Responses to Reason’s Gamer Poll: Is Personal Choice Really a Libertarian Thing?

Would you kindly stop trying to lecture people on what this game is really about?BioshockReason’s video game-themed issue has garnered some media attention and observations from places like The Washington Post, Roll Call, and The Huffington Post (who predictably declared the parody cover as sexist). Several gamer-oriented sites also noticed our coverage and offered some links to our content, particularly our analysis of how frequent gamers answered poll questions on political issues.

Comments on the gaming sites have been interesting and a bit of a learning experience about how poll outcomes get reported. There’s a reason we titled our analysis “What’s Libertarian About Gamers?” instead of “Gamers Are Libertarian!” We did specifically look at trends where gamers have a particular approach toward public policy that differs from the main. In some cases, we point out, they’re more liberal. In others, particularly in areas of personal autonomy, we described them as more libertarian. Some commenters at other sites pushed back on this representation and wanted to lump personal choice as a progressive or Democratic position.

From Ars Technica:

Most Gamers generally support ideas that span both parties: better content ownership (Dems fight against), Less moral panic and censorship (Repubs fight against), Net Neutrality from ISP's (Libertarians fight against).

To take the single point about Censorship (which to be honest, both parties push for from time to time, but have historically been more Conservative Politicians) and to make larger points about "gamers" and how libertarian they are, is sooooo dumb.

Another:

LOL, i like the implication that the progressive platform is more government regulations about what people can do with their lives or bodies. Sounds like they are building up a straw man of other political ideologies, then interpreting the poll results in a way to bolster their own view while attacking their straw man competitors.

That must be a Libertarian thing to do...

And from Balloon Juice:

Since when were liberals or progressives into controlling what people can do with their bodies & lives? Aren’t we the ones who are for freedom of choice & more sensible drug laws? The government regulating how much arsenic a corporation can dump in a river has nothing to do with personal freedom.

Well, Balloon Juice commenter (and others), perhaps you should check out our list of dumb quotes about the evils of video games by politicians and pundits. They are well represented by members of both parties. In California, it was progressive Democrat Leland Yee who pushed for a ban on sales of violent video games to minors, a law that was tossed out by the Supreme Court (and now he has much bigger problems to deal with). Progressive strongholds like Los Angeles, Chicago, and New York are banning the smoking of e-cigarettes in public places, despite the fact that there’s no evidence that there is any health risk to others in the vapor produced by these devices. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) of the current progressive president has gone after Four Loko for regulations, as have many states and municipalities whose political make-up runs the gamut from left to right. The FDA is also responsible for going after companies like 23andMe for allowing consumers to learn about their own genetic backgrounds and trying to ban trans fats.

And anybody who thinks the Democratic Party is that much better than the Republican Party on drugs isn’t really paying that much close attention. The Department of Justice (DOJ) under Barack Obama is fighting to put people growing medical marijuana behind bars, even in states where it’s legal. The proposed changes in drug sentencing and new clemency guidelines by the DOJ, while a huge improvement, are about achieving some sort of parity and end to disproportionate impact of prison sentences, not any sort of recognition of individual liberty. The administration argues that the sentences are unfair, not the criminalization of personal behavior.

The right to individual choice extends beyond whom you marry and what women do with their bodies. If progressives or liberals think the left is better at personal choice than the right, they better start contacting their Democratic officials, because evidence suggests otherwise.

There have also been some comments wishing that the poll had included broader questions for gamers in areas like gay marriage recognition and net neutrality. I actually agree. These weren’t polls specifically designed for gamers. Rather, we added a question about gaming habits to two of our quarterly polls that tend to ask questions about the hot-button issues of that moment. Then we compared the responses to those of non-gamers in these more specialized polls. I’d love to see somebody take a broader look at the politics of gamers to see if there are other trends of note. Maybe the responses to our own polling will cause a firm like Pew or Rasmussen to take note.

Oh, and an aside to those who think we didn’t know who the characters in Grand Theft Auto V were or what Bioshock was about: Of course we did. Even if Bioshock were intended as some sort of commentary against objectivism or libertarian philosophy, that would make it all the more important a game for libertarians to play.

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  • Hyperion||

    What poll?

  • R C Dean||

    the implication that the progressive platform is more government regulations about what people can do with their lives or bodies

    Just what does he think the progressive platform consists of, anyway?

  • LynchPin1477||

    Hanging out with the cool kids and feeling superior to rural hicks.

  • ||

    I'm actually stunned that he's (presumably) delusional enough to write that. It's bonecrushingly un-self-aware.

  • Hugh Akston||

    It's amazing that he can get out bed in the morning without bumping his forehead on his own coccyx.

  • ||

    He probably had it surgically removed.

  • Almanian!||

    Thanks, Obamacare!

  • ||

    Reading comments at Polygon and Kotaku for at least the past 8 months or so.

    Left wing gamers (or at least left wing gamers who chose to post comments on gamer sites) are perhaps the stupidest left wingers on the planet.

  • Marshall Gill||

    Worse than even youtube comments? Unpossible.

  • ||

    Yes, and I've noticed that they're all pro Net Neutrality too, which fits right in with being the stupidest anything.

  • Pro Libertate||

    How about a network built on free market principles, so it will be cheap and technologically awesome, like TVs? I just bought a 50' 1080p for less than $500. And not one of those freaky Best Buy brands, either, like ZOMBALIC or whatever.

  • Hyperion||

    Dude, you don't get it.

    If the government controlled all production, sure we'd all still be watching a 19" Zenith CRT. But we'd all be more equal!

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    And one would only need to have waited 20 hours in line at GUM to have purchased one!

  • Hyperion||

    Plus, you would be standing in line with your wheelbarrow full of hyper-inflated dollars to buy it. But we'd all be more equal?

  • McLintock!||

    Try the IGN comments... Mind numbing.

  • ||

    Left wing dumb or just dumb in general.

    Arguing who is cooler for playing the cooler game is apolitical stupidity in my opinion.

    Though I will admit I indulge in that sort of stupidity from time to time.

    For example:

    Episiarch, you have the worst taste in everything!!

  • Bubba Jones||

    Balloon juice is the refuge of the dumbest and least self aware progs.

  • Hyperion||

    And I bet they think that site name has some type of profound significance which proves how enlightened they are.

  • sloopyinca||

    I'm pretty sure "balloon juice" has something to do with santorum and used condoms. So in this case, it is significant because it describes the contents of their commentariat's skulls perfectly.

  • jester||

    Come now!

  • Brandon||

    Balloon Juice actually has a fallacy named after it. Even HuffPo doesn't have that.

  • Warren's Strapon||

    "George Bush is a shitty president, so I'm now a raging progressive" is a logical fallacy? I mean, I guess it is, but it seems so specific.

  • Nooge.||

    Just what does he think the progressive platform consists of, anyway?

    What he thinks likely changes based on what's most convenient for him at any particular moment.

  • buybuydandavis||

    If it feels good, think it.

  • ||

    It's as if he thinks that one's choice of career isn't about "what people do with their lives".

    If someone wants to grow GMO crops or open a restaurant, or drive a taxicab or rent their spare room out to strangers, let me break it to you, but, that's something they are doing with their life!!

  • PapayaSF||

    Since when were liberals or progressives into controlling what people can do with their bodies & lives?

    Is he kidding? Aspects of "bodies and lives" that liberals or progressives have sought to control or ban, in the last century, off the top of my head:

    - alcohol
    - tobacco
    - large servings of soda
    - cosmetic breast implants
    - working for less than minimum wage
    - using unapproved pharmaceuticals, or approved ones in unapproved ways
    - catastrophic ("major medical") health insurance

  • LynchPin1477||

    - guns
    - Uber, AirBnB, etc.
    - how people donate their money
    - powdered alcohol (thought it was worth its own mention)
    - energy production/consumption
    - where you educate your children
    - where you buy your goods from (i.e., protectionism)

  • heartburn||

    polygamy
    prostitution
    trans fats
    gambling
    driving w/o seatbelts
    riding w/o helmets
    living w/o insurance
    coal

  • Warren's Strapon||

    Foie gras

  • heartburn||

  • SlV||

    Whether you will be allowed to reproduce or should be sterilized instead.

    Whether you will be treated for syphilis or die from it.

  • jester||

    -what music you listen to (anyone remember Tipper Gore?)
    -subsidized art and entertainment or other 'high-brow' media that must be out there because the market fails! OMG!

  • Hyperion||

    Also, GMO crops, and pretty much all free market economic activity (that does have a major effect on lives).

  • Emmerson Biggins||

    writing political books that they disagree with (Citizens United).

  • Wasteland Wanderer||

    I thought Citizens United was over an anti-Hillary documentary movie?

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    The Solicitor General admitted in the oral argument that their argument for the censorship of the movie would also allow the censorship of books.

  • PapayaSF||

    Which should have made the CU decision unanimous, but to the shame of the "liberals" on the Court, did not.

  • ||

    Having a television news channel that reports from a point of view they don't like (Fox News).

  • The Original Jason||

    Growing wheat for home consumption, being the third generation of "imbeciles" and breeding...

  • Paul.||

    Having sex without a condom.

  • jester||

    Fucking a chick when you're drunk, because if she changes her mind ex post facto, you're fucked.

  • ||

    Porn and other sex work. The anti-prostitution "movement" is chock-a-bloc with progressives. Those women selling their bodies are brainwashed and victims of the patriarchy and therefore can't make their own decisions about whom to fuck and why.

  • ||

    In fact, NPR had an article the other day about some chick that decided to forego college in favor of a career in porn. NPR was derisive in saying that her friends chose "careers", implying that porn is not a career, and the commenters were their usual elitist, proggie selves.

  • jester||

    Because no proggie has ever looked at porn on the internet ever! and if they have, it is why the state must move in and ban it. To protect themselves from their basest desires.

  • ||

    Hilary and Bill and Obama supported the Protection of marriage act.

  • Warren's Strapon||

    Short version: the left wants to control what goes into or comes out of your mouth, unless it's a dick and you're not receiving money for it.

  • prolefeed||

    You, sir, win one internets for this threadwinner!

  • Agammamon||

    OK, *except for

    alcohol
    tobacco
    large servings of soda
    cosmetic breast implants
    working for less than minimum wage
    using unapproved pharmaceuticals, or approved ones in unapproved ways
    catastrophic ("major medical") health insurance
    guns
    Uber, AirBnB, etc.
    how people donate their money
    powdered alcohol (thought it was worth its own mention)
    energy production/consumption
    where you educate your children
    where you buy your goods from (i.e., protectionism
    polygamy
    prostitution
    trans fats
    gambling
    driving w/o seatbelts
    riding w/o helmets
    living w/o insurance
    coal
    free speech
    GMO crops, and pretty much all free market economic activity (that does have a major effect on lives).
    writing political books that they disagree with (Citizens United).
    Growing wheat for home consumption, being the third generation of "imbeciles" and breeding...
    Having sex without a condom.

    liberals don't really want to control what people do with their bodies and lives.

  • prolefeed||

    You left off:

    Making profits in approved ways or unapproved amounts.

    Selling groceries in plastic bags.

    Selling bread made by non-unionized shops that isn't labeled in disparaging ways.

    Selling inexpensive goods to poor people in stores beginning with "Wal" in their name.

    Wanting to ranch lands coveted by politically connected insiders, ostensibly to protect tortoises that are then murdered anyway.

    Getting married to more than one mate, even if it involves buttsecks.

    Selling fatty goose livers.

    And so on.

  • Agammamon||

    All right then, *except* for

    alcohol
    tobacco
    large servings of soda
    cosmetic breast implants
    working for less than minimum wage
    using unapproved pharmaceuticals, or approved ones in unapproved ways
    catastrophic ("major medical") health insurance
    guns
    Uber, AirBnB, etc.
    how people donate their money
    powdered alcohol (thought it was worth its own mention)
    energy production/consumption
    where you educate your children
    where you buy your goods from (i.e., protectionism
    polygamy
    prostitution
    trans fats
    gambling
    driving w/o seatbelts
    riding w/o helmets
    living w/o insurance
    coal
    free speech
    GMO crops, and pretty much all free market economic activity (that does have a major effect on lives).
    writing political books that they disagree with (Citizens United).
    Growing wheat for home consumption, being the third generation of "imbeciles" and breeding...
    Having sex without a condom.
    Making profits in approved ways or unapproved amounts.
    Selling groceries in plastic bags.
    Selling bread made by non-unionized shops that isn't labeled in disparaging ways.
    Selling inexpensive goods to poor people in stores beginning with "Wal" in their name.
    Wanting to ranch lands coveted by politically connected insiders, ostensibly to protect tortoises that are then murdered anyway.
    Getting married to more than one mate, even if it involves buttsecks.
    Selling fatty goose livers.

    What have liberals every *really* tried to control?

  • trshmnster the terrible||

    Also missed flavoring "adult" consumables with sweet flavors, donating food to the hungry that has passed its sell-by date, fracking, demographics of institutes of higher learning, balance of college sport teams by gender, transport and sale of any "special" pet animals or ornamental plants, religious expression in a school building even when the building was specifically rented for a religious purpose.

  • sloopyinca||

    Jesus Tittyfucking Christ. Do I have to post this video so you other people get the goddamn joke?

  • Brandon||

    Can't watch Youtube, but I assume it's a LoB video?

  • PapayaSF||

    Yes.

  • ||

    -opening a restaurant without a handicapped ramp

    -selling raw milk

    -parking a food truck on the street

    -building a new hospital without a "certificate of need"

    -renovating your house in an unapproved way

    -building a house that isn't to code

    -opening a commercial business in a non-commercial zone

    -building pretty much anything without getting permission from the city council

    -deviating from the plan

    -growing more of any crop than your quota

    -pursuing an occupation without obtaining a license

    -making sushi without rubber gloves

    -making porn without condoms

  • prolefeed||

    Forgot to include:

    Not being drone murdered without a trial or probable cause or even any publicly available reason by a socipath who brags in front of cameras about being "good at killing people".

  • jester||

    Food miles
    What you can do with your land
    DUI laws
    Letting certain companies dissolve because of JOBZ.

  • heartburn||

    Wait. Balloon Juice comments are moderated? how ironic.

  • jester||

    Which is fine because it is a private blog. I suspect there are other motives yonder, however.

  • Hugh Akston||

    Since when were liberals or progressives into controlling what people can do with their bodies & lives? Aren’t we the ones who are for freedom of choice & more sensible drug laws?

    So I can choose to buy raw milk from the supermarket? I can choose to buy a meal from food trucks that park where ever there is parking? I can choose to eat fast food for lunch in an urban area? I can choose to puff away on my e-cig anywhere I want? I can choose to raise chickens on my property? Or bees? or pot? I can choose to pull my kids out of a public school that is failing in its basic mission? I can choose not to be represented by a union even if everyone else in my workplace is? I can choose not to wear a helmet when I ride my bike or my big gay motorcycle? I can choose to refuse to do business with people who smell? I can choose not to buy health insurance if I don't need it? And if I buy health insurance, I can choose a policy that doesn't cover things I don't want like maternity care and prescription drugs?

  • LynchPin1477||

    The thing is, this person would probably be sincerely surprised to learn that progressives aren't for a lot of those things.

  • phandaal||

    I think you meant to say "angry and would probably bring up ultra-megacorporations dumping toxic bible runoff into his backyard."

    Oh, and Mitt Romney or something.

  • SlV||

    toxic bible runoff

    lol! Excellent

    Tell it to your Atheist chaplain, soldier

  • Hyperion||

    more sensible drug laws?

    The only sensible drug laws are no drug laws. It is not any of the governments damn business what anyone puts into their own body.

  • Warren's Strapon||

    Even if you grant him his premise, progressives sure as fuck don't vote that way. How many Democrats are running on "more sensible drug laws" platforms again? Two Republican candidates ran on them in 2012, which is two more than the Democrats put up.

  • Hyperion||

    It seems to be to be about even as for the number of team red or team blue law makers who are coming out in favor of more lenient laws for pot, or even complete decrim or legalization. But the progs will never admit to this, despite the facts, they will swear all team blue law makers favor drug law reform and that all Rethuglicans oppose it.

    They don't actually do research, they get their daily talking points and run with them.

  • Warren's Strapon||

    Eh, I was being snarky and referring to the presidential race. I'm sure there are a few anti-WoD Democrats out there, but they're a distinct minority (as they are with Republicans).

  • ||

    Those things don't count, Hugh, and you didn't want them anyway. Trust me, I know what's best for you, and that's why I'm not into controlling what people can do with their bodies and lives. See?

  • Paul.||

    I can choose to raise chickens on my property? Or bees?

    Hold on now, the progressive urban farming types do like this.

  • prolefeed||

    Unless it lowers their property values. Or offends their sense of aesthetics.

    Oh, and left off:

    Putting campaign signs up at unapproved times before an election.

    Or putting stuff in a private mailbox that doesn't have a government tax stamp on it.

    Running a private mail delivery service for smallish envelopes.

  • jester||

    Chickens are difficult to raise close to other homes. But I wonder what people would say about a GMO chicken with out a larynx?

  • jester||

    Or do thy have a syrinx?

  • Stormy Dragon||

    can choose to raise chickens on my property? Or bees?

    Depends, am I allowed to put traps out on my property to defend myself from assault by your bees?

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    to defend myself from assault by your bees?

    Yes, because hobbyist beekeepers are just chomping at the bit for the opportunity to raise Africanized honey bees.

  • Hugh Akston||

    I don't want Africanized bees in my neighborhood. They're just a nuisance, with their loud buzzing and outlandish colors and aggressive attitudes. I'm fine with them having their own areas, but I don't like the idea of them sticking their big dirty stingers into my daughter.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Maybe if your daughter covered up her thorax from time to time, she wouldn't attract so much attention.

    Just sayin'

  • Wasteland Wanderer||

    Yeah...honeybees are pretty docile. You pretty much have to directly mess with one or the hive in order to get them to sting you.

    We have a great big hive living in one of the old outbuildings. We leave it alone because they help fertilize the crops. Never been stung by one, even though the hive is only a hundred or so yards from the house.

  • ||

    My niece had me saving bees from the swimming pool at my parents' house over mother's day. I don't think my sister was too happy about me letting my niece study them up close if she promised not to swat at them or blow on them while they walked on my hand.

    My niece and I seem to be the only ones in my family not terrified of bees.

  • Wasteland Wanderer||

    I don't think I'd let one stay on me very long...I've never been stung by one, and I have some weird allergies; I don't think I want to find out if being stung by one will send me into anaphylactic shock.

    But I don't run from them or try to kill them either.

    I have no mercy for wasps, though.

  • ||

    Bees and bumblebees will die if they sting you so they tend to be pretty mellow; just don't mess with them too much.

    Now, white-faced hornets? RUN RUN RUN RUN

  • Hugh Akston||

    The Juggalo of the insect world.

  • ||

    We had wasps coming over the wall from our neighbor's yard last summer. It was miserable while we waited for them to take care of it.

    I've only been stung by a bee once and it was entirely my fault: I tripped and landed palm down on top of one. My HS had a hive that someone tripped over and they swarmed the campus. I sat calmly reading on the lawn and still didn't get stung (although the algebra teacher, who was driven mad with fear of Africanized bees, eventually dragged me inside while ranting about THE BEES!).

  • ||

    I once was on a hike and someone in front of me stepped on a rock that covered a yellow jacket hive. I got stung 26 times (believe me, I counted every single one). The really ridiculous thing is that my sister was supposed to be on that hike with me, but I ditched her because I didn't want to deal with her. And my sister is allergic to bees and wasps. So if I hadn't been a jerk older brother, she might have died. Yay for jerk older brothers!

    NOT THE BEES

  • ||

  • jester||

    No worries. You won't be charged for the benefit they are to pollinating flowering plants.

  • MJGreen||

    LOL, thinking personal choice means anything other than abortion is soooooo naive.

  • R C Dean||

    Help me out here.

    If I were to ask a proggy "What does the government do now that you don't think it should do?", what would it say? I can think of three or four things off the top of my head:

    (1) restrict abortions.
    (2) not license gay marriage (I know, they've got this one backwards)
    (3) outlaw pot
    (4) bomb brown people.

    Two of those, most libertarians would agree with. On the other two, libertarain opinion is split).

    Anything else?

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

    "Subsidize" corporations?

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

    The "wrong" corporations of course. Subsidizing the good ones is OK.

    Although I suppose that goes for your point 4 as well. The bad brown people need to be bombed, just not the good ones.

  • Hyperion||

    (5) Not stop giving me free shit.

  • MJGreen||

    Give tax breaks to millionaires / corporations.

    Not give enough money to the poor.

    Not ensure social/economic justice.

    My guess is that the above answers would come before your #3 and 4 for many progs.

  • R C Dean||

    Problem is, MJ, those aren't government doing something now that it shouldn't do (with the possible exception of the first one).

  • lap83||

    If I were to ask a proggy "What does the government do now that you don't think it should do?", what would it say?

    1) Being so darn austere all the time
    2) Making it legal for Teathuglicans to exist
    3) Keeping that ancient, annoying constitution thingy around.

  • ||

    Since when were liberals or progressives into controlling what people can do with their bodies & lives?

    This is serious? Like, serious serious?

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

    Except for the things that don't count.

  • Hyperion||

    Totally serial.

  • ||

    If you ever needed more proof that people like this guy are living in a fantasy world, there you go. But remember: for them, only words matter. So if they say they're not into controlling people's bodies and lives, for them that's it. They really think they aren't, no matter what their actual actions are or the actions of people they support. None of that matters. Just words.

    It would be funny and sad if there weren't so many of them and they weren't so malignant.

  • ||

    They support your freedom to get an abortion, to get gay married, or to buy small amounts of weed at a large markup from a tightly regulated and crooked marijuana market. What other freedom could you want?

  • ||

    The freedom to choose which hand my sex-monitoring chip is implanted in?

  • ||

    The freedom to choose a weekend with the Pain Monster, the list goes on. We have so much freedom it makes me sick.

  • sloopyinca||

    Epi, why the hell would you need a sex-monitoring chip?

  • ||

    To keep track of your mom?

  • sloopyinca||

    Touche.

  • Hyperion||

    What other freedom could you want?

    The freedom to get free shit that was stolen from others.

  • ||

    Having a job or a business that makes money doesn't count as doing something with your life.

    Only smoking weed and fucking does.

  • ||

    Shackford also got some linkage over at Towleroad's news roundup for his article on Jared Polis.

    Rep. Jared Polis on playing 'Diablo' and 'Civilization V': "It's one of the main things I do with my free time as recreation," Polis says. "I'm definitely a gamer."
  • MJGreen||

    So he's a Satanist who dreams of world domination?

  • ||

    Aren't we all?

    THANK YOU SATAN

  • ||

    Damn it, Epi! It only works if they aren't sure who is and isn't a Devil worshipper. You can't go around announcing it like that.

  • ||

    Well, the 666 on my forehead sort of gives me away so I don't bother being subtle. Did you know my real name is Damien?

  • ||

    Shut up, MINE TOO!

  • ||

    Wait a second, jesse. Did you also grow up in a compound in Brazil with a Gregory Peck-looking guy always around who made sure you always had a bowl cut?

  • Hyperion||

    If this is true, then Jesse had better be offering us all a ride on his Satanic Nazi designed UFO and take us on a tour of the Satanic Nazi lairs deep below the Amazon.

  • ||

    You would be from the Brazil compound.

  • ||

    Well of course, jesse. But I laser. It's like a turtle shell down there.

    (taps crotch)

  • ||

    It's like a turtle shell down there.

    How very '90s of you.

  • Hyperion||

    You would be from the Brazil compound.

    Yeah, but they won't let me drive a UFO, because I refuse to cut off my goat into a hitler stache.

  • ||

    Have you tried telling them you'll teach the controversy? They get all puffed up with the attention and let you get away with murder...well they actually encourage the murder human sacrifice, but that's neither here nor there.

  • Hyperion||

    I think we need to send Welch down, and he can do that hitler stache, since it would actually make him look cooler.

  • ||

    All the cool kids got their 666 forehead tattoo's turned into smiley faces.

  • sloopyinca||

    Did you know my real name is Damien?

    Hoo-boy. That takes me back. We were riding around in Richmond, VA one night in The Fan, drunk as hell, and the guy driving turned the wrong way on a one-way street. The cops were on us within about a half a block and we pulled up on the curb. My buddy driving (Damien) gave the cop his Irish drivers license and the cop said "What's your name? Desmond? Dermont? How do you pronounce it?" Which prompted my buddy in the back to roll down the window and stick over half of his body out the window and yell "It's Damien, as in the antichrist."

    The cop handed his license back and actually stopped traffic while we made a u-turn. He told us to pull into the next lot we could find and he wouldn't take us all to jail. I remember very little about the rest of that night.

  • Hyperion||

    So, he has bad taste in gaming. How's his voting record?

  • Horatio||

    Eh, Diablo is pretty good. Only video game I can get my wife to play. Damn, that was the opposite of an endorsement. NVM

  • Hyperion||

    It's all a matter of opinion, I guess. I just hate the isometric overhead view in games. I can tolerate party based games where you can change the camera angle to something more like 3rd person, like with Dragonage or Drakensang.

  • ||

    Diablo II was great. Diablo III sucks (though they've supposedly improved the loot drops instead of trying to force people into the auction houses, but hey guys, that's a little too late; I have Path of Exile now). And Civ V is fun, unfortunately I just don't have the time to play out a huge game.

  • ||

    Can you play Path of Exile offline/privately online?

  • ||

    I don't think you can play it offline, but you absolutely can play it privately.

  • ||

    Hmmm, since it's free I may try it after I finish Torchlight II.

  • ||

    It's way better than Torchlight II. To quote the person who told me about it, "it's the sequel to Diablo II that Diablo III wasn't".

  • Agammamon||

    Possibly. Look around Youtube and you might find some of the server redirect hacks for POE that people were using to play Diablo 3 offline.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PhIFCoY8hk

  • ||

    I don't mind the online thing, I just want to deal with other people as little as possible.

  • prolefeed||

    And Civ V is fun, unfortunately I just don't have the time to play out a huge game.

    Civ 5 is fun at first, but the micromanagement tends to bog it down about half way thru.

    That, and dumb stuff like a Cho-Ko-Nu archer being a more effective city defensive unit than mechanized modern units that don't fling artillery or whatever.

  • trshmnster the terrible||

    I found it fun the first time through, but the game is way too linear, and I agree about the micromanagement.

  • Paul.||

    personal choice as a progressive or Democratic position.

    Huuhuh. Huhuhuhuh. Uhhuhuhuh.

  • ||

    Some good stuff over at Balloon Juice.

    Violet says:
    May 9, 2014 at 3:03 pm
    @Trollhattan: According to RationalWiki, it’s bankrolled by the usual suspects including the Kochs and Scaife foundations.
    Alex S. says:
    May 9, 2014 at 4:41 pm
    @Mike in NC:

    Libertarians don’t recognize when they’re being made fun of. The problem is that they actually like the horror visions of these libertarian nightmares. Suderman looks at Fallout III (Washington D.C. has turned into a radioactive pile of trash) and thinks that the biggest problem in this world is with people trying to take your guns away.
    Crouchback says:
    May 10, 2014 at 10:06 am
    @lol: The basic concept isn’t weird – they’re trying to say gamers aren’t losers by referencing and altering the original drawing. The problem as already noted is that the man still looks like kind of a jerk. Maybe if they showed the man and woman playing the video game together it would work. It’s unintentionally amusing because it shows how the Reason crowd likes to think of themselves as hipster rebels but also want material success and don’t want to offend the establishment too much. Remember, Reason et al are basically hipster wannabes funded by old Koch brothers fossil fuel money. The contradictions are bound to cause weirdness.
  • Warren's Strapon||

    I earn my living from fossil fuel money, and I'm proud of it.

  • Paul.||

    As do I.

    Why, just this morning, fossil fuels got me to work.

  • ||

    Fossil fuels got me to work, too, and I take the train.

  • Hyperion||

    I have an electric car, so I NEVER use fossil fuels. The electricity for the charging station is generated by magical unicorns running in a giant rainbow colored hamster wheel.

  • Paul.||

    It COULD be generated by a sustainable windmill!

  • Hyperion||

    Yeah, only if we were willing to cut down every tree in the country, it COULD be.

  • jester||

    ...which are grazed in natural rain-watered fields.

  • PapayaSF||

    Fossil fuels got "Crouchback" to work, too, assuming he works.

  • Paul.||

    I have this slutty fantasy where we could flip a switch, make everything like these lefties want, and then have an officious nurse-ratchett type with a clipboard stride up to them and tell them which farm -collective they're to report to for work the next morning.

  • ||

    Yeah, but they don't actually want what they say. They want control and they always assume in their fantasy that they're part of the ruling class. It's idiotic and moronic, but that's what it is.

  • Hyperion||

    Exactly this. They have this insane fantasy that if they just give the government all the power it wants, that it will never be bad for them, because they are the chosen ones. That 'when they came for me' shit is just part of the vast right wing tin foil hat conspiracy.

  • ||

    My god the projection is fucking EPIC.

  • Archduke von Pantsfan||

    does our short urban planner still live there?

  • Paul.||

    He went to Kos. Did he also swing Balloon Juice?

  • flye||

    I like comments where people admonish "Remember," because I always add "your scriptures." What follows is just reiterating what shall not be questioned.

  • Hyperion||

    and don’t want to offend the establishment too much

    LMAO! FTW???

  • ||

    According to RationalWiki, it’s bankrolled by the usual suspects including the Kochs and Scaife foundations.

    They actually cited that circlejerk RationalWiki for something? According to its own creators, it's a joke.

  • heartburn||

    Someone should explain to Alex S. that Washington DC isn't a radioactive pile of trash in Fallout 3 because of guns. It's a radioactive pile of trash because of governments.

  • Hyperion||

    No, you see it happened after a Koch funded effort allowed everyone to carry their own nukes, and someone got pissed off because their Koch check was short by $0.03 that month, and so decided to nuke the government.

  • cavalier973||

    The reality-stretching part of that scenario is that the world becomes a dystopia afterward.

  • Paul.||

    According to RationalWiki, it’s bankrolled by the usual suspects including the Kochs and Scaife foundations.

    Scaife? That's a name I haven't heard since the 90s.

  • sarcasmic||

    The right to individual choice extends beyond whom you marry and what women do with their bodies.

    Not to the left it doesn't. You have a choice when it comes to where you stick it or what you stick into it, and that's as far as it goes.

    All other choices are to be made for you by authority.

  • Gbob||

    Well, unless you're a man who wants to stick it inside a woman who has had a few drinks or changes her mind a few days after. In which case, rape culture and all that.

  • sarcasmic||

    True. Men are only allowed choice when other men are involved. When women are involved the choice is all theirs.

  • Warren's Strapon||

    Or a woman you've given money to.

  • ||

    When I tell people that I am a libertarian I get pelted with dumb shit like, "Without the government you would still be in slavery or be under the Jim Crow system." They say this with a smug look on their faces until I point out that slavery and Jim Crow was law and enforced by the government. You can usually see their brains explode and the ad hominems coming out of their mouths.

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

    It takes government to fix the problems caused by government, while introducing new problems that will require their own government solutions later. What part of that don't you get, Ed?

  • Agammamon||

    Give Mr. Wuncler a break, he owns the bank that owns your house.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    the ad hominems coming out of their mouths

    Oh, and I can guess at what those ad hominems usually are.

  • sarcasmic||

    Lefttards feel that personal attacks are compelling arguments. This is because they judge ideas based more upon the source than the merit of the idea itself.

    Einstein said socialism was grand, and he's like really smart and stuff, so socialism is great!

    Thomas Jefferson owned slaves, and slavery is like really bad and stuff, so everything he said about liberty is wrong!

    Those ad hominems make them feel better because by attacking you as a person they feel that they are discrediting your ideas.

  • Hyperion||

    Einstein said socialism was grand, and he's like really smart and stuff, so socialism is great!

    Thomas Jefferson owned slaves, and slavery is like really bad and stuff, so everything he said about liberty is wrong!

    Excellent points.

  • ||

    I can't understand how people can be against an enitity that has a monopoly on force and coercion gaining more power. When you give a group of individuals who have that monopoly all sorts of power, they are going to use that violence to create special privileges for themselves and their friends.

  • sarcasmic||

    special privileges for themselves and their friends.

    That's right. That's why you network. That's why you have lots of friends and go to the right schools and take the right classes and be in the right clubs. Because if you play things right, you will be one of those friends who gets special privileges.

    That's why who matters more than what.

  • LynchPin1477||

    I can't understand how people can be against an enitity that has a monopoly on force and coercion gaining more power.

    This is why progressives are so obsessed with democracy. As long as they let people vote, they can assuage their guilty consciences.

  • ||

    Werner Heisenberg was a Nazi, so The Uncertainty Principle is total bunk!

  • Hyperion||

    Whenever I suddenly announce, for whatever reason to someone, that I'm libertarian, I almost always get a sort of bemused look and a sort of, I am sure, totally unintentional coyness. Because it takes them totally unexpectedly. They don't have any fucking idea, none, what a libertarian is.

    Then, you can see that they are searching their thoughts, thinking something like 'libertarian, liberty??? Wait, these are those crazies who believe in stuff that some white dudes who owned slaves, came up with like 200 years ago! They must be racist and totally out of their mind!'

  • sarcasmic||

    I tend to keep my libertarianism to myself, much like I keep my atheism to myself.

    Even if asked directly I usually kick the can.

    Mostly because if I don't have time to clear up the misconceptions, then I'm going to answer the question.

    Early in life I was made fun of for answering questions in paragraphs instead of sentences. So if I can't answer in a sentence, I often avoid answering.

  • Hyperion||

    I won't kick the can, if I'm asked. I usually do not volunteer it, but I won't hold it back if the opportunity presents itself, and never if I'm asked.

  • prolefeed||

    I give a one or two sentence answer: "We're for liberty in all aspects of everyone's lives, both social and financial."

    I might expand on that if they ask intelligent follow up questions and seem open-minded about the possibility of more liberty being a good thing, rather than just partisanly dickish.

  • $park¥ has had enough||

    Same here. I generally try not to get into the spittle-flecked ranting that comes next, because I don't care if other people have stupid ideas about my thoughts. If someone wants to spend some time on an honest discussion though, I'll spend as long as it takes to get my position out there.

  • Hyperion||

    If a prog suddenly finds enlightenment and self awareness, and breaks free of the hive mind, they'll become libertarian. If they don't, I really don't think there is anything you can say to help them. I try, but I find progs a lot less willing to have a political conversation, than say, SoCons.

    SoCons are every bit as annoying as progs, but they typically seem more open to listening to your viewpoints. Progs, most of them, will stick their fingers in their ears and scream, they absolutely do not want their beliefs challenged.

  • $park¥ has had enough||

    I live in Mass, I don't have much hope that I'll change any minds around here. That being said, from time to time I do get to see a slight glimmer of a spark in the eyes that things are not as super-happy-awesome as progressives always make things out to be. I started a new job a couple months ago and have at least one other person who almost completely agrees with me on many things, so maybe the movement is growing.

  • sarcasmic||

    Hmmm. How to succinctly describe libertarianism.

    Maybe a quote from the country's first president:

    "Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."
    G.W.

    That doesn't mean no government. It means remember that government has one and only one tool.

    Having a hammer doesn't make the world a nail.

  • All-Seeing Monocle||

    OT: I am trying not to be a Philistine about the Firefox v29 UI updates, but the reload button on the far right side of the address bar, with no ability to relocate it unless I load another add-on, is really pissing me off.

  • $park¥ has had enough||

    But that's where the reload button goes.

    Honestly, I never knew it could be moved.

  • Marshall Gill||

    I am with you on this. WTF Firefox?

  • prolefeed||

    The government regulating how much arsenic a corporation can dump in a river has nothing to do with personal freedom.

    Because the government ordering around individuals running a corporation in order to make a profit is TOTALLY different than the government allegedly * not ordering around individuals not running a corporation in a non-profit contest.

    * your mileage may vary on this -- see WoD for starters.

  • Pro Libertate||

    Like I've said before, it's all about seeking permission these days, not about having inalienable rights.

  • sarcasmic||

    "It's a free country" has become "Who said you could do that?"

  • phandaal||

    I say "it's a free country" even more nowadays just because of that.

    Or, my own twist: "you're a grown-ass man [or woman], do what you want."

  • Michael S. Langston||

    That which is not expressly allowed, is implicitly banned.

  • Paul.||

    Sir, could you move across the parking lot to the dirt strip behind the dumpsters? That's our first amendment area... oh, I'm sorry sir, it's after 6pm, that's closed. Make sure you have your First Amendment Area license ready and presentable when the security officer comes by to check.

    Do not taunt happy-fun freedoms.

  • $park¥ has had enough||

    OK, but last time I didn't receive a space, and I was told that I could have...

  • Jordan||

    Size of the Federal criminal code: unknown, because several government-led efforts to quantify it have failed
    Size of the Federal administrative code: ~80,000 pages
    Size of the Federal tax code: ~80,000 pages

    The vast majority of those are victimless crimes, i.e. restraints on voluntary interaction. Does anybody honestly believe that Progressives believe any of those need to be significantly pared back? Indeed, anytime anyone suggests it, they're tarred as a Teathuglicanhadist crank who hates children and old ladies.

    Find me a progressive who doesn't believe we need to criminalize even more voluntary choices.

  • ||

    I keep wondering why Obama opposed gay marriage and didn't support it until Biden "misspoke" and forced Obama to support it.

    I guess the Reason line would be that politicians are always the last to know. They are slow react to changes in public opinion.

    But after watching Obama and his shake-down Chicago style politics i am beginning to think he didn't want to solve the issue of gay marriage because if it is solved he no longer has a cudgel to beat the opposition with and to keep his supporters in line.

    If gays can marry then they no longer have anything tethering them to the democrat party. Unlike other Democrat push groups gays as a group are upwardly mobile. They are not economic serfs dependent on the Democrat party's hand outs.

  • Nooge.||

    I read Ars a lot, but much of their commentariat are just fucking retarded.

  • JW||

    I was on the forums from about 99 to 04, (I was even banned by Caesar/Ken Fisher at one point) but I got very, very tired of explaining how the world works to the latest college sophomore to find the forums.

    Every once and while, I wander by and I'm amazed at how many handles I recognize from the old days.

  • buybuydandavis||

    "Since when were liberals or progressives into controlling what people can do with their bodies & lives?"

    haw haw haw haw

    Are they for real?

  • RishJoMo||

    Sometimes man you jsut have to roll wth the punches thatas all dude.

    www.YourAnon.tk

  • ||

    Regulations are about a lot more than dumping arsenic in rivers.

    There is a vast amount of regulatory bullshit at every level of government, from how you can renovate your house, to what sort of crops you can plant, what you can sell and whom you can sell it to, how it must be labeled, how it must be manufactured, what you can pay your workers, what benefits you must provide, who you can compete with, what market you may enter, what licenses you must obtain, what permits you need to get, if you can get them, whom you can rent your spare room to and how often, what size the bathrooms in your restaurant must be, how many handicapped parking spaces you need, what grade the ramp must be, what kind of mats you can have on the floor in the kitchen....

    Not to mention the fact that in addition to all this, your competitors are getting subsidized by the government through specialized tax breaks or are just flat out in cahoots with the city council to shut you down.

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