Democrats Want to Use Government Shutdown For Leverage on Debt Ceiling

open for business if not for youucumari/foter.comSenate Democrats apparently consider a prolonged partial government shutdown an advantage in the upcoming debate over the debate ceiling. The Hill reports:

Previously, Democrats were resistant to such an idea. That was at least in part because President Obama is refusing to negotiate on the debt limit. But a Democratic senator told The Hill this week that is no longer a concern, saying the White House can effectively deal with the GOP’s tactics. 

Democrats are eager to deal with the debt limit now, when polls show most of the public blames Republicans for the shutdown. They contend it would be difficult for the GOP to make additional demands linked to the debt limit while they’re embroiled in a crisis over a six-weekend spending stopgap.   

On the second day of the partial government shutdown, Republicans are already working to put themselves on the record in favor of reopening vital government services, like the national parks and the National Institutes of Health. Nick Gillespie noted earlier today the national parks and landmarks cost the feds at least $2.75 billion a year. With the government spending about twice as much as it collects in revenue, fiscally-minded lawmakers should be focusing on how to cut costs, and spending. The closure of the national parks is largely for show, appearing to be an attempt by the executive branch to exaggerate the effects of the partial shutdown, a tactic known as Washington Monument Syndrome. The National Park Service, for example, sent law enforcement agents to close a park in Virginia it didn’t fund but that was located on federal land. The managing director of Claude Moore Colonial Farm pointed out it costs the NPS more to police their park in an effort to keep it closed than it does to keep the park open, which costs the feds nothing.

And just how much, or how little, is the partial government shutdown saving the federal government. A week ago, before the government shutdown, Treasury Secretary Jack Lew warned the US would run out of money to spend on October 17th. Despite no end in sight for the partial government shutdown, Lew again warned Congress the debt limit would be reached October 17th. Democrats’ willingness to continue the shutdown until the debt limit is hits suggests that limit’s not going to be hit much later even if the government is partially shut down throughout that period.

As with the sequester, the government shutdown illustrates that government officials are more interested in fear mongering over an inability to spend to their heart’s desire rather than budgeting within their means like the rest of us.

If neither the shutdown nor the looming debt limit can be leveraged to rein in federal spending, then the idea that Washington is supposed to budget itself becomes a complete fiction. Why budget or set debt ceilings if you can just spend without abandon anyway?

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  • WTF||

    Senate Democrats apparently consider a prolonged partial government shutdown an advantage in the upcoming debate over the debate ceiling.

    Well, there is a debate going on, but I don't think that's what you meant.

  • VG Zaytsev||

    Harry Reid:

    "Why would we want to pass emergency legislation to help kids with cancer?"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0lFyFJeZSY

    Extremist Harry Reid cares more about keeping government shut down than helping kids with cancer.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    They're all idiots. Two hours after the government reopens for business, no voter is going to apply a single thought to the shutdown at all.

  • Paul.||

    Do you have any idea how long it's going to take to pull up the barricades around America?

  • gaijin||

    At least twice as long as it took them be put up...no doubt requiring overtime pay.

  • Banjos||

    This is so not true, I have had many progs online tell me that is definitely going to be the end for Republicans ESPECIALLY the baggers.

    I long for a year from now when this will be long forgotten and Obamacare will still be fucking people in the ass.

  • Swiss Servator, Kneel to Zug!||

    "Why budget or set debt ceilings if you can just spend without abandon anyway?"

    RIGHT ON! FOR GREAT SOCIAL JUSTICE! AND FAIRNESS!! AND THE CHILDREN!!!

  • Scruffy Nerfherder||

    Krugabe approves

  • G-dub||

    Wait, doesn't "without abandon" mean responsibly?

  • Tman||

    because President Obama is refusing to negotiate on the debt limit.

    There hasn't been enough noise made about what a lying shitweasel he is for doing a complete 180 on his stance on raising the debt ceiling.

    The fucker voted against raising it and then used his vote to make a big stand against Bush and Congress for "failing to lead" yadda yadda yadday.

    Now he has the complete opposite opinion.

    Normally when people lie this blatantly they are ignored but in this case it's impossible.

  • Sevo||

    "Now he has the complete opposite opinion."

    But, don't you understand?! BUSH made him do it! It's BUUUUUUSH!
    (runs screaming down the hall)

  • Winston||

    It's not inconsistent. He's president now and Congress doing his bidding is leading.

  • G-dub||

    What's incredible to me is how the left is now claiming the deficit is no big deal and it's been steadily declining for the last 50 years when just a few years ago they were lambasting Bush for running up the deficit with his war spending. Which is it going to be, guys?

  • Len Bias||

    Obama supporters are not interested in consistency. Try explaining to progressives that the massive expansion of executive power under the Obama administration will come back to bite them in the ass when a Republican becomes president.

    They either literally won't understand what you are saying, or they will just deny that a Republican will ever be president again.

  • CE||

    You know who else considers a prolonged government shutdown an advantage? Me. The longer the better.

  • Hillary's Clitdong||

    I assumed Warty had already taken advantage of the lawless hellhole America has become to commence his next rape campaign.

  • Bobarian||

    You assume falsely that he ever stopped his his previous (original) campaign.

  • Enough About Palin||

    I've heard that the first thing he did the moment after he was born is rape his mother and everyone else in the room.

  • Pro Libertate||

    Apparently, we don't need quite as much government as we've been led to believe.

  • Sevo||

    Dunno, Pro L, those womens' and minorities' bodies stacking up in the streets are gonna get smelly.
    Dyin' like FLIES, I tell ya!

  • Pro Libertate||

    Equally apparent is that we don't need this healthcare law, which apparently solves a problem that mostly doesn't exist by creating serious problems for the lion's share of the population.

  • Enough About Palin||

    I read that as Dykin'

  • Pro Libertate||

    I don't know, do they have lesbian flies? I'm dubious.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    Once the American people have seen the horror of elderly veterans gunned down on the Mall for lack of funding to permit them access to freestanding outdoor monuments, they'll clamor for unlimited borrowing to fund the vital functions of a 21st century society.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    Apparently, we don't need quite as much government as we've been led to believe.

    What an astoundingly callous thing to imply.

    You, sir, are a MONSTER.

  • BiMonSciFiCon||

    Does anyone have handy that quote from (I believe) Sowell where he talks about if the government is forced with a choice to shut down an essential/well-known vs. non-essential service, they will always choose to shut down the essential one? The quote may come from O'Rourke or Friedman, I can't recall at the moment, and I can't seem to track it down.

  • kinnath||

    life-saving meds for kids versus statues of benedict arnold (as I recall)

  • kinnath||

    life-saving meds for kids versus statues of benedict arnold (as I recall)

  • kinnath||

    http://townhall.com/columnists...../page/full

    Back in my teaching days, many years ago, one of the things I liked to ask the class to consider was this: Imagine a government agency with only two tasks: (1) building statues of Benedict Arnold and (2) providing life-saving medications to children. If this agency's budget were cut, what would it do?

    The answer, of course, is that it would cut back on the medications for children. Why? Because that would be what was most likely to get the budget cuts restored. If they cut back on building statues of Benedict Arnold, people might ask why they were building statues of Benedict Arnold in the first place.

  • BiMonSciFiCon||

    That's the one. Thanks.

  • kinnath||

    You are welcome

  • TheZeitgeist||

    The Gov apparently is not shut-down enough to go actually shut down Silk Road. Lame.

  • Hyperion||

    If there is truly good in this universe, 100 silk roads will spring forth from the dust of the original.

  • Brett L||

    That was at least in part because President Obama is refusing to negotiate on the debt limit. But a Democratic senator told The Hill this week that is no longer a concern, saying the White House can effectively deal with the GOP’s tactics.

    Really? I would not be so sanguine were I a Dem legislator. The President may be able to keep whatever polling he has, but the dude has never had coat-tails.

  • Not an Economist||

    Stuff like this keeps coming out, eventually the news media will have to report it and then it could get really bad. It would show their more concerned about gaining a political advantage than doing what is right for the US

  • FYTW||

    The managing director of Claude Moore Colonial Farm pointed out it costs the NPS more to police their park in an effort to keep it closed than it does to keep the park open, which costs the feds nothing.

    This is because this administration is chock-a-block with petty vindictive assholes, including but hardly limited to the Current Occupant.

    And Tony feverishly jerks his shriveled little penis that these people hold the levers of power.

  • ||

    I'm really tired of the phrase "public servant." If the main concern over a government shutdown is that employees of the government won't get paid, then how can they be called a servant? Whether it's an R saying defense cuts will cost jobs or a D saying the sequester will cost jobs, its an overall really pathetic prioritization of the role of government.

    It makes it sound like a jobs program, above all else. It sounds more like taxpayers are servants to federal employees, really.

    You all already knew that though.

  • ||

    Just change the phrase to "servant public" and it all makes sense.

  • Warty||

    So like a notary public, but even more useless?

  • Pro Libertate||

    That's not totally useless. For instance, in some states, notaries can conduct weddings.

  • ||

    The managing director of Claude Moore Colonial Farm pointed out it costs the NPS more to police their park in an effort to keep it closed than it does to keep the park open, which costs the feds nothing.

    I know neither side is "serious" about balancing the budget, but I find it just hilarious that the Dems vehemently insist that they are just so serious while pulling stunts like this.

  • Root Boy||

    Be sure to check out the pictures of the WW1 memorial fence vs. the WW2 memorial fence. Which one was expected to have visitors?

  • Alice Bowie||

    The 1st people not to receive paychecks should be ALL politicans. This'll never happen again.

  • Banjos||

    Yeah, cut off their paychecks. That'll teach those independent millionaires!

  • Pro Libertate||

    Fuck that. Penaltax them. If it's legal to do to us, let's just make it personally expensive for them to steal from us.

  • John||

    We need a 95% tax on all post government income over $50K for the first ten years upon leaving government. No more making millions from being in government.

  • Pro Libertate||

    They should be forbidden by law from working in any lobbying capacity at all for ten years after working for government.

  • John||

    I am starting to think Obama as usual has no plan and no idea what he is doing. He is totally confused by an opponent he can't bully into submission. Every day the spin out of the White House is different. They seem to have no plan beyond throwing a temper fit. This is not good.

  • Rrabbit||

    I think the President's Oath of Office should be changed. Instead of having the President elect swear some oath he'll then completely ignore for the next four years, perjury for which he will never be criminally charged, there should be a solemn ceremony where 315 million citizens simply say "so help us God" (*).

    (*) God used only as a placeholder. Muslims would say "so help us Allah", and pastafarians would say "so help us the invisible fyling spaghetti monster"

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