House Budget Vote Collapses - Is the Shutdown's End In Sight?

Whitehouse.govWhitehouse.govLooks like the government shutdown endgame may be in sight.

House Republicans canceled a planned vote this evening on what would have been a return offer to the Senate deal that was brokered yesterday by Democratic Majority Leader Harry Reid and Republican Minority Leader Mitch McConnell. The full details of that plan are still being hashed out, but it would fund the government through the middle of January, raise the debt limit until February 7 (with the possibility of "extraordinary measures" effectively extending it further), and create a sort of super-duper committee by requiring both committees to appoint conferees to talk about ways to further reduce the debt and deficit by December 13. 

The House bill would have funded the government until December 15 and lifted the debt ceiling until February 7, and also reversed a recent decision allowing Hill staffers and legislators to use their existing employer coverage contribution on health insurance purchased in the exchange. 

But the House plan, which leadership spent all day working on in a last-minute effort to return something to the Senate, was pulled after GOP leadership found that it did not have enough Republican votes to pass the plan. House Democrats had said they would vote against it. 

Which means that the only game in town is the McConnell-Reid deal that appeared on the horizon yesterday. Republicans in the House seem to have accepted that they are now out of manuevers, and that the Senate deal will now pass. 

But not, however, without a large group of House GOP no votes—and an assist from House Democrats. If and when Speaker of the House John Boehner goes ahead and holds a vote on the Senate plan, a sizable group of House Republicans are expected to vote against the proposal. Democrats will make up the difference, and the vote will pass. The shutdown will be over, and the Republicans who pushed for it hardest will have gotten essentially nothing for it. 

Update: Politico has a rundown of the major elements of the deal:

Under the plan, a $986 billion government funding bill would reopen federal agencies until Jan. 15, and the debt ceiling would be lifted until Feb. 7. The two parties would be given the opportunity to cut a larger-scale budget agreement to slash future deficits as a bicameral conference committee would have until Dec. 13 to finalize such a deal.

Democrats won a major White House priority to ensure that the Treasury Department would still have the ability to use “extraordinary measures” to pay its bills in case Congress does not lift the debt ceiling by Feb. 7. Republicans would win a provision ensuring that recipients of Obamacare subsidies meet the required income levels.

And several sources said the deal drops a Democratic priority: No delay of an Obamacare reinsurance tax sought by labor unions, known as the “belly-button tax.”

But the deal punts many of the major issues over deficits and spending, including over whether to lock in 2014 funding levels at $967 billion once the next round of sequestration cuts take effect in January.

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  • Steve G||

    "super-duper committee" That's sounds familiar... almost as if we've done that exercise already.

  • stoneymonster||

    Get ready for the super-duper sequester! Hey that actually
    sounds pretty good.

  • ||

    Perhaps the cuts might actually approach 1%!

  • Sevo||

    Well, the proposed increases might be cut by 1%. Is that enough?

  • Pathogen||

    They wont be happy until old folks are eating dog food, and we're stepping over children's medically neglected bodies in the streets... Because, greedy tea-bigots want 1.27%... the heartless bastards...

  • LarryA||

    What they really need is a new czar.

  • Guy LaGuy||

    Tea Baggers gon' Tea Bag.

  • Sevo||

    Guy LaGuy|10.15.13 @ 9:00PM|#
    "Tea Baggers gon' Tea Bag"
    For which you ought to be eternally grateful.

  • Cascadian Ephor Xenocles||

  • CE||

    ...it would fund the government through the middle of January, raise the debt limit until February 7...

    Wait... shouldn't a debt limit last until that much additional debt is issued, not some arbitrary date? If the government cut spending, they might never hit a higher debt limit, or even the current one.

  • Austrian Anarchy||

    Yes. They have enough money to run the government forever right now. They just have to quit spending so damn much.

  • LarryA||

    If the government cut spending,

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

  • Alice Bowie||

    Another Financial Crisis will break many people.
    A lot of people will fall out of middle and upper middle class.

    Hate to break the news to you. These people are going to need Unemployment insurance along with any safety net they can hold on to.

    I don't think they'll be voting republican.

  • Mint Berry Crunch||

    Really? shrike has been pushing the narrative lately that people who depend on government benefits tend to vote Republican.

  • Agammamon||

    Well, I guess its a good thing that unemployment insurance is provided through the STATE government and not the federal then, right?

  • Brian||

    But, food stamps!

  • Pathogen||

    Cash is a kind of food stamp...

  • Live Free or Diet||

    Cash is a kind of food stamp...

    Cash is supposed to be my fungible (anonymized) proof I have usefully served my fellow man and deserve to be served in return.

  • Sevo||

    Alice Bowie|10.15.13 @ 9:06PM|#
    "Another Financial Crisis will break many people.
    A lot of people will fall out of middle and upper middle class."

    So these people are in those "classes" because of gov't largess?
    Fuck 'em.

  • wef||

    ha! ha!

    con artists fold and

    The dorm-room bullshit artist wins again.

    (the republican party must be destroyed)

  • Jordan||

    Dave's not here, man.

  • wef||

    What the hell?

  • Agammamon||

    Dave? He's not here.

  • Almanian!||

    Hey man...Dave...it's ME!

  • Sevo||

    "(the republican party must be destroyed)"

    (wef needs several brain cells)

  • CatoTheElder||

    Ceterum censeo republicanis factionis esse delendam.

  • robc||

    the republican party must be destroyed

    No problem. I see a number of primary challenges happening.

  • Bardas Phocas||

    Well, we'll always have Shutdownopocolypse.
    Good times.

    I'm looking forward to the sequel this winter.

  • SweatingGin||

    It's been a fun two weeks of shutdown theatre.

    Got a bit of a glimpse of how much dead weight there is, and how vindictive the executive branch can be when threatened.

    Got to see the progs really take their masks off.

    We knew Boehner would fold eventually, too.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    I don't want libertarian festivus to end yet :(

  • Brian||

    I'm looking forward to the budget crisis of this winter, too. The spring budget crisis was good, but the summer budget crisis was only so-so. This fall one is mediocre, but it's showing promise for next spring.

    When does Game of Thrones start again?

  • Brian||

    I'm sorry, I should refer to them by their full titles: the budget crises of the decade of the season.

  • ||

    There is no real budget crisis until the US govt. can no longer borrow money affordably.

  • Jordan||

    It will be a glorious day.

  • The Rt. Hon. Serious Man, Visc||

    The shutdown will be over, and the Republicans who pushed for it hardest will have gotten essentially nothing for it.

    It's almost like they had no idea what they were doing.

  • playa manhattan||

    Almost

  • Bardas Phocas||

    So, like the writers and producers of Battlestar Galactica?
    Every openning credit said, "They have a Plan."

    But they didn't.

  • Jordan||

    It's almost like the Dreaded Cosmotarians were right after all.

  • robc||

    Not even close.

    Sometimes its not about what you achieve, but that you fought in the first place.

  • robc||

    This is what pragmatists will never understand.

  • Winston||

    Not sure how much preferable the pre-emptive surrender is to what is happening now.

  • The Rt. Hon. Serious Man, Visc||

    Fought for what? If it was over Obamacare that makes no sense.

    All they have to do is just say 'I told ya so' when the law beings to fall apart on its own. There was no way in Hell they were ever going to get it defunded.

    And any additional spending cuts could have been achieved on a debt ceiling deal.

  • robc||

    Whatever. Sometimes ya just need to fight.

    There was no way in Hell they were ever going to get it defunded.

    Thats just silly. Of course they could have. If the GOP had stuck together, no one could stop them. Thats the point.

    And any additional spending cuts could have been achieved on a debt ceiling deal.

    Same here. Dont do a deal, and no deal is done.

  • robc||

    Belgium went over 500 days without a government.

    I think the US could have handled 1000 days with a partial shutdown just fine.

  • Almanian!||

    Somalia went, like, FOREVER without a government. Didn't seem to make things any worse....

    /roadz

  • CatoTheElder||

    When ObamaCare is finally recognized as being an economic, social, and cultural failure, Republicans will be very persuasive when they say they told you so.

    Just like when the Iraq war went all to hell, and everybody believed them when they said they were continuing a bipartisan resolution for regime change and obtained bipartisan support for the war.

    This whole episode will either be forgotten, or the MSM/Democrats will convince the hoi polloi that the shutdown caused future ObamaCare debacles.

  • Guy LaGuy||

    Swedish multimillionaire slapped with $130,000 speeding ticket — because he’s rich

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new.....z2hqRCGCYN

  • ||

    Old news. Sweden's been doing this for awhile now, every so often the wires pick up the story.

  • Sevo||

    And brain-deads think it's a good idea.

  • Brian||

    ...create a sort of super-duper committee by requiring both committees to appoint conferees to talk about ways to further reduce the debt and deficit by December 13.

    I think we need to pass a vote to enact a law to create a super-duper committee that will hold a conference to call a convention to nominate electors to choose representatives to form a congress to pass some laws that fix this shit.

  • Pathogen||

    Like all good laws, we won't knows what's in it until we pass it...

  • pan fried wylie||

    You couldn't manage to get any further removed? Like 2-3 more degrees woulda been perfect.

  • Winston||

    When did Peter King join Reason?

    And how long has Boehner been on the Cleveland Browns?

  • cavalier973||

    Republicans in the House seem to have accepted that they are now out of manuevers, and that the Senate deal will now pass.

    Libertarian Christmas has been cancelled.

  • Winston||

    So the libertarian moment still coming? I mean the people wanting the free shit to keep coming means people are becoming more libertarian, right?

  • Almanian!||

    Just had a libertarian moment in the shitter, and MAN do I feel better.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    “It’s all over. We’ll take the Senate deal,” says a senior GOP aide. Senator Mitch McConnell’s office quickly noted to reporters that the Kentucky Republican would be taking back the lead.

    Anonymous GOPer preaches defeat. TEAM Blue laps it up like Shriek laps up santorum.

  • SIV||

    We can always pray for another EBT glitch.

  • Tman||

    Daily Kos blogger :Obamacare will double my monthly premium (according to Kaiser)!!!

    no fair!

    Obama said free shit!

    This isn't free shit!

    For once I recommend you read the comments. The level of sheer obliviousness is stunning.

    Some think the guy who wrote the piece is a "plant". So so so much crow.

  • SweatingGin||

    Did the cleveland browns let him down again, too?

    That thread is the next one down.

  • Tman||

    Ah. Thanks.

  • Sevo||

    Never gets tired.

  • CatoTheElder||

    You mean there's a kossack who actually has a job. On second thought ... probably just taxable trust fund income.

  • Alex||

    The reason is, your policy did not have the minimum provisions required in Obamacare. Therefore, that particular policy will no longer exist under the new law.

    You can't blame Obamacare because you selected substandard insurance.

    Blaming the victim, I see.

  • robc||

    I hope Boehner enjoys his last year+ as speaker.

    He wont be it come Jan of 2015.

  • SweatingGin||

    Seems like he could end up out as speaker before then, too.

  • robc||

    Yeah, I wasnt sure if there was any way to force a vote before the new term, short of him resigning.

  • Pathogen||

    Anything short of Boehner pumping gas or laying sod for a living, is completely unacceptable...

  • robc||

    I could see him getting primaried, but I dont know much about his district.

  • robc||

    Should I call McConnell tomorrow and ask him why he is a pussy?

  • cavalier973||

    I do that anyway. Every day. He weeps and cries because he's weak.

  • Pathogen||

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    Please check one and send check or money order.

  • robc||

    I guess I should check into the final date for a primary challenge.

    Im guessing sometime in January.

  • cavalier973||

    Ann Coulter was on Glenn Beck this morning, arguing that Republicans shouldn't primary McConnell, because she hasn't gotten the chance to service him in the Hall of Statues she doesn't like any of his potential opponents.

  • Pathogen||

    Sadly, there's no way to "primary" Ann Coulter...

  • Ketogenic Paleo||

    Strangely enough, if all Republicans were replaced by Coulter clones at the Federal level, America would be a better place. Because she's an ex-lawyer who actually, seriously believes in the Constitution and States' Rights.

  • Pathogen||

    I guess I'm somewhat more skeptical of the punditry than you are...

  • ||

    I was at a LP meeting years ago and Coulter was there trying to get the party's congressional nomination to face some RINO. When questioned about her position on the War on Drugs she got all outraged and stormed out. It was hilarious.

  • C. Anacreon||

    I always get a kick out of her anti-drug stance, as she is an old Deadhead who used to go on tour traveling with the band -- and it is virtually impossible to have lived that lifestyle without indulging.
    I suppose it's just like the saw that there's no one as anti-smoking as former smokers.

  • robc||

    Looks like 3 other republicans on ballot already.

  • TheZeitgeist||

    The Republicans eat themselves while Clowncrats starve on the harvest of Barrycares. This is good stuff.

  • Winston||

    You Know Who Else benefitted from the Left and mainstream Right's infighting, budget crises and unpopularity?

  • Ted S.||

    Nobody, because 95+% of the people will still vote for TEAM RED! or TEAM BLUE! at the next election.

  • Pathogen||

    Bruce Wayne?

  • cavalier973||

  • TheZeitgeist||

    You Know Who Else benefitted from the Left and mainstream Right's infighting, budget crises and unpopularity?

    Charlie Chaplin? Think I got the mustache right.

  • Pathogen||

    MSNBC?

  • Almanian!||

    Your mom?

  • Almanian!||

    Your mom?

  • cavalier973||

    Your mom?

  • The Rt. Hon. Serious Man, Visc||

    Your mom?

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Your mom?

  • VG Zaytsev||

    His mom!

  • Ketogenic Paleo||

    Ghengis Kahn?

  • seguin||

    KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNN!

  • Rich||

    The full details of that plan are still being hashed out

    *** facepalm ***

    "Full details" for these clowns is stuff like "The Secretary shall appoint a committee to develop regulations for implementing the intent of this Act".

  • Ruckus||

    We need to come up with a term for this (besides FYTW) of this executive created legislation.

  • cavalier973||

    I know! How about FYT...oh, nevermind.

  • Rich||

    I'm not yet inspired to come up with a decent acronym.

    How about "razzlefrats"?

  • cavalier973||

    Obamafail

  • seguin||

    Shirkocracy?

  • Anonymous Coward||

    Obamaites for Action throw a Rally; 16 People Show Up

    A protester held a "Thanks Tea-Tards" sign at a protest against the government shutdown on Tuesday, a sign made all the more obvious because of the rally's sparse attendance. The group Organizing for Action held the protest in response to recent conservative rallies near the capital, and neither of which have made their parties look particularly good.

    The few who did attend the liberal rally didn't do much to help their side's cause. Politico's Reid Epstein tweeted a picture of the "Tea-Tards" sign, which drew plenty of negative attention to the protest's cause by belittling the mentally handicapped. That sign is already being picked up by conservatives like Rep. Steve Stockman. "Will @NBCNews ask @WhiteHouse why @BarackObama's official @OFA events mock the mentally challenged?" Stockman tweeted. In all, only about 16 people attended the OFA rally, which its leaders billed as a "Budget Shutdown Day of Action event."

    Just goes to show that despite their delusions of being the next Civil Rights Movement, most Obamaites are just slacktivists who would rather just chuck in $10 and consider their job done.

  • Pathogen||

    They obviously need a union...

  • Ketogenic Paleo||

    ugh, I hope the PC crowd doesn't go after the word "retard" which doesn't even describe any specific mental disability and is universally understood to only function as an insult when applied to non-retards. Next thing you know we won't be able to accuse bad drivers of being blind...

  • seguin||

    I think they already have. Really, they should just prepare a list of Socially Acceptable Insults.

    Heteronormative
    Redneck
    Extremist

    and so on.

  • PapayaSF||

    White
    Christian
    Southern
    Old

    ...

  • Redmanfms||

    ugh, I hope the PC crowd doesn't go after the word "retard" which doesn't even describe any specific mental disability and is universally understood to only function as an insult when applied to non-retards. Next thing you know we won't be able to accuse bad drivers of being blind...

    Watched Idiocracy on Comedy Central last week and "retard" and "'tard" were bleeped, so it already began.

    Hell, Natalie Portman's character in Garden State went off on some tangent about the word retard being insensitive or something when she was talking about Braff's role as the "retarded quarterback." That movie was made nearly 10 years ago.

  • PapayaSF||

    And thus Comedy Central helps lead the way to Idiocracy. *Sigh*

  • Marshall Gill||

    What, you never watched The Daily Show?

  • Tman||

    Kurtzmann: [on Buttle] You see? The population census has got him down as "dormanted." Uh, the Central Collective Storehouse computer has got him down as "deleted."

    Sam Lowry: Hang on.

    [goes to a computer terminal]

    Kurtzmann: Information Retrieval has got him down as "inoperative." And there's another one - security has got him down as "excised." Administration has got him down as "completed."

    Sam Lowry: He's dead.

  • cavalier973||

    Brazil, right?

    That Michael Palin...*shudders*

  • Tman||

    Yeah, the lineup in that movie is amazing.

    Cast (in credits order)

    It's still Palin, so yeah, but I'm not sure anyone has ever made a movie as dystopian as this one. Makes Time Bandits look like a Disney movie.

  • TheZeitgeist||

    Still have to see Brazil. Kind of embarrassed I so far haven't. iTunes awaits starting...now.

  • cavalier973||

    It's the middle one in the "trilogy" Time Bandits, Brazil, and The Adventures of Baron Munchausen, so naturally it's the darkest one.

  • TheZeitgeist||

    The Adventures of Baron Munchausen

    Now that is a blast from the past. Dang the Reason crowd and memories of truly bizarre flicks worth watching again.

    For the record, last week I downloaded and watched Road Warrior...and people watch Fast and Furious anything? Pathetic!

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    They are doing another one.

  • TheZeitgeist||

    Yeah I know. Filmed a lot of it in Namibia of all places. It will be a bomb with capital B Bomb. Like Aliens and Prometheus, creators of good things don't know when to quit. Especially after a great sequel from no matter how long ago.

    Its kind of like Jordan playing for the Wizards; franchise film makers sometimes don't know when to hang them up - because they fail to see the magic they had is gone.

    Ugh.

  • Tman||

    There are only three Indiana Jones movies. I hear a rumor that they made a fourth one with aliens but HAHAHAHAHAHOHOHOHOHO no wayy..

    (crawls in to corner...)

  • cavalier973||

  • Tman||

    Those guys are great. I love The Dark Knight Rises one.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

  • TheZeitgeist||

    There are only three Indiana Jones movies. I hear a rumor that they made a fourth one with aliens but HAHAHAHAHAHOHOHOHOHO no wayy..

    Look what Lucas did to Star Wars; he's perfect Example A of what I'm talking about.

    The fact he got around to shitting on Indy Jones is just more proof, really. Never saw that movie, and never will if I can help it.

  • seguin||

    Terry Gilliam.

  • ||

    Damn, we just bailed Mexico the fuck out. Crazy finish.

  • Hyperion||

    Speaking of Mexico, has there been any coverage here today about Mexico Cities plan to legalize pot? I haven't had much time today, but I didn't see any stories covering it.

  • Ken Shultz||

    House GOP Abandons Its Proposal

    Last-minute protests from conservatives in the House created a day of delay and confusion in Congress's efforts to avoid a U.S. debt default, as Republican leaders failed to craft a GOP budget proposal that could muster enough votes to pass. 33 min ago

    http://online.wsj.com/home-page

    Apparently the deal's a bust?

    If Boehner gets a deal done over the objection of Tea Party Republicans (with the support of Democrats), I suspect that will probably be the last nail in John Boehner's speakership.

    Thank God. With Boehner out of the way, maybe the Tea Party Republicans can show Obama and the Democrats what obstructionism is really like.

  • Pathogen||

    Shame for Boehner, he was really craving the taste of some Obama cock... Oh well, he can just stay home and suck the bottle instead.

  • Hyperion||

    Oh well, he can just stay home and suck the bottle instead.

    Maybe Reid will get the deal done yet, by promising him a lifetime supply of quick tan lotion.

  • Hyperion||

    Yep, the orange dude is toast.

    Real obstructionism, now we're talking. Imagine if we had a majority of libertarians in the house. NO, fuck you, cut spending! That would be like da shit.

  • TheZeitgeist||

    This is especially sweet because Clowncrats can only rejoice over...Barrycares? Sooner the wing-nuts cave sooner Barrycares takes center-stage. It's like a two-fer on the establishment fucks coming and going.

    If Rand has brains, he's hitting damage control for his Ted Cruz affiliations quick. Like a drunk morning after, he needs to take some real libertarian medicine to get over and 'clarify' his booze Cruz. I hope for him lesson learned.

  • Ken Shultz||

    Oh, and I haven't really heard many people talking about this, but if the investment community (of the world) loses some faith in American treasuries and interest rates go up? I'm not sure that's all/completely bad news.

    The world lending our government money on the cheap is kinda like when the world was lending American home-buyers money on the cheap, and it creates a bubble too. It's just not a bubble in home building--it's a bubble in government spending.

    It was really sad what happened to the economy when the housing bubble burst, but at least it made them stop building more houses. Can you imagine how much worse it would have been if that had just kept going on? It'll be really painful if interest rates rise because we miss some treasury payments, too, but if rising interest rates make it harder for the government to spend even more money, then at least it will discourage more spending...

    That's how it went with the Greek government and the Italian government. Interest rates rose, and they couldn't afford to service the interest on more spending anymore... It's really painful when you have to go through a liver transplant like that, but if our Cirrhosis is real bad, then the solution isn't to keep drinking scotch by the bottle. If the bartender cuts Obama and the Democrats off, maybe that won't be ALL bad.

  • Tulpa (LAOL-VA)||

    The problem with wanting to "starve the beast" is that we're locked in the cage with the beast as it gets hungrier and hungrier.

    If they can't sell T-bills to raise cash, those private sector 401k's look pretty juicy. CFPB has already laid the groundwork -- they are exploring ways to help Americans manage their retirements.

    When Wall St. and his union and "civil servant" cronies have fully looted the treasury, then will begin the calls for "shared sacrifice".

  • Ken Shultz||

    Letting us miss an interest payment isn't "starving the beast". "Starving the beast is slashing taxes to deprive the government of money to spend.

    "When Wall St. and his union and "civil servant" cronies have fully looted the treasury, then will begin the calls for "shared sacrifice".

    Yeah, we're gonna have to go through that when we cut spending--no matter what. There is no real cuts to spending without weathering all sorts of garbage from the unions, the Democrats, the Progressives, and the rest.

    But If we never cut spending becasue we're afraid of what they'll say, then we'll never cut spending.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    Oh, and I haven't really heard many people talking about this, but if the investment community (of the world) loses some faith in American treasuries and interest rates go up?

    Which will happen right after the skittle shitting unicorn shows up on the white house lawn.

  • Ken Shultz||

    Oh, if we miss a bond payment, and the chances of us missing another suddenly exceeds zero? The market will treat us differently than before.

  • ||

    It seems simple enough to me. The Rs could have offered Obama anything he wanted in return for removing all of the exemptions from Obamacare, screaming about who those exemptions were for (large corps, congress members, unions, and the pres himself ) and highlighting the plethora of individuals getting hammered by rate increases and having current plans cancelled.

    There is no way he could possibly do it, but it would shine a spotlight on the egregiousness of the law and obama's hypocrisy. It could be a deathblow to the progressives.

    Party of stupid.

  • Tman||

    The Rs could have offered Obama anything he wanted in return for removing all of the exemptions from Obamacare

    They pretty much did, but Dingy Harry didn't even consider it.

    This thing has to be killed with fire.

  • TheZeitgeist||

    I think a large portion of that credit goes to Ted Cruz - it doesn't matter the side, an elitist yet hapless Harvard asshole always fucks everything up anymore.

    And I have to admit, where was Rand Paul's political acumen on this? He should have got ahead of this, not behind it so-to-speak. Oops.

  • Tulpa (LAOL-VA)||

    where was Rand Paul's political acumen

    He only has political acumen when compared to his father.

    I really WANT him to succeed, but seriously, other than being in the right place at the right time in 2010 with the right message and the right last name, he doesn't have much going for him. If he were Rand Smith he'd still be asking people to press their face against the lenses and read line 7.

  • Francisco d Anconia||

    Tulpa...

    Fuck you.

  • TheZeitgeist||

    I really WANT him to succeed, but seriously, other than being in the right place at the right time in 2010 with the right message and the right last name, he doesn't have much going for him.

    He was right on the money with his own filibuster about a year ago regarding our droning police-state. It was politically brilliant, though Rand I think was just on ideological auto-pilot doing that - which is a good thing but Machiavelli has to intrude at some point if he actually seeks political power.

    Signing up with the Booze Cruz is going to give him a well-earned (sorry to say) political hangover. If I was his 'handler' I would have told him never to do such a thing, but now with damage done tell him to get back on track soon - and especially distance himself from the likes of Cruz.

    Rand Paul has popular appeal; the more he turns to chase the Iowa Republican caucus - against the Booze Cruz - is a recipe for his disaster. Paul's success is beyond the provincial, not dwelling within it.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    Bullshit.
    Hanging tough with Ted will make him popular with the republican base especially if he has the moxie to blame the back stabbing establishment for the Obamacare shitstorm that will hit next year.

    In a couple of months no one is going to remember the 'shutdown' or give a shit about it.

  • Mike M.||

    If he were Rand Smith he'd still be asking people to press their face against the lenses and read line 7.

    What's wrong with eye doctors? To me, one good eye doctor is worth more than about 600 of our congresscritters.

  • MJGreen||

    He established himself as a Serious Statesman who was trying to Make Washington Work. I think he played this situation exactly right.

    What exactly was he supposed to do, especially as a senator?

  • TheZeitgeist||

    What exactly was he supposed to do, especially as a senator?

    Call out Ted Cruz on his clowny Barrycares sojourn. Tell him - in no uncertain terms - this was about political realities of Barrycares being law.

    If anything, he should've gone the other way, make the President embrace his shitstorm by making him actually enforce his entire shitty law - including all the inconvenient shit Barry illegally punted, call him out constantly on that - then sit back and watch Clowncrats vacillate with their high priest trying to explain the real-time unfolding mess.

    And I was saying that a month ago. Rand fucked up.

  • MJGreen||

    I can only comprehend about 40% of that.

  • TheZeitgeist||

    I can only comprehend about 40% of that.

    Tell me 60% you don't and I will attempt to elucidate.

  • Redmanfms||

    It would help a lot if you posted in English not in some asinine Freeper-ese.

  • TheZeitgeist||

    It would help a lot if you posted in English not in some asinine Freeper-ese.

    To be pedantic, I can post etc. to contextual stuff.

    Have a problem? Grab my words and italicize them, point-by-point if you wish, then dump on me why I'm wrong; or even worse why I'm 'Freeper-ese.'

    Outside of some context or structure, this is just banal posting on a thread - which is easy on a thousand other websites. Reason is better than that among alleged like minds. Try!

  • Pathogen||

    Cruz is just fine doing what he's doing. He's a popcorn seed husk lodged painfully in their teeth. He's energized his demoralized base in a way not seen for a least a decade. He's so far managed to handle every accusation the MSM, like so many shit flinging chimps, have thrown at him. He's clearly exposed the fault line within the GOP, he's put the RINO's off balance, and in the unenviable position of having to support the train wreck of Obamacare, go on the record for it, and has highlighted their hypocrisy in their tacit acceptance of Barry's cronyist waivers. Obama's vindictiveness, and the RINOS betrayal will be a bitter pill in 2014, when the "shutdown shock" that the media has been blitzing 24/7 is a faded memory. Obamacare will be in full fuck-up/wallet draining mode, the RINOs ineffectualness in handling the alphabet soup scandals might very well cost them as well, and the dems will be hard pressed to get the free shit army off their fat asses and into the voting booths. Meanwhile, the tea-party revenge/primary machines will be well tuned and focused. I suspect the RINOs nuanced "go along get along" party is waning, and many a score will be settled in 2014, when all of their sins are laid bare.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    yep

  • Emmerson Biggins||

    Damn those teathuglicans. If theyd just go along with the crowd and keep voting for bigger government, we'd have gotten to see Boeners secret trick plan for making the government smaller. But they screwed it all up.

  • Fatty Bolger||

    Yep, Boehner had the plan all written out on the back of a napkin. And it would have worked, too, if it wasn't for those meddling tea partiers.

  • eyeroller||

    The thing is, the tea party Republicans actually do keep voting for more government.

    Then every once in a while they stage a Broadway show like this, where the primary goal is not to shrink government, but just to kick Democrats in the teeth.

  • Mike M.||

    The shutdown will be over, and the Republicans who pushed for it hardest will have gotten essentially nothing for it.

    Shorter Suderman: "Nyeah nyeah!"

  • Fatty Bolger||

    Pete's plan is much better:

    1. Do nothing
    2. ?
    3. Libertopia!

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