U.K. Talks Deregulation While Americans Await More Red Tape

I'm not clear on when the United States so thoroughly lost its way as a relatively market-friendly nation, but when the British prime minister is making noise about slashing bureaucratic red tape while Americans are worried about a post-election "regulatory tsunami," I think it's fair to say that something went horribly off the rails.

From the Independent Online:

Britain's bureaucrats must summon the spirit used to defeat Hitler's Germany in order to stimulate sustained growth in the country's stuttering economy, Prime Minister David Cameron was to say Monday.

In a speech at the annual conference of the Confederation of British Industry (CBI) - an influential business lobbying group - Cameron was to outline plans to cut through red tape, according to extracts released by his Downing Street office.

He was to blame pressure from lobbyists for creating “risk-averse” civil servants and explain his plans to get “Britain on the rise to compete and thrive in the global race.

“Over the past two and a half years I've worked with exceptional civil servants who are as creative and enterprising as any entrepreneur - and they are as frustrated with a lot of this bureaucratic rubbish as I am,” he was to say.

By contrast, Breitbart reported after the recent election:

President Barack Obama's administration deliberately held off implementing burdensome regulations that favored environmentalists, labor unions, and dealt with Obamacare in the month leading up to the election because they would be politically unpopular.

Before Obama won reelection, the backlog of regulations suggested to many industry experts that if Obama won reelection, his administration would be "publishing thousands of pages of regulations in the coming months." 

Now that Obama won, some in the business community expect a "tsunami" of regulations that will burst through the dam because about 70 percent of regulations under review have been held for more 90 days, which is 30 days more than the customary 60-day limit. And these are regulations that have made it out of the various agencies. There are many more still on hold.

According to the National Journal, the backlog of regulations came about because "EPA staffers continued to finalize major environmental rules—but not to submit them to OMB for review. Industry lobbyists and environmental lawyers estimate that the EPA is currently sitting on about a dozen new major regulations, completed, and ready to roll out the door."

This isn't to say that the U.K. is a market-friendly paradise. Britons still leave the country to escape a relatively high tax rate. Then again, they can do that, since British taxes stop at the border. Americans, by contrast, have to ditch their citizenship to do the same thing.

But politicians in the U.K. are, at least, making noises about easing regulatory burdens on doing business and creating wealth, while American officials have been hiding just how much tougher they're about to make it to do the same thing. That suggests a major difference in emphasis by officeholders in the two countries. It'll be ... interesting to see where this all ends up in a few years. You'll know for sure if the Brits end up sending economic advisors to the U.S. to teach us how to re-create a market economy.

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  • Palin's Buttplug||

    These new regulations that BratFart makes up are mostly fiction. According to Bloomberg News the Obama team has created far less so than the Bush administration did.

    If the EPA is out of control why is energy production in the US set to put us #1 (oil) in the world by 2016 and completely independent a decade later?

  • ||

    new regulations that BratFart makes up are mostly fiction

    So what about the National Journal?

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    It says little other than Obama is postponing some vague (unnamed) regs until after the election.

    They fail to mention that the SCOTUS struck down the state Medicaid requirement. That leaves states free to evade the worst of Obamacare.

  • ||

    In the summer of 2011, EPA was expected to issue a long-awaited regulation curbing smog-causing ozone pollution from coal plants. But the rule concerned the White House political staff, because it would have directly affected coal plants in Ohio, Virginia, and Pennsylvania—all key swing states. White House officials reportedly told Jackson to delay the rule until after the election—a move, people close to the EPA said, that nearly led to the administrator’s resignation.

    That was the beginning of the freeze. As 2011 drew to a close, EPA staffers continued to finalize major environmental rules—but not to submit them to OMB for review. Industry lobbyists and environmental lawyers estimate that the EPA is currently sitting on about a dozen new major regulations, completed, and ready to roll out the door, but on hold until after the election. Nearly all of them will have a significant impact on the coal and oil industry.

    Those do not seem "vague" to me.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Not only vague but irrelevant.

    A lower court struck down those EPA regs two months ago (NJ should know that since I do) and coal is being replaced by cheaper natural gas due to the market alone.

  • ||

    How can a court strike down rules that have been held back?

  • DJK||

    In PB's world, things don't need to make sense. Courts don't need to follow civil procedure. They can just fictitiously strike down legislation if it fits the narrative. When asked to provide a link, PB will say that the opinion is not available and that, even if it were, he need not cite it because libertarians are stupid.

    It's called arguing in bad faith.

  • Sevo||

    Palin's Buttplug| 11.19.12 @ 6:40PM |#
    "These new regulations that BratFart makes up are mostly fiction. According to Bloomberg News the Obama team has created far less so than the Bush administration did."

    Dipshit: IT'S BOOOOSH'S FAULT!!!
    Listen, bozo, no one made any claims about Bush. Try to keep up.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Obama actually voted for the pro-fracking bill as US Senator.

    I know redneck AM radio (and wingnut sites) tell you lies but try not to be so gullible.

    We're going to have a huge bull market 2013-2016 and Obama will get credit. I know that makes you sick.

    (Don't forget the record stock market rise in his first term either).

  • ||

    We're going to have a huge bull market 2013-2016 and Obama will get credit

    Oh you poor poor man.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Larry Fink of Blackrock manages more money than any private investor in the world - over $10 trillion IIRC.

    He says go 100% long into stocks now.

    Yes, he supports Obama too, if it matters.

    I know - Fat Rush and Beck say we are on the verge of disaster. Fuck them both - and fuck all the dumbass GOPers you love.

  • ||

    We have not recovered from the last recession.

    Recessions happen about every 7 years.

    Our debt to GDP ratio is cutting more then 1% per year from our GDP and has been doing so for the past 4 years. Another recession will bury the US economy.

    I should point out that no GOPer has ever mentioned what I just wrote above. I should also point out betting against a recession is a really really bad idea. The last long uninterrupted period of growth was the 90s....a time at which we had very high employment, a shrinking deficit, huge titanic changes in consumer technology, improvements in efficiency and gas under a dollar a gallon. None of which is present today.

    You may be right perhaps we will magically avoid a recession. I put the odds of that happening at 1000 to 1.

  • Cytotoxic||

    Someone please book mark this for the next recession we are about to have.

  • PapayaSF||

    No kidding. The Obamacare layoffs have already begun, but the 2014 penalties are based on 2013 employment numbers, so many more are due to come shortly.

    Neither Obamacare nor Dodd-Frank can be implemented without piles of regulations as yet unwritten (or at least unpublished). There is indeed an approaching tsunami which will hit the economy hard. As usual Buttplug is talking out of his ass.

  • Lewisite||

    "He says go 100% long into stocks now."

    Buy them again in about 2018 - 2020?

  • Calidissident||

    Shrike's default responses to any opposing argument are a) BOOOOSH! and b)"Redneck AM radio and wingnut talking points." It will be interesting to see what he does now that he's already used up both strategies so quickly in this comment thread. My guess is c)repeat a and b

  • Sevo||

    Palin's Buttplug| 11.19.12 @ 6:53PM |#
    "Obama actually voted for the pro-fracking bill as US Senator."

    Obama has lied often enough that I'm past keeping track of them. Glad you have a scorecard, dipshit.
    ----------------------------
    "(Don't forget the record stock market rise in his first term either)."

    Dipshit, is cherry-picking paying enough to pay your cable bill?
    If so, the pay should be cut.

  • OldMexican||

    Re: Palin's Buttwipe,

    If the EPA is out of control why is energy production in the US set to put us #1 (oil) in the world by 2016 and completely independent a decade later?

    Stoopid Shriek is ignorant of new NESHAP regulations.

  • Sevo||

    "...He was to blame pressure from lobbyists for creating “risk-averse” civil servants..."

    Not sure I've ever seen a bureaucrat who wasn't "risk-averse"; pretty much included in the job description.
    So I'm not sure how lobbyists might "create" them.

  • Drave Robber||

    In Europe, lobbies often work through black PR. You cut someone's pork, and suddenly tabloids know everything about your private parts and such.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    ...Cameron was to outline plans to cut through red tape, according to extracts released by his Downing Street office.

    Noise, it is. Cameron's special relationship buddy across the pond made similar noise earlier in his term about ferreting out and eliminating unnecessary regulations. That, of course, was never done. It may have been the one promise Obama failed to keep, but it is a promise no statist can keep. What if one of the regulations they toss out would have been the one to bring about utopia?

  • PapayaSF||

    It may have been the one promise Obama failed to keep

    Are you joking? Off the top of my head: closing Guantanamo, cutting the deficit in half, transparent government, keeping your current health insurance/doctor, and posting bills online for 5 days before a vote.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Who would joke about campaign fidelity?

  • Sudden||

    Better Alt-Text:

    "DON'T TALK ABOUT THE DEREGULATION!!!!!"

  • nicole just can't even!||

    This afternoon I was listening to NPR, WBEZ actually, they do a program called The Afternoon Shift on local Chicago stuff. They had a couple aldermen on talking about budgeting, and whether we should have basically a Chicago-level version of the CBO. They want one, basically, but don't want to spend any of their own staff time/money on creating one.

    So they get into talking about how much time their staffs spend on "constituent services." I know congresspeeps do the same kind of thing, but it's really insane. One alderman told a story about how one of his staff members had recently spent hours and hours basically on the phone with the gas company trying to get gas service fixed for some lady who was having a problem with her gas line. The host was like, yeah, but don't you think it's kind of insane that the city council is spending time acting like 311? (That's the local info number.) And the aldermen are all kind of like "yeah, but there needs to be some kind of troubleshooting for people who need to deal with all this bureaucracy and run into problems."

    And I'm just sitting there thinking christ, do you think maybe the problem is...the bureaucracy? But all they can think of to solve it are new layers to help you navigate the red tape. So sad.

  • Sevo||

    From the Carbon Tax thread, concerning how to make the tax non-regressive:
    The Derider| 11.19.12 @ 12:49PM |#
    "You can with a negative income tax, like the earned income tax credit."

    See, you make one government program and when the problems show up, why you just make one more government program and when the problems show up, why you can ....
    Deidiot actually posted that. You can look it up.

  • PapayaSF||

    Of course. To a Democrat, all problems can be fixed by more government, even problems caused by government.

  • nicole just can't even!||

    And of course, this is Chicago, and good aldermen all know that "constituent services" are the only thing that keeps them in office. It's just how business is done. Shit, I'm an anarchist but I know that if someone is doing something in my neighborhood that pisses me off, I can probably call my alderman and have it dealt with (as long as the activity isn't already alderman-sanctioned, of course). And I've been tempted to do this on many occasions (the largest property-holder in my neighborhood is terrible about clearing sidewalks in winter). But it's ridiculous--a street was repaved recently and they changed the way the lines were drawn in a way that completely fucked up traffic patterns and was obviously just a stupid mistake, and I'm seriously sitting there like "maybe I should just call my guy, he'll probably have it fixed by tomorrow."

    But that is no fucking way to run a show!

  • Invisible Finger||

    And I've been tempted to do this on many occasions (the largest property-holder in my neighborhood is terrible about clearing sidewalks in winter)

    You're no anarchist. The sidewalks are owned by the city. If you think they should be cleared by the adjacent property owner, you are closer to a statist than you are to an anarchist.

  • waaminn||

    If it benefits corporate america, it will happen.

    www.Gotz-Anon.tk

  • PapayaSF||

    ^Flag as spam.

  • Cytotoxic||

    Cameron has been PM for years now. There is no reason to believe he will change his spineless statist ways. He is a pathetic piece of shit. This is just noise.

  • PapayaSF||

    Even statists can see the light at times, in limited ways.

  • ||

    Britain's bureaucrats must summon the spirit used to defeat Hitler's Germany in order to stimulate sustained growth in the country's stuttering economy, Prime Minister David Cameron was to say Monday.



    The contradiction here is that "the spirit used to defeat Hitler's Germany" was to impose full government control of allocation of resources and production.

    I'm not sure I would use WWII as an example of a time when society was more free and the economy less regulated.

  • tarran||

    Moreover, after the war ended, the British government kept much of the war rationing in place.

    Meat was almost impossible to get in England in the early 1950's.

  • nicole just can't even!||

    Ha, I was wondering if I was the only one who noticed that.

  • Ken Shultz||

    "U.K. Talks Deregulation While Americans Await More Red Tape"

    Barack Obama is an f'ing retard.

  • waaminn||

    That makes no sense at all dude, None.
    www.Goin-Anon.tk

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