Palm Beach County Sheriff May Get $1 Million for First in the Nation “Violence Prevention Unit”

hi, hotline, i'd like to report the sheriff's officePalm Beach CountyThe effort by states to outdo each other with civil liberties violating legislation in the wake of shootings like those in Newtown and Aurora last year continues in Florida, where the state is close to sending $1 million to Palm Beach County Sheriff Ric Bradshaw for a “violence prevention unit” that will respond to tips about (presumably) potentially dangerous people. Here’s how Bradshaw describes it, via the Palm Beach Post:

“Every single incident, whether it’s Newtown, that movie theater, or the guy who spouts off at work and then goes home and kills his wife and two kids — in every single case, there were people who said they knew ahead of time that there was a problem,” Bradshaw said. “If the neighbor of the mom in Newtown had called somebody, this might have saved 25 kids’ lives.”

This is not actually a true statement. Murders, mass and otherwise, are also described as “the last person you’d expect to do it” (see: Ted Bundy) and not even in the specific cases Bradshaw mentioned was there a prominent account of someone knowing "ahead of time" something could happen. Anyone reading this can tick off a few names in their heads of people who “spout off at work.” They are highly unlikely to ever, ever commit a (violent) crime. The U.S. violent crime rate, in fact, has been going down for the last five years and is at historical lows.

But it seems its constitutional rights and civil liberties be damned for the sheriff. Via the Palm BeachPost again:

“We want people to call us if the guy down the street says he hates the government, hates the mayor and he’s gonna shoot him,” Bradshaw said. “What does it hurt to have somebody knock on a door and ask, ‘Hey, is everything OK?’ ”

Because everyone who “hates the government” is going to threaten to shoot the mayor in Bradshaw’s world of simplistic examples. It’s a brazen attitude that doesn’t bode well for the program. Bradshaw says his department knows “how to sift through frivolous complaints” in regards to obvious worries about the prime opportunity this hotline provides for abuse by score-settling neighbors.

The Florida governor, Rick Scott, can still use the line-item veto to stop this state spending, and ought to. Bradshaw’s response to the Seth Adams shooting ought to be enough to disqualify from any state support for yet more police powers. In that case, a deputy shot an unarmed man while conducting an “undercover investigation” not targeting Adams or his family’s business. He was cleared in a report the family has said is full of holes. Bradshaw defended the shooting before any facts were even known, leaning on the fact that Adams was dead and so there was only one side of the story.  There’s even a forum about all the alleged corruption in the Palm Beach County Sheriff’s office that the Florida governor’s office would do well to check out to help him decide against sending any money to this civil liberties abomination of a proposed program.

h/t Hyperion

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  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Precogs ain't cheap.

  • Hyperion||

    I posted a link to this story several days ago.

    This is going to be one big fucking disaster. What the fuck are these morons thinking? Are they capable of thinking?

  • Ed||

    I remembered seeing it in the comments a few days ago but couldn't remember where

  • Paul.||

    No descriptive hat tip to you! Only hat tip!

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Yeah well I used inception to plant the idea in Bradshaw's head in the first place so I should get ultimate credit for this story.

    The true disaster will be when the money runs out and they're crying about all the crimes they've claimed to have stopped the previous year with this program.

  • Sevo||

    "The true disaster will be when the money runs out and they're crying about all the crimes they've claimed to have stopped the previous year with this program."

    Just one more program we can't possibly cut!

  • Hyperion||

    Yep. Hey, State of FL, we just thought of something incredibly fucking stupid, can we get lots of $$$. State of FL - sure, why didn't you ask sooner?, we're rolling in bucks from all those bingo game taxes that we collected last year.

  • Sevo||

    ..."there were people (AFTER THE FACT) who said they knew ahead of time that there was a problem,"...

    Guess what? I'd be a farting through silk if looking at yesterday's market report had any meaning.

  • A Serious Man||

    If you see something, say something!

  • Live Free or Diet||

    Will they pay me for turning me in before my neighbors do?

  • Sevo||

    Naah.
    In your case, the cops have already tumbled to it.

  • Juice||

    I guess the first target of the Violence Prevention Unit will be the police station? Or maybe the Capitol?

  • Archduke Pantsfan||

    Alt-TEXT:
    WINNER WINNER POULTRY MEAL!

  • DJF||

    So after they get a tip, what are they going to do, go to the place, put up crime scene tape and stand around eating donuts?

  • Sevo||

    Not if there's a dog in sight. BAM!

  • Almanian!||

    I have FIVE dogs, so you should hear the noise when they cops visit MY house! It's like the Fourth of July - in Boston*!

    *too soon

  • Rrabbit||

    They will follow procedures:

    send a SWAT team there at 5:30 am
    no knock raid, kick in the door or some windows
    shoot the dogs
    arrest everybody
    mess up the place
    then find out they were at the wrong address

  • Paul.||

    Aurora last year continues in Florida, where the state is close to sending $1 million to Palm Beach County Sheriff Ric Bradshaw for a “violence prevention unit”

    Nothing succeeds in government like the desire to crush your citizens under the boot of tyranny.

  • Slammer||

    Wait until they train the children!

    With those children, he thought, that wretched woman must lead a life of terror. Another year, two years, and they would be watching her night and day for symptoms of unorthodoxy. Nearly all children nowadays were horrible. What was worst of all was that by means of such organizations as the Spies they were systematically turned into ungovernable little savages, and yet this produced in them no tendency whatever to rebel against the discipline of the Party...All their ferocity was turned outwards, against the enemies of State, against foreigners, traitors, saboteurs, thought-criminals. It was almost normal for people over thirty to frightened of their own children.

  • Paul.||

    It was almost normal for people over thirty to frightened of their own children.

    I childproofed my house, but they keep getting back in!

  • Sevo||

    I'm told they can crawl through 5/8" holes! But if you put steel wool in there, it tends to keep 'em out.

  • Almanian!||

    Steel wool worked to keep them out of my motorcycle exhaust pipes this winter.

  • Sevo||

    And kids can really plug up an exhaust! Plus, they stink when they get burned in there.

  • SweatingGin||

    So, they were millennials?

  • ||

    You joke, but a family friend smacked her kid for being a jackass and he called CPS on her.

    He's grown into a complete shitbag of an adult.

  • Sevo||

    Does he have any kids? Tell 'em to call the cops if he lights a joint.

  • ||

    No kids yet. He had a serious girlfriend and everyone was dreading the possibility.

    If I ever get SnipStarter off the ground, I will fully fund a vasectomy or him first thing.

  • Generic Stranger||

    That bit of hilarity would almost make up for the fact that he managed to procreate. Assuming he did, anyway.

  • A Serious Man||

    OT: Concern troll is concerned about Rand Paul being the GOP nominee.

    More important but less noticed was McCain's April 18 speech to the Center for New American Security that threw down the gauntlet against the Paul forces, lashing out against isolationism and calling for "a new Republican internationalism." He concluded by lamenting, "There are times these days when I feel that I have more in common on foreign policy with President Obama than I do with some in my own party."
    Where might the "new Republican internationalists" go if Paul wins this intra-party battle? Considering that likely Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton helped engineer the U.N.-backed military coalition that ousted Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi, and reportedly pushed Obama to directly arm the Syrian resistance, it's not hard to envision a "Republicans for Hillary" campaign if the alternative is Rand Paul.

  • Paul.||

    "There are times these days when I feel that I have more in common on foreign policy with President Obama than I do with some in my own party."

    Hmm, so we can equate Obama with McCain. Something tells me that the ObamaProgs would be very uncomfortable, but accurate depiction.

  • A Serious Man||

    Meh, they're currently happy with him because of his gun control vote. They discarded the right-wing extremist meme after it was of no use to them. Now McCain is the voice of sanity in the GOP.

  • mad libertarian guy||

    Meh, they're currently happy with him because of his gun control vote. They discarded the right-wing extremist meme after it was of no use to them. Now McCain is the voice of sanity in the GOP.

    Yep. In 08 McCain was the worst possible thing that could ever happen to America. Now he's What Republicans Should Be™.

  • Paul.||

    If the Kentucky senator is the Republican Party's standard bearer in 2016, it is not inconceivable that he could destroy the party

    We have to destroy it to save it.

    No, I mean it... we have to destroy it to save it.

  • mad libertarian guy||

    If the Kentucky senator is the Republican Party's standard bearer in 2016, it is not inconceivable that he could destroy the party[.]

    We can only hope so. But we must also prepare for the party fracturing and reforming in a direction further from liberty than it currently is. I can see more and more libertarianism in people who aren't partisan shitbags, but I'll believe that the GOP will lose the International Expeditionism and religious moralizing when I see it. I hope that minds closer to Rand Paul can prevail in this battle, but who the fuck knows.

  • Fatty Bolger||

    it's not hard to envision a "Republicans for Hillary" campaign if the alternative is Rand Paul.

    Seems pretty hard to me. Unless he means a bunch of Democrats masquerading as Republicans. That I can envision quite easily.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    McCain runs a presidential campaign that could easily qualify as one of the worst in living memory and he has the gall to tell someone else what needs to be done?

    Are there any brown people that John McCain isn't willing kill?

  • Sevo||

    Anonymous Coward| 5.3.13 @ 8:38PM |#
    "McCain runs a presidential campaign that could easily qualify as one of the worst in living memory and he has the gall to tell someone else what needs to be done?"

    Hey! He's a WAR HERO! He can do no wrong.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    Hey! He's a WAR HERO! He can do no wrong.

    John McCain was the Barney Fife of the Navy. If crashing planes and getting shot down is what qualifies you to be a war hero, then the Navy sets its sights very low and settles for very little.

  • oldtimer||

    Qualified as an ACE (for the other side) by losing five planes.

  • Aresen||

    If there is a "Republican for Hillary", I'd like to meet it.

  • Boisfeuras||

    More important but less noticed was McCain's April 18 speech ... calling for "a new Republican internationalism."

    "Conservative" internationalism? They can call themselves CONINTERN.

  • Almanian!||

    If you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear. Officer Safety is also paramount in these cases. So any tips about potentially violent people should prompt a response by a SWAT unit. Every time.

    Plus, training.

    Also, a millage dedicated to expanding this further annually to meet the rising tide of (underreported) domestic terrorism.

    Oh, also, fried chicken.

    Did I miss anything?

  • Sevo||

    "Did I miss anything?
    Dog target practice.

  • Almanian!||

    thank you

  • ||

    "In that case, a deputy shot an unarmed man while conducting an “undercover investigation” not targeting Adams or his family’s business. He was cleared in a report the family has said is full of holes. "

    Actually, he was cleared in three different investigations. And the physical evidence that came out COMPLETELY supported what the deputy said, to include Seth Adams' DNA found on the deputies throat where he said Adams grabbed/choked him, and Seth Adams DNA on his forearm which he said he used to break the hold.

    And of course Adams toxicology shows he was about 2 1/2 times the limit iirc, which means the deputy was confronted with a violent, drunk assaultive guy who made a claim to be a property owner, the deputy tried to defuse the situation and when he issued orders to Adam not return to his vehicle (where he feared Adams was retreating for a gun) Adams refused said orders.

    It's a tragic shooting, but the family can wank all they want. The EVIDENCE points to the shooting being justified.

    Then, there's the issue of the phone calls etc (establishing that Adams knew he was dealing with a LEO, that he didn't call 911 for help, etc.)

    The evidence supporting the shooting is strong.

    Included at the link is the FDLE investigation which is about 7 web pages and a pretty interesting read.

    http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/r.....-on-may-17

  • Tulpa (LAOL-VA)||

    Taking a very literalistic interpretation of their organization's name, Reason isn't good with empirical real-world evidence these days.

  • SweatingGin||

    Drink!

  • ||

    The Seth Adams is the PERFECT example (conspiracyers and those looking to slam cops LOVE a vacuum) of the kind of case that from the beginning allowed you to easily insert all sorts of stuff into the narrative to make it look bad.

    Once the adults took over , the evidence was gathered, etc. much of the vacuum was filled in, and nearly every little bit of evidence to fill in all those holes SUPPORTED the deputy's story and his reasonable belief that he was in fear for his life.

    I totally empathize with Adams. It's a tragedy. But when you do what Adams did, he practically BEGGED to get shot. Alcohol is a messed up drug when it comes to affecting judgment, restraint, etc.

    He had SO many opportunities to simply do the REASONABLE thing, but he didn't. He was assaultive, giving the officer every reason to believe that he was in danger from further violence, and when given a clear order not to go back and enter or reach into his car did so anyway. Just colossal "please shoot me" behavior

  • Coeus||

    He had SO many opportunities to simply do the REASONABLE thing, but he didn't.

    Neither did the trespassing cop. And if Adam had shot him, as he would have been legally justified in doing, would you be saying the same thing?

  • ||

    lol. I LOVE reasonoid "legal analysis". Yea, sure. He would have been completely justified. Lol.

    Seriously. You guys make my day.

    I'd love to see the funhouse mirror penal system that would develop if people with your level of "understanding" were the ones engaging in judicial review. It would be truly awesome. I love how I can look at a case and determine how the prosecutor, judge etc. will rule almost every time because I understand the law. And then, there are people like you.

    Seth Adams was almost certainly justifiably shot, which is a tragedy, but one completely of his own doing.

    He had every right to call 911 (he had a cell phone on him) and complain about the "trespassing" cop. He did not have the right to shoot or assault him based on his being parked in a business parking lot after hours.

    Seriously, it just amazes me how ridiculous the legal analysis of the anti-cop bigots can be.

    Oh, btw, it's only a CLAIM that Adams identified himself as a property owner. The Deputy said he didn't. It's far from dispositive as to the deadly force, though, either way.

    People on alcohol do dumb things. I just got finished watching the Reese Witherspoon video (props to her... she paid her $100 fine after pleading no contest) and she apologized to the LEO as she should. The video showed him to be polite and reasonable.

  • ||

    I have zero doubt that if we had a video of Seth Adams, it would show a similar story, just more violent. A drunk man drives up in an unmarked pickup truck (see: Apparent authority), attacks a police officer after the police officer identifies himself, disobeys an order not to return to his car and gets shot.

    Another story in the naked city where man in the wrong gets justifiably shot.

    A REASONABLE person first of all wouldn't have been driving DUI. But beyond that, he would have identified himself as the property owner (deputy said he didn't).

    He would have ASKED the deputy to leave. Deputy would have been within his rights to check online or phone resources to VERIFY if this man was in fact the property owner. Because there is no exigency.

    Adams would be free to also call 911 and ask for another officer to respond or a supervisor (of a supervisor), video/audiotape the incident (that would have been awesome). He was not ok in grabbing the officer's neck and escalating. And he got justifiably shot.

  • Coeus||

    He would have ASKED the deputy to leave. Deputy would have been within his rights to check online or phone resources to VERIFY if this man was in fact the property owner. Because there is no exigency.

    So, if there's someone on my property, I and I tell them to leave, I have to wait until they're satisfied that I'm the owner to enforce my property rights? Is that what the law is? Wanna point to the statute?

    Adams would be free to also call 911 and ask for another officer to respond or a supervisor (of a supervisor), video/audiotape the incident (that would have been awesome). He was not ok in grabbing the officer's neck and escalating.

    So, everytime the manager or owner of a bar wants to kick someone out, the bouncer isn't allowed to touch him until the cops verify that he has the right to do so? Is that how it works?

    Why didn't the cop just drive to right outside of the parking lot? Wouldn't that have de-escalated the situation? Why is it incumbent upon the property owner to de-escalate the situation and not the trespassing cop?

  • Fatty Bolger||

    Exactly Coeus. Why didn't the cop just fucking leave? That's what anybody else in the same situation would have done. If I was on private property and a guy drove up in a pickup (drunk or not) saying that he was the owner and I had to go, my automatic reaction is to believe him and leave the premises. And people with a brain don't automatically unload their gun into somebody just because they're going back to their vehicle.

  • Tulpa (LAOL-VA)||

    If I was on private property and a guy drove up in a pickup (drunk or not) saying that he was the owner and I had to go, my automatic reaction is to believe him and leave the premises.

    So if cops investigating a break-in find someone in the house who claims to be the owner/tenant and tells them to leave, they should just leave no questions asked?

    It's much easier to criticize after the fact when you know the identity of the drunk guy driving the pickup; the cop doesn't have that luxury.

  • Fatty Bolger||

    So if cops investigating a break-in find someone in the house who claims to be the owner/tenant and tells them to leave, they should just leave no questions asked?

    Do you deliberately specialize in terrible analogies?

    But to answer your question, if a plain-clothes cop went into a house and then was told to leave by somebody in the house, then yes, the cop should leave. And when the guy in the house starts walking towards his bedroom, the cop should not unload his gun into him because he's "been trained that most people keep their guns in their bedrooms."

  • Tulpa (LAOL-VA)||

    So, everytime the manager or owner of a bar wants to kick someone out, the bouncer isn't allowed to touch him until the cops verify that he has the right to do so?

    Totally different situation. The bar is a place of public accommodation and your presence there is only allowed because there is an understanding that the general public are allowed to just walk in (unlike other kinds of private property). So there's a lot of stuff that you're allowed to/supposed to assume, like that someone representing himself to be the manager/bouncer really is such. That's why you're allowed to assume that the guy behind the counter at a camera shop really is the owner or an authorized employee, and you're not committing theft when you pay him and he lets you take a camera.

    This situation is totally different.

  • Whahappan?||

    The cop was not justified in shooting Adams. Period. I don't care what his buddies concluded in their investigation. There's no way the officer feared for his life, it was not self defense, it was an execution for failing to respect his authoritah. And you condone that, but want to deceive the naive into believing it was justified.

  • Meerkatx||

    Most LEO's shouldn't carry weapons. They are far to eager to use them. Maybe without weapons they would learn how to diffuse a situation with words.

  • ||

    The cop was the one being unreasonable in the first place. He instigated the incident and then murdered him. You're allowed to be drunk at your own place without a goon shooting you.

  • ||

    Nvm about legal limit I thought he had came out of the business not passed by it. Still the death penalty isn't the punishment for drunk driving.

  • ||

    There was no death penalty. It wasn't punitive, it was the officer protecting himself based on his reasonable perception of risk of death or serious bodily injury. Read the FDLE report. The deputy was violently assaulted by the intoxicated male who THEN refused repeated orders not to return to his car.

    There have been several shootings of officers involving a similar fact pattern (what the deputy was referring to) and several ofc. shootings with a similar fact pattern. THe fact is this, whatever else is the case, after the deputy was violently attacked (DNA don't lie) and he gave the order to the man not to get back into his car, that's where the rubber hits the road.

    Seth Adams at that point sealed his fate. He decided he didn't have to obey that lawful order, and especially after violently assaulting the deputy. He had a cell phone. He could call 911. He could have ASKED the deputy to leave (deputy said he did NOT).

    What you had was a intoxicated hothead who was violent and made a serious of very poor choices and had only himself to blame for the tragic consequences of his poor choices.

    As ANY rational viewer of the facts, and as the 3 different independent reviews, clearly show.

  • ||

    (deputy said he did NOT).

    Of course we should definitely believe him, and we can't ask Adams cause...you know, this isn't Fringe.

  • Tulpa (LAOL-VA)||

    Of course we should definitely believe him

    If you refuse to believe the cop, then you don't have any evidence to base a belief on, so the logical conclusion is to admit you don't know whether he was in the right or not.

    Far too often, the people around here just assume the cop was in the wrong in the absence of compelling evidence that he was right (and sometimes even in the presence thereof).

  • ||

    That's what I'm saying, we don't know if he's right or not and we'll never know.

    Dunphy wants to clear the cop based on his own testimony, I'm not willing to do that. I'm not condemning him, just saying that the incentives are always bad when he gets to be in a better situation because the other guy is dead.

  • ||

    You assume we buy the reviews (we don't) but it doesn't really matter to me. We pay the police to put their lives at risk to handle these situations. I would have no problem with the ridiculous pay we currently give out if that was the case. Hell, even way more. But, apparently officer safety is paramount. That's not what I'm paying for. You should be able to handle situations like this where a property owner has legitimate reasons to fear. You should be able to handle even when their fear isn't legitimate. You should put your life on the line to ensure no one else is dead. You put the blame one the hothead defending his property and that is bullshit. He had LEGITIMATE reason to violently attack from his and ANY rational viewers perspective even if it turned out not to be the case. This is what we pay the police to deal with.

  • Whahappan?||

    DNA don't lie, but crime lab reports sure do, as you well know.

  • ||

    The cop didn't instigate anything, except doing his job.

  • Coeus||

    The cop didn't instigate anything, except doing his job.

    That's quite a non-libertarian view of property rights you got there.

  • Meerkatx||

    The cop should get off of peoples private property when asked, even if the owner is drunk. How's that for some logic.

  • Fluffy||

    I don't have to let you on my property to do your job unless you have a warrant or unless you have exigent circumstances, neither of which the cop had.

    It's also convenient that the department asserts there was an "undercover investigation" going on, because that relieves them of the responsibility of actually detailing a specific reason the deputy was on the property. Area locals assert he was there because he used the parking lot to meet his mistress - an accusation I find extraordinarily easy to believe.

    "Oh shit, why should we say the deputy was there?"

    "I KNOW! We'll say it was an 'undercover investigation'!"

  • Tulpa (LAOL-VA)||

    Area locals assert he was there because he used the parking lot to meet his mistress - an accusation I find extraordinarily easy to believe.

    And thus you flag yourself as a biased observer.

  • Tulpa (LAOL-VA)||

    You're allowed to be drunk at your own place without a goon shooting you.

    Indeed, but you are accountable for any actions you take while drunk.

  • ||

    Tulpa's back.....

    Greeeeeaaaaaat.

  • Coeus||

    Actually, he was cleared in three different investigations. And the physical evidence that came out COMPLETELY supported what the deputy said, to include Seth Adams' DNA found on the deputies throat where he said Adams grabbed/choked him, and Seth Adams DNA on his forearm which he said he used to break the hold.

    He shot the guy point blank and had his blood all over him. Of course his DNA was on him.

    And of course Adams toxicology shows he was about 2 1/2 times the limit iirc,

    .13 is not 2 1/2 times the legal limit.

  • ||

    my mistake on that. I said iirc for a reason. Thanks for the correction.

    And he had DNA specifically on his neck consistent with being grabbed there.

    Dog doesn't hunt. It's that simple.

    On average, cops do a fantastic job day in day out of de-escalating drunk violent people and resolving situations with no force whatsoever in most cases, and very low levels in many more. But some people just don't offer the cops a choice. Like Seth Adams.

    It's a tragedy but such an obviously justified tragedy.

  • Coeus||

    But some people just don't offer the cops a choice. Like Seth Adams.

    You're right. How dare he walk back to his car on his own property.

  • Coeus||

    And he had DNA specifically on his neck consistent with being grabbed there.

    It is also consistent with minute quantities of blood spraying there, just like on his leg (which, if you noticed, was present, but there was no claim that he grabbed his leg).

  • Fluffy||

    Dunphy, fuck you.

    If I stroll into my house and find you sitting on my couch without a warrant, I get to punch you in the face if you don't leave.

    It doesn't matter if I'm drunk. It doesn't matter if you're a cop. It doesn't matter whether I called 911 or not.

    If you trespass, responsibility for all events occuring during the confrontation over the trespass belongs to you.

    The deputy's report in no way indicates that the deputy ever tried to leave. You SHOULD fear death and serious injury if you're trespassing and refuse to leave.

  • Rrabbit||

    Florida law allows property management to deny access to anyone for any reason.

    Curtis not leaving the premises once the owner told him to do so probably(*) constitutes armed trespass, a 3rd degree felony under Florida state law.

    (*) depending on how Adams worded his request asking Curtis to leave.

  • Sevo||

    ...'Where might the "war mongers" go if Paul wins'...

    They can go to hell as far as I'm concerned.

  • Hyperion||

    I see we were sorta thinking alike again, Sev...

  • ||

    I'm sure they can find a home in TEAM BLUE.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    To hell, by the most expeditiously painful means possible.

  • Hyperion||

    Where might the "new Republican internationalists" go if Paul wins this intra-party battle?

    Straight to Hell, if I had my way.

  • Sevo||

    Ha HA. Beat ya to it this time!

  • Hyperion||

    NO FUCKING WAY!!!

    Look, the post are both at exactly 8:04! It was the mistake of H&R, that your post is above mine. I demand a recount!

  • Hyperion||

    8:02, that is.

    Damn, this beer is strong...

  • ||

    What beer is it?

  • Sevo||

    "Sockpuppet Beer", Epi...

  • ||

    That's the weakest kind of all! Hyperion must be a lightweight. Have some Barleywine you pussy!

  • Archduke Pantsfan||

    de-alcoholized beer?

  • Hyperion||

    de-alcoholized beer?

    They're actually people who drink that?

  • Sevo||

    Episiarch| 5.3.13 @ 8:18PM |#
    "That's the weakest kind of all!"

    Hah! Not on your life! Look up thread; it called Tulpa back!

  • Hyperion||

    Hah! Not on your life! Look up thread; it called Tulpa back!

    I guess he just loves us too much.

  • Hyperion||

    "Sockpuppet Beer", Epi...

    They make beer out of sockpuppets? Is it as delicious and intoxicating as proglodyte tears beer? I still have my 2010 reserve in stock.

  • Hyperion||

    It's made by Widmer Bros, it's a pale ale.

  • A Serious Man||

    There's only one way to settle this:

    (breaks pool stick, throws it on ground) Make it fast.

  • Generic Stranger||

    TWO COMMENTORS ENTER, ONE COMMENTOR LEAVES.

  • Sevo||

    'Hyperion, you've been chopped!'

  • Hyperion||

    No, you've been chopped, fool! Don't make me challenge you to a webpocalypse death match!

  • ||

    Correction: the deputy said to investigators that he broke the hold but didn't recall exactly how, just to clarify on the forearm DNA

  • ||

    Oh, and another correction. IIRC, the deputy said Adams never made a claim to be the property owner. Others have made the claim that he made that claim.

    Prior to rereading the FDLE report... I should have reread it THEN posted. My bad

  • ||

    It's amazing how you can shape the story when the only other witness is dead.

  • Almanian!||

    In Soviet Russia, violence prevents YOU!

  • Almanian!||

    This fucking movie "Premium Rush" has turned into the horrid "Breaking Away". Fuck! Stupid kid...."this movie's highly actional." No, it's just stupid.

  • Archduke Pantsfan||

    How can you watch a movie during the NHL Playoffs!?!?!

  • Sevo||

    How can you want the NHL playoffs when there's paint drying?!

  • Hyperion||

    How can you watch NHL.... unless you are from Canuckistan, and can only venture outdoors in August.

  • Archduke Pantsfan||

    August? And get molested by Mosquitoes!?!?!?

  • Hyperion||

    Or black flies, I assume...

  • Archduke Pantsfan||

    not so much the black flies here.
    But also horseflies near all the lakes.

  • Ted S.||

    My team isn't in the playoffs. Why should I give a shit about the NHL for the rest of the season?

  • A Serious Man||

    "Breaking Away" was NOT horrid. Just because Janeway was from Bloomington does not mean that everything associated with that town is bad.

  • ||

    Breaking Away? That's probably in my top 20 list of all time favorite movies. The one with the bicycle race at the end and the kid who is a wannabe Italian. Early Dennis Quaid appearance.

    GREAT soundtrack. Or is the proper term "score"? Not sure.

  • A Serious Man||

    Soundtrack would encompass all the music used in the film, both original and not. Score is the incidental and thematic music written specifically for the film.

  • ||

    Thanks. I never knew what the distinction was. Either way, some of the best use of classical music in a piece of "common man" entertainment since... well ... Looney Tunes

  • Stormy Dragon||

    Bradshaw’s response to the Seth Adams shooting ought to be enough to disqualify from any state support for yet more police powers. In that case, a deputy shot an unarmed man while conducting an “undercover investigation” not targeting Adams or his family’s business. He was cleared in a report the family has said is full of holes. Bradshaw defended the shooting before any facts were even known, leaning on the fact that Adams was dead and so there was only one side of the story.

    It's too bad for Custer Seth Adams wasn't black. People wouldn't be questioning his story that Adams attacked him and was strangling him, and would be celebrating as a hero of second ammendment rights.

  • ||

    Sounds like the depraved law enforcement jackals of British cities. Motherfucking no. Kill it with FIRE.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    in every single case, there were people who said they knew ahead of time that there was a problem,”

    Those people are full of shit.

    "I knew that was gonna happen!" is what every fucking yoyo says. That doesn't mean they actually did.

    But that's okay. Maybe these noble law enforcement professionals will gt to put notches on their guns, when they knock on somebody's door and he answers it with a gun in his hand.

  • ||

    The thing is that there are TONS of cases where everybody knew that something was going to happen, or that a guy was sending off red flags, nothing happens, and then they forget it.

    Selection bias'y stuff.

    It's like economists predicting 20 of the last 4 recessions

  • Sevo||

    The Late P Brooks| 5.3.13 @ 8:22PM |#
    "'in every single case, there were people who said they knew ahead of time that there was a problem,”'
    Those people are full of shit."

    The body lies near a body of water! There was foul play involved! Do you know someone whose name begins with M?

  • cavalier973||

    "His name was Bo Ziffer."

    "MISTER Bo Ziffer?"

  • Archduke Pantsfan||

  • Slammer||

    Howard Stern needs to sue

  • Tulpa (LAOL-VA)||

    Yet another piece to the 1984 puzzle, nice. Except nosy Floridians probably won't even get an increase in their potato ration for their tips.

    One quibble, if someone specifically says that they are going to shoot a specific person, with no jocular indication, that is an actionable threat, even in Libertopia I would think.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    One quibble, if someone specifically says that they are going to shoot a specific person, with no jocular indication, that is an actionable threat, even in Libertopia I would think.

    You left out reasonable belief. A threat by itself isn't actionable. Sort of like if Stephen Hawking threatened to slap the shit out of you, you would probably not be able to tell a court that you reasonably believed that a quadriplegic was capable of battering you with their hands.

  • Austrian Anarchy||

    What if he threatens to run you over?

  • Anonymous Coward||

    Run you over with what? His chair? Then it's a question of reasonable force.

  • C. Anacreon||

    I think on a Simpsons episode Stephen Hawking's chair had a contraption which fired a telescoping boxing glove out at people needing a good punch. So you'd have to be careful about that.

  • Tulpa (LAOL-VA)||

    I guess the Violence Prevention Unit would have to figure out if the fellow was capable of carrying out the threat.

  • ||

    TOP.MEN.

  • A Serious Man||

    I'm also reminded of this pretty good book.

  • MJGreen||

    You're all far too dogmatic. We have to think about how to make this bill advance the libertarian cause. If we sit down with this fine, well-meaning gentleman and talk honestly, we might be able to fashion a compromise that expands liberty on net.

  • Hyperion||

    It will, there's no need to do anything, just sit back and watch.

  • Hyperion||

    Before you know it, we'll have 80 year olds running around Palm Beach(after bingo and before 7am bed time, of course), wearing Gadsen flag bandanas and brandishing AR-15 look alike paint ball guns.

  • Sevo||

    "Perhaps we can reason with it!"
    Nat Lamp trivia from long ago.

  • C. Anacreon||

    We're the guys from Nat Lamp and we've got a pet cat named Blackie,
    We're crazy, we're nutty, we're wacky.

  • Brett L||

    Well, fuck. This is what happens when there's too much money in the state budget. I guess we can lower the fucking sales tax. Thank goodness those fuckers are legally required to wrap it up tonight.

  • Austrian Anarchy||

    Since this is Rush Limbaugh's neighborhood, I wonder if there is another agenda going on here?

  • Hyperion||

    When this passes, every single resident of Palm Beach should call up the gestapo hotline and report Ric Bradshaw has been seen prowling around in their neighborhood, naked and masturbating in public.

    What the fuck kind of a name is Ric?

  • Sevo||

    He lost the K with his pants.

  • sloopyinca||

    WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! What do you mean, what kind of a name is Ric? That kinda talk'll get you put in a figure-four leglock, boy!

    -"Nature Boy" Ric Flair

  • Enjoy Every Sandwich||

    “What does it hurt to have somebody knock on a door and ask, ‘Hey, is everything OK?’ ”

    Yeah, 'cause that's all "somebody" will do, pay a nice friendly visit.

  • Hyperion||

    Let's just say that everyone in Palm Beach should make a drill out of hiding their dogs every time that someone knocks on the door...

  • SweatingGin||

    A nice friendly visit for a voluntary search, like in Boston.

  • ||

    This is not a first.

    Were'nt the boyscouts and other groups used as informants during the World wars? I think they wandered around looking for anyone who wasnt sufficiently patriotic or some such shit. This is a few notches creepier and has a serious Stasi feel to it.

    I am too lazy to google it. By the time I finish mixing my drink and saunter back to the computer, someone will have done it for me.

  • SweatingGin||

    I won't google it for you.

    If you see something, say something.

    Reading a book on wikileaks and cypherpunks right now, kind of waiting for the time when we realize half the country is spying on the other half.

  • Sevo||

    Suthenboy| 5.3.13 @ 9:15PM |#
    "This is not a first.
    Were'nt the boyscouts and other groups used as informants during the World wars?"

    In CA during WWII, they didn't bother to wait for accusations.
    Those famous liberals Earl Warren and FDR simply jammed anyone with a Japanese name in concentration camps and let everyone who remained steal their property.

  • Gladstone||

    The Right People were in charge.

  • C. Anacreon||

    "Earl Warren. First woman on the Supreme Court."
    -Hank Hill

  • The Late P Brooks||

    Here's a question. The Culpeper police apparently had actionable forewarning of one their own officers being a menace, and they couldn't/didn't even get that right.

    Why in the fuck should we believe this is in any way likely to work as advertised?

  • SweatingGin||

    Anyone reading this can tick off a few names in their heads of people who “spout off at work.”

    I've made a big effort at my current work to not reveal political thoughts. It would be a close friend of mine. He'd turn me in in a second if HRH asked.

  • Sevo||

    Folks, have you seen 'my uncle's hair dresser makes $5M/hour on the abacus'?
    Have you seen 'dued has some time figures out, we shud go with it'?
    And, no I'm not gonna 'roll that beautiful bean footage".
    I'm gonna give a big shout-out to MIKE! Way to go Mike!

  • Hyperion||

    Fuck, that nuthin, my ant bee, she make $8 an hour pickin pubic lice out of the hos downtown.

  • Sevo||

    Yeah, but Mike kept her off the site, too!
    Way to go Mike!

  • Coeus||

    OT: Everything we don't like is rape, part 76,453:

    Iphone Pick-up artist game.

    It's easy to brush these games (both real and virtual) aside as harmless, or even helpful, for guys that need guidance. But they don't teach men to listen to or try to develop a meaningful connection with the women they're trying to pick up, because pick-up artists are only concerned with boosting their own confidence by soliciting attention from women.

    Programming men to ignore every aspect of a women's personality other than how she makes them feel about themselves leads to men who, as documented in our "Rapists Explain Themselves on Reddit" post, are so disconnected from reality that they don't even think to look a woman in the face to be sure she wants to have sex.
  • MJGreen||

    men who, as documented in our "Rapists Explain Themselves on Reddit" post, are so disconnected from reality that they don't even think to look a woman in the face to be sure she wants to have sex.

    Huh? They're... they're rapists. They don't care at all about what the other person wants. That's why they rape.

  • Hyperion||

    Well, let's 'face' it, lots of women you don't want to look in the face when having sex, having them face down is best.

  • Ted S.||

    Programming men to ignore every aspect of a women's personality other than how she makes them feel

    Don't women ignore every aspect of a man's personality other than how he makes them feel?

  • Hyperion||

    Don't women ignore every aspect of a man's personality other than how he makes them feel?

    Lots of them won't ignore your financial assets, thus my rule of never marry a woman who is not financially secure. Otherwise, don't get married. But everyone is free to risk half their stuff, or worse, if you want to throw some chilins into the pool, anytime they want. That's why we're Libertarians.

  • Sevo||

    "because pick-up artists are only concerned with boosting their own confidence by soliciting attention from women."

    When I was younger and had a pocket full of money, I found many women who seemed interested in boosting their ego by arriving in the car that the valets parked right at the entrance.
    So?

  • Hyperion||

    Sexist!

  • Sevo||

    And one got out of the car and tossed her fur over the seat back of the convertible and left it there while we dined.
    I ended up disliking the woman thoroughly, but that was a class move!

  • Archduke Pantsfan||

  • Nazdrakke||

    Swell. I'm sure that'll calm things right down.

  • Nazdrakke||

    Yea, so totally OT any gamers out there play Defiance yet? I'm installing it now and was wondering what to expect.

  • Hyperion||

    Nope. What genre?

  • Nazdrakke||

    It's the one that is also a TV show. MMO Shooter. Looks interesting, but I haven't gamed online in years, and I did that on PC, like a gentleman does, rather than this squalid xbox 360 I am forced to use atm.

  • Hyperion||

    I can't game online, not enough free time, so if it's MMO, I am out.

    Sorry about the Xbox 360, I have one and it hasn't been turned on for months. I'm trying to finish Kingdoms of Amalur at them moment, on PC of course.

  • ||

    A friend of mine is playing it. He likes it. I'm waiting until I get caught up on the show to give it a try.

  • Sevo||

    Is it like solitaire?
    (just asking)

  • Hyperion||

    A shooter like solitaire?

  • Archduke Pantsfan||

  • AuH20||

    You watching the show?

    I am really liking it so far.

  • AuH20||

    You watch the show by any chance?

    I am liking it so far.

  • AuH20||

    DOUBLE POST!

  • ||

    I've been dvr'ing it so far and we caught up tonight. I like it but I feel that is largely because Sci-fi tv is pretty damn weak these days. There's enough "chick shit" in it that we'll continue to watch it.

  • Archduke Pantsfan||

  • Archduke Pantsfan||

    Bernie Ecclestone is planning to team up with former business partner Chris Pook and American businessman Zak Brown to buy the Long Beach Grand Prix in 2015 and reinstall Formula 1 at the event from 2016, 33 years after the sport last raced in southern California.

  • Coeus||

    OT: Old blind man gets mugged, beats the shit out of attacker.

    Fifty-one-year-old Gordon Besaw has glaucoma. He and his seeing eye dog, Derby, were headed to the VA Medical Center for treatment Tuesday when police say he was attacked by 27-year-old Christopher Andrew.
    "He asked me, 'Are you blind?' I said yes," said Besaw. "He said, 'I can make you see before you see God.' "
    Police say Andrew punched the retired U.S. Army Special Forces soldier in the head.
    "He said, 'I can make you see again' and he punched me in the head again," Besaw said. "I'm like, 'Man, you're not going to like the way this is going to go.'"

    Besaw says he let go of his dog's leash, told Derby to stay and used his military training to subdue Andrew until police arrived.
    "I hip tossed him," said Besaw. "... and I began to choke him."
    When police arrived, they found Besaw on top of Andrew.
    The vet's would-be attacker is now facing felony charges for aggravated assault and battery.
  • ||

    There's something incredibly satisfying when assholes pick on someone thinking it's gonna be easy and get their asses handed to them.

  • Hyperion||

    Too bad he didn't 'make him see' by punching his punk face a few times.

  • Hyperion||

    Reminds me of this. Don't be so quick to fuck with old guys:

    Bus scene

    I actually witnessed something similar to this last year when I was in Manhattan. We were walking from Times Square back to the NJ ferry, and the girls wanted to stop at a McDonalds to use the restroom.

    While we were in there, and I was waiting for the girls, there was some scene going on between one of the employees, who was maybe 30, and a customer, who was probably 60. Next think I knew young cocky guy said, let's take it outside. Moments later, I hear a 'crack' and looked out the window to see McDonalds hero hit the pavement. Not sure who was right or wrong, because I don't know what was going on, but the kid got hit ass kicked.

  • Coeus||

  • Hyperion||

    Damn, dude, I don't know where you got that pic, but it does look a hell of a lot like the guy on the bus!

  • Coeus||

    It is. Dude is actually crazy. There's a bunch of footage of him ranting on youtube.

  • Hyperion||

    So his hobby is just to go around beating up guys on the bus, lol?

  • Coeus||

    No, he's usually the non-violent type of crazy. In his attempt to keep it real, "amber lamps" poked the wrong bear.

  • Hyperion||

    I used to wear my fanny pack on the side. I only used it to carry my jigs when I was crappie fishing. Those were the days. It's probably illegal to catch a fish here in MD, or you have to pay $3000 a fish or some such statist bullshit.

  • Gray Ghost||

    Weird. I thought fanny pack was the international sign for "I am carrying and can't google 'Crossbreed".

    IOW, about the last guy I'd choose to mess with.

  • Coeus||

    OT:

    Any Tori Black fans here?

    Tori Black's (Michelle Chapman's) mugshot after being arrested for domestic battery of her fiance (she punched him in the face).

  • Tulpa (LAOL-VA)||

    Disappointed- she doesn't look that bad in the mug shot.

    Take "getting engaged to a porn actress" off my fucket list.

  • Coeus||

    And here's Bree Olsen's mugshot. It appears to be before she got genital warts from Charlie Sheen.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    Mugshot: 8/10. Would still hit. She would probably not feel anything though.

  • Coeus||

  • Sevo||

    'Right-wing media will teach you to PRINT untraceable assault rifles'

    Pretty sure that's been covered.

  • Irish||

    Watching them weep as they realize that it's impossible to control society is truly amazing. Their bitter tears are glorious.

    You'd think that things like this would teach them that it's impossible to control people because if people want something, they will find a way to get it regardless of whether or not you say it's okay.

    Instead, all it does is teach them to double down on their obsessive, controlling nature.

    They cannot learn.

  • Hyperion||

    They're going to learn, just not willingly.

  • AuH20||

    And it may get ugly before they do. The elites have not handled the internet well at all. For so long, so much of the elite (politics, media, science to an extent, entertainment, academia) relied on the control of information, on what the little people could and could not know. But, as the Internet taught us, "Information wants to be free." And it is scaring the shit out of them, because they no longer can control the non-elites, who they have never trusted to be as moral, or as smart, or as far-sighted as the elites.

    The funny thing is that the common people often posses those traits in greater abundance than the elites, the elites have just convinced themselves that this isn't true.

  • Hyperion||

    We live in frightening times

    Yes, the government is getting more frightening all of the time, hence need for things like that.

  • Coeus||

    Only slightly OT:
    Police Cruiser drives up pole.

    Commenters at Policeone are very concerned that he actually got a ticket. But another cop assured them that it would be dismissed, so I guess all is right with the world again.

  • Stormy Dragon||

    Whoever installed that electrical pole ought to feel very proud of themselves. They apparently did an excellent job.

  • Russell||

    PB 's finest reason that best way to curb the vicious and ducking stool worthy misdemeanor of "Being a Public Scold " is to round them all up and deputize them.

  • WomSom||

    Sounds pretty serious to me dude. Wow.

    www.Total-Anon.tk

  • ||

    Oh WomSom, you're gonna make Sevo have a sad if he comes back.

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