Our New National Health Crisis: Teenage Boys Are Exercising

After all these years of media scare stories trying to terrify readers with worries about how kids are too sedentary and don't eat well, I suppose it's comforting to find a scare story about how teen boys are obsessed gym rats who consume lots of protein and very little fat. The New York Times delivers the goods:

Take David Abusheikh. At age 15, he started lifting weights for two hours a day, six days a week. Now that he is a senior at Fort Hamilton High School in Brooklyn, he has been adding protein bars and shakes to his diet to put on muscle without gaining fat.

“I didn’t used to be into supplements,” said Mr. Abusheikh, 18, who plans on a career in engineering, “but I wanted something that would help me get bigger a little faster.”

Pediatricians are starting to sound alarm bells about boys who take unhealthy measures to try to achieve Charles Atlas bodies that onlygenetics can truly confer. Whether it is long hours in the gym, allowances blown on expensive supplements or even risky experiments with illegal steroids, the price American boys are willing to pay for the perfect body appears to be on the rise.

Here's the new data to justify the article:

In a study to be published on Monday in the journal Pediatrics, more than 40 percent of boys in middle school and high school said they regularly exercised with the goal of increasing muscle mass. Thirty-eight percent said they used protein supplements, and nearly 6 percent said they had experimented with steroids.

Over all, 90 percent of the 1,307 boys in the survey — who lived in the Minneapolis-St. Paul area, but typify what doctors say is a national phenomenon — said they exercised at least occasionally to add muscle.

Yes, the same paper that recently warned that overweight teens who don't exercise were at increased risk of diabetes and likened teen obesity to smoking, and which in 2009 published a lengthy piece on how teen obesity led to early death (sample expert quote: "We know that health behaviors are established early on in life.") is now concerned that large numbers of teenage boys are exercising, and experimenting with diets that will help them build muscle. 

Why exactly should we be so worried? 

“The problem with supplements is they’re not regulated like drugs, so it’s very hard to know what’s in them,” said Dr. Shalender Bhasin, a professor of medicine at Boston University School of Medicine. Some contain anabolic steroids, and even high-quality protein supplements might be dangerous in large amounts, or if taken to replace meals, he said. “These things just haven’t been studied very well,” he said.

So the problem with supplements and other muscle-boosters is that the government has left them alone and worried nannies have not yet determined if there are problems with them? 

No public health scare story would be complete without someone to blame. The New York Times points to television shows like Jersey Shore and Girls, which apparently feature muscled men who inspire admirers to spend time in the gym hoping to achieve a similar look. But The New Republic's Alec MacGillis has a different villain in mind: buff Beltway politicians like Paul Ryan: 

Before we lay all the blame on The Situation, it's worth noting that the muscle-head mindset has infected a more rarefied realm of American life as well: Beltway Washington.

There is, for instance, the 2012 Republican nominee for vice president, who is famous for leading sessions of the rigorous P90X workout regimen on Capitol Hill, who posed as your standard frathouse gym rat before the election and who prompted nine times more Googling of "Paul Ryan Shirtless" than "Paul Ryan Budget." And yes, he is pumping up musclehead business with the broader public

Truly these are dark days when America's youth look to politicians for exercise tips. 

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  • Fist of Etiquette||

    In my day all we needed was a barrel chest and handlebar mustache to achieve the perfect look to win the admiration of our peers and the hearts of the lasses.

    Kids are too fat AND too ripped now? Is it possible that young people are not a single entity begging for a one size fits all dietary solution?

  • Auric Demonocles||

    Kids are too fat AND too ripped now? Is it possible that young people are not a single entity begging for a one size fits all dietary solution?

    No, that's clearly not it. They're simply all NFL linesmen.

  • Natural Remedy||

    Hahaha, or towel boys. ;)

  • hotsy totsy||

    Teenage boys are ingesting.....PROTEIN?? Where are their parents!

  • Rich||

    My brother and I went through this aspect of teenaging quite a few years ago. Weightlifting in the basement and drinking whatever the protein-shake stuff was at the time. Mom was rather upset about the protein business, because she thought that her cooking should have been sufficient for us.

  • Number 2||

    Consuming protein leads to premarital sex and drug use!

    Really. Statistics prove that EVERY teeanager who has had sex admits to have used foods containing protein.

  • ||

    It's protein day!

    http://www.hulu.com/watch/4103

  • ||

  • The Other Kevin||

    Whenever you see the phrase "on the rise", stop reading. That's code for "I don't have any research or facts, I am just basing this on my gut feeling, plus I'm trying to scare you."

  • Tulpa (LAOL-PA)||

    Unless you're reading the lyrics for Union of the Snake.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    Or Dr Horrible's Sing Along Blog

  • CZmacure||

    Exactly. It started with the smokers because they were an easy target, and now its on to the eaters. Its all junk science.

  • ||

    Wait. You need to EXPLAIN why a TEENAGE BOY would want to look like the kind of man that women are stereotypically attracted to?

  • Geoff Nathan||

    It's rare that a comment here makes me laugh out loud...

  • Auric Demonocles||

    Rare? I knew you had poor taste.

  • bmp1701||

    CRISIS NEWS: Researchers have determined that many teenage boys exercise their "biceps," which are muscles on the upper arm. A team from the Nebbish Medical Research Institute has produced research indicating that boys engage in "biceps" development due to its alleged correlation with attention from "girls." NMRI has requested further funds to study whether these "girls" exist and why boys are motivated by them.

  • ||

    In parallel, an additiona team from the Nebbish Department of Gender Studies has begun an investigation into whether supposed correlation between attention from girls and upper body development actually exists, or is just part of a vast capitalist conspiracy intended to sell protein supplements.

  • Coeus||

    Pediatricians are starting to sound alarm bells about boys who take unhealthy measures to try to achieve Charles Atlas bodies that onlygenetics can truly confer. Whether it is long hours in the gym, allowances blown on expensive supplements or even risky experiments with illegal steroids, the price American boys are willing to pay for the perfect body appears to be on the rise.

    Because they've been told that men and women are the same their whole lives. So of course they assume that women will like them if only they had a six pack. They like any woman in good shape, why wouldn't women be the same?

    This leads directly those roided up guys in the bar who still can't get any ass. They get pissed and start fucking with the nearest guy who's talking to someone that turned the down. That shit is becoming an epidemic.

    For the younger guys out there:

    Just don't be fat.

    Everything past that has less return value than good posture and an ability to bullshit on random topics.

  • T o n y||

    Just don't be fat.

    Everything past that has less return value than good posture and an ability to bullshit on random topics.

    +1

  • Coeus||

    Is that true for gay dudes as well? I'd have figured they'd put a much higher premium than women would on a idealized body. I mean, they are guys.

  • T o n y||

    I think your claim about diminishing returns is spot on even for gay men. Maybe not so for all generations, but this is the age of the hipster, and generally too-buff gay men are held to a degree of suspicion, and as objects of attraction are a niche. Not being fat is really all that matters.

  • Tulpa (LAOL-PA)||

    I dunno, I see a lotta bears with poodles on their shoulders walking down Walnut St at 3AM.

  • T o n y||

    Bears and cubs are another niche.

  • RyanXXX||

    This guy gets it. It certainly doesn't hurt to be toned (though there is a point where it becomes counter-productive), but it expecting it to work miracles is foolish.

    GAME is what matters with the young chicks these days

  • Belgian||

    This is a lie. A pretty face is what matters most, followed closely by a strong physique. Game is at best a distant third.

  • Coeus||

    A pretty face is what matters most

    Bullshit. While it is more attractive bait, it does nothing to set the hook. You've got those ass backwards.

    Unless you think that the good looking guy with the endless parade of chubby 5s is living the high life.

  • nicole just can't even!||

    I have it on good authority from GQ that the best way to seduce a(n intelligent) woman is to read to her. I can vouch for this.

    (The linked post is terrible, btw.)

  • Coeus||

    Jesus, that was like watching a cripple fight. I almost feel bad watching two mental midgets go at it.

  • nicole just can't even!||

    I wish I could read the original story because it sounds sort of lame but not at all terrible, but I think it's only in the print edition. And I feel like the linked post probably misunderstood it extensively...

    Anyway, if my boyfriend wanted to start reading me Updike, I would be all over that shit. Given, I am a weirdo.

  • Coeus||

    I don't know about regular novels, but I tried reading erotic lit to a girlfriend over skype last time I was in Malaysia. Did not work. I read too fast, even aloud. It went much better when I just made it up as I went.

    But none of this is part of "seduction". Which is why the GQ article author is also stupid. This is stuff for relationships.

  • nicole just can't even!||

    Right, I mean, I wasn't entirely serious because you're right, it's not seduction. That would be pretty weird seduction.

    I don't see erotic lit being hugely effective out loud. It's like taking all the spontaneity and personalization out of dirty-talking, which, why would you bother doing when you can just talk dirty?

  • Coeus||

    which, why would you bother doing when you can just talk dirty?

    Because people have fantasies that they don't want to talk about, but that they really like hearing about. It gives you a get out jail free card to broach the sickest shit and see what sticks.

    If you do that off the cuff, they start wandering just how twisted you are. And that's bad. Cause I'm really, really twisted.

  • nicole just can't even!||

    "The panties your mother laid out for you?"

    But yeah, I feel you. I'm a fail on the subject because I know next to nothing about seduction, only about relationships. It does take time for that stuff to become more acceptable. Of course, there are upsides to being really, really twisted--you might still have new crazy shit to bring up after years and years. Also, you get to have a lot of fun.

    The saddest thing of all is people who really don't like to talk dirty. My best girl-friend is like that. She's completely filthy in bed, but for some reason really down on vocalizing any of it during the act. (Obviously less so afterwards, since I know all about it.) I'm like...you're missing half the fun!

  • nicole just can't even!||

    Also, am I the only one that thinks GQ is a little gay? I mean, there's just so much nice clothes...and hot guys...

    would read again, I guess is all I'm saying

  • Coeus||

    I mean, there's just so much nice clothes...and hot guys...

    Never understood why Cosmo and GQ didn't just swap pictures.

  • nicole just can't even!||

    I think it was in this morning's AM links that someone linked to a Jezebel story that linked to some men's magazine story about like, weird things chicks do after sex or whatever, and it really was exactly like reading cosmo--same stock pictures of couples in bed together (SFW), same dippy-sounding copy, just swap "girl" for "guy" in almost any instance.

  • CE||

    No, that's pretty much the target market. Not that there's anything wrong with marketing to that segment.

  • Tulpa (LAOL-PA)||

    Works every time at the nursing home.

  • Coeus||

    Also like to note:

    Women do not have it harder here. It is easier to work on your physique than your personality. A lot easier. Which is why there are so many musclebound dumbasses at the bar now, pissed off about not getting any phone #s.

  • ||

    Just don't be fat.

    Everything past that has less return value than good posture and an ability to bullshit on random topics.

    Exercise helps you burn fat, helps you retain a good posture, and makes you able to do interesting activities (hiking, biking, sports, etc.) that you can bullshit about.

  • ||

    Also it feels good and gives you confidence...which also helps in the bullshitting department.

  • CE||

    Guess what? She's not interested in hearing you talk about hiking, biking and sports. She just wants to know you're not a fundy conservative, or worse, a heartless libertarian.

  • ||

    Just don't be fat.

    Well, you don't want to look like a strong out heroin junkie either.

    Just be healthy. Whatever your body type is, looking like a healthy adult male is attractive.

  • Coeus||

    Well, you don't want to look like a strong out heroin junkie either.

    Actually, from what I've seen, that look gets as much female admiration as a muscled look does.

  • nicole just can't even!||

    Yeah, that's a phenomenon I've never understood. I really don't want to date a guy who's skinnier than I am.

    I mean, it's almost a given that I'm going to be with someone with less body fat. So I'm going to be the soft, weak one, but I don't want to feel like I'm going around with an anorexic who makes me look like a fatty.

  • Coeus||

    I blame rock 'n roll for making the actual heroin addicts seem sexy.

  • nicole just can't even!||

    It is true that I might make an exception for 90s-era Johnny Depp...etc.

  • CE||

    Yeah, especially if you have tats and you're a musician.

  • Jordan||

    The New York Times points to television shows like Jersey Shore and Girls, which apparently feature muscled men who inspire admirers to spend time in the gym hoping to achieve a similar look.

    Wait, I thought Girls was supposed to be about empowering TEH WOMYNZ and breaking down stereotypes, or some other such horseshit. You're telling me it's really just a fantasy show where fat ugly chicks (aka modern feminists) get to sleep with the beefcake fratboy types they publicly loathe and secretly pine for? Well, I never.

  • ||

    The real stupidity of the idea that "Girls" is inspiring men to work out is that it assumes that any men watch the show.

  • Ted S.||

    Hell, I've never even heard of the show.

  • ||

    Long hours in the gym? He's 18 years old. He has like 80 hours of free time every week.

  • Aresen||

    Is there ANYTHING that the busybodies can't go into a moral panic about?

  • R C Dean||

    Moral panics?

  • Belgian||

    I have noticed that the number of moral panics has been on the rise for the past several years.

  • ||

    not ENOUGH PANIC!

  • ||

    I have noticed that the number of moral panics has been on the rise for the past several years decades.

    FIFY

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    Why oh why were my parents so cruel? They put a weight bench in the basement when I was 10. My dad used it. My brother used it. I used it. It was a multi-generational problem of co-dependency and addiction to an athletic, muscular physique. My brother developed muscles probably so he could be an IHSAA championship swimmer. I lifted because I thought it would improve my wrestling, and tuba handling (yes I was in the band). I didn't know that working out was bad for teenagers. No one told us! And the worst part? My dad is a pediatrician. That bastard!

  • RBS||

    Tuba handling? IS that what they called back then?

  • fish||

    If you were sufficiently endowed. Flute handling otherwise.

  • ||

    And the worst part? My dad is a pediatrician.

    I'd sue him. You got a case!

  • ||

    Man, I figured Warty would be on this thread like a Chicago cop on an 85 pound female bartender.

  • nicole just can't even!||

    I LOLed

  • ||

    even high-quality protein supplements might be dangerous in large amounts

    You know what else is dangerous in large amounts? FUCKING EVERYTHING.

    Ye Gods. There is absolutely nothing that will satisfy these statists beyond total domination of thought and form. YOU WILL ALL CONFORM.

    Somebody is in need of a serious ass-kicking. In large amounts.

  • The Late P Brooks||

    Pediatricians are starting to sound alarm bells about boys who take unhealthy measures to try to achieve Charles Atlas bodies that onlygenetics can truly confer.

    Good grief.

  • OldMexican||

    Pediatricians are starting to sound alarm bells about boys who take unhealthy measures to try to achieve Charles Atlas bodies that onlygenetics can truly confer.


    "We will run out of clients if people become too healthy!"

  • R C Dean||

    At one hospital board meeting, while we were rather glumly contemplating a slow month, one board member said we would just have to chalk it up to an unfortunate outbreak of good health.

  • hotsy totsy||

    You know who was a 90 pound teenage weakling, started working out, and got a Charles Atlas body (that "onlygenetics" can truly confer.)? Charles Atlas.

  • A Serious Man||

    You know who else wanted a genearation of physically fit young men?

  • ||

    Charles Nelson Reilly?

  • A Serious Man||

    +1 Match Game

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

  • bmp1701||

    The Village People?

  • T o n y||

    The Boy Scouts, the Catholic Church, college football programs, the ancient Greeks?

  • Tulpa (LAOL-PA)||

    Scwhartz Reneger?

  • OldMexican||

    You know who else wanted a genearation of physically fit young men?


    Dr. Eric Vornoff?

    Oh, wait - that was a race of atomic supermen, not fit young men. My mistake.

  • Coeus||

    You know who else wanted a genearation of physically fit young men?

    L. Ron Hubbard?

  • ||

    C'mon, Atlas was sucking it in the whole time.

  • ||

    Charles Atlas Shrugged

  • ||

    After sand was kicked in his face.

  • ||

    I will add this: kids have tons of good information at their disposal today. Twnety years ago, when I hit the high school gym, no one had any idea what to do. We just followed whatever Program of the Month the assistant football coaches put up, or we did whatever the guy with the biggest arms did. No one had any idea.

    With sites like Bodybuilding.com, T-Nation, Starting Strength, and so on, some 15 year old can absorb thousands of man-years of experience for free. Your 17 year-old gym rat is a walking encyclopedia of supplements: what they do, how they work, how much is useful, how to time them, etc. I would have killed for that information 20 years ago.

  • C. S. P. Schofield||

    Wait! Teenage boys are doing weird rituals to attract the attention of the opposite sex, and also eating strange foodstuffs that might not be approved of by their elders?!?

    And this is different from every other generation of teenage boys in recorded human history how, exactly?

    I am forcefully reminded of a 'public service' announcement about teenage drug use that was getting heavy airplay about a decade back. It claimed to be telling parents the signs that their child might be trying illegal drugs. Supposed symptoms included mood-swings, changing the friends they hang out with, sudden facial flushes, and a bunch of similar stuff that made me think "Do they realize that they just described adolescence?".

  • Tulpa (LAOL-PA)||

    Next thing you know they'll be tweeting pictures of their underwar stuffed with a cucumber.

  • Tulpa (LAOL-PA)||

  • buybuydandavis||

    "The problem with supplements is they’re not regulated like drugs"

    Let me generalize for liberal writers. "The problem with ___ is it's not regulated enough." That's the problem with everything - not enough regulated enough.

  • OldMexican||

    "The problem with supplements is they're not regulated like drugs, so it's very hard to know what's in them profit from them, as we do with highy-regulated drugs," said is what Dr. Shalender Bhashin was really saying.

  • ||

    Sorry I was late, I was busy squatting and power cleaning.

    Now, on the topic: Kids these days are weak little twinks who are obsessed with having six-pack abs and wouldn't know strength if it ripped off their nuts. I can't tell you how many of the little pussies I see who think they're strong because they can do bounced, partner assisted, half range of motion bench presses with 225.

    he has been adding protein bars and shakes to his diet to put on muscle without gaining fat.

    THAT IS NOT HOW FUCKING ANABOLISM WORKS YOU LITTLE GODDAMN QUEER! DRINK SOME FUCKING MILK AND WORRY ABOUT SEEING YOUR ABZZZ AFTER YOU CAN SQUAT 500, PUSSY!

  • ||

    That was exactly what this thread needed.

  • Generic Stranger||

    Now, on the topic: Kids these days are weak little twinks who are obsessed with having six-pack abs and wouldn't know strength if it ripped off their nuts. I can't tell you how many of the little pussies I see who think they're strong because they can do bounced, partner assisted, half range of motion bench presses with 225.

    LOL. I don't weight lift any more (I really should start again) but I used to do it in high school. I had my max bench press up to around 260 (no assist, full down and up) at one point. I drunk protein shakes, but I didn't do anything other than that.

    I was kind of a fatass (well, still am), though, so some stupid kids would assume I was also weak. Couple of them, who were on my football team (and really should have known better) thought they could intimidate me by bragging about their 195 maxes (at the time I was doing sets of 205). It failed...spectacularly. Those two were known for juicing, too, which made it even more pathetic.

  • ||

    bench press is a poor indicator of strength. first of all, it's primarily an upper body exercise, second of all, unless it's done in a contest, it varies widely (was there a pause), etc.
    what was your DEADLIFT?

    that's a much better one lift metric

  • Generic Stranger||

    somewhere around 350 or 400. Perhaps higher. I didn't really focus on my legs that much (mostly because my hamstrings reacted weirdly to weight lifting; they'd hurt like I pulled them immediately after doing squats or leg curls, but then they'd stop hurting after an hour or two, especially if I ran afterwords, and no one could tell me why), so I never maxed out on them.

    Also remember I was 16 at the time. you have...different priorities at that stage.

  • ||

    there's part of your problem if you think of the deadlift as a LEG exercise. it's a whole body exercise.

    i agree about the 16 thang. its part of why i wank on bench so much , because in american 16 yr olds are obsessed with bench and curls, and rarely doing squats, deadlifts, overhead presses which would lead to much better development and strength

  • Generic Stranger||

    Maybe what you call deadlifts and what I call deadlifts are different things (which wouldn't surprise me; it was a high school gym with either the football, wrestling, or baseball coach as the "trainer", depending on the time of year and whether you were doing it as a class or after school).

    We had basically one of these (except without the raised D handles) that we'd load up and then lift until our legs straightened out, then we'd set it back down. It was pretty much all leg muscles, with your arms not doing very much except holding onto the bar.

  • ||

    deadlifts are a well defined and understood exercse/movement. they are one of the three movements contested in the sport of powerlifting

    go to youtbue and search for "deadlift"

    that's a deadlift. two styles: sumo and conventional

    not controversial as to what is a deadlift

    and they use an enormous variety of muscles, hardly just a leg exercise

    the back is taxed substantially - especially the lats, spinal erectors, rhomboids

  • Generic Stranger||

    Our instructors were paranoid about back injures, so they had us not use the back at all in those (for the same reason, we never used boxes on squats; my football coach watched a guy break his back using one of those). It was pretty much all thigh muscles, like a leg press except you're standing up instead of using a machine.

  • ||

    i'm sorry to hear that. your instructors sound kind of whack. :(

  • ||

    IF THE BAR AINT BENDING, YER JUST PRETENDING!

  • ||

    It's also worth noting that these little twinks' perceptions of what a man should look like have been vastly skewed by steroids. This is about as huge as it's possible to be without drugs, and that looks nothing like what you'll see in any gay muscle magazine since the 60s.

  • ||

    I honestly never got why I'm supposed to want to look like a deformed sphere with veins and a head sticking out of it that can't even wipe it's own ass.

  • Tulpa (LAOL-PA)||

    Because it's what women want. Or have you been getting advice from Jezebel.

  • ||

    Exactly. The masculine ideal is to look like me.

  • ||

    That looks like a centaur gone wrong.

  • ||

    Don't worry, Jimbo. A few more donkey calf raises, and your legs will be almost that swole.

  • ||

    I'm thankful that I can't watch youtube at work.

    Are you all into the "core" stuff that people are pushing now? I have a kettlebell set and a very basic weight set that mostly collects dust, but I'm planning on trying to make it a regular part of my day.

  • nicole just can't even!||

    That video is actually hilarious. Also gross, but more hilarious. Probably not intentionally so.

  • ||

    I play with kettlebells a little bit, mostly to warm up. But, fuck, if you want a strong "core", squat. It takes a strong core to support 405 pounds on your shoulders.

  • ||

    I was more asking your opinion on the core stuff being just a fad, or if it's really the best way to work out.

  • ||

    Kettlebells are nice and you can do useful stuff with them, but most other "core" shit is a fad and a waste of time. If you want to play with it and that weight set, then swing that kettlebell, squat, and press overhead. If it was good enough for the old timers, it's good enough for you.

  • ||

    If it was good enough for the old timers, it's good enough for you.

    I hope you shit in a hold in your backyard and only hunt with a piece of flint tied to a stick.

  • Rhywun||

    It's go time!

  • ||

    CLASSIC weighttraining exercises will work your core plenty

    you will get more than enough core work from properly done (ass to grass) deep squats, overhead (standing) press, and deadlifts

    mebbe throw in some push presses and jerks for fun

  • nicole just can't even!||

    Since we're all talking about workouts, I figure it's as good a time as any to ask. I have super little experience with any kind of strength training, but I'm trying to do a little (a LITTLE). Anyway, squats specifically are something I'm really drawn to, but I feel like I'm really missing something about balance. I'm supposed to put my weight on my heels, but like...am I just clumsy, too weak in the core, etc., or what, because it's almost impossibly hard--not the squatting itself, but the balancing.

    I got a balance ball recently and if I do the thing where you squat with the ball between your back and a wall, I can do an awesome job. Is there some secret to balancing with all your weight on your heels without falling on your ass? What am I not getting?

  • ||

    squats will expose the weak point in the group of muscles that you use to perform the movement.

    it's good you are drawn to squats. that's the first step. they are THE movement, the "fundamental position in sport" to quote medveyev.

    your weight should be on the rear portion of your foot, that is correct.

    there is no "secret". it's about being flexible enough , strong enough, and having the balance to complete the movement. the ball/wall squats don't require you to balance.

    essentially, during a squat, the bar must remain over a "base of support". too far forwards or backwards and you topple. as the weight gets heavier, the base become smaller. i can squat 135 lbs with the bar literally over my the front of my toes. no change doing that with 455, where i need to be right in about a 2" range for the lift to balance.

    i suggest practice with light weight.

    for "perfect squat", look at the olympic style weigtlifters. we, as a group, perform high bar, ass to grass squats, that provide the most benefit. powerlifters don't squat like us because it's easier to squat more weight using different techniques, but you are squatting for benefits to physique and strength, not to have the highest total in a contest

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rl3Vldo7x4c

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?N.....=endscreen

  • nicole just can't even!||

    I guess what I mean by "secret" is that it doesn't seem there is enough weight toward the front of my body for it to even make sense, but thanks for the advice, I will keep trying. It gets easier with practice but the general idea of like "my weight is on my heels, and I'm sitting my ass toward the floor, so...we're all going backwards here" is kind of hard to get over.

  • ||

    it's hard to coach over the internet.

    for a site with a lot of useful information in the weightlifting discussion, try...

    http://www.pendlayforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=4

    with the squat, think more about pushing the ground away with the feet versus lifting the bar up. sounds weird, but it works

    another "trick" is to curl your toes UPWARD prior to descending in the squat. keeps you over the rear of the foot.

  • hotsy totsy||

    If you want a strong core, try Pilates. You will then have more success supporting 405 pounds on your shoulders.

  • ||

    If you want a strong core, try Pilates. You will then have more success supporting 405 pounds on your shoulders.

    HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    nicole, the problem with your squat is that you're not used to shitting in a hole in the ground. If you imagine that you want to shit on the ground and not on your feet, correct form follows naturally. If you want better help, email me and I'll help you through it.

  • nicole just can't even!||

    HAHA I may take you up on that. Actually it reminds me of nothing more than back in my wild days when I would have to pee outside. That really sucked.

  • Coeus||

    If you imagine that you want to shit on the ground and not on your feet, correct form follows naturally.

    That is the best explanation of proper form I have ever heard. Vulgar and succinct.

  • nicole just can't even!||

    Yeah I just tried it and it really worked too.

    Although on the second one I still want to step back a little when I'm coming back up.

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    The second tip is to stand like a whore. Stick your ass out at the wall behind you, show your tits to the wall in front of you, and turn your toes out a little bit and concentrate on spreading your knees out. Think about a stripper taking a shit.

  • nicole just can't even!||

    Why do these absurd tips actually work? Warty, you are a truly interesting character.

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    I just want to give the world the gift of women who squat. The world needs more giant, firm, fine asses.

  • nicole just can't even!||

    I mean, it makes perfect sense, considering this is the goal. Well, probably not that.

    But wait, not too many more--one more. ;)

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    many have opined this is why asian lifters (chinese specifically) are such good weightlifters and squatters

    they squat this way from a young age

  • Auric Demonocles||

    You know who that really looks like? Football players in the TE or LB mold.

  • waaminn||

    I dont think palying video games counts as exsercising!

    www.Gotz-Anon.tk

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    If this twinky little fuck is going to have body dysmorphia, he should at least be aspiring to look more like this than like this. I mean, come on, little dickhead. I'm embarrassed for him.

  • ||

    Oops, forgot the quote I'm responding to.

    Alonso started lifting weights at 15 because he wanted to get bigger for soccer, “but I was also just trying to gain weight in general,” he said. Cristiano Ronaldo, the Portuguese soccer player, is the man with the body he would like to have, he said.
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    a soccer player? hardly the mesomorphic ideal i would imagine they'd be wanking about.

    soccer players look like semi-starved cardio bunnies.

    granted, i say that after 15 yrs strength training. back when i WAS a cardio bunny (5k's, surfing, etc.) soccer players didn't look that way.

    depends on your perspective/frame of reference

  • nicole just can't even!||

    Well, as a lady I can tell you that soccer players have the sexiest legs ever. And when you watch a game, at halftime you get to watch them have those legs massaged. Oh hell yeah.

  • ||

    :l

    soccer players DO have good leg development

    fwiw, tara knott, who won a gold medal in the first olympics to feature weightlifting for women, was a former soccer player iirc

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnwWAv7-b14

  • nicole just can't even!||

    Bicyclists too. Don't want to give short shrift to my own man, after all, haha.

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    yea, i rode a little in college, and it did wonders for my skinny surfer legs (tm)

  • ||

    pisarenko was a legend. my coach said he was one of the scariest looking individuals he has ever seen in the weight room. the guy could have had a great career as a mafia enforcer

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    Anabolic steroids pose a special danger to developing bodies, Dr. Bhasin said. Steroids “stop testosterone production in men,” he said, leading to terrible withdrawal problems when still-growing boys try to stop taking them.

    This is true enough, and it'swhy I've never gone to the Dark Side.

    Still, the constant association of steroids with elite athletes like Lance Armstrong and Barry Bonds perpetuates the notion that they can be managed successfully.

    This is stupid. Of course they can be managed successfully. You think Arnold's not managing? You think Louie Simmons isn't managing?

    And finally, this is incredibly stupid.

    Some boys want to be stronger for sports, Mr. Rivera said, but others “want to change their body type.”

    They want to change themselves? THE HORROR

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    AAS won't suppress testosterone levels much, if at all, if proper ancillaries are used - such as HCG during cycle, and estrogen levels are monitored

  • CE||

    It's not about impressing the girls with your muscles, it's about making the football team, and hopefully earning a college scholarship to play football, and impressing the girls that way.

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    alpha male ILIN!!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdBanFCD7C4

    not a lot of beach showy muscles, just unadulterated explosive power (note lack of pectoral development for instance. otoh, the guy has spinal erectors like you wouldn't believe)

  • Coeus||

    not a lot of beach showy muscles, just unadulterated explosive power (note lack of pectoral development for instance.

    Enough with this already. I had a job a few years back which definitely required large pectoral muscles (offshore roustabout). Besides, how is muscle developed by lifting metal plates connected by a metal bar above your head any more valid than muscle developed by lifting that same contraption up from a supine position?

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    generally speaking, when one looks at people who develop prodigious strength through "real world " application e.g. logger, steelworker, longshoremen, etc. they tend to look a LOT more like olympic lifters (strong cores WITHOUT a bodybuilder'esque v-taper usually), "overdeveloped" erectors and posterior chain, forearms, etc.

    it is very rare, in real world applications where the rubber hits the road, where one will be lifting from a supine position

    it is FAR FAR more common to be lifting heavy objects from the ground, or from the shoulder to overhead

    NEITHER emphasize beach muscles (pecs).

    i am being somewhat derisive and sarcastic, but there is underlying truth to the notion that "functionally strong:" athletes differ to a large extent from athletes who go for showy physiques.

    in the gym, we see this most often with q-tip syndrome, guys who have legs that look like they should be hanging out of a nest, overdeveloped chest, underdeveloped rhomboids and back i n general, and underdeveloped hip complex/core.

  • Coeus||

    it is FAR FAR more common to be lifting heavy objects from the ground, or from the shoulder to overhead

    Agree with the first part, strongly disagree with the second. Lifting above your head has been expressly forbidden in any job I've had which required a large amount of physical strength.

    Try pulling and pushing bundles of drill pipe into place in their stacks on the deck for days at a time, then tell me how useless strong pectoral muscles are.

    in the gym, we see this most often with q-tip syndrome, guys who have legs that look like they should be hanging out of a nest, overdeveloped chest, underdeveloped rhomboids and back i n general, and underdeveloped hip complex/core.

    I agree, but I think your distaste for pectoral muscles is misplaced.

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    like i said, it's partially an overreaction against the american obsession with bench press

    you can be damn strong without strong bench pressing muscles, but you can't be thought of as strong if you can't lift shit off the ground.

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    Nothing wrong with benching. Just don't *only* bench.

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    yea, i agree. i naturally wank about benching because people in america overemphasize it, and when you speak to nonweightlifters it's the first thing you get asked - "dood, you are buffed. how much do you bench?"

    it's also SO dependent on judging criteria. some guys will bounce the bar off their sternum with their buddy deadlifting it from a position standing over them and claim they "benched " it

    for MY SPORT, many coaches strongyl believe bench is detrimental to performance. others, the poles for example disagree

    but i of course am being a contrarian and overemphasizing the point. nothing wrong with bench is true. it's just also true that americans tend to have an obsession with it to the extent they develop serious muscle imbalances even to the point of moving their shoulder girdle foward. they'd be way wayu way way better off overhead pressing. OHP carries over into bench, but is far more taxing as to proprioception, balance, and works the entire body.

  • Coeus||

    Nothing wrong with benching. Just don't *only* bench.

    Personally, I only use weights for certain upper shoulder muscles. Everything else is body weight exercises. I've had a lot of injuries to connective tissues over the years, and my cartilage is criminally thin to due genetics (arthritis since 13). The supplements help less and less as the years go by. Still manage to have a v-taper, but without those underdeveoped back muscles dunphy was talking about.

    I used to just punish myself in the weight-room, and take a ton of ibuprofen. Then I read about Michael Irvin's workout routine. Until then, I had no idea I could get the same results without the weights.

    On a related note, the perfect pushup paddles are the best workout tool ever. I always take a travel version when working overseas.

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    there is a fair bit of controversy as to ibuprofen and NSAIDS in general. the argument is that they suppress the irritant reaction that the workout creates in the first place. iow, counteproductive to development.

    regardless, my point is that many very very strong athletes don't have a v-taper. v-taper is about LOOKING a certain way, not BEING a certain way - strong

    you will not find a strength athlete who does not have substantial spinal erector, core,e tc. strength. you will often see them with minimal pec development

    ilin being a good example

    klokov otoh, benches and has great pecs!

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    this is tempting me to post a photo of my traps, possibly my best developed muscle, due to my style in the clean and snatch it's heavily taxed

  • ||

    Start squatting deep as fuck with a barbell. Your knees will hurt much less. Yes, I'm very serious.

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    yup. and takes all the shear force off the knee tendons if you DEEP squat and reverse directions from a low position vs. the "power curtsy" shallow squats people like to call squats

    this is also why it's more useful to ask somebody how much they deadlift vs. bench. deadlift is a deadlift, but many people will do a 1/4 squat/power curtsy and claim they squat that weight

    um, no

    fwiw, some of the powerlifting orgs even let pass some ridiculously shallow squats imo

    APF for example

  • Coeus||

    Start squatting deep as fuck with a barbell.

    So, you mean starting and ending the set with the bar on the safety stops instead of the rack?

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    no. i am sure he means starting with the bar on the rack but to START SQUATTING taken the two words together, like START RUNNING with the gazelles.

    he doesn't mean start at the bottom POSITION, eh means attain a deep bottom position , to STARt lifting that way

    fwiw, as an accessory exercise you can do squats where you start from the bottom as mentioned above. it takes the stretch reflex out of the 1st rep. or you can deadlift, which by its nature does the same thing

    fwiw, we (at my training center) don't use safety stops, but we have bumper plates

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    Dunphy is correct. Squat in the manner of one of these fine gentlemen.

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    hmmm... i'd actually call wendler's squat to be BARELY parallel, if that.

    mendes squat is awesome

    btw, i got to lift at broz' gym several months ago on a vegas trip. pretty cool

    he's a very cool guy. (broz, who was mendes' coach).

    broz's top lifter in the 94's rob adell quit in a bit of controversy, and people were making some fucked up accusations, and i'd just like to say, i stand behind broz, as a great coach and a good guy

  • ||

    Maybe, maybe not. The camera angle is shitty, but the point is to squat.

    I met Wendler once. He is also awesome, and his beard is even better in person.

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    im looking at it from a WLer angle, so i'm not generous with depth.

    obviously, he's strong as fuck either way

  • ||

    The point is to not squat like this (skip to 2:10).

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    one of the best physiques you will see in a male athlete

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KggMXR4B3A

    go to around 2:20.

    and he has plenty o' pecs fwiw, and everything else. guy is a frigging adonis

  • ||

    Too bad he went off his cycle too late...oops, I mean, hurt his back, so bad that he couldn't compete in London.

  • ||

    lol, exactly. we were totally joking about this in the gym the other day, about his (cough cough) "injury"

  • nicole just can't even!||

    So, are videos like this the dude/weightlifter equivalent of thinspo? Because that would be kind of cool.

  • ||

    More or less. It's not gay to be totally gay for Dimitri Klokov. I'm more a Mischa man, myself.

  • ||

    i;m a total slut and gay as hell for both of them. when i saw the word "mischa" i already knew who it was going to be. been watching that guy's videos for ages. a classic TRUE all around strength athlete. probably the best in the world right now in briding "strongman" type events, powerlifting events, and weightlifting events and excelling at all

    and juiced to the GILLS

  • nicole just can't even!||

    Oh not gay at all. I'm always so happy when I see that the internet provides these needs for all sorts. Thank heavens HM was here to show me so many excellent twerking videos.

  • ||

    my traps! booya! kind of egotistical, but wth it's a weights thread

    http://i1311.photobucket.com/a...../traps.jpg

  • Franklin Harris||

    I don't worry about these teens' health. I do worry that they'll grow up to be a generation of douchebags.

  • SKR||

    Wow, that was pretty impressive how they worked in a pop culture reference from the fucking 1930s to monger some fear in 2012 as though it's novel, and all without any sense of irony. I mean what teenager even knows who Charles Atlas was? The guy was born in the fucking 19th century fer chissakes.

  • Rene||

    A man was going to the house of some rich person. As he went along the road, he saw a box of good apples at the side of the road. He said, "I do not want to eat those apples; for the rich man will give me much food; Rune Scape Gold he will give me very nice food to eat." Then he took the apples and threw them away into the dust. He went on and came to a river. The river had become very big; so he could not go over it. He waited for some time; then he said, "I cannot go to the rich man's house today, Buy Runescape Gold Sale for I cannot get over the river." He began to go home. He had eaten no food that day. He began to want food. He came to the apples, and he was glad to take them out of the dust and eat them.

  • ||

    I agree that now-a-days kids are too fat because they are not eating right.But where are the parents.Are they not responsible for regulating their diet.eating what is cooked should be sufficient enough for a child or rather a teenager,than pump proteins.Just being healthy,whatever your body type does a lot good than going to the gym to build biceps at such a tender age.

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