Tonight on The Independents: 'Immigration Nation,' With Sheriff Joe Arpaio, Grover Norquist, Eric Liu, Tamar Jacoby, and More!

Tonight's theme episode of The Independents (Fox Business Network, 9 p.m. ET, 6 p.m. PT, with re-airs three and five hours later) is dedicated to the always-contentious issue of immigration, legal and illegal.

Kicking off the show is a debate on the economics of immigration, between Dan Stein, president of the Federation of American Immigration Reform, and Tamar Jacoby, president of ImmigrationWorks USA. Then Kennedy goes to the border to inspect the fence between Mexico and the United States. Erika Andiola, an immigration activist who was brought to the U.S. illegally and remains undocumented, then talks about her family's experiences and the Obama administration's inconsistent record on deportation.   

Sheriff Joe Arpaio last year was named one of Reason's 45 Enemies of Freedom in part for his hysterical ongoing crackdowns against suspected illegal immigrants. He'll be on the show to talk about the ongoing crisis of illegal children being dumped in camps near the border, and how his approach toward law enforcement compares to that of law enforcement in states like Texas. Eric Liu, founding CEO of Citizens University and author of A Chinaman's Chance: One Family's Journey and the Chinese American Dream, comes on to talk about the Chinese- and Asian-American immigration experience (did you know, for example, that Asians now outnumber Hispanics in annual immigration to the U.S.?). Longtime reform backer Grover Norquist will give the current lay of the legislative land on comprehensive immigration reform. And Kmele Foster will detail his philosophical framework for approaching the immigration question.

Interested in the issue? Download Reason's e-book Humane and Pro-Growth: A Reason Guide to Immigration Reform. Follow The Independents on Facebook at facebook.com/IndependentsFBN, follow on Twitter @ independentsFBN, tweet during the show & we'll use as necessary. Click on this page for more video of past segments.

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    Ugh, Arpaio. I hope you call him an enemy of freedom to his face.

  • Wasteland Wanderer||

    He'd probably take it as a compliment.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    And Kmele Foster will detail his philosophical framework for approaching the immigration question.

    Does it in any way involve dogs eating ferrets?

  • ||

    No one wants to hear about your sexual fetishes, FoE.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    No one? The hit count on my various blogs say otherwise.

    Oh, and I racked up another two minutes hate. That puts me at three. I may not reach Gilmore but I will overtake you.

  • ||

    I was first, FoE. I will always have been first. It's a first you can never have and never take away from me.

    I've done far worse than beat you to first, FoE. I've hurt you. And I wish to go on hurting you. I shall leave you as you left me, as you left your mom; marooned for all eternity in the center of a dead thread when the servers are malfunctioning...unable to post! Unable to post...!

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    So what's the story with teh sqrlz?

    I've been in and out. Last I saw, over half the articles were wiped out. Are peeps being prevented from posting too? There's like 12 comments on the PM links.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Those were just reposted a few minutes ago with all of the comments wiped out.

  • kibby||

    They're evidently having a grand old time. I've been in & out, too, & started to think I was losing my mind what with things randomly disappearing & then reappearing!

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    I draw the line at Reason gaslighting you. This must not stand!

  • kibby||

    This is why you're the best!

  • Dances-with-Trolls||

    Reason is gaslighting us?

  • ||

    I've been in & out, too,

    Sounds like some guy we all know isn't doing his job...

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    This bullshit never happened before ampersands were allowed.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Or when Postr...

    Oh never mind.

  • From the Tundra||

    Too late.

  • ||

    My comment lamenting the fact that they've got that fascist cocksucker Arpaio on to spew his xenophobic bullshit got wiped?

    What. The. Fuck.

  • GILMORE||

    Thats not what you said. You said, "Finally! Sherrif Joe will show these 'open border' cosmotarians what a Real American does to protect his homeland! WHOO HOO!"

    and then you did a bunch of donuts in your ford-f150 while shooting a gun in the air

  • ||

    Bullshit.

    It's a Dodge Ram.

  • ||

    As long as the gun was this one.

  • ||

    That is quite possibly the most beautiful thing ever made.

  • From the Tundra||

    Sloopy, seriously.

    More beautiful:

    http://wilsoncombat.com/new/ha.....6TWlFVX-uY

  • ||

    You're not understanding why the Conway Twitty one is beautiful.

  • From the Tundra||

    Yes. I can't understand why someone would do such a thing...

    *hangs head*

  • ||

    Needs moar images of country legends laseretched onto the slide.

  • Sansos||

    favorite gun:
    http://www.craftsmanshipmuseum.....vRifle.jpg

    its beautiful

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    I say we send a message to Reason by not watching the show at all and instead exclusively talk about random and irreverent things.

    Starting with: who was the hottest actress to ever appear on Star Trek: The Original Series?

    I nominate Sherry Jackson

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    There are a lot of people with you.

  • ||

    Yeah, I don't really even see the point of nominating anyone else.

  • BakedPenguin||

    Sorry, I know I'm late to the party, but Victoria Vetri deserves at least a nom, even if she didn't look nearly as good in her episode.

  • BakedPenguin||

    BTW, she shot her husband in 2010, so she's available if she makes it out of prison alive.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    There's some loose talk floating around about farting on children. I say we talk about that.

  • kibby||

    Dude, stop trying to make that story happen.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Oh, it's happening!

  • kibby||

    OVER MY DEAD BODY.

  • ||

    Well, seeing as TOS sucked compared to TNG, I doubt you'll get too many people to play along.

    And with that in mind, I'll bring back an oldie but a goodie from the H&R pages from several years ago: miniskirt Troi or cameltoe Troi?

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    TOS sucked compared to what? What sucked compared to TNG? What sucked compared to what? Your words make no sense.

  • ||

    You heard me. TOS sucked big, fat hairy dog balls compared to TNG. And Riker was a better captain than Kirk (or Picard for that matter) because he at least respected the sovereignty and property rights of others. Kirk was like a bull in a china shop and Picard was the same way.

    And FWIW, Janeway was worse than even Nicole would have been as a starship captain.

  • Cytotoxic||

    TOS and TNG sucked but at least TNG was entertaining in an ironic kind of way. All ST sucked before Abrams.

  • The Tone Police||

    No one cares about your opinion.

  • ||

    Uh...you sure you want to go on record as a big Riker fan, Ken? Are you, uh, drunk? Did you suddenly grow a beard (style: rugged)? Is the syphilis already causing confusion?

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    Ok, I was trolling a bit. Besides, we all know this was the best Star Trek: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8OpsPok6iQ

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Now, now, to be fair, Enterprise did give us this.

    I'd watch the crap out of a show set entirely in the Mirror Universe pre all that DS9 crap.

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    It is not fair to use Jolene Blalock as a reason why ENT was good, just like it's not fair to use Jeri Ryan as a reason why VOY was good. I'd apply the same criteria to DS9 and TNG, except their idea of hot chicks was Marina Sirtis and Nana Visitor. I'm excluding Terry Farrell and Nicole De Boer from consideration because I feel like it.

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    I see you're omitting Ashley Judd from the list as well. You're a lowlife sometimes, Epi.

  • ||

    I'm a capricious creature, Ken. Especially when it comes to women.

  • ||

    It's worth watching your link for the comments.

    First one:
    Stream

    BarryDennen126 months ago

    They should've started fingering each other
    Reply ·

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    No link to the animated series? Ken, I am disappoint.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

  • Banjos||

    If you play that song one more time, I swear I will post on H&R the video of you drunkenly trying to breakdance while wearing cowboy boots.

  • ||

    I'm out guys. Have a good night.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    The timing of this post with Banjos' threatening you is amusing.

  • ||

    OK, Kara, Ken's gone. You can post it now.

  • SweatingGin||

  • Irish||

    HA!

    Riker Googling
    ‏@RikerGoogling
    vulcans gone illogical spring break
  • GILMORE||

    I vote for both of her.

  • Rich||

    Seconded.

    Who was the hottest to ever *disappear*?

  • Irish||

    I nominate Sherry Jackson

    What a typical heteronormative choice reflecting both your white privilege and cisgendered inability to comprehend the suffering of trans people.

  • ||

    Yeah, we should be talking about that androgynous alien from the Next Generation that Riker wanted to bang.

  • Irish||

    Or that time Janeway turned into a lizard and had lizard babies with her navigator.

    That was transgressive as fuck.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    We don't talk about that. And I think they were space salamanders.

  • ||

    Whoa, what about that time Wesley almost got busy with the shapeshifter chick? That was totally stupid and disappointing at the same time.

    Kirk, of course, never failed to get busy. Picard has one child. Kirk? Probably millions.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Picard has a child? Bones gave Kirk a space vasectomy parsecs ago.

  • ||

    Now that's hot.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    And lest anyone accuse that last topic of being sexist, here is a comical list of the 20 hottest libertarian men

    Discuss.

  • ||

    If Starchild isn't on the list then it's got to be bogus.

  • Sevo||

    Depends on what Starchild is wearing.
    (BTW, haven't seen him here in at least since the registration requirement).

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    What handle did he post under? I met him a few times and it never came up.

  • Sevo||

    Sloopy, it was a symbol he'd managed to grab off some other site, and it (sorta) expressed starlight.
    I didn't know who it was until someone said 'that's him' when I asked the symbol guy if he knew Starchild.

  • Irish||

    Jeffrey Tucker is on that list.

    It is therefore invalid.

  • kibby||

    Uhhhh...Thomas Massie? EXCUSE ME? No. This list is awful now.

  • Irish||

    I say this as a straight man, but the only guys on that list who are good looking are the ones who aren't famous.

    Basically it's a list of good looking libertarian guys who no one has ever heard of and a bunch of ugly as fuck famous people.

    I mean, I'd definitely have sex with Radley Balko, but not because I find him physically attractive. I just think it would be nice to show my appreciation of his work.

  • kibby||

    They didn't put my favorite good-looking non-famous libertarian guy, though, so the whole list is a wash as far as I'm concerned.

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    Wait, you mean I'm not on there?

    Polls are fucking bullshit.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Evidently my hotness factor has increased exponentially with the red beard.

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    We don't need to know what you and kibby do in that one week of the month, ASM.

  • ||

    OK, I've been informed that that was going too far.

    Fortunately for me, they'll be along any minute to delete all of the comments.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    That made me laugh out loud, it's the other people that might take issue with that image.

  • SweatingGin||

    I thought you were the one in the first gif

  • GILMORE||

    The only thing they got right was Balko.

    The rest are useless and unappealing morons. Including the Jacket.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    That's just trolling, dude.

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    Wow, they have a list of women too. They actually found 20.
    http://libertyviral.com/20-of-.....z35EGlzCsg

  • Irish||

    Wow, they have a list of women too. They actually found 20.

    Today there was a black guy at my train station getting signatures to get a woman on the Comptroller ballot...as a libertarian.

    I'm really hoping that some Democrats had their heads explode when they saw that.

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    This lady always runs for attorney general in PA.

  • Irish||

    Also, any list of best looking libertarian women which doesn't include Naomi Brockwell is invalid.

  • GILMORE||

    IRISH MINDS THINK ALIKE

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    And no Ekins. Bullshit.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    I don't know that she's libertarian. Might just be a job for her.

  • GILMORE||

    There was no Naomi on that list, therefore it is invalid

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    The women list isn't bad but there are a few extremely wrong turns on there.

  • Irish||

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    The fuck? No Kathyrn DeLong?

    Libertyviral.com can officially go fuck themselves.

  • ||

    Hey, if it gets the gals galvanized enough to pleasure themselves in the name of libertarianism...

  • ||

    18, 7, 4.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    TIWTANLW!

    But, but...

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Okay folks...

    I've been 11 weeks (today) without a sip of alcohol. I've lost 43 pounds with a goal of 40. I was going to continue until my buddy comes in early next week to go fishing, BUT I'm fucking sick of this diet, sick of being hungry all the time and even more importantly, SICK OF BEING FUCKING SOBER! I hear the Tanqueray calling from the bar.

    Anyone want to attempt to talk me down?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Take up smoking.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

  • kibby||

    Congrats!! You're doing so well, but man Tanq is really tempting. I'm doing a bad job of talking you down so I'll stop now.

  • GILMORE||

    Alcohol makes you *fat*?

    How did i stay so skinny?

    I'm getting fat now, but i think that's cause I quit smoking.

  • Sevo||

    "I'm getting fat now, but i think that's cause I quit smoking."

    When I quit, I didn't gain an ounce. But when I quit drinking beer, I didn't lose any, either.

  • Derpetologist||

    I have gone without caffeine for a month and without alka-muh-hall for almost 2 weeks. And I feel better for it.

    Of course, I spent most of my life as a stone cold sober Mormon, so I'm sort of used to that.

    Forget I mentioned Mormons. Keep up the good work.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    You're a jack mormon?

  • Derpetologist||

    I prefer the term Latter-Day Ain't.

    There was a stretch where I didn't go to church but was still a teetotaler, but that hasn't been true for the past 8 years.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Also, I wish you had tried this in your old car.

  • Derpetologist||

    Funny, although it confirms my cynical beliefs about courtship.

  • Cytotoxic||

    I've lost 43 pounds with a goal of 40.

    Holy shit does your diet include cancer!?!

    I can't relate because I can't gain weight. I'm perma-thin. Kinda sucks in some weighs.

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    Same here. Just can't gain a lick of a pound and since I started cycling and running again, my wife fears I shall whither away. I told her that she only has to worry about one part of the body shrinking.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Don't you cook a lot of Italian food?

  • ||

    Yeah.

    Italian diet is awesome when done right.

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    Like they do in the Mother country.

    Italians weigh less than all Europeans except for Holland. Remember that chart from The Economist a few years back.

  • GILMORE||

    "' in some weighs.""

    Was that intentional, or serendipitous accident?

  • Cytotoxic||

    At first an accident, then I saw how beautiful it was.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    I can't relate because I can't gain weight. I'm perma-thin.

    I hate you.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    You owe us a picture. You called me a ginger last night, and I want to be able to call you fat.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Here.

    It's a picture. Just not me.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    You've got your shit locked down. Not a single picture of you on the internet.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    The world is ugly enough without me adding to it.

  • Cytotoxic||

    Some day they'll find the genetic configuration that lets me eat whatever the fuck I want with no consequence to my figure or weight and we'll use CRISPR or something else to give it to you.

    Until then, hey, at least you won't get cold easy like I do.

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    How fat are you?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Don't be tactless.

    Ask him his BMI.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Now, 5'8"...187.

    Still fat...no longer obese.

  • Derpetologist||

    Cheer up. I'm 5'4" and 205.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Youz guyz aren't the friends I though you were. True friends would be egging me on.

  • ||

    Meh.

    I'm Canadian.

    We're not that nice sometimes.

  • ||

    Dude, booze doesn't make you fat, especially non-wine/non-beer booze. Martini it up. Then get really fucking stoned. Throw in some painkillers and a benzo too. Ok, I know what I want to do tonight.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    That's better.

  • ||

    I shutter to picture you in a clown suit.

  • ||

    Ok, now I really know what I want to do tonight.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    I'll egg you on.

    Here is a good recipe. And it's so quick and easy.

  • Cytotoxic||

    I asked earlier and ask again: will Arpaio be subject to citizen's arrest on air like he should be?

  • GILMORE||

    Don't worry - the Independents crack team of writers will have provided them so much excellent material with which to logically corner him into confessing his stupid antics for being shameless demagoguery and self-promoting exploitation that he will *arrest himself* for constitutional violations ON THE AIR.

    Or no, wait = they'll just shout nonsensical stuff over each other and kennedy will go full screech-tastic and make him look like a victim in the end.

  • Cytotoxic||

    Wow Gilmore way to pre-emptively kill the buzz. C'mon, Kmele should have this down and kick his ass.

  • GILMORE||

    IF they ever let Kmele talk, he'd have a 10-0 win streak. Instead, they put Kennedy on point and its like a the Navy Seal team in the movie The Rock, where Kmele is the last man to insist going in to save everyone else but gets shot in the head immediately.

    Its always just like that.

  • ||

    Oh, look what's back up.

    Sheesh, Reason.

    Are your workers unionized or something because this squirrels thing is just about, you know, ridicuous.

  • ||

    I haven't been able to post. Thanks a lot Reason you ruined the 'Costa Rrrrriccaaaa!' moment I had planned.

  • Derpetologist||

  • ||

    'Of course I know what satire is, I'm a writer.'

    I just choose to pretend it's not satire here.

    ***TRIGGER WARNING****

    Cunt.

  • Derpetologist||

  • Derpetologist||

    The Independents ought to do some debate practice before having on guests like Arpaio. The worst thing for an idea is not an attack, but a bad defense.

  • Derpetologist||

    The Independents ought to do some debate practice before having on guests like Arpaio. The worst thing for an idea is not an attack, but a bad defense.

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

    Dude, you need to get back on the caffeine and alcohol.

  • Derpetologist||

    No, I just need a new mouse. I have a spare, but I never like replacing things until they are completely worn out. See my former car as an example.

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

    I can respect that.

  • GILMORE||

    Jesus, Joe Piscopo looks like shit

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    INDEPENDENTS ASSEMBLE!

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    I don't associate, assemble or congregate with fat people.

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

    Nor people with that level of self-control. Disgusting.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    How about fat alcoholics?

  • Cytotoxic||

    They're pretty disgusting.

  • ||

    "Bodies are for hookers and fat people."

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    He's his own congregation.

  • Derpetologist||

    I'm in shape because mostly round is a shape.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

    Fuck Joe Arpaio, I'm not hanging around for that shit even if they do rip him a new asshole. Just not worth it.

  • Cytotoxic||

    I'd watch if Kmele went all medieval and *literally* ripped him a new asshole with a meat cleaver or something.

  • Derpetologist||

    If H & R was a video game, sometimes it would look like this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOFs9e0lrZw

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Prediction: Dreamcatchers.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Prediction: A giant squirrel giving us the finger

  • ||

    Cavuto's voice is aggravating.

  • ||

    What does it mean to be American?

    I thought Lee Greenwood settled this.

  • From the Tundra||

    Hey! Nice job on the 2 minutes hate the other night!

  • ||

    Woo-hoo!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Is she a princess?

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    It is done. Damn that's good!

  • SweatingGin||

    Wonderful Gin!

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Wow. I got a buzz.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Translation from Mr. Stein: Beaners Need Not Apply; Asians and Europeans, okay.

  • kibby||

    Prediction: tonight is going to make me seriously regret moving to Maricopa county.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    I'll take that bet.

  • ||

    Answered up thread but are you saying Italian food = fat?

    Put up your dukes.

    /runs away.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Cooking it? No. Eating it? ...

    How many calories are in your alfredo sauce?

  • SweatingGin||

    Oh shit:)

    My work has an office in PHX/Scotsdale. I haven't been out to that one, but the big takeaways that I've gotten are:

    1) there's stupid money in Scotsdale (line of Lamborghinis)
    2) If you go a little bit outside the city, and have car trouble and aren't found, you'll die.
    3) If you find someone in the desert, you have to give them water.
    4) DO NOT! ABSOLUTELY DO NOT get popped for DUI. Sheriff Joe will kill you.

  • Cytotoxic||

    You should already regret that. WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?

  • kibby||

    *hangs head in shame* I sold out so I could afford to eat.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Being as white as you are should mitigate a lot of the risks. And your cats run and hide from visitors so we won't have to worry about trigger-happy cops.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    He lost me then he had me then he lost me.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Did he just suggest we unionize illegals? That's what I heard.

  • ||

    Well, you have to build a middle-class...

  • Derpetologist||

    And here, once more, we see the peril of making idiotic, unenforceable laws.

    If the govt is only going to make a token effort to secure the border, what is the point of green cards and all that other nonsense?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    The next cure for cancer? Why haven't I heard about the first one?

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    I want that Kmele suit.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Is that like an Edgar suit?

  • GILMORE||

    Please, can no one distinguish between sport-coats and 'suits' here?

    I feel like my life has been wasted.

  • ||

    Would it make you feel better if he wanted to peel and wear Kmele's skin?

    Because that's how I read that. Interpret that as you will.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    This guy is a complete asshole.

  • ||

    The Vermont/New York border seem clear to me.

    Damn Canadians.

  • Ted S.||

    That's because we don't want to enter the shitty country of Quebec.

  • ||

    There's always...Manitoba.

  • Ted S.||

    What do you have against Flin Flon?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    The Independents is at its best when debating numbers.

  • ||

    The Romans...

    Scratch that. They couldn't secure the limes.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Limes go well with my gin.

  • SweatingGin||

    Now that the wine is gone, that's where I'm heading next. gin and tonic and lime.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    I use key limes. Less waste, taste great.

  • ||

    I thought you quit, fatty.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    I'm back, baby!

  • ||

    Attaboy.

    Don't show your wife these comments.

  • From the Tundra||

    Yeah, she'll figure it out shortly.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    She'll.... appreciate it?

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    I hope they don't blow all of their anger on this guy.

  • ||

    Won't be much left for Arpaio.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Spoiler alert: Foster is about to seriously suggest we not control the border.

  • ||

    'South of the Border'? South Carolina?

    Each time I visited it was empty.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    I am not looking forward to the Arpaio "interview".

  • SweatingGin||

    "Your anti-drug tank has the momentum of a runaway freight train! How are you so awesome?!?"

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Ha. Well, I'm expecting a three-on-one incoherent yellfest. PROVE ME WRONG, INDEPENDENTS!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    We need a fence to hide that eyesore known as Mexico!

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    I first heard of Tim Donnelly when Colbert made fun of him and his group for building a small section of fence.

  • ||

    It's not the Great Wall of China or Hadrian's Wall but it'll do.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    The CA minutemen are laughable. It's a populated border. There are tunnels everywhere.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Wow. Kennedy has a nice ass.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    So you did go with the gin tonight. Good for you.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Oh yeah.

    And I'm a lightweight.

  • db||

    Thank God I set up the DVR. Can ya give a brother a timestamp?

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Climbing the fence.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    You're a dirty old man.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Guilty.

    But she's only like 6 years younger than me.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    oops 7

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Are you telling me that Welch doesn't like McCain?!? He should write a book about it.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Maybe title it with an alliterative play on McCain's maverick reputation?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Matt Welch is an Ameri-can't.

  • ||

    I laughed.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    The Statue of Liberty cried.

  • ||

    We don't need your type up here.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    We need to secure the border. The Canadian border.

  • GILMORE||

    The Independents Attire Review, 20 June 2014

    The Great Seal-Edition

    - Kennedy: Poofy teal blouse? I could wear that...and make a great *gay pirate*. It obscures far too much Kennedy-Flesh in our opinion. Drop a few buttons, sugar. Its has a little 1970s vibe to it, so we think an amber & beaded amulet wouldn't hurt at all. Richard Pryor adds = "be extra-careful when freebasing"

    - Matt: Here we have one of the rarest of Cable-Television species: The *Normally Dressed* 'Matt Welch'. The more-often-spotted version is typically clothed in clashing, garish tones as a form of "disgust-camouflage", which dissuades predators from attack via an instantaneous, visually-provoked nausea. By contrast, we find this example compelling us to offer it a job, or take its legal advice.

    - Kmele: In a sign that I am definitely getting fatter, I look at Kmele and can only think, "Chipwich". We've often noted the reliable utility of brown & khaki for men, and Kmele's mastery of this spectrum is a daily pleasure to behold. Being chocolatey-colored doesn't hurt, but its something we wish even the most melanin-deprived would attempt more often.

    Via Con Dios

  • ||

    Gay Pirates!

    Via Con Dios

    By way of the with God?

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    So you're a Spanish pedant now?

    Vaya.

    A la Keanu Reeves.

  • ||

    Non-sequitur: Always being told I look like Reeves.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    #humblebrag

  • GILMORE||

    ""By way of the with God?""

    Sorry, that was supposed to be 'VAYA CON DORITOS'

  • ||

    Grrrowl.

    What are you Yanks complaining about?

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Like maple syrup, Canada's evil and corrupting influence oozes over our border.

  • ||

    Ah yes, the Buble Effect. We've been working on that for decades since the Diefenbaker administration.

  • ||

    Why do Mexicans come to Canada?

    Ask her.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    She wasn't born here? So that means there's some American Dream Action Coalition co-director out of work somewhere.

  • ||

    I like her stereotypical accent.

  • kibby||

    Random interjection: my cat just freaked out because I emptied his toy collection into a bag & now he's sitting here yowling. Am I a bad person for laughing at his ridiculous distress?

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    No. A bad person would add the cat to the bag.

  • kibby||

    Okay, good.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Well leave something out for him! Seriously, it is like Meow-schwitz in there!

  • kibby||

    That fox-eared asshole can fend for himself. I'm sure he's hidden some toys under the chair.

  • ||

    No. I laugh at distress all the time.

  • kibby||

    This sounds like a personal issue....

  • ||

    Am I a bad person?

    Yes.

  • kibby||

    YOU DO NOT EVEN LIKE CATS.

  • ||

    Where did you get that idea. My roommate's cat is a flying claw-assault machine, who has convinced the neighbors to hate us because after we feed her she goes next door to beg for food, but generally, I'm a cat person.

  • kibby||

    Well how am I supposed to know what kind of cat your roommate has from your cryptic references? I'm not a mindreader!!

  • Ted S.||

    I've got a cat that loves to be pet, but hates to be picked up and held.

  • kibby||

    Do any cats like to be picked up & held? Gizmo will let me hold him for short bursts but Bugsy wants zero to do with touching. He was such a cuddly kitten, though. *sad face*

  • Ted S.||

    I've had cats that wanted to sit on my lap, which is close enough. This one wants to be pet (even on the tummy), and none of the other stuff.

  • db||

    I have a Maine.Coon mix.that loves to.be.held. he's my big fluffy buddy.

  • ||

    Roommate's cat likes belly rubs, so at least she has that going for her.

    Roommate's cat also likes blocking my laptop's exhaust port. That's been a problem a few times.

  • Ted S.||

    You emptied his collection into a bag?

    Does not compute. :-p

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Yeah, Kennedy. Check her green card!

  • Derpetologist||

    I will generalize a bit from the topic. Many if not most people vastly overestimate the power of law and punishment.

    If a law does not have overwhelming public support & effective enforcement, it will fail.

    The example I like to cite is Victorian England, where petty theft was often punished by hanging. Great crowds would always come to watch and while they gawked, pick-pockets would be working through the crowds.

  • SweatingGin||

    Do you have a link for that? Seems like it could be a good read.

  • Derpetologist||

    Here you go:

    "between 1800 and 1900, of the 3524 people sentenced to hang in England and Wales, only 1353 were for murder."

    http://vcp.e2bn.org/justice/pa.....nging.html

  • Derpetologist||

    Here you go:

    "between 1800 and 1900, of the 3524 people sentenced to hang in England and Wales, only 1353 were for murder."

    http://vcp.e2bn.org/justice/pa.....nging.html

  • ||

    Arpaio will be here to explain how to get rid of chiquitas like Erika.

  • GILMORE||

    The producers are so subtle =

    bring on attractive young immigrant
    +next, follow with fat, angry and ugly 'merican Sherrif

    =LET LOGIC PREVAIL!

    I still am betting on grade-A rhetorical cluster-fudge of a tete-a-tete

  • The Tone Police||

    Kennedy versus Arpaio...the microphone is more intelligent than the two of them put together.

  • GILMORE||

    But Mary, the border doesn't exist?

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    bring on attractive young immigrant
    +next, follow with fat, angry and ugly 'merican Sherrif

    Well, with American obesity rates being what they are...

    jus' sayin'

  • ||

    Ha, I thought this commercial was for Reading PA before I looked up. I though "this doesn't sound right, Reading is a shithole".

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    I think tourism in Redding would increase if they legalized marijuana.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    You don't think the sun-dial bridge will do it?

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Here we go.

  • ||

    Arpaio has a turkey-neck.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    He seems likable. Let's give him a pass.

  • kibby||

    Matt, you're so polite in your questioning. You really shouldn't be with this monster.

  • Sevo||

    As I recall, he and they also treated the commie-kid that way.

  • kibby||

    It is something of an issue on this show.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    As I pointed out to Matt on Twitter, Joe Arpaio uses his authority to hurt people.

    Jesse the Commie just has ridiculous positions that fall apart on their face. Profound difference in how either should be treated.

  • Sevo||

    Agreed there is a difference, but ideas do have consequences. Neither should get the kid-glove treatment, unless we have Oprah After-Dark.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Good for you, Joe. Expertly ignore the question.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Take two. Almost answered the question. Almost.

  • GILMORE||

    I DONT JUST TALK, I SPEAK! AND HERE'S A LIST OF SOME NEW STUFF YOU DIDNT ASK ABOUT!

  • ||

    Does he even understand the question?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    No.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    Arpaio comes off as a profoundly stupider version of the Emperor from Star Wars.

  • kibby||

    I can't stop laughing at how ACCURATE this is.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Get a room, you two!

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    You're treat?

  • kibby||

    YOUR*. Good gosh, you really do need me to spell check for you.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Heroic Mulatto is my booking agent. Ask him. It might come with some strings attached.

  • GILMORE||

    Did I mention that Kmele looks amazing in the linen blazer? yes i did.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Well, at least it wasn't unwatchable. It just wasn't very insightful, but I guess you can chalk most of that up with the Sheriff's apparent inability to veer outside of established talking points.

  • Derpetologist||

    Somewhat on-topic- apparently there are 2 metabolic pathways for alcohol. One converts it into ATP energy at 7 calories/gram and the other converts into body heat. The second pathway is triggered by heavy consumption and does not lead to weight gain.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1992/02.....cohol.html

  • ||

    So, without reading the article, you're saying I should drink a lot? Cuz I'm way ahead of you.

  • Derpetologist||

    Dr. Nick: On my diet, you can eat as much as you want and no exercise?

    Marge: And you'll lose weight?

    Dr. Nick: Ah...you might. It's a free country!

  • Derpetologist||

    Dr. Nick: On my diet, you can eat as much as you want and no exercise?

    Marge: And you'll lose weight?

    Dr. Nick: Ah...you might. It's a free country!

  • Derpetologist||

    first question mark should be an exclamation point.

  • Ted S.||

    So says the guy who got his name from a hair dryer.

  • GILMORE||

    Which is the part that makes me better-looking and wittier?

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Having money.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    So, what you're sayin is...if I drink heavily, I won't gain weight.

    Whoooo hoooo!

  • Derpetologist||

    I read a story about a guy who fasted on bread and beer and lost a ton of weight.

    Apparently, this was the preferred fasting method of many medieval monks.

  • SweatingGin||

    "The second pathway is triggered by heavy consumption and does not lead to weight gain."

    #winning

  • Derpetologist||

    Researchers have also discovered that hangovers only happen to people who stop drinking.

  • Derpetologist||

    Researchers have also discovered that hangovers only happen to people who stop drinking.

  • ||

    Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Arpaio might currently be a denizen of Arizona, but he's a Masshole through and through.

  • ||

    He's Bat-Man.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

  • ||

    I bought a bunch of those old Bat-Man's.

    Awesome.

  • ||

    You know what would be a funny video?

    About a 5th generation Canadian sheriff who roams the vast, unsecured, border with nothing much to do. 'My daddy was a sheriff, just like his daddy was. It's all I know. Even though I reckon those gold diggin' Yanks won't be coming to Chilkoot Pass anytime soon." /spits on the ground. Looks around. Turns and walks away dejected.

  • Ted S.||

    Sounds about as funny as Red Green.

  • ||

    Oh lord, I haven't thought of Red Green in forever.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    "Subscribe to Reason Magazine, we seldom fuck up our print addition."

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Did you ever get the edition where they custom printed a satellite picture of your house on the cover? That was freaky...

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    NO I MISSED OUT ON THAT ONE AND I WILL NOT SUBSCRIBE AGAIN UNTIL THEY DO THAT AGAIN.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    That's me putting them on notice.

  • Sevo||

    I think that one cost more than intended.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Did you get it? I was impressed. I pulled out my wallet that year.

  • Sevo||

    Certainly did; thought it was a crap-shoot, or one of two or three that happened to feature my neighborhood.
    I was SURPRISED!

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    Except for the spelling of "edition."

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Yeah, they did do that.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    That haircut sucks. Does he think he's Allen West?

  • ||

    Speaking of producers Gilmore mentioned, what's with the stereotypes? Firs the cute Mexican with an accent and now a Chinaman (chink?) with a brush hair cut. Who's next, a wop with a thick mustache wielding a moon knife?

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    No, silly, a pizza cutter.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Who's next, a wop with a thick mustache wielding a moon knife?

    You?

  • ||

    Well, I could grow a mustache!

    Ok. I'll do it!

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Just like a Wop to bring a knife to a gunfight.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    In case one isn't familiar with Eric Liu, he's the absolute worst Proggie piece of shit in existence. An utter and complete hack who would write apologia for Obama even if he were the architect of mass genocide.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    And his haircut is retarded. Is he also a part-time cop?

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    I'm too lazy to find it now, but somewhere within the LvMI shop is a comment from a "6 foot Asian bodybuilding liberal" who wrote this hilarious comment about bow-ties and how he's going to kick all libertarians' asses.

    I'm starting to think that was Eric Liu.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Webcam, at least. Though, I think a bowl of just green M&Ms; should also be in the rider.

  • ||

    At least go GoPro, although I don't know how they do in low lighting.

  • Sevo||

    "I'm starting to think that was Eric Liu."

    He was listed as a guest. They didn't ID him?

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    On mises.org? No idea.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Kennedy, this isn't a guy who built the railroads here.

  • GILMORE||

    The chinaman is not the issue!

  • ||

    I'm surprised the progs behind the eugenics movement didn't attempt to genetically alter their slanted eyes to make them more white.

  • GILMORE||

    Well said, Eric

  • kibby||

    Ah! I just placed it...this dude sounds exactly like Rob Huebel.

  • ||

    Who the fuck is Rob Huebel?

  • kibby||

    Uh, an actor? I may have just binge watched a bunch of The League & ended on an episode he was in.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    He's like Indiana Jones.

  • GILMORE||

    Eric makes good points.

    So does this helpful infographic about why Asians are so easily Americanized

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    That was good.

  • GILMORE||

    "Sinutab" is pretty brilliant

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Newport also, if they meant the cigarette.

  • GILMORE||

    Bien sur

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Francisco: I hope you stumble into bed tonight and give your wife the lovin' that she deserves.

  • ||

    RRRAAAAAPPPPPEEEEE!!!!!!!!

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    It's not rape until she can produce four adult male Muslim witnesses, hamdullah.

  • ||

    No, I heard on the internet that everything is rape.

  • Derpetologist||

    One time, I was in bed with a girl and she started biting me on the shoulder. I don't know if that was her thing or if she thought I would like it. Anyway, I said "no biting" and we continued.

    Little did I know that I had just become a victim of sexual assault. My rights were violated! I did not consent! Where's my lawyer! I demand money justice!

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    I don't know if that was her thing or if she thought I would like it.

    You need to stop looking for dates on bath salts forums.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Dude, we're married...we don't have sex.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Except for special occasions, like your first drink(s) in 10 weeks.

  • ||

    Playa,

    I HATE Alfredo sauce.

  • ||

    Miss Judy!

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Ditto. I prefer the sweet and sour of tomato.

  • Ted S.||

    I like pizza, but I don't like tomato-based sauces on pasta.

  • ||

    You're weird.

    But there are great non-tomato options.

    Many you may not have even thought of either.

  • kibby||

    & this guy sounds like Greg Proops.

  • Ted S.||

    That's because you're watching TCM. That is Greg Proops introducing the movies.

  • kibby||

    STOP CONFUSING ME.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Germans and Catholics. At least it wasn't the Irish.

  • GILMORE||

    I thought producers crop out the guests note-board?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    No one should be in favor of comprehensive law in anything. The first comprehensive law was the best and even it's been perverted, its bill of rights almost completely destroyed.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    Allow me to progsplain: "comprehensive" means they put a lot of stuff they like into a bill and try to add some other stuff to appease the people whose votes they are seeking. Then they say they're satisfying all sides, though in practice once the bill is passed, the forget about the provisions benefiting their opponents.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Whooda thunk Grover would have something in common with libertarians?

  • ||

    I lost streaming. What was the gist of his argument the last guest?

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    I wasn't watching the streaming at all, seeing what it's like to try and figure out the show from the comments.

  • kibby||

    Okay, I guess everyone is as stupid as the people in my Geography class last semester.

  • ||

    Kmele with the hardcore principles!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    He invoked God.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    AH! Lou Dobbs.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    One G&T down. Switching to bourbon.

  • GILMORE||

    Yes, but Kmele, we did turn away jews trying to emigrate...

  • GILMORE||

    Kmele drops mad science;

    and GAAAHHH!H!!! DOBBS!!

  • GILMORE||

    BTW- Koskinen's testimony was probably the most iconic visual rendition of FYTW I've ever seen.

    I will try and find an example

  • Derpetologist||

    Otherwise clear thinker Sam Harris writes ridiculous tax-the-rich article and then is befuddled by hate mail:

    http://www.samharris.org/blog/.....en-trying/

    This is Derp Gallery.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Shorter Harris: Coercive paternalism in the name of a church? Bad. Coercive paternalism in the name of a government? Sooo goood.

    Fuck Harris. 2nd most overrated public intellectual ever.

  • ||

    Who's the first?

  • Heroic Mulatto||

  • ||

    I'd do her though.

    Sontag was pretty bad too, no?

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Sontag was insufferable, but the fact that MHP has a total of, what, 2 pop "cultural studies" books to her name as the sum total of her intellectual work, and Coates had the balls to not only call her a public intellectual, but "America's foremost public intellectual" just takes the cake. And when he was called out on that fact, he threw a hissy fit and called everyone racist even though he would have reacted the same way if Byers' list was made up of folks like Thomas Sowell and Zora Neale Hurston.

    It's just a whole new level, a quantum leap from one energy level of stupidity to another.

  • Irish||

    What was great about that was the fact that Coates clearly based his claim entirely on race and then claimed everyone else was racist when they laughed at him.

    Racist, heal thyself.

  • Derpetologist||

    I guess Chomsky is #1? Fun fact: his work was cited by Osama bin Laden.

    Currently searching for link.

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    "If private citizens cannot be motivated to allocate the necessary funds to mitigate [nuclear proliferation]—as it seems we cannot—the State must do it. The State, however, is broke."

    Yeah, we're broke, thanks a lot, libertarians!

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    "Many of us have been extraordinarily lucky—and we did not earn it. Many good people have been extraordinarily unlucky—and they did not deserve it. And yet I get the distinct sense that if I asked some of my readers why they weren’t born with club feet, or orphaned before the age of five, they would not hesitate to take credit for these accomplishments."

    Wow, guys, y'all are so *callous!*

  • Derpetologist||

    Class, what Mr. Harris just did is called a straw man argument, and it is a no-no.

  • Irish||

    I also like that he assumes that no one born with club feet or orphaned before the age of five could possibly disagree with his arguments.

    You know, there are plenty of very successful orphans. You might have even heard of some of them, like Leo Tolstoy, George Washington Carver, and Aristotle.

    Apparently Sam Harris believes an orphan is incapable of succeeding in life - a far more offensive assertion than anything his opponents have argued.

  • Irish||

    "Governments have run out of money because of the policies I am advocating. Therefore, we should just try those policies twice as hard."

  • ||

    He describes it thusly:

    "....the suggestion that billionaires should contribute more of their wealth to the good of society."

    Contributing. For the good of society. Got it.

  • Derpetologist||

    *raises hand*

    But teacher, isn't it dishonest to call taxes "contributions"? That's equivocation.

  • SIV||

    clear thinker Sam Harris

    Is he still raping Atheist-hag groupies?

  • Derpetologist||

    Wah?

  • Irish||

    Otherwise clear thinker Sam Harris writes ridiculous tax-the-rich article and then is befuddled by hate mail:

    You might want to rethink your idea that Sam Harris is a clear thinker:

    If I could wave a magic wand and get rid of either rape or religion, I would not hesitate to get rid of religion. I think more people are dying as a result of our religious myths than as a result of any other ideology. I would not say that all human conflict is born of religion or religious differences, but for the human community to be fractured on the basis of religious doctrines that are fundamentally incompatible, in an age when nuclear weapons are proliferating, is a terrifying scenario.

    It never occurs to him that if religion just vanished people would still mindlessly believe in something. I don't think the irreligion of the Soviet Union was much solace to the millions of corpses.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    It never occurs to him that if religion just vanished people would still mindlessly believe in something. I don't think the irreligion of the Soviet Union was much solace to the millions of corpses.

    Yeah, that South Park episode with the otters was pretty spot-on. But ultimately what's really galling about their conceit is the fact that intellectuals like Harris and academics in general tend to exemplify the petty and mean-spirited behavior that can collectively manifest itself into violence.

    Mix that with arrogance and vanity and you got a recipe for some self-important demagogue that's convinced he's going to save the world and can remake it in his image. And we all know where that leads to.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    It never occurs to him that if religion just vanished people would still mindlessly believe in something. I don't think the irreligion of the Soviet Union was much solace to the millions of corpses.

    Yeah, that South Park episode with the otters was pretty spot-on. But ultimately what's really galling about their conceit is the fact that intellectuals like Harris and academics in general tend to exemplify the petty and mean-spirited behavior that can collectively manifest itself into violence.

    Mix that with arrogance and vanity and you got a recipe for some self-important demagogue that's convinced he's going to save the world and can remake it in his image. And we all know where that leads to.

  • Derpetologist||

    I love that episode. HAIL SCIENCE!

    I did not know about the rape quote. That's crazy.

    This pic is fitting:

    http://manboobz.files.wordpres.....35cl9x.jpg

  • Sevo||

    "What can be done to bridge this gap?"

    Is that the gap between his left and right ears?

  • ||

    GILMORE

    Define cocktail attire for men. Slacks, blazer, button up with no tie?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Speed suit. Any color.

  • Derpetologist||

    bathrobe with slight honey mustard stain, underwear, and a yellow Chia Pet® t-shirt.

  • ||

    This is why I specifically invoked GILMORE. HM and Rufus are also welcome to chime in.

    I need more fashion forward gay friends...

  • ||

    I'm sure I'm not as stylish as those guys, but I started looking at this website before I got married because I wanted to get a nice suit. I've subsequently become much better dressed.

  • ||

    ah shit. www.dappered.com

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Allen Edmonds on the front page; that's a good sign, imo.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    By cocktail attire do you mean "semi-formal," which would be a tuxedo (in the evening) or "country club casual", which seems to be what you're describing?

  • ||

    And this is why I hate fashion.

    I'm assuming country club casual. This is the event listing.

  • GILMORE||

    No = if it were @ a boathouse/docks? That would be 'country club'.

    Museums are definitely 'get funkier' than country-club.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Museum? More like a cemetery...

  • GILMORE||

    Same difference. Marble.

  • Heroic Mulatto||



    Museum? More like a cemetery...

    Same difference. Marble.

    I'm stealing that dialog for if I ever write a novel/screenplay/the scripted lines I pay my escorts to recite.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    GILMORE did all of the heavy lifting in that exchange.

  • GILMORE||

    i.e. no khaki pants.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Hmmm...tough. They mention gypsy jazz...and this is gypsy jazz.

    I'd say whether you lean toward semi-formal or smart casual, a jacket is a must.

    I really like, GILMORE's first example, though a stickler might say that the 7:30 pm starting time would warrant something darker, like a charcoal grey or navy. I would counter that since the event is in California, that, alone, lowers the formality scale one notch. (e.g., "Hollywood" formal)

  • GILMORE||

    Yeah, what he said.

    I vote 'suit, no tie, colorful button up shirt' Or even go patterns a la Kmele

  • ||

    Also, take your suit to the tailor. It was sort of a revelation when I figured out that my suit should fit properly and a lot of men's don't.

  • ||

    The way things fit me can change day to day. I'm a bit amorphous like that.

  • ||

    I vote 'suit, no tie, colorful button up shirt' Or even go patterns a la Kmele

    This, I can accomplish. Barely.

  • ||

    Also, thanks all for your input. It was helpful. Except for Fist, but that's to be expected.

  • ||

  • GILMORE||

    hilariously =

    That second link's tips were circa "1939" or so... they were talking about shades of suit as though everyone reading has like 20 suits in the closet anyway.

    But what i loved is their #1 pick? Was mine too

    ""Windowpane Overplaid Sharkskin Suit – Great For Most Cocktail Parties""

  • GILMORE||

    yeah, that's about roughly right, but could mean anything depending on context.

    'slacks and blazer' can look like 'internship', and not 'cocktails'.

    Cocktails implies, 'formal-hip'

    What you need to do is determine what in your own clothing arsenal does that right.

    In my case, i'd break out a sharkskin grey suit, and go with a more-relaxed shirt (pink?) with 2 buttons undone

    like this, but i'm not nearly as much 'look at my chest hair' (or lack thereof)

    For others, it could just be throwing a blazer on over jeans and a shirt

    http://i.imgur.com/ERF76.jpg

    etc. its what you think makes you look sharp without effort.

  • GILMORE||

    To put it another way =

    Women really notice when a guy looks like he *decided* to put something on. Not just "oh its what i had lying around"; they get turned on when they see a guy they normally see 'looking different' - knowing that he 'chose' to wear something for that specific occasion.

    'Cocktails' should be exactly that. You wear something that makes people go, "Huh". Something you wouldn't normally wear 'everywhere'. Just for the occasion.

    (which is why the second image above is misleading. Thats actually how i dress every day. Maybe that works for people who don't)

    I once made a point of shouting out the Independents as 'clearly dressing like they were going for drinks later'. And they were. It was obvious. It was not the normal 'TV dress'. It was a little more 'sexy', smoky-room attire.

    Jedidia seemed to dress 'ready to party' all the time. It was a joke for a while.

    As a rule, i'd call "cocktail"= 'dressing down a suit' or 'dressing up' a sportcoat.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    As a rule, i'd call "cocktail"= 'dressing down a suit' or 'dressing up' a sportcoat.

    Absolutely.

  • Derpetologist||

    OT: Having a cold made me ponder viral infections. It begins with a virus mimicking a chemical that binds to a receptor on the outside of a cell. Think of it like a key in a lock. This is how the virus gets in and eventually multiplies.

    What if you could flood the body with decoy receptors that would trap the virus and prevent infection? The main problem is preventing the decoy receptors from preventing the normal chemicals from binding with the regular receptors.

    Next, I need to come up with a complicated plan and explain it with a simple analogy.

  • Stormy Dragon||

    You'd die. Those receptors aren't just there for shits and giggles. They're there because some enzyme important to the functioning of the cell needs it to grab onto.

  • Derpetologist||

    I know the normal ligands need to bind to the regular receptors, so the decoy would have to be different enough to avoid that. It sure would be great though if you could make a decoy receptor that would only bind to the virus. That's basically what an antibody does though.

  • ||

    The virus has unique molecules all on its own. Your decoy 'receptors' don't have to be receptors at all, all they have to do is target some part of the virus's molecular signature.

    I think this approach has been tried.

  • Derpetologist||

    OT: Having a cold made me ponder viral infections. It begins with a virus mimicking a chemical that binds to a receptor on the outside of a cell. Think of it like a key in a lock. This is how the virus gets in and eventually multiplies.

    What if you could flood the body with decoy receptors that would trap the virus and prevent infection? The main problem is preventing the decoy receptors from preventing the normal chemicals from binding with the regular receptors.

    Next, I need to come up with a complicated plan and explain it with a simple analogy.

  • Derpetologist||

    Holy hell, that's my 4th or 5th double post tonight.

  • Sevo||

    Colds'll do that to ya!

  • ||

    For Max Power and all who want to look suave:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHbjpGw1s9c

  • ||

    So I should get a referee shirt?

  • ||

    And some Grecian Formula.

  • Irish||

    Muslim girls have their genitals mutilated...in Sweden.

    Of the 30, some 28 of the girls were found to have been subjected to the most severe form of genital mutilation, when the clitoris and labia are completely cut away and the genital area sewn together except for a small opening.
    When school breaks up for the summer holidays the risk of being exposed to the surgery increases for many Swedish girls due to the prospect of visits to their parents' home countries.

    Remember: There is no such thing as a superior culture.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    The M-word was nowhere in the linked article. And since it was in Sweden, I'm going to guess that all 28 girls belonged to the Swedenborgian Church.

  • Derpetologist||

    Whenever I talk to progs about stuff like this, here's what happens:

    Me: Mohamed said he would expel all the Jews from Arabia. To this day, Jews are forbidden to enter Saudi Arabia

    Prog: McVeigh! Westboro Baptists! Crusades!

    Me: In the Qur'an it says that it is better to fight jihad for 1 day than to spend a month fasting and praying.

    Prog: McVeigh! Westboro Baptists! Crusades!

    Me: Islam clearly teaches that apostates should be killed and many apostates have been killed.

    Prog: McVeigh! Westboro Baptists! Crusades!

    Me: Mohamed had sex with a 9 year old. Since Mohamed's behavior is considered to be ideal, this is the reason child marriage is rampant in Muslim countries.

    Prog: McVeigh! Westboro Baptists! Crusades!

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    See, they're working from two premises. The first being secularism, therefore religion, in general, is considered A Bad Thing. The second is egalitarianism, thus all religions have to be equally bad; for if not, then that might be racist.

  • Derpetologist||

    Well-put. It's bizarre form of nihilism. Everything sucks by the exactly same degree.

  • Sevo||

    Derpetologist|6.20.14 @ 11:09PM|#
    "Well-put. It's bizarre form of nihilism. Everything sucks by the exactly same degree."

    Except for the GOP or libertarians; ask Tony.

  • Irish||

    The other thing they'll do is point out something evil that Christians did 500 years ago.

    In the Middle Ages they were burning witches, so it's just mean to talk about the fact that Islam was the primary impetus for two political assassinations in the Netherlands.

    I have a feeling that if a Hollywood director and a Democratic senator were murdered over the course of 2 years by Christian extremists, leftists wouldn't come up with so many excuses for the violence.

  • Derpetologist||

    I have yet to meet a prog who did not pull out the Tu Quoqe fallacy.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    It's because their atheism is a fashion statement intended to mask how profoundly stupid and intellectually incurious they are.

    And because Muslims are a minority group in this country and WAPSs and Catholics have power and influence, they, the trained seals that they are, reflexively bark at Christians and Republican no matter what is actually being argued.

    It isn't about finding some existential truth, it's about feeling superior to their conservative Republican family and neighbors.

  • Derpetologist||

    Bill Maher seems to be a classic example of this. I liked the Religulous movie except for the fact that he said zip about Islam.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Francisco hasn't even said goodnight yet. I hope he's still alive.

  • Sevo||

    The worst that'll happen is falling into some late-season snow...

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Still here. Sippin bourbon. But it won't be long.

  • ||

    Why would you guys have Arpaio on your show? I thought you were a serious political panel, not a platform for xenophobic fascist cocksuckers like him.

    That man is filth. Giving him a platform to spew his hatred puts you on par with FNC. Congrats!

  • Jerry on the sea||

    Alas, John Bolton was not available tonight.

  • Matt Welch||

    Because one of the purposes of the program is to cross-examine those who wield power.

  • Plàyà Manhattan!!||

    Welch is able to comment during the squirrel storm. Suspicious...

  • paranoid android||

    If one were hypothetically going to start a Kickstarter campaign to crowd-fund a large donation to Reason that was conditioned on one of you spitting on that bastard on national television, how much would need to be raised?

  • Cytotoxic||

    As long as they crush him with facts-like the fact that crime has only gone up under his watch-then it's okay.

    You know what? That still doesn't cut they should put him under citizen's arrest on air.

  • ||

    I like your idea, but it's a pre-taped show. I think some of the comments earlier were traveling through time, so you may have some luck with it.

  • GILMORE||

    "sloopyinva (previously -inca)|6.20.14 @ 5:31PM|#

    Why would you guys have Arpaio on your show? "

    Don't worry though! the panel will be SUPER prepared and totally have thought out how to calmly corner him rather than just spaz out and shout over each other going, "NO YOU DIH-INT!" and "Oh YES YOU DID!" because these guys are *Professionals* and have some serious expertise dealing with controversial guests and complex topics, and would *never* just scream half coherently at the guest who will manage to get away just smiling and repeating tired cliches and still look better off in the end.

    That sort of thing would never happen.

  • Derpetologist||

    All 3 hosts ought to practice debating each topic before the show.

    The worst thing for an idea is not being attacked, but it being defended badly.

    *Cough* Kennedy *Cough**Cough*

  • Bobarian||

    Prepare for the show? NEVER!

  • ||

    Fist should be happy that Squirrelmaggedon will keep us from clogging up the TI thread early.

  • Longtorso, Johnny||

    It will be interesting to see what happens if the GOP nominee opposed the Iraq war and the Dem nominee voted for it:

    RAND PAUL: What's Happening In Iraq Is Not Obama's Fault

  • Matt Welch||

    Yeah, blogged that earlier today before the Squirrels ate my homework!

  • Derpetologist||

    Neither rain, nor sleet, nor storm of skwerlz will keep me from my appointed rounds.

    My first derp offering features an animal rights protest against the dairy industry. Enjoy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R6bqSzAsc8

  • Sevo||

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