceland as is applicable today?

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Heh, I just noticed that Roderick Long is cited in the Wikipedia article on the Icelandic Commonwealth. But I fear we are at an impasse; what you describe as the "worst part" is what I would describe as the best part, that is, a system of polycentric law. And let's not forget the original question, "do you need a state in order to enforce property rights?" I answer "no", and historic examples, like the Commonwealth, and the customary law systems of the Anglo-Saxon tradition, as well as in the Horn of Africa (SOMALIA!), provide support to that argument. Honestly, the question can be boiled down to "do you need the state to tell you 'don't steal'?" How did America function before the establishment of municipal police departments? For most of the Colonial Era, there were no police. Hell, NYC didn't have a police department until 1845! Yet, America wasn't a Mad Max-ian wasteland of mayhem and vigilante justice. How were property rights protected in Early America? The answer lies in the fact that even today, most of our sheriffs are elected positions. From where does that tradition stem? Sounds a lot like the Icelandic thingman, no?

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    "do you need a state in order to enforce property rights?" I answer "no"


    Agreed.

    How did America function before the establishment of municipal police departments?


    Quite well. Modern policing has been an interesting but flawed experiment distinct from a traditional system of courts and in some ways more similar to the rise of the civil bureaucracy. (Bless Robert Peel's heart, but I can't say he did the world a favor.) Courts with a fixed, transparent and specific code (as well as inhered tradition a la Common Law) as a final recourse are more important in some ways than the mode in which that decision is enforced, so long as it can be enforced. Pairing enforcement and courts has also been very effective, IMO. The lawman can't just find himself a new court system if he doesn't like the verdict.

    I believe you're right that we have reached something of an impasse, though. Perhaps my lack of ingenuity is to blame, or merely different assumptions. In either case, very few polycentric legal systems seem appealing or even particularly stable. (The Ottoman millet system comes to mind.) Part of it, as it seems to me, is that ultimately one of those systems will prevail, but only enough to weakly protect what it is meant to protect while the others hold on to enough power to keep the superior system from being enforced. This stasis seems to hold until an exogenous power can impose a more stable equilibrium.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    First of all, not "oligarchic", polycentric and decentralized. Second, I'm not sure what you mean by "monotonous"


    Missed this, sorry. Polycentric is a better word choice. By monotonous I mean that there was not the melting pot (in culture, religion, ethnicity, or other factors) which was present in most of Europe, and that the merits of a method of adjudication which began to fail once one element within this monotone was tweaked (religion) would seem to be a poor test case.

    IOW, countries like Iceland (low population, samey) are the "easy mode of governance" and tend not to be scalable, as we often point out to those who tout the virtues of social-democratic Sweden.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    The Zomia ref is new to me though; I'll add that to my reading list.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    IOW, countries like Iceland (low population, samey) are the "easy mode of governance" and tend not to be scalable

    Who wants it to be scalable? Jefferson imagined America to become a republic of rural gentleman farmers. The idea that liberty is best preserved in a rural, agrarian culture is as old as Rome. I get that not everyone looks forward to spending their vacations living in an off-the-grid yurt while laying the foundations of the hobby farm they'll retire to like I do, but in an An-Cap/Voluntaryist society those who want to live that lifestyle would be unmolested, while those who wished to live a more urban lifestyle with greater civic commitments would have the ability to. So when you present the scalability argument to someone, like me, who believes the largest legitimate social organization should be the hamlet, it only lends support from my point of view.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Scalability would reduce the chance of conquest or interference by larger powers. Certainly I would prefer smaller units of governance, but that doesn't seem to be the hand history has dealt any of us at this point in history.

    I do concur that an anarchist society (probably one of a more communalist and atuarkic bent, IMO) would likely be best realized in a small-scale, rural area.

    It's been an interesting discussion. Hopefully one day we'll be able to see an actual model of it.

  • Wasteland Wanderer||

    By monotonous I mean that there was not the melting pot (in culture, religion, ethnicity, or other factors) which was present in most of Europe

    The word you want there is "homogenous". Monotonous technically works, but is usually used to mean boring, tedious, etc., where as in this specific context "homogenous" is almost always used.

  • John||

    The end state of Marxism is a stateless utopia filled with the new Soviet man. An cap are a special breed of retard that are not even smart enough to understand this state won't just magically occur. Even the fucking Marxists are smarter than that. A caps are so stupid you can only laugh at them.

  • Xeones||

    What is it called when you combine ad hominems, strawmen, and odd spelling mistakes into one failed "argument"? Because that is exactly what you've done here.

  • Derpetologist||

    Time for another game of Spot the Not!

    Pelosi Round 2: The Nancying

    Can you spot the Not?

    1. I believe in natural gas as a clean, cheap alternative to fossil fuels.

    2. Every month that we do not have an economic recovery package 500 million Americans lose their jobs.

    3. Fully-automatic, military-style assault weapons with high-capacity magazines like the AR-15 have no place on America's streets.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    I remember her saying 2 and 1 sounds like the kind of pandering she would say.

    So my answer is 3.

  • Bobarian||

    #3 is Feinstein.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    All right, this is more of a contest. You've taken Keanu Reeves' advice to heart. I'll see what I can do.

    I'm going with 2.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    I thought 2 was a *variation* on something another person actually said. Well, I'm stuck with my answer.

  • Sudden||

    I'll go with #1. She might endorse solar, wind, and unicorn fart energy, but I think the very word gas fills her with visceral rage turning her into a Hulk like specimen because she just pictures a Hummer getting fed 92 octane.

  • ||

    Natural gas was way hip with the Dems before people knew the word fracking.

  • GILMORE||

    3 is Not Pelosi.

  • Los Doyers||

    3. I shared a capitol elevator with her once. I've yet to be around a more shriveled and inhuman cunt.

  • Derpetologist||

    Well, I can see that this is not my night for fooling people. The correct answer was #3.

    Keep in mind that part of the fun is merely presenting the most idiotic quotes I can find.

  • ||

    I remember her saying 2, yet the others are identical in ignorance and stupidity of the same kind. Actually they could all be Maxine Waters, Barbara Boxer or Sheila Jackson Brown ( all from the same hatchery?).

    This is a tough one.

    Toss up between 1 and 3. I am gonna flip and go with....1.

  • Derpetologist||

    Sorry, it was #3.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    HEY GANG!

    Did you know the jaunty opening theme to Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends goes with every rap song ever?

  • ||

    Reminds me of the 4 Chord Song

  • ||

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Music theory is some power stuff, homes.

  • ||

    Amazing, but I beg to differ on "Insane in the Membrane"

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    They get mad when they come to raid my pad and I'm out in the LB&SCR; E2 class. Yes, I'm the pirate, conductor of this train if I get with the ultraviolet dream. Hide from the red light beam. Now do you believe in the unseen? Look, but don't make you eyes strain; accidents sometimes happen on Sodor that make Sir Toppham Hat go insane...

  • Sudden||

    Thank you

  • GILMORE||

    I'm guessing Thomas the Tank engine is ~90-100bpm, therefore ideal rap-tempo.

  • ||

  • ||

    Geez, since you're going to emotionally blackmail us down bel...

    Oh my, that's pretty great.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Facebook satire goes viral: Thousands of people outraged over fake photo of Steven Spielberg posing next to triceratops trophy

    No, superstar movie director Steven Spielberg did not poach a dinosaur and then have a picture taken showing him with his trophy kill.

    The post by Jay Branscomb on his page happened days after Facebook deleted photos from the page of Kendall Jones, a 19-year-old Texas cheerleader and hunter who posted numerous photos of herself posing with a variety of animals that she shot while on safari in Zimbabwe.

    The photos sparked massive outrage from animal-rights activists and other Facebook users.

    So, Branscomb posted the picture of Spielberg with a mechanical Triceratops on the set of "Jurassic Park," the 1993 worldwide blockbuster about dinosaurs being brought back to life, with the comment: "Disgraceful photo of recreational hunter happily posing next to a Triceratops he just slaughtered. Please share so the world can name and shame this despicable man."

    Many users did not get the joke and responded accordingly.

    "I just reported this picture. I hope you all can join me in stopping these cowards," one user wrote.

    And another: "Disgusting! I bet he only kept the horns!"

    Still, there were plenty of others who did get the joke, and had fun with it.

    Nice.

  • Sudden||

    That is troll hall of fame material right there.

  • Los Doyers||

    Are there triceratops still running around down on Costa Rican islands? Or are these fools just that retarded? Or both.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    Defending women against theocracy isn't easy. It's war. Sometimes you have to make the tough choices.

    Sometimes you have to issue death threats to prolife women and their babies.

    http://www.lifenews.com/2014/0.....bby-lobby/

    Sometimes it means screaming at prolife demonstrators peacefully and lawfully stationed near the state legislature, kicking over their signs, and assaulting them. Or as the news story puts it, "A pro-life protest gets out of hand, and now a woman is charged with a crime."

    http://abc6onyourside.com/news.....78i2PldVW-

    Or, as the news story puts it, "

  • ||

    HM, the other day you asked why nobody told you that there's a Skyrim mod that turns dragons into Thomas the Tank Engine.

    Well, I assumed everyone already knew. Since apparently that is not the case, let me also direct your attention to Samuel L. Jackson mudcrabs and squeaky weapons (with a bonus helping of a trololol troll).

    There's also a shout that can make trains fall out of the sky, and a variety of other zany things.

  • ||

    some other crap, including MLP

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Goddamn. That's some hilarious shit. Definitely time for another play-through.

  • ||

    Yeah I am getting tempted to do a third round. Probably not for the sake of joke mods though.

    OTOH, I have a ton of unplayed games in my Steam library, including Oblivion, Fallout 3, Fallout: New Vegas, GTA III and IV, Sleeping Dogs, Thief, and Borderlands.

    Phew. That is actually kind of daunting.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    I don't usually play video games, but I got GTA5 for Xbox, hooked it up to the projector, sound bar, and subwoofer, and played for a few hours.

    I had trouble staying on task, though. Every time somebody walked by, I just had to assault them, so I kept going to the hospital or jail.

  • Agammamon||

    Libertopia!

  • SusanM||

    Playa, that's how a sandbox game works. It's the journey and not the destination.

  • ||

    SusanM endorses punching digital grandmothers!

  • Derpetologist||

    Hey! Stossel is muscling on my turf with his "Real or Fake" game!

  • Derpetologist||

    So apparently, MSNBC has hired a 15 year old to read the news. I'm not sure I can make up something as stupid as this, so I'll just post the link.

    See the 1 minute mark.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfqdXxmWRYw

  • ||

    FYI, if you click Share there is an option to link to a specific point in the video.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Still, the dude got the most epic burn against Woody Allen; "He's my father married to my sister. That makes me his son and his brother-in-law."

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Probably not his real father, though...

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Ronan Farrow likes the '90s, huh?

    Here's 1992.

  • Bam!||

    NBC has a weird fetish for the children of famous people. Ronan Farrow, Chelsea Clinton, one of the Bush daughters.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    NBC has a weird fetish for the children of famous people. Ronan Farrow, Chelsea Clinton, one of the Bush daughters.

    That's because Hollywood/media Progressives sincerely believe in "equality of opportunity", right? They haven't organized their profession in the mold of a Medieval guild of which membership is restricted to the scions of their most powerful families. Nope, not at all.

  • ||

    Huh, you don't think that it's because Anderson Cooper laughing hysterically at a bad bathroom pun is weirdly endearing. I think NBC just wants some of that magic.

    I giggle like a 13-year-old girl meeting Justin Beiber.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

  • ||

    I can't help but associate him with Kathy Griffin.

  • ||

    Facebook's advertising algorithms just don't understand me.

  • Ted S.||

    $24.95 doesn't sound like it would get you much hotness from either gender.

    Yes, I said either gender, cisnormative bastard that I am.

  • ||

    WHY DOES NO ONE APPRECIATE MY BUNNY LINK?!?!

    *runs off sobbing*

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    "Well, hello there, Mr. Fudd..."

  • Bam!||

    You can fit a lot of bunnies into an ammo can.

  • ||

    One of my favorites is the sixth one, where the bunny is fat as hell and there's crap everywhere.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    I like the one in the stockpot. With tequila.

  • lap83||

    the floppy eared one with the revolver is the cutest thing ever

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    One for the road: parody, or Poe's Law in action?

    [...]economists inject into libertarianism their right-wing, republican bromides about “free markets,” as they try to give esoteric economic reasoning as to how things like minimum wage laws affect people’s lives. I suspect they may be conservative reactionaries.

    What a shame to see so many so-called libertarians wading into the dismal realm of economics! And now, I hear some of our brethren are even wading into history and literature! The humanity!

    Let me ask, how is economics relevant to the question of whether force is justified or not?

    [...]

    Why should I, as a libertarian qua libertarian, care about economics, culture, or the real world effects of aggressive force?


    Elsewhere in the comments, what one can only hope is a modest proposal:

    I’m going to disagree with the Non-Aggression Principle on the single exception I can think of: catastrophic damage done by individuals to the environment. Fracking is an example: generating explosions underground to make it easier to get at natural resources. I think there’s room in an anarchist philosophy to say: it this person or company is proving a great harm to the environment, then we don’t have to wait for market forces. We can go over and shoot them.
  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Let me ask, how is economics relevant to the question of whether force is justified or not?

    Well, gee, how would theories on the best way to distribute resources be relevant to the justification of force?

    Still, I'm going for satire of libertarian "brutalist" arguments.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    HM is... correct.

    Leave it to the linguist to know the tells of satire.

  • John||

    Nothing says anarchy like society collectively deciding to shoot someone for breaking the rules.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Amazingly, although the article was a satire most of the comments (including that one) were not.

  • Derpetologist||

    OK, I need a vote. Who should I spoof next: Chris Matthews or The Newsroom?

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    John Bolton.

  • Derpetologist||

    I like that. It will be a nice change of pace.

  • Ted S.||

    TCM showed an old (1930) movie today called Man to Man, in which the main characters were a paroled town barber named John Bolton, and his college-dropout son, Michael Bolton.

    (Obviously, the folks writing the screenplay couldn't know what was going to happen 50+ years later.)

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    Why should *they* change?

  • Agammamon||

    +1 No talent ass-clowns.

  • Derpetologist||

    OK, backed by statistically-insignificant demand, I proudly present: Spot the Not!: John Bolton Edition. Can you spot the Not?

    1. I'm a conservative. I believe in strong defense and self-reliance.

    2. I'm a conservative Republican. I have been since I was 15 years old and participated in the 'Goldwater for President' campaign in 1964.

    3. Well, I'm a libertarian conservative, so I believe in limited government/maximum individual freedom.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Ummm... 1?

  • Bam!||

    Two.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    I'm slipping, or else you're getting better.

    I'm guessing 2.

    #3 sounds outrageous enough from an H&R standpoint that you can't have made it up.

    #1 sounds banal, so it could well be authentic.

    #2 sounds like a trick question of some kind. I bet he was a Scoop Jackson Democrat who came into the Republican Party long *after* 1964.

  • Irish||

    None of those are crazy enough. I'm disappointed.

  • Derpetologist||

    And the answer is......

    #1

    I'll post one more before I hit the gym, and this time, I'll be bringing the crazy.

    Newt Gingrich crazy.

    Stay tuned!

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    Darn, I took him for a Scoop Jackson neocon.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    We're no strangers to derp,
    you know the rules and so do I
    Posting this stuff is a duty I won't shirk
    I post better derp than all the other guys

    Postal workers union calls for boycott of Staples because the Post Office is letting it do some postal stuff - with Staples employees.

    The Massachusetts teachers' union is in solidarity with the postal union - underlying teachers' unions continued relevance in the modern world.

    "In a statement, AFT Massachusetts president Tom Gosnell said: “Public school teachers and our other members value public service. We know that postal workers are highly trained and care deeply about the security and sanctity of the mail. The decision to outsource neighborhood post offices across the country to a big-box retailer means potentially fewer good jobs and poorer service for our communities. Our members have choices on where to buy school supplies. As long as Staples continues with this USPS program, we will encourage our members to shop elsewhere.”"

    http://www.bostonglobe.com/bus.....story.html

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Quick! What's the difference between postal workers and public school teachers? The answer is that the postal workers are part of a government agency that was explicitly authorized by the Constitution, which hasn't directly been funded by taxes since the 1980s.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    And you don't piss your pants when you hear someone's "gone teacher."

  • Heroic Mulatto||

  • ||

    Vertical assault video!

    I like that they ran it through motion stabilization just to make the quality extra bad.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    "We know that postal workers are highly trained and care deeply about the security and sanctity of the mail."

    I'm pretty sure my mail carrier is on work release.

  • ||

    Do you have door-to-door delivery or a NDCBU/NBU (neighborhood box unit)?

    Ours seems nice enough.

    I have some great stories from some of the older Postal workers.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Neighborhood box. Packages go to my door, though. He doesn't even slow down the truck when he throws them on the doorstep.

  • ||

    That's obnoxious, I wonder if he's the same guy as us. I don't know what our local route numbers are though. I can ask someone.

  • Derpetologist||

    Last round of Spot the Not!:

    GINGRICH!

    1. I'm not a natural leader. I'm too intellectual; I'm too abstract; I think too much.

    2. A mere forty years ago, beach volleyball was just beginning. No bureaucrat would have invented it, and that's what freedom is all about.

    3. I am committed to restoring America's technological dominance. And the first step is to revitalize NASA and resume manned space flights.

  • ||

    Two.

    Although I like it as a reverse "you didn't build that"

    Beach volleyball is a way for god to let each and every man and woman, gay or straight, know that he/she/it/they loves him or her.

  • Irish||

    Holy fuck, I hope he actually said two.

    My answer is two though. If I'm wrong, at least I'll be happy that Gingrich said something that hilarious.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    1. It's always 1.

    If you decide to go for the trifecta, I vote Jesse Ventura. That way we have all the branches of crazy well-covered.

  • Derpetologist||

    I'll save him for tomorrow.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    Ventura isn't derpy, just a tad eccentric.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    OK, like *really* eccentric.

  • Irish||

    Hey man, Jesse Ventura is fucking deep.

    Love is by far bigger than the government can ever be.
    Wrestling is ballet with violence.
    If I can get on the presidential ballot in all 50 states and be allowed into the debates, I'd not only run, I'd win.

    Also, compare these two quotes and explain to me how the same person could believe them simultaneously:

    The Constitution guarantees us our rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That's all. It doesn't guarantee our rights to charity.

    and:

    Health insurance should be a given for every citizen.
  • Heroic Mulatto||

    The man's gimmick was wearing a feather boa.

    That's all you need to know about him. Everything he says can be explained just be the phrase "feather boa

  • Bam!||

    I think I figured out what's going on here. Number three is too sane to be real.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    I will also say 2.

    I know he said something like 3 in real life.

    1 has the right air of arrogance - "I'm just too darn smart for my own good!"

    I don't remember him saying any beach ball stuff, and I often learned about his alleged gaffes.

  • Derpetologist||

    And the spoof quote is...........

    #3!

    Hey, I did well that time. I can only wish I was clever enough to write the volleyball quote.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Holy. Fuck. My hat is off to you, sir.

  • lap83||

    I like that volleyball quote. Random yet spot on.

  • Derpetologist||

    Side note: Behold the sublime, self-righteous derp of MAAAAAAAT DAAAAAMON.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB5vL4bJeug

  • ||

    I dunno, the
    "10% of teachers are bad!"

    "Where did you get that number?"

    "I dunno, 10% of people in any profession are bad"

    bit was pretty derpy on Reason's part.

    Damon masked bad policy in big words, but that bit was easy pickins.

  • Irish||

    Actually, there are probably more bad teachers than bad people in the average profession because of corrupt incentives that go with being a member of a public union and having a job from which it is incredibly difficult to be fired.

    If any job had the same incentives it would end up overrun with incompetent morons in short order. It's actually kind of impressive more teachers aren't total slime given how the system incentivizes bad, lazy, and incompetent behavior.

  • ||

    That's not really the point though, is it? He pulled a number out of his ass for the sake of being argumentative and then looked the fool.

  • Irish||

    Sure. The mistake was not pointing out that bad incentives cause bad results and that any job with the incentives of the teaching profession would end up a massive failure.

  • ||

    While *I* agree with that, you might need to have something better if you're gonna 'gotcha' someone like Matt Damon because he's just gonna ramble about how people take shit pay teaching because they love it and love conquers all!

    My brief stint teaching (at an evangelical k-8 no less!) I had great administrators and decent kids, and a few good parents, but by god parents make teaching elementary miserable.

    Parent: My child can't pay attention in class because his asthma is so bad, you shouldn't be so hard on him.
    Me: Your child talks incessantly. I would be out of breath too.

    Parent 2: Why didn't you notify me that my child wasn't doing his homework!?
    Me: I've sent home 60+ assignments and tests that have returned signed and are in a file and sent home progress reports which are also in student files.
    Parent 2: I NEVER saw those.
    Me: Your son has impeccable forgery skills. if he applied those to his class work...
    Parent 2: How dare you try to blame your incompetence on my son, just because you don't know how to ...
    Me: I'm sorry ma'am I need to get back to my classroom. You have a lovely day.

    I loved being a long-term temp worker!

  • Raven Nation||

    College profs get harassed by students directly. After spending the better part of an evening trying to understand exactly what a student wanted to know, and explaining to them where that information could already be found on-line, I received this charming e-mail:

    I asked a simple question and I appreciate you answering it even though it seems to have been a great struggle for you. I look forward to seeing your unbiased grade of my assignment now that I have wasted an entire evening bickering with you about semantics when I could have been working on it. Have a great night.

  • Bobarian||

    My reply back would be something like "good luck with that unbiased grade."

    Probably why I'll never teach.

  • Acosmist||

    It does?

  • Derpetologist||

    "is this intrinsically paternalistic view of problems that are much more complex than that."

    Damon went on to add that school choice advocates fail to "counterpoint the surrealism of the underlying metaphor."

  • Irish||

    That's a pretty awesome quote.

    Damon needs to explain to me how it's 'paternalistic' to say that people should be allowed to choose their own schools, but not paternalistic to create a system in which children have curricula imposed on them by a school board without their parents' consent. Apparently free choice is paternalistic but leftists imposing their social programs on the poor is just an example of caring.

  • Derpetologist||

    I think his understanding of those words is about on par with the math squiggles he made on the mirror in Good Will Hunting.

    Good Will Humping had more intellectual depth.

  • Irish||

    Scientific journal retracts 60 papers in a case of massive fraud.

    SAGE announces the retraction of 60 articles implicated in a peer review and citation ring at the Journal of Vibration and Control (JVC). The full extent of the peer review ring has been uncovered following a 14 month SAGE-led investigation, and centres on the strongly suspected misconduct of Peter Chen, formerly of National Pingtung University of Education, Taiwan (NPUE) and possibly other authors at this institution.

    THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED!

  • Ayn Random Variation||

    So I read that as a guy from National Poontang University publishing fraudulent articles in the Journal of Vibration.

    Jameson and HnR - a comedy gold combo

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    Rep. Steve Stockman wants the House to arrest and try Lois Lerner, on its own authority, for contempt.

    http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014.....-contempt/

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    Such an action seems, at least on the surface, to have the backing of the Supreme Court, though Lerner will probably insist the circumstances are different.

    From 1927 -

    http://bit.ly/1mQaWOn

    and from 1935 -

    http://bit.ly/1oIN4cl

    (from justicia.com)

  • Derpetologist||

    See if you can listen to this guy for more than 5 minutes. He has by far the most pompous speaking voice I've ever heard.

    And he manages to talk like that for over an hour!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHnjc1gde8c

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    Is that the best Hedges you got?

    "The failure by the left to offer a democratic socialist alternative will mean there will be, in the eyes of many embittered and struggling working- and middle-class Americans, no alternative but a perverted Christian fascism. The inability to articulate a viable socialism has been our gravest mistake. It will ensure, if this does not soon change, a ruthless totalitarian capitalism."

    http://www.truthdig.com/report....._socialist

    (the quote is on p. 2, final paragraph)

  • Derpetologist||

    Hedges is one of the few humans who can match Marcotte when it comes to derp.

  • Irish||

    Mother Jones: "We" are making ebola worse by cutting down forests.

    Instapundit has the correct response:

    Well, I haven’t cut down any forests. But if you replaced “we” with “Africans,” some people might think you were racist or something.
  • Derpetologist||

    A good rule of thumb is that people who use the words "we" or "society" as often as "and" or "not" are idiots.

  • Irish||

    For years my teachers informed me that Brazilians cutting down the rainforest was somehow the fault of Americans.

    Also, that rain forest was supposed to be completely gone like 5 years ago. Apparently the left was just slightly off on their time frame of the destruction of the Amazon.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    I bet the Brazilian soccer fans are watering the rainforest now with their tears.

  • Sevo||

    Yeah, well, according to that charlatan Ehrlich:
    "In Population Bomb he wrote, "We must have population control at home, hopefully through a system of incentives and penalties, but by compulsion if voluntary methods fail."
    That was 1970, I believe.

  • ||

    Don't be silly. They can't be held responsible because ECONOMIC IMPERIALISM!!11!1!!!!!

    So it's whitey's fault still. Or perhaps China's fault if recent trends hold.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Holy shit! Threefitty? On a Thursday night?

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Clayton Kershaw with 41 and 2/3 scoreless innings. Streak ended on a home run by San Diego Padre Chase Headley, who plays for the statistically worst offensive team in baseball.

    This is why I love baseball.

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