Scenes from Obamacare's Glitch-Filled Opening Day

Healthcare.govHealthcare.gov“We think we’re off to a good start,” is how Marilyn Tavenner, the chief administrator at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), characterized yesterday’s launch of Obamacare’s health insurance exchanges.

How good? Well, they won’t exactly say. A federal spokesperson said that individuals successfully applied for insurance in the exchange system run by the federal government, which is administering 36 of the exchanges—but refused to provide details about how many actually enrolled. 

A report in The New York Times offers this scene from a health center near Miami in Florida, one of the states where the federal government is administering the exchange:

All day, trained application counselors typed in “Florida,” or got as far as entering some applicants’ personal information, before the system crashed. Sometimes the crash came when it was time to answer a security question. Other times applicants put in their security question answers but could go no further.

Out of nearly 72 applicants who sat down with counselors by noon, none were able to access the marketplace. All of the applicants were given appointments to come back another week.

In other words, not a single person who showed up to get coverage managed to even create the account necessary to log into the system, much less actually shop for and enroll in coverage. It’s the same problem I had when I tried to browse the system yesterday, the same problem Reason’s J.D. Tuccille had when he tried to sign up, the same problem that numerous health reporters say they’ve had when they’ve tried to create accounts and log in.

Some of the functionality seems to be improving today. I finally managed to create an account around 12:30 p.m. this afternoon. But I still had trouble logging in afterwards. I wondered if perhaps it was an issue with credentials, but the password and username retrieval systems didn’t work either.

In Texas, some potential applicants didn’t even get to the point of trying to create a login, reports The Washington Post:

In South Texas, health-care providers reported an unusual problem with the federal marketplace: Many patients didn’t have e-mail addresses and therefore couldn’t sign up online.

The Brownsville Community Health Center had 50 people show up on Tuesday ready to sign up for health coverage — many even brought pay stubs and income documentation — but not a single one had an e-mail address.

“If you don’t include an e-mail address, they won’t let you through,” said Christela Gomez, the special-projects coordinator and lead certification application counselor at the center. “Quite a few didn’t even know what an e-mail address was,” she added.

Still, the most common problems seemed to be technical. The administration is pinning website glitches on unexpected traffic volume, and says it will upgrade capacity. 

The federally run exchanges aren’t the only ones having trouble.

The state-run exchange in New York displayed an error message throughout much of yesterday; officials there also blamed heavy web traffic, saying the site got 2 million visits during opening hours. Indeed, virtually all of the states had some sort of trouble yesterday: Reuters reports that its checks in 47 states through yesterday turned up “frequent error messages and traffic overload notices.”

The exchange in Minnesota had major problems throughout the day and could not confirm that they enrolled anyone at all. The exchange in Washington state was offline for six hours, and said the problem wasn’t too much traffic. Hawaii's exchange took applications, but had no plan details on offer. 

Some state exchanges did post enrollment figures. Connecticut processed 167 applications by the end of the workday. The District of Columbia exchange had 175 people start the process, although only four completed enrollment, according to the Post. The state-run exchange in Kentucky appears to have been the most successful at enrolling people throughout the day, with more than 1,000 applications completed. But reports indicate that it, too, experienced “substantial glitches” and login issues during the day.

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  • Killazontherun||

    I hope this turns out to be true (given the source); if so, the Democrats have really over played their hand to an unbelievable fascist extent to get this shitburger implemented:

    http://www.infowars.com/obamac.....-accounts/

    Obamacare Fines to be Seized From Bank Accounts?

    Man who attempted to sign up claims he was threatened with drivers license being revoked, federal tax lien on home.

    I actually made it through this morning at 8:00 A.M. I have a preexisting condition (Type 1 Diabetes) and my income base was 45K-55K annually I chose tier 2 “Silver Plan” and my monthly premiums came out to $597.00 with $13,988 yearly deductible!!! There is NO POSSIBLE way that I can afford this so I “opt-out” and chose to continue along with no insurance.

    I received an email tonight at 5:00 P.M. informing me that my fine would be $4,037 and could be attached to my yearly income tax return. Then you make it to the “REPERCUSSIONS PORTION” for “non-payment” of yearly fine. First, your drivers license will be suspended until paid, and if you go 24 consecutive months with “Non-Payment” and you happen to be a home owner, you will have a federal tax lien placed on your home.

  • waffles||

    That can't be real. Can it? That's full fascist FYTW pay through you nose shit. And a really good reason to avoid the exchange like the plague.

  • Killazontherun||

    One of our brave editors should try to recreate the same conditions this guy did, and see what happens.

  • Killazontherun||

    Cause I'm not going anywhere near that mo'fo'.

  • AlexInCT||

    Wise of you to avoid playing with radioactive waste...

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  • Auric Demonocles||

    I thought the penaltax was capped at something absurdly low (like $95) for the first year?

  • Killazontherun||

    If true, probably depends upon which page the assessor is reading the law from what the penalty tax turns out to be.

  • John||

    Oh, so they can't even figure the fine properly. That is encouraging. We all know getting the IRS to admit they are charging you too much is just so easy.

    So many people are going to get fucked by this thing.

  • Gray Ghost||

    We all know getting the IRS to admit they are charging you too much is just so easy.

    So many people are going to get fucked by this thing.

    Quoted for truth. A former job I had involved dealing extensively with the IRS. Nice people, at least the examiners my audit team dealt with were, but dear Lord, could they lose shit and never admit error. Never send them originals of anything, is my advice.

  • John||

    That is true of most regulators. Back when I was doing environmental law, the EPA was always very easy to deal with, provided they liked your client and you never really challenged them on anything.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    This year I have sent them proof of my student loan interest payments from a couple of years ago (when I was eligible for it) 3 separate times. Both of the first two involved their response to me sending in Form XYZ saying that unless I turned in Form XYZ, I would be charged the tax to make up for the deduction. I have yet to hear back from them this third time.

  • Hyperion||

    It's that or a percentage or your income, which I can't remember the percentage, but over a certain income level, the $95 rule flies out the window and it will be more.

    I don't believe this story because of the source. I'm not saying it's not believable, because it is knowing our federal government, but I need confirmation outside of that site.

  • Killazontherun||

    The detail that makes me skeptical is the suspension of drivers license, a state issuance, not a federal.

  • Hyperion||

    Infowars is way out there. No one should believe this until confirmed by other sources.

  • Killazontherun||

    Read the full report. I quoted the shock factor. They express skepticism there about the truthfulness of the claim, and quote the IRS as well.

  • tarran||

    Well, the screenshot makes me think that a facebook user did write those words. I don't know if he's telling the truth or not. IT does, however, sound quite plausible... It would take years to litigate over the liens etc, and by the time the injunctions came down, the IRS would have forced thousands of people to sign up so the program would be a 'success'.

  • JWatts||

    I thought the penaltax was capped at something absurdly low (like $95) for the first year?

    Nope, that's a common misconception. It's 1% of your gross income with a $95 minimum. So it's lower bound is $95

  • John||

    So the fine goes up based on income? Four thousand dollars is a pretty stiff fine for about anyone, and it is huge for someone making 55K a year.

    If that story is true and typical, people are going to revolt. And just think, this guy has a pre-existing condition. He is supposed to be one of the few everyone things will benefit from and like obamacare.

  • #||

    I dont think this is true unless the system fucked up, which is possible.

    That high of a deducatable is not allowed, and the fine I believe is capped at 1% of income or so to start.

    So either this is a fake, or its the autmoated system doesn't work.

  • #||

    Also, how can the Feds suspend your state issued drivers licence?

  • kinnath||

    How can the Feds set the legal drinking age?

  • #||

    Thats only by coersing the states into being the ones who enforce it y threatening to take away highway money.

    But it's not actualy the Fed's enforcing it.

  • John||

    It may be an outright lie. But if it is true, I am not sure if the system screwing up is any better than it being legit. How the hell do you fix this if the IRS charges you too much?

  • AlexInCT||

    "I dont think this is true unless the system fucked up, which is possible."

    My bet is that the system is fubar, but that's just as bad anyway. On the other hand, I would not be surprised that this affordable healthcare is anything but affordable, and actually a punitive monster that will destroy lives.

    Remember, Obamacare's main purpose is to destroy the existing system and leave things so discombobulated that nobody can fight them when they decide the only option left is a single payer system.

  • Hyperion||

    I don't believe it, but I will say this much.

    Over at HuffPo yesterday, some posters were saying that they went to the exchanges and the the rates they found were shockingly high. As soon as they posted that, there would be flurry of responses saying thinks like; 'Lying teabagger!, that's not true! The Koch bros. paid you to post here!'.

    Seriously, I don't think they were making the stuff up about the rates being high. No one said anything about draconian threats, but come on, we all know that this law will eventually be that Draconian and worse, but I doubt they let it start out that way, because obviously there would be a huge revolt. And I don't believe anything I read at infowars, as matter of fact, I don't read anything there.

  • tarran||

    During my days when I was forced onto the RomneyCare exchanges, I had a similar sticker shock. People don't know how much of what an employer is spending on employing them is diverted from their pocket and going to pay the employer share of health insurance.

  • kinnath||

    8k per person per year (that's what they just told us)

  • #||

    What who told who?

  • kinnath||

    my employer is spending 8k to 9k per employee per year to provide insurance to employees (and families)

  • AlexInCT||

    Your employer is getting off cheap. My company sppends upwards of 13K per employee, but then again, that's in the People's Republic of Connecticut.

  • #||

    This is the counter i give to lefties who like to say that its all right wing ignoramouses who don't understand the law and once they see it they will like it more.

    True, I expect some people to stop disliking it when they see it. But it works the other way too. How many of the suporters of the bill think they are getting free or really cheap health insurance? And what will they think once they realize that really most of them are being forced to buy overly expensive coverage?

  • Killazontherun||

    Nephew yesterday overheard two people talking about how they plan to sign up for the free shit. They weren't being ironic, they really are expecting free shit.

  • Gray Ghost||

    And their vote counts just as much as yours. More so, in fact, given there's two of them.

    They haven't run out of other people's money yet.

  • Killazontherun||

    When they smack up against the penaltax, and realize this is not like the EBT, running wild in the candy store, they are not going to be very happy campers at all.

  • The Original Jason||

    If it costs votes, it'll get changed...

  • Hyperion||

    How many of the suporters of the bill think they are getting free or really cheap health insurance?

    I think that all of the supporters likely fall into one of the following categories:

    They think they are going to get free or really cheap and great health care coverage.

    They are going to get free health coverage because they have no income, except for welfare, which of course, they were already getting through Medicaid.

    They work for the exchanges or the federal government.

    They work for congress and are getting a 70% subsidy.

    They are just radical proglodytes who want anything that makes the government bigger and more powerful, because they somehow think that is going to benefit them over others.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    Roberts' "not a penalty" logic hung on it not being high enough to deter people, so I'm fairly certain it was supposed to be really really low at first.

  • Brett L||

    Yeah, here: $95 or 1% of income in 2014 rising to $695 or 2.5% in 2016, whichever is higher.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    Thanks. So for this guy the max would be about $500.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    I mean, assuming it wasn't all made up.

  • Gray Ghost||

    Aren't DL's a critter of state law, not federal? Why would his DL be suspended, absent a law like the one they used to throw child-support scofflaws into debtors' prison? Not believing it until someone besides Alex Jones takes up the story.

    The tax lien, OTOH, I fully buy. I haven't look at the legislation or Treas. Regs, and I think that the IRS is for now only allowed to take an Obamacare penalty from your tax refund (if any), not to treat the penalty like they do every other tax deficiency. But if the penalty treatment is a function of the Regs, not the law, can't the IRS change their mind about that at any time? I totally expect the Service, FWIW, to eventually treat the penalty like a regular tax deficiency.

  • Rasilio||

    " I think that the IRS is for now only allowed to take an Obamacare penalty from your tax refund (if any), not to treat the penalty like they do every other tax deficiency"

    Even if this is the case it would be largely irrelevant as the law does not define which part of the tax code is satisfied in which order meaning they can define tax revenues as being applied to the penaltax first and the rest of the tax code second meaning the only way that you could have an unpaid penaltax would be to pay no taxes at all and unpaid penaltaxes would be magically transformed into unpaid general tax liabilities

  • Brett L||

    Infowars. Completely non-credible.

  • Killazontherun||

    They often push an agenda, they often get things wrong, but they have also been out front on stories that the MSM too often ignores, most notably Benghazi. They deserve the same amount of skepticism as the Paper of Record, The NYT on the basic reporting end. Still, Jones is more credible than Krugman whom I've read two stories this morning on his outright fabrications.

  • ||

    Yeah, I bet the infowars crew has been tailoring this story for months.

    If this is actually proven to be true, I'd say "I'm not surprised" but its probably not.

  • SIV||

    The thing with infowars is consider their sources.Most well-sourced stories there are as accurate as any other journalism outlet. This one is from a facebook comment.

  • Cytotoxic||

    Media types are saying that the OC Exchanges are going down due to 'overwhelming demand'. I get the distinct impression they are full of shit.

  • Sevo||

    The Chron was pitching the same excuse for CA, state-wide.
    How they 'know' this isn't obvious.

  • Killazontherun||

    That was the pitch here in Greensboro rag, too.

  • Pro Libertate||

    No, no, there is overwhelming demand. That they shut this crap down.

  • Swiss Servator, Kneel to Zug!||

    +1 airing of grievances

  • lap83||

    I like how that is supposed to be a point in it's favor, even though the same thing happening anywhere in the free market..like, say, twitter..would be market failure.

  • ||

    Oh there's overwhelming demand...on their servers. I bet more than a few people have gone just to check it out and see what their rates would be. To a normal person that doesn't mean every single one of those people want the damn exchanges, but in the administration's eyes it does.

  • Paul.||

    Out of nearly 72 applicants who sat down with counselors by noon, none were able to access the marketplace. All of the applicants were given appointments to come back another week.

    Bill Maher nailed it. The problem is we punish failure in this country. Not everything "bears fruition" right away.

  • Brandon||

    Uh, what?

  • Brett L||

    Um. When did we start punishing failure? How can I get on the punisher list?

  • Bardas Phocas||

    I'm feeling the excitement.
    Four the first day? Really? Folks better start saving to pay the penaltax - you're not going to be able to plea "the website is broken."

  • Hyperion||

  • Paul.||

    Parks police did not prevent the first group from entering, nor did they interfere with Wednesday's group.

    These were the guys who stormed beaches in Normandy, fought in the jungles of Iwo Jima, and dodged Nazi flak over Münster and Bremen.

    You think a pimply-faced Park Police is gonna step to these guys?

  • Gray Ghost||

    They did roll over for TSA's bullshit since 9/11 a lot easier than I thought they would. All of my grandparents, including the one who got to look at kamikazes, died before the rapey-scanners though. I think he'd have slugged the first polyester-clad, fake-nail tapping, piece of shit who tried to grope my grandmother. Thankfully, I never got to find out.

  • SugarFree||

    "I needs to check ya asshole."

  • Swiss Servator, Kneel to Zug!||

    Sounds like a piece of TSA fanfic...

  • SugarFree||

  • ||

    I loved that episode.

  • Hyperion||

    I believe that the jug eared clown in chief or any of a number of bureaucrats in DC would order them to do so. Whether they have the courage to do so, is a different story.

  • Bardas Phocas||

    Two funny comments I've seen:
    "Barry-cades"
    "More guards at the WWII memorial than at Bengazi"

  • Paul.||

    #2 ftw.

  • Hyperion||

    Well, I mean, those were only the fake terrorists over in Benghazi that are meant to distract us. These are the real terrorists, aka - Murikans who don't reliably vote Democrat.

  • PapayaSF||

    Yes, #2 FTW.

  • Paul.||

    Ok, someone help a brother out here. The Federal Government has complained bitterly that no one, NO ONE in this country is adequately insured and that we suffer a crisis in this dear, dear land of ours due to a lack of basic healthcare-- which is a right.

    So, say what you will about the truthiness of that, let's accept is as fact. If you really believed that, are you really surprised that you had a couple of million people trying to sign up on opening day?

    If I go around claiming that NO ONE HAS ACCESS TO IPHONES!!11!! And then create a plan where everyone in America can get a free iPhone, am I really going to be surprised at the fact that I ran out of free iPhones in the first ten minutes?

  • Sevo||

    I'm pretty sure there were a lot of folks hoping for free shit, but I'm also pretty sure that the IT requirements were difficult enough that even moderate demand was gonna crash a lot of the sites.

  • #||

    Also, this is what people forget. The bulk of the people who will be using these are not the currently uninsured. Most of the users will be people who currently buy individual insurance or get it through their small business employer.

    And about half of the newly insured peopel total is a function of expanding medicaid. So most of the demand will not be from the currently unisured.

  • Hyperion||

    But still, don't kid yourself, you know there were plenty of folks logging on to see when they get their free pony.

  • #||

    Well true. I'm just saying that in the end this isn't only about the currently unisured.

  • Bardas Phocas||

    That's why I tried. The Maryland one locked up at the security questions - so I just kept writing in "PONY" until it crashed and gave some error message about being unavailable.

  • Paul.||

    "PONY" until it crashed and gave some error message about being unavailable.

    The Pony or the site?

  • Hyperion||

    I just kept writing in "PONY"

    That's where you fucked it up. You have to type 'FREE PONY'. That's the secret Obama pass word, that indeed, gets you free healthcare and a pony.

  • JWatts||

    Pro-tip. Don't take the "free" pony.

  • Sudden||

    The new 40 acres and a mule

  • DarrenM||

    Not to mention free Pony Shit.

  • Paul.||

    Cool. So then it should have been expected that the demand would have been enormous.

  • Killazontherun||

    I linked to an article yesterday about Twitter modernizing their underlying server software after it couldn't handle a spike in activity in 2010. They were using Ruby on Rails, switched to the JVM as their base and programmed in Scala and Clojure. The coming World Cup will be a piece of cake for them, Obamacare would be childs play in comparison. It's not like the Feds don't have some expertise in this, consider the resources they are spending to develop a new NSA farm and what they are already capable of doing in capturing all of our traffic.

  • Paul.||

    It's not like the Feds don't have some expertise in this, consider the resources they are spending to develop a new NSA farm and what they are already capable of doing in capturing all of our traffic.

    That's a really good point. Which leaves me with a ponderance?

    Could it be that the NSA isn't as good as we theorize it is, that it can't snarf up all the traffic that Reason and other sites have speculated it does? That the NSA wants us to believe it can to keep terrorists on their toes?

  • Killazontherun||

    The NSA recruits from very capable people in the industry. What the NSA is asking of them is interesting and intellectually stimulating to that kind of person, running Obamacare would bore the shit out of them.

  • Killazontherun||

    Also, more proof of their technical capability --

    FBI Says Silk Road Operator Made 'Simple Mistake' That Lead to His Identification

    http://goo.gl/LRu8aK

    On Wednesday, the FBI announced that they arrested Ross William Ulbricht, the Silk Road’s alleged administrator, in the Glen Park branch of the San Francisco Public Library at 3:15 Pacific time on Tuesday. Ulbricht has been charged with engaging in a money laundering and narcotics trafficking conspiracy as well as computer computer hacking. The Department of Justice has seized the websites of the Silk Road’s websites as well as somewhere between $3.5 to 4 million in bitcoins, the cryptographic currency used to buy drugs on the Silk Road

  • Brett L||

    That's what they want you to believe.

  • Paul.||

    Never underestimate the government's ability to ban or regulate something through sheer force of will.

  • PapayaSF||

    Wow, he was just a few miles from where I live.

  • Sevo||

    If you live in SF, most any place in SF is sorta like that.

  • PapayaSF||

    OK, smart guy, I checked and it's exactly a mile, and most of SF is not within a mile of me.

  • pmains||

    Out of nearly 72 applicants who sat down with counselors by noon, none were able to access the marketplace. All of the applicants were given appointments to come back another week.

    Because people working minimum wage jobs have a lot of spare time to take off work and play games with the nincompoops at the DMV Ministry of Health and Wellness.

  • Pro Libertate||

    Actually, you're wrong. Once these people are shoved into part-time jobs, thanks to this same law, they will have the time.

    Obama wins again!

  • Brett L||

    They were there until noon on a tuesday.

  • Swiss Servator, Kneel to Zug!||

    I told them they should have pre-filled out their twenty-seven B stroke six.

  • Doctor Whom||

    “If you don’t include an e-mail address, they won’t let you through,” said Christela Gomez, the special-projects coordinator and lead certification application counselor at the center. “Quite a few didn’t even know what an e-mail address was,” she added.

    But it's libertarians who are out of touch with the common people.

  • The Rt. Hon. Serious Man, Visc||

    “Quite a few didn’t even know what an e-mail address was,” she added.

    DISPARATE IMPACT! This law is RAAACCIISSSSSSSSTTTT!

  • General Butt Naked||

    It's funny that they expect people to have a computer, internet access, an email account, and all the proper documentation to get on these exchanges, but not a free, takes 10 minutes to get one state ID to vote.

  • Aresen||

    Better alt-text:

    "Your estimated wait time is:

    TWELVE YEARS.

    Please continue to hold.

  • The DerpRider||

    Holy crap.

    Annual premium: $8,881

    Your out-of-pocket maximum for a Silver plan (not including the premium) can be no more than $12,700. Whether you reach this maximum level will depend on the amount of health care services you use. Currently, about one in four people use no health care services in any given year.

    You are guaranteed access to a Silver plan with an actuarial value of 70%. This means that for all enrollees in a typical population, the plan will pay for 70% of expenses in total for covered benefits, with enrollees responsible for the rest.

    Only 70% covered after that premium?!? And the out of pocket is over 2x the current limit.

  • Pro Libertate||

    Could we just quietly move most doctors and hospitals to a totally unregulated black market? I'll pay cash.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    Bring back Groovious!

  • Hyperion||

    Sorta. It's called a concierge system. For about 1500-2500 a year membership, you can see your doctor of choice when you want and not put up with Obamacrap care.

    So go ahead, you one percenter who hates wiminz and childinz and wants them to have no healthcare, get your fancy one percenter care. Until the feds shut them down, and they will, cause they are worse than that Silk Road thing was.

  • Gray Ghost||

    For about 1500-2500 a year membership, you can see your doctor of choice when you want and not put up with Obamacrap care.

    For now. I agree with you on, if O'Care is cratering heavily due to doctors opting out, the Feds will put pressure on the states to make taking O'Care patients a condition of the license to practice medicine. The truly rich can always fly to wherever for their care.

    I kick myself for not going to med school 20 years ago, picking up F.A.C.S. certification along with a plastic surgery residency, and setting up a plastic surgery/aesthetician/gerontology practice in the Caribbean. I didn't go to med school in large part because every doctor I talked to at the time said not to go into the profession. Most of them were scared shitless about what they thought Hillary-Care was going to do, with a lot of, "Do you really want to spend all of this time, money, and hard work, just to work for the post office?" Never thought about setting up a foreign practice.

    Hope Groovus is doing well.

  • Hyperion||

    I find this interesting, because in Brazil, they have had nationalized healthcare for, I am not really sure how long, but a long while.

    Anyway, a private system managed to spring up right alongside it, and they don't try to do anything about it. So, if you have money, you are still paying for the public system, it's like a tax, you just don't use it cause it's crappy, you pay to go to the private care providers.

    So, if they are trying to kill private medicine in this country and make everyone go through the public system, then there could be some huge medical tourism opportunities for countries that still have an operating private system, where you don't have long waits or limited resources.

    I can also see a lot of American doctors leaving to practice in those countries.

    We are truly going to turn the USA into a 3rd world shithole if we don't get these progressives the hell out of power, soon.

  • wheelock||

    This is exactly what will happen. Now is probably a good time to start looking into the medical tourism industry. Hello Dr Nick!

  • Hyperion||

    LYING TEABAGGER! KOCH BROS PAID YOU TO POST THAT! EVERYONE SAVES 50-60% WITHOUT A SUBSIDY, 90% IF YOU QUALIFY FOR A SUBSIDY!

    THIS IS THE GREATEST LAW EVER, EVER, FOR ALL AMERICANS!!!

    DON'T LISTEN TO THIS LYING BAGGER!

    OBAMA WINS AGAIN! TEABAGGERS LOSE!

  • Pro Libertate||

    What's odd is that it appears to be indisputable that most Americans will be paying a lot more for insurance coverage. And, from what I've heard so far, for less coverage.

    The whole stated problem was about the supposedly uninsured, even though we have universal emergency room coverage, Medicare, Medicaid, VA, etc. And, of course, the whole "30 million uninsured!" argument discounted the young people who didn't have coverage for a short time because they figured it was a reasonable risk to avoid the premiums (which are high in the first place thanks to government meddling). I was one of those people for several years in my 20s.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    Less coverage? Did you forget the maternity care that I'm now guaranteed to get? How is adding that getting "less" coverage?

    /s

    Every summer in college I went without insurance, and only had it during the school year because the school required it, so I purchased this cheap 9 month plan they offered.

  • Pro Libertate||

    I'd love to travel to an alternative universe where the U.S. has a free market in health insurance and medical services. Just to see what everything costs.

    After I visit Disney Luna and fly around in a flying car.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    Pro: Hurry up! I wanna get to the moon!

    Libertate: Relax. It's open 'til nine.

  • Hyperion||

    Less coverage? Did you forget the maternity care that I'm now guaranteed to get? How is adding that getting "less" coverage?

    It's only fair that you pay that and not benefit from it, cause being a guy, you could get a woman pregnant. And you would be solely responsible for that. The woman is always just an innocent victim in these situations.

    Do we need to send you to the camps to learn this?

  • Hyperion||

    What's odd is that it appears to be indisputable that most Americans will be paying a lot more for insurance coverage. And, from what I've heard so far, for less coverage.

    Go over to HuffPo and post that, ProL, and then experience something that looks awfully familiar to what I just posted above. It's almost like it's a few posters spending all of their time posting the same thing, over and over again. Employees of the new office of propaganda? Makes you wonder.

  • Pro Libertate||

    They can say whatever they want. It's clear that costs are going up for just about everyone with coverage, and the services covered are going down.

    Couple that with the marked decrease already happening in full-time employment, and this law begins to resemble using a shotgun to deliver pills to a patient.

  • Hyperion||

    They can say whatever they want. It's clear that costs are going up for just about everyone with coverage

    But the good news is!, .... wait... what was the good news?

  • Pro Libertate||

    There is no good news.

  • Rasilio||

    Wait a minute...

    " Currently, about one in four people use no health care services in any given year."

    But only 16% of Americans were without Insurance before Obamacare. I'm not seeing where this was a problem that needed solving.

  • Hyperion||

    I'm not seeing where this was a problem that needed solving

    Of course not, that's why you are not one of our elitist betters, who without, you would be walking in muddy dirt streets and drinking filthy waste fouled water. So be sure to thank your betters today, who without, you would have nothing.

  • JWatts||

    If you've got a business—you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.

  • Adam330||

    They've designed just about the worst health care plan imaginable.
    - Covers routine stuff on a first dollar basis either with no or very low co-pay.
    - Covers lots of stuff that most people don't want or even consider to be healthcare (maternity, birth control, acupuncture, etc,)
    - has extremely high deductible for the actual catastrophic stuff unless you pick a really expensive gold or platinum plan.
    - has very high premiums to make up for covering all the crap people don't want and routine services.

  • Hollywood||

    So they are saying our dear congressional leaders have been summoned to the white house to negotiate. Now if Boehner had any balls at all, he should tell the president, "the price for GOP support has just increased significantly. The price for our support before the shutdown was defunding obummercare. You think you can get our support by now agreeing to delay it a year? Right as it is failing before everyone's eyes? Psssht. That's a good one. Oh and you want to talk about raising the debt ceiling too? That's gonna cost ya. I don't think you're prepared to know how much. I'll let you think about it. Goodbye."

    But he doesn't, so he'll likely capitulate as soon as possible.

  • Hyperion||

    Now if Boehner had any balls at all

    He does, but they are very tiny, and orange. And Obama has them in his pocket. Because Boehner likes it that way.

    If you want a real man to deal with this, better send Paul or Cruz.

  • Hollywood||

    All I'm saying is that speaker orange glow better not agree to a year delay now. But I know he's just squirming to make a deal. He doesn't like disappointing daddy O.

  • #||

    "Connecticut processed 167 applications by the end of the workday. The District of Columbia exchange had 175 people start the process,"

    Yeah, the site crashed because of overwhelming demand. Traffic of about 170 over a day is just huge. Peoples' personal blogas about their cat often get more traffic than that.

  • Swiss Servator, Kneel to Zug!||

    The H&R squirrels can chew through number that in 2 seconds.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    Well, it depends on how many ampersands those visitors have.

  • Swiss Servator, Kneel to Zug!||

    True, they could chip a tooth on those.

    &&&&&&&

  • Auric Demonocles||

    If those numbers are right and about average, we're talking on the order of 10k people nationally who signed up. Even if we assume that will be the average rate, and not a first day spike that will drop off, you're talking about maybe a million people by the end of the year. Sure is good to fuck over 300 million for 1 million.

  • Hyperion||

    Sure is good to fuck over 300 million for 1 million

    But if it only saves one childin, aren't we obligated to do it?

  • Hillary's Clitdong||

    167 applications for a web-based business. Jesus Fucking Christ. In the private sector, that level of demand wouldn't overwhelm Brunhilda's House of Golda Meir Porn.

  • The Rt. Hon. Serious Man, Visc||

    In the private sector, that level of demand wouldn't overwhelm Brunhilda's House of Golda Meir Porn.

    I'm interested and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    I have been very skeptical this entire time that any of the issues are due to overwhelmed servers, rather than built in crappy implementation.

  • Hillary's Clitdong||

    I wouldn't be surprised if the contracts were handed off to the least-competent yet highest-bidders, who just happened to be the nephews of congresscritters.

  • Brett L||

    In fairness to the coders, they prinicipals apparently spent until the end of April deciding about fonts and color schemes. Which is what happens on every project without a strong PM. They have a weekly principal's meeting and keep recycling the same discussion points over look/feel. Then if they beat that to death, they start discussing text on the login screen. Meanwhile the coders are trying to get permission to do something -- anything -- that gets them closer to a working system.

  • General Butt Naked||

    Fuck, I've cooked for more people in a night at a restaurant.

  • Spoonman.||

    Water in nose, asshole.

  • Michael||

    I think I figured out what's going on here. Julia, the Obama administration's avatar of struggling women everywhere, is an actual living person. If you recall, she studied Web design, and it wouldn't surprise me that she went straight from college to coding the exchange sites via some special job program built just for her. The only problem is that she royally sucks at what she does.

  • SugarFree||

  • Pro Libertate||

    So much absurdity.

  • RBS||

    Most notably, we find the greatest degree of group divergence from 2008 to 2010. Strong Democratic identifiers, for instance, moved toward slightly higher levels of support for government responsibility, and strong Republican identifiers moved much faster in the opposite direction.

    In other news, water is wet.

  • Hollywood||

    The public is the president's pallbearer.

  • Killazontherun||

    The Cleveland Browns is us.

  • RBS||

    I AM A CLEVELAND BROWN

  • Hollywood||

    How did it come to this? Truly these are the end times.

  • Swiss Servator, Kneel to Zug!||

    I am let down....one more time.

  • Hyperion||

    We just aren't ready for such a great one, yet.

  • Aresen||

    We could follow the Stalin model and have the Government dissolve the people and elect a new Soviet Obama Man.

  • PapayaSF||

    That's what amnesty is for.

  • Paul.||

    Is that statue of dejected people waiting in a cue supposed to represent Obama's legacy with Obamacare?

  • Auric Demonocles||

    OT: You guys get the email about this new Reason newsletter? On the one hand, I do like that they acknowledged that I am registered user (and don't you forget it!), on the other hand I don't need more emails coming in, and on the gripping hand I doubt that "the most interesting news, analysis, commentary, and reviews from Reason magazine, Hit & Run, Reason TV, and Reason 24/7" they will be delivering to my mailbox includes the most interesting comments.

  • The DerpRider||

    I'd be happy with a best of comments digest each day. Hard to keep up on the refreshing.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    I don't know. I already know what comments I posted each day.

  • Hyperion||

    How do we know what the best comments are, when we can't like and friend each other, and get gold stars and badges, and stuff.

  • lap83||

    and invite each other to play libertarian themed games involving candy and farm animals.

  • PapayaSF||

    I would like to see a Disqus-style system of comment voting, so I could look at a long thread I missed and just read the good ones.

    And so that I could vote down Tony and Mr. Buttplug and the spammers.

    And so that I gather upvotes for my brilliant and funny comments.

  • Redmanfms||

    Yeah I got it.

    includes the most interesting comments.

    Honestly, the commentariat is the only reason I hit Reason.

    I learn more and get vastly more in-depth information from youse gais than I do the contributors. On top of the funny.


    OT:

    Have the resident trolls been a-trollin' today? They didn't make an appearance yesterday.

  • SugarFree||

    Tony shit in his hand and smeared it on a thread. And shrike was lying as hard as he could in the ML.

  • Hyperion||

    Tony was here. He wrote stupid stuff. New day, same as the old day.

  • ||

    I've been dealing with Obamacare implications for a few years now.

    My mixture of daily medications to control my asthma are above the FDA approved level of fluticosone propionate (SP?) so my insurance hasn't been allowed to cover both medications since the law was passed.

    The funny thing is, I was put on this regimen by a pulmonologist who receives more federal funding for asthma research than any other doctor or researcher. The FDA knows better though.

    I only use one of the medications now, not both because my monthly out of pocket for the other one would be $60 to $70 bucks. Admittedly, its still manageable with just the one medication, but I am definitely using my rescue inhaler much more often.

  • SugarFree||

    You on Advair?

  • ||

    Yup. I was on Flovent as well (which is already in Advair, along with another medication I can't remember). He wanted my Flovent dosage higher than is available in Advair though.

    I haven't checked the out of pocket price for Flovent since late 2010, I'd imagine its come down.

  • SugarFree||

    Are you in the disc or the inhaler? I switched and found the inhaler to work much, much better--especially with a spacer.

  • ||

    I didn't even know it came in inhaler form. I've always been on the disc.

  • SugarFree||

    Inhaler means much less of it getting in your mouth. It's still a dust, but much finer ground. You might check it out.

  • Gray Ghost||

    How about other online pharmacies? True, the meds may be made in, e.g., Greece, but good reviews should help sort the fleas from the dog.

  • Brett L||

    Currently, the FL version of Healthcare.gov just gives me this please wait for the login screen.

  • Hyperion||

    Please stay on this page... that doesn't work or lead to anywhere else... right, good plan... I think I'll just take the day off and stare at this screen all day...

  • BuSab Agent||

    Well it works at the DMV right?

  • Brett L||

    Yeah, it eventually gives you a "System is Down" message. This is not the behavior of an overloaded system.

  • Beautiful Bean Footage||

    +1 disorder, disorder, disoooooorrrrdeerrrr...

  • NoVAHockey||

    I think half the people logging on were either journalists or health policy types just toe check it out.

    i was at a conference on quality measures. everyone is insured. 8 of the 10 people at my table tried to log on just to see if it worked.

  • shipley130||

    If a person doesn't know what an e-mail address is, in this era of technology, how are they supposed to understand what they are supposed to get in return for their premiums? What are the odds that people enrolled in Obamacare are in for some serious fraud perpetrated on their behalf?

  • plusafdotcom||

    You mean something like "I just took delivery of my new BMW thanks to the money I make online AND the job provides Free Obamacare!! Sign here..."

    ?

    Spot on...

  • shipley130||

    So, what is going to happen when people go get really expensive healthcare, thinking they cannot go bankrupt because all of the O'Liars on television are telling them they won't go bankrupt if the have Obamacare? Who is Obama going to blame? Blame the doctors, republican campaign donors, or Bush? There are going to be some angry Obots.

  • PapayaSF||

    Silly goose, there will always be Republicans to blame.

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  • plusafdotcom||

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  • ||

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  • loellaviles||

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  • plusafdotcom||

  • wooffjordy||

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  • plusafdotcom||

  • plusafdotcom||

    These government "experts" are technological MORONS. If you're smart, you DON'T "size the system" for a huge number of First-Day enrollees! Or you RENT extra start-up capacity, morons!

    OR you tell the folks who can't log in to "pick a number from one to ten, WAIT THAT MANY DAYS, then try logging in again. It's NOT a "sale" where getting in the door first is any benefit!"

    Morons.

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