Three Reasons to End Obamacare Before It Begins!

 

We're just days away from the Supreme Court's monumental ruling on The Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare. As we wait on the high court's final ruling, it's a good time to review just why the law is a bad idea from just about every possible angle. "3 Reasons to End Obamacare Before it Begins" was produced by Meredith Bragg and Nick Gillespie and originally ran on March 25, 2012. Here's the original text for the release:

As the legality of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act - a.k.a. ObamaCare - goes before the highest court in the land, here are three reasons to chuck the whole program even before it gets underway.

1. It Represents the End of Limited Government. The Supreme Court will issue its verdict later this spring of course, but there's no question that if the government can force you to do something simply because you exist and draw breath,  then the American experiment in limited government is over and done with. Whether it's the mandating of eating broccoli or buying insurance, a government that can make you do whatever it wants just ain't in the American grain.

2. Its Price Tag is Already Ballooning. The latest government estimate of cost tells us what we already knew. Health-care reform is going to cost us a lot more than the arm and the leg it's supposed to save us. The Congressional Budget Office is now saying that the first full decade of Obamacare is going to cost about $1.8 trillion , or double the original estimate used to sell the program.

3. Obamacare Won't Make Us Healthier. Health insurance isn't the same thing as health. Most of us might end up paying more for health care under the new law, but there's precious little evidence that coverage itself leads to lower medical costs. A 1993 study by the RAND Corporation found that "for the average person, there were no substantial benefits from free care ." Not smoking, eating moderately, and not boozing it up provide greater health benefits than any low-deductible, low-co-pay insurance plan.

Produced by Meredith Bragg; written by Nick Gillespie, who also narrates.

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  • Brutus||

    The most important reason was omitted: Not only will the Central State have usurped the power limitless power to tell you what to do in every instance, it will also have seized the rationale for doing so.

  • Ben the Duck||

    It Represents the End of Limited Government.

    "Feature, Not Bug."

    -- any random "progressive"

  • -Umbriel-||

    Except that any random progressive thinks government isn't limited to begin with.

  • jacob the barbarian||

    I think 'Limited Government' ended some time ago. Obamacare just makes it permanent.

  • ||

    Number 1 is the only one that matters. I hope Roberts and Scalia write the most virtolic and devastating attack on the Commerce Clause and Wickard in judicial history. Kill it, put its head on a spike, burn the coprse, then piss on the ashes.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    Ah, the Joffrey Baratheon treatment.

  • Cavpitalist||

    Joffrey Lannister.

  • Joe R.||

    I think you're counting on the wrong two justices for that.

  • WWNGD?||

    YOU JUST HATE POOR PEOPLE!!!

  • Agammamon||

    That *is* true, doens't make any of my objections to Obamacare illegitimate though!

  • sloopyinca||

  • Virginian||

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIfbghHdG1s

    Those are our best sloopy. Even if the Nazgul uphold this terrible law, even when the night is darkest, there are things worth fighting for.

  • ||

    the Nazgul! + infinity!

    I haven't heard that before. Yours or am I living under a rock?

  • BakedPenguin||

    hamitonian's

  • Virginian||

    Yeah I can't take credit for that. It's a new HampersandR meme. Because we just don't have enough of those.

  • JGut||

    Amen! (Just found your exchange with Maddow and Maher...I hope they watch their replies.)

  • Bee Tagger||

    On Vacation and Sick? A Court Says Take Another

    For most Europeans, almost nothing is more prized than their four to six weeks of guaranteed annual vacation leave. But it was not clear just how sacrosanct that time off was until Thursday, when Europe’s highest court ruled that workers who happened to get sick on vacation were legally entitled to take another vacation.

    And do my eyes deceive me? Do I see the New York Times reporter taking a shot at this absurdity at the end of the report?

    The ruling does not apply to the 25 percent of the Spanish labor force that is currently unemployed.
  • Brutus||

    Lots more Spaniards are going to get long, lazy "vacations" soon. Greeks, Italians, Portuguese, French, too. Count on it.

  • Killazontherun||

    Just another deceptive bourgeoisie tactic to make it look like the courts and the politicians are not wholly owned by the capitalist. If they really loved us they would not allow the wage slavery exploitation of the people that is euphemistically referred to as 'employment' to occur in the first place.

  • jacob the barbarian||

    OK. This is too good to be a troll. Tell me you are waxing sarcastic.

  • Killazontherun||

    I may have missed a few forty eight hour news cycles here and there, but has Team Blue gotten that bad? Did I really need a /sarc tag?

  • Agammamon||

    Remember "Occupy Wallstreet" and "We are the 99%"? So yes, you need a /sarc tag on that shit - its too close to their party line.

  • Killazontherun||

    Team Blue, the original Team Red.

  • Brutus||

    Team Blue, the original Team Red.

    Okay, I'm stealing that. Perfect.

  • Killazontherun||

    Let me experiment a bit. Would this need a /sarc tag?

    Corporations are people? Next you're going to tell me that families are people.

  • ||

    In a world where statements like "FDR saved us from the Great Depression" are believed by millions, everything needs a /sarc tag.

  • ||

    I have read enough of your posts that I didnt need the /sarc tag Killaz.
    However, the criticism is valid. Yes, team blue has gotten that bad and worse.

  • ||

    Are unions people?

    How about environmentalist groups?

    I think they are, but corporations definitely ARE NOT! The difference is obvious.

  • The Immaculate Trouser||

    And they wonder why productivity rates in Europe are so low.

  • sloopyinca||

    No they don't. They are perfectly happy with the rate of productivity in Europe. They're just pissed at the Chinese, Indians and everybody southeast of them that is more productive.

  • Sevo||

    Darn them! Why can't they slow down!

  • ||

    Nick kicked ass on Real Time about the Fast and Furious scandal. Maddow came off as the mendacious partisan hack she is and I loved how Nick got under her skin when he called her out on that. Maher had to scramble to defend Maddow because of it.

  • Jerry on the road||

    And then she didn't want to take a position on Romneycare. Because apparently she wasn't in the "taking positions" business. Ahem.

  • ||

    "Not smoking, eating moderately, and not boozing it up provide greater health benefits than any low-deductible, low-co-pay insurance plan."

    When I read that, it reminded me that it is time to make drinks. :)

  • Pi Guy||

    And smoke 'em if you've got 'em, boys!

  • Rhywun||

    I just thought it was a list of items that are going to be "addressed" in ObamaCare Phase II.

  • Sevo||

    Suthenboy|6.23.12 @ 7:37PM|#
    "Not smoking, eating moderately, and not boozing it up provide greater health benefits than any low-deductible, low-co-pay insurance plan."

    Dying at age 30 would do the same. And if you followed those rules, you may as well.

  • Libertardian||

    The individual mandate is such a socialist grab for power that it came from the Heritage Foundation. "Reason", my ass.

  • Brutus||

    As Hayek said, "Socialists of all parties."

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Hey. 'tard, the Heritage Foundation is as capable of dumbfuckery as any liberal think-tank.

    Hint.

  • Libertardian||

    Cato advocated mandates, too, dipshit: http://www.cato.org/publicatio.....-lesson-us

    The first sentence, "America's Social Security system will go bust in 2010," is particularly hilarious.

  • Sevo||

    Libertardian|6.23.12 @ 9:44PM|#
    ..."The first sentence, "America's Social Security system will go bust in 2010," is particularly hilarious."

    Yep, it's been propped up enough to last a bit longer:
    "Social Security’s retirement and disability programs have enough funds to cover the next 20 years, but that could change come 2033."
    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/po.....-expected/
    I'll bet you're ignorant enough to think that's great news.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Yes, and even CATO can make mistakes, you stupid cunt.

  • califernian||

    well this isn't a cato-worshiping site. it's a libertarian site. If a 'libertarian' thought-leader goes rogue, we won't follow blindly. Yes, we are the opposite of statist bootlicking sheep like yourself.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    His mom makes him lick her boots?

  • ||

    Cato advocated mandates? You stupid fuck, that's José Piñera describing how privatized Social Security is better.

  • Mr Whipple||

    The problem with the Chilean system is that investment companies must be "approved" by the government. There is an artificial scarcity built into the system.

  • not-a-rap-fan||

    My son is 25 years old and he got out of the Marines two years ago. Some things--not all--the VA handles. Because of the Affordable Care Act, he has been covered for all those things the VA can't/won't. Those who tin the Affordable Care Act should be discarded are short-sighted to say the least.

    I have one working kidney. I've had breast cancer. I have a fake ACL ligament. I have had shoulder reconstruction. I have asthma and migraines. Under the old rules, finding insurance would not in all likelihood be possible because of all my pre-existing conditions. The Affordable Care Act changes all that.

    I would prefer universal health care. Until that happens I will support the Affordable Care Act because it's better than what we had.

  • sloopyinca||

    I have one working kidney. I've had breast cancer. I have a fake ACL ligament. I have had shoulder reconstruction. I have asthma and migraines. Under the old rules, finding insurance would not in all likelihood be possible because of all my pre-existing conditions. The Affordable Care Act changes all that.

    And what do those things have to do with me or the people you happen to work with? Why should I, or your coworkers, be forced into a group with someone that is unhealthy and will skew the cost/patient up when I, or they, haven't been to the doctor in years? Why should their premiums be dramatically increased because of you? Why are their choices limited because of you? If health care was not pooled, healthy people like me wouldn't have their rates jacked because unhealthy people like you are stuck in groups with them.

    I like the fact that you are a fan of the PPACA because it is a good thing for you. The fact that it comes on the backs of other taxpayers and is carried out under threat of force by the government doesn't seem to faze you at all. Thanks a lot, you fucking leech.

    TL;DR? Fuck off, slaver.

  • Libertardian||

    This is why people hate libertarians. I hope you get ebola tomorrow. Or at least a toothache. And with no insurance, you'll be paying for it all out of pocket. Good luck with that.

  • califernian||

    Hahah. He has insurance dumbass. Like every responsible person before a condition strikes.

  • Elphie||

    I don't have insurance. As poor as I am right now, I've decided it's just not worth the cost. Of course, I'm also prepared to take responsibility for any medical costs I might face if something bad happens.

    I was thinking catastrophic insurance might be a good idea, but it seems ObamaCare, in addition to its other wonders, has mandated a lot of plainly non-catastrophic coverage to be included in so-called catastrophic coverage plans. But I'm sure this won't drive up their prices and make them even less viable for poor people like me. Thanks, Obama! You're really looking out for us poor people.

  • Libertardian||

    ObamaCare would get you covered, moron. Do people even bother to learn about the stuff they claim to be against? Jesus fucking Christ, people.

  • Elphie||

    How exactly would I be covered? Please explain it to me. And does it do it in a way that doesn't involve taking taxpayer money? Because I'd rather, you know, buy it myself in a market that isn't distorted beyond recognition by a clusterfuck of government regulations.

  • Sevo||

    Libertardian|6.23.12 @ 9:46PM|#
    "This is why people hate libertarians..."
    You're the reason folks with brains despise socialists.
    I hope you get raped with a rusty chain saw.

  • Libertardian||

    At least I don't call people "socialists". How pathetic of a paranoid fuck do you have to be to pull that old chestnut out? Well, now we know.

  • Sevo||

    Libertardian|6.23.12 @ 10:16PM|#
    "At least I don't call people "socialists"."

    Of course not! You love the concept.
    Oh, and if you don't like being called something, why don't be that thing.

  • Libertardian||

    Jesus, you're mentally ill. You project your paranoia onto other people, and then insult them for your projection. I'm sorry, I didn't realize. I hope you finally find a therapy and medication regimen that will work for you.

  • Sevo||

    Libertardian|6.23.12 @ 10:21PM|#
    "Jesus, you're mentally ill...."

    Poor little libertadian! Called on bullshit, now claims those who did so must be 'mentally ill'.
    How original! How...............
    Stupid.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    How pathetic of a paranoid cunt do you have to be to call people "libertardian"? THAT'S an old chestnut for ya.

    No one forced you to sign up here, by the way. So, feel free to leave.

  • sloopyinca||

    And I wouldn't wish ill will on you unless you harmed me or one of my friends or family. And that's why libertarians hate the rest of you fuckheads: you want everybody to live your way or suffer some great harm. All we want is for you not to use force against us.

    And I'll be able to pay it if I get a toothache. I can afford dental insurance on my own if my employer chooses to drop our coverage. Or I'll take my skill set to a different employer that does offer dental coverage.

    People like you want to impose costs and fees on people like me because you think I'm obligated to subsidize your life and lifestyle. All I want is to be able to negotiate fees and services with health care providers without the government forcing both of our actions. I value the liberty of the consumer and of the doctor. You want to enslave both of us through price controls and compulsory insurance. Hence the "fuck off, slaver" applies equally to you, douchebag.

  • Sevo||

    sloopyinca|6.23.12 @ 10:02PM|#
    "And I wouldn't wish ill will on you unless you harmed me or one of my friends or family."

    I won't wait until Libertardian does.

  • Libertardian||

    Do you masturbate to pictures of Ayn Rand?

  • Sevo||

    Libertardian|6.23.12 @ 10:17PM|#
    "Do you masturbate to pictures of Ayn Rand?"

    That's GREAT! How original!

  • Libertardian||

  • Sevo||

    Oh! Oh! A VIDEO!
    How...............
    Stupid.

  • Almanian's Evil Twin||

    Nah - who needs to masturbate when yer mom's sucking cock?

    Take your fucking afflictions and Nazicare and get fucked, slaver.

  • Almanian's Evil Twin||

    Nah - who needs to masturbate when yer mom's sucking cock?

    Take your fucking afflictions and Nazicare and get fucked, slaver.

  • Libertardian||

    Stupidity so nice, he posted it twice.

  • Sevo||

    Libertardian|6.23.12 @ 10:28PM|#
    "Stupidity so nice, he posted it twice."

    And you only have to do it once!

  • Libertardian||

    Thank you for that. A human story trumps a blockhead with an ideology every time.

  • Sevo||

    Libertardian|6.23.12 @ 9:40PM|#
    "Thank you for that. A human story trumps a blockhead with an ideology every time."

    No, dipshit, a 'human-interest story' is a rotten excuse to do anything at all.
    Poor, poor Libertardian; always hoping mommy will make thing right.

  • califernian||

    I'm sure you feel the same every time you read about a 'human story' of some family business shut down due to govt regulations.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Then argue your points without using YOUR ideology, 'tard.

  • sloopyinca||

    Here's my human story, asshole:

    I have lived a very healthy life. I have had no major operations, illnesses or injuries that I couldn't pay cash for if I needed to see a doctor. Due to rising health care costs created by an overly regulated system, barriers to entry and insanely rigid and costly trials for treatments and pharmaceuticals, I chose to get insurance. I calculated that I have had premium increases imposed on me from when I first got insured that would equal $150,000 over the last 20 years of my working life that have been imposed because the government has forced my carriers and/or employers to incluse unhealthy people in my groups. They have also made it impossible for carriers to compete across state lines, thus reducing competition through cronyism.

    All in all, unhealthy people have cost me enough to send my two children to college for 4 years each. They have destroyed a great deal of purchasing power that I could have spent on putting Americans to work and have limited the financial freedom of my progeny.

    The PPACA will further weaken my purchasing power, will reduce the financial liberty of my children and will be a net drain on American productivity. It also enslaves doctors and prevents them from selling their services on a market they entered. It is slavery, and anyone that advocates for it advocates for enslaving an entire industry and bankrupting our childrens' and grandchildrens' nation.

  • Libertardian||

    What about that time your mom gave you genital warts? I bet that wasn't cheap.

  • Sevo||

    Libertardian|6.23.12 @ 10:14PM|#
    "What about that time your mom gave you genital warts? I bet that wasn't cheap."

    With a rusty and infected chain saw.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    What about the time Libertaridan gave HIS mom genital warts?

  • Libertardian||

    Ah, the "No U" reply. You are truly a genius, sir. I bow to your inferior intellect and lowly-tuned sense of humor.

  • Sevo||

    Libertardian|6.23.12 @ 10:24PM|#
    "Ah, the "No U" reply. You are truly a genius, sir. I bow to your inferior intellect and lowly-tuned sense of humor."

    Dipshit, there's only one here who proposed some silly vid as part of an argument.
    That would be you.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Actually, you have a lot of gall to say that shit, 'tard, seeing as it was you who was first to descend into childish insults.

  • sloopyinca||

    Ah yes. Changing the subject with an Ad Hominem attack...the act of a beaten and desperate man.

    Poor little Libertardian. He can't argue on the merits of the law so he has to resort to name-calling and Ad Hom's.

    Loser.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    He either honed that skill at DU or FreeRepublic. Hard to tell which.

  • Libertardian||

    "He can't argue on the merits of the law so he has to resort to name-calling and Ad Hom's. Loser."

    Priceless.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Re-read what you posted. Sloopy made the right call.

  • califernian||

    "I have one working kidney. I've had breast cancer. I have a fake ACL ligament. I have had shoulder reconstruction. I have asthma and migraines. "

    Question. Why didn't you have insurance before these conditions arose? It's quite affordable.

  • Sevo||

    Oh, and:
    "I have one working kidney. I've had breast cancer. I have a fake ACL ligament. I have had shoulder reconstruction. I have asthma and migraines. "

    On the internet, no one knows you're a dog.
    I'm calling bullshit. You have a shoulder reconstruction without insurance?
    Wanna prove this is true and also tell us why you didn't have insurance before all this misfortune?

  • Sevo||

    Not aimed at you, califernian.

  • califernian||

    "I would prefer universal health care"

    No, you wouldnt.

  • Sevo||

    califernian|6.23.12 @ 10:11PM|#
    "I would prefer universal health care"
    No, you wouldnt."

    True.
    'Universal' medical care means shit care for everyone. If you live long enough to get it.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Only if every politician gets the same exact shitty care we peasants will get.

  • Mr Whipple||

    No, you wouldnt.

    Oh, I don't know. A free trip to India for reconstructive surgery isn't necessarily a bad thing.

  • Agammamon||

    How, exactly, has he been covered by the "Affordable Care Act" since its coverage provisions don't go into effect for 2 more years?
    Only the paying for part has started now.
    And how is your son getting any coverage out of the VA? Service related condition? If so why didn't he stay on Tricare after discharge? Its a heavily subsidized insurance program that
    a. pays for medical treatment beyond what the local naval treatment facility can provide (for active duty personnel).
    b. is available to retired and medically discharged personnel (and their dependents) for an extreme discount.

    If you are as sick as you say, he could have made you his dependent and you would have been taken care of through the mil-med system.

    o/ . . . .#

    See that there ^^?

    That's me throwing the bullshit flag.

  • Libertardian||

    What's the highest office held by someone in the Libertarian Party, by the way? School board president? Dog catcher?

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Hey, you forgot to call us racists. You're slackin', pig-fucker.

  • Libertardian||

    Well, you're clearly an idiot. Racist can't be too far away.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Ahh, so you're the only telepath on the planet. Interesting.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Read it and weep:

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism

    You do not know how to use that word properly.

  • sloopyinca||

    Gary Johnson was Governor of New Mexico and he's in the LP.

    And either way, Libertarian Party != libertarian.

  • Libertardian||

    He was a Republican then. You LIE!

  • Mr. FIFY||

    "Was", you stupid cunt.

  • Sevo||

    Libertardian|6.23.12 @ 10:25PM|#
    "He was a Republican then. You LIE!"

    I'm gonna bet you have an advanced degree in sophistry. Or, you're just an ignoramus.
    Which is it?

  • Mr. FIFY||

    He may be good at fisting, too.

  • Sevo||

    Libertardian|6.23.12 @ 10:18PM|#
    "What's the highest office held by someone in the Libertarian Party, by the way"

    Got it. Since those who prefer liberty don't hold office, why, the socialists of the world claim success!
    Why don't you just admit you're willing to have someone pull a gun to support your pathetic ideology?

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Him and Tony should get together.

  • Libertardian||

    Jesus, you really do see socialists and commies everywhere, don't you? Have you no sense of decency sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Not everywhere... there ARE social-conservatives out there, too, and they're just as dangerous.

  • Sevo||

    Libertardian|6.23.12 @ 10:31PM|#
    "Jesus, you really do see socialists and commies everywhere, don't you?"

    No, dipshit. Only when they run across the target range waving that flag.
    If you're going to claim to be otherwise, let's see it. So far, you've been waving that flag.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    But the guys at the truck stop love it when he waves his flag!

  • Libertardian||

    "Actually, you have a lot of gall to say that shit, 'tard, seeing as it was you who was first to descend into childish insults."

  • Mr. FIFY||

    You've followed the usual pattern: You start out somewhat sensible, then you eventually descend into pointless wordplay.

    You're not the first.

  • Libertardian||

    I love how neither of you got the reference. Can't say I'm terribly surprised neither of you know your history.

  • Sevo||

    Libertardian|6.23.12 @ 10:38PM|#
    "I love how neither of you got the reference."

    I'm sure you are patting yourself on the back for your 'clever' reference.
    Don't break your arm.

  • WWNGD?||

    What's the highest office held by someone in the Libertarian Party

    There are some state governments that have libertarians in their mix but there are two problems.
    1) The republicrats have a monopoly on the political system.
    2) Good men don't want to rule over others.

  • Mr Whipple||

    1) The republicrats have a monopoly on the political system.

    Yeah, right? Look at what happened to all third-party candidates in Pennsylvania in 2010.

  • Almanian's Evil Twin||

    Almost died a couple times - just life events and excitement. Shit happens. Paid for all care myself. Otherwise quite healthy. Have already paid more in taxes than I'll ever get out of the system. However, always happy to help others through voluntary charity at work, through church, etc. Worked hard to be a 1%er. I like it. Shitstains like "Asthma-PPCA-BreastCancer-ZOMGtardian" can fuck off. I'm tired of carrying you - have fun getting your "Democracy" good and hard, you odious loser.

  • Libertardian||

    Yes, because the true mark of a 1%er is arguing on the internet on a Saturday night. How is your mom's basement these days?

  • Mr. FIFY||

    You're here too, 'tard.

  • Libertardian||

    I'm not claiming to be a one percenter who pays all his medical bills in cold, hard cash, am I?

  • Mr. FIFY||

    You bitched about people posting here on a Saturday night... while posting here on a Saturday night.

  • sloopyinca||

    I'm here posting on a Saturday night...nothing wrong in that.

    By the way, I just finished eating a badass Low Country boil with a bit of a California flair.

    It. Was. Awesome. Abso-fucking-lutely Awesome.
    5 ears Sweet Corn chopped into pieces (from my garden)
    5 Yellow potatoes cut into chunks
    1 lb fresh string beans
    4 Fresno (or Jalapeno) Peppers (from the garden)
    3 large Hot Banana Peppers (from the garden)
    1/2 large yellow onion
    5 cloves of garlic
    1 lb Andouille sausage
    2.5 lb shrimp (fresh-uncooked but peeled)
    Cajun seasoning, cayenne pepper, salt and pepper to taste
    Get 1 gal of water and 1 gal of chicken stock to a boil. Add in corn and Cajun seasoning. After 5 minutes, add in potatoes and onions. In 5 more minutes, add in the peppers, garlic and onion. In 2 more minutes, add in the Andouille sausage. 10 minutes later, add the shrimp for 2 minutes and pull off heat. Make sure you remember you will lose about 1/4 of the volume of the liquid, so season accordingly while cooking.

    Substitute 1 lb of crawfish for 1/2 lb of the shrimp if, and only if, it is in season. Unfortunately it isn't right now.

  • Libertardian||

    RON PAUL 201 -- oh, shit. Sorry. My bad.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Shit Sandwich versus Giant Douche.

    Which one you votin' for, sport?

  • Libertardian||

    I'm voting for Gary Johnson's haircut.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Barry doesn't have that haircut. No way you're not going to vote for him.

  • Sevo||

    Libertardian|6.23.12 @ 10:40PM|#
    "I'm voting for Gary Johnson's haircut."

    Did your mommy tell you that you were 'clever'? Did she take you to family gatherings and bore the others with stories about how 'smart' you are?
    She lied.

  • Sevo||

    I'm gonna bet you have an advanced degree in sophistry. Or, you're just an ignoramus.
    Which is it?

  • Libertardian||

    Uh-oh, now he's repeating himself. Get the straightjacket ready.

  • Sevo||

    Libertardian|6.23.12 @ 10:43PM|#
    "Uh-oh, now he's repeating himself. Get the straightjacket ready."

    I'm gonna bet you have an advanced degree in sophistry. Or, you're just an ignoramus.
    Which is it?
    Again, which is it?

  • Libertardian||

    I'm gonna bet you have an advanced degree in sophistry. Or, you're just an ignoramus. Which is it?

  • Sevo||

    So you admit to being an ignoramus? Good.

  • Libertardian||

    I'm gonna bet you have an advanced degree in sophistry. Or, you're just an ignoramus. Which is it?

  • Ben the Duck||

    Weakest. Troll. Ever.

  • Libertardian||

    You replied.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    You carpet-bagged your way here.

  • Libertardian||

    And I teabagged your sister. She loved it.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    That would be news to her husband.

  • Libertardian||

    He was getting pegged by his gay lover. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Okay... post their home address.

    C'mon, 'tard, if you really fucked my sister you have to know where she lives. Pony up. Go on, it's okay... hell, post a Google Earth snap of their house.

    Callin' your bluff, you pathetic shit. Put up or shut the fuck up.

    I'm talking to her right now on the phone, by the way. This is fucking priceless.

  • Libertardian||

    I'm gonna bet you have an advanced degree in sophistry. Or, you're just an ignoramus. Which is it?

  • Sevo||

    Libertardian|6.23.12 @ 10:57PM|#
    "I'm gonna bet you have an advanced degree in sophistry. Or, you're just an ignoramus. Which is it?"

    Copy/paste is the best you can do? pathetic.

  • Sevo||

    Libertardian|6.23.12 @ 10:48PM|#
    "And I teabagged your sister. She loved it."

    Oh, how................
    nothing.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Let's see that personal info, 'tard. What is my sister's name? Where did you fuck her? Was my nephew home from school, or was he sitting there in front of you, watching with childlike wonder?

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Yeah, that's what I thought... big talk from a pussy-boy.

  • Libertardian||

    Bitch. In the ass. And you were raping your nephew.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    You're not even being original, now.

    Or ever, apparently.

  • sloopyinca||

    How do you teabag someone in the ass? I couldn't even find that on urban dictionary. It's a shame SF and Warty aren't on here or they could tell us what it's called.

    How about we call it "Libertardianing someone"?

  • Mr. FIFY||

    sloop FTW.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    And he STILL hasn't posted my sister's home address, where the deed allegedly occurred.

    We have ourselves a braggard AND a moron, all wrapped up in one tiny package.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    STEVE SMITH can teabag people in the ass. But only STEVE SMITH can do that.

  • Sevo||

    Mr. FIFY|6.23.12 @ 10:42PM|#
    "You've followed the usual pattern: You start out somewhat sensible, then you eventually descend into pointless wordplay.
    You're not the first."

    Hey, stabbing the latest socialist to wander by isn't all that bad on a Saturday evening.
    Problem is, none of them offer more than the predictable 'arguments' and then simply descend into 'libertarians are bad'.
    It'd be more enjoyable if one *ever* offered a single point that hasn't been de-bunked fifty times.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    He's no shrike, that's for true.

  • Libertardian||

    You can't debunk "libertarians are bad." If they were good, they'd win an election.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    He's not even as good as Max was. Shit, Sevo, we've got us a more-pathetic troll than MAX.

    That shit ain't natural.

  • ||

    You can't debunk "Bush is good." If he was bad, he wouldn't have won those elections.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Bush was a power-hungry moron. That makes two in a row.

  • Sevo||

    Libertardian|6.23.12 @ 10:54PM|#
    "You can't debunk "libertarians are bad.""

    Been done, dipshit.

  • ||

    Weak, boring troll is weak and boring.

    *yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn*

  • Libertardian||

    Brandeis? You must be some kinda commie! Quick, sevo, report him to the House Un-American Activities Committee!

  • Libertardian||

    Brandeis? You must be some kinda commie! Quick, sevo, report him to the House Un-American Activities Committee!

  • Libertardian||

    Brandeis? You must be some kinda commie! Quick, sevo, report him to the House Un-American Activities Committee!

  • Mr. FIFY||

    There is no such thing anymore, you stupid bitch.

  • sloopyinca||

    Fucking retard can't even figure out how to post on here and we're supposed to take him seriously?

  • Mr. FIFY||

    But he honed his skills on PigFuckerPond's website! He HAS to be good at it!

  • ||

    Quick off yourself! You can't even troll without sounding like a pussy. Just end it before you're dissapointed by further constant failure.

  • Libertardian||

    I'm gonna bet you have an advanced degree in sophistry. Or, you're just an ignoramus. Which is it?

  • ||

    So Bush is good by your standards?

    Shouldn't you just kill yourself now?

  • Mr. FIFY||

    He has standards?

  • ||

    He doesn't have the balls to off himself, so his standards or lack thereof are irrelevant.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    I'd lend him one of my knives, but I'd probably have to draw on his arm with a Sharpie so he could make the proper cuts, and I'm just not that kind and generous to go to that much trouble.

  • sloopyinca||

    So, good people win elections, huh?
    (here it comes!)
    You know who else won elections?

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Mussolini, the Joe Besser of World War II despots?

  • Libertardian||

    Gary Johnson.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Wait, I know... Bush won elections!

    Um, but so did Obama. Mostly by getting divorce records un-sealed for political profit, but still.

  • sloopyinca||

    Then by your definition, he's one of the good ones. And he's a Libertarian now. So you think Libertarians are good. Thanks for playing, dildo.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    He's saying it ironically. He must be a hipster douche, on top of everything else.

  • sloopyinca||

    Fucking mayonnaise-marketing motherfuckers, with their American Spirit smokes and their PBR and their fixed-gear bikes with 9' ft seats.

  • Libertardian||

    No, but your sister needs to douche.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Do they drink PBR ironically, too?

  • ||

    Your attempt to troll has just been an utter trainwreck. Kill yourself to avoid a life full of failure.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    He'd just kill himself ironically. So his friends would think he was cool.

  • Libertardian||

    But then who'll fuck FIFY's sister?

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Her husband. Like he always does when they fuck.

    You're really bad at this. I can hear her laughing her ass off on the phone. We're really enjoying watching you make a twat of yourself on the internet.

  • Libertardian||

    "Hey, sis. I just called to share an argument I'm having on the internet! Yes, I know it's 11:25 on a Saturday night! What do you mean, 'Get a life'? No, I did NOT diddle your son."

  • Sevo||

    Libertardian|6.23.12 @ 11:13PM|#
    "No, but your sister needs to douche."

    I know you're not my child; your mommy was too ugly to fuck.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    He can't even LIE properly.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    And he STILL hasn't posted proof he fucked my sister.

    Possibly. Worst. Troll. Ever.

  • Libertardian||

    Well, no one would actually admit to fucking your sister. You'd be branded as carrying every social disease known to man forever.

  • Libertardian||

    I'm gonna bet you have an advanced degree in sophistry. Or, you're just an ignoramus. Which is it?

  • General Butt Naked||

    This seems familiar, you think?

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Possibly. Now that I think of it, hasn't this particular twat posted here before today?

  • Sevo||

    Libertardian|6.23.12 @ 10:57PM|#
    "I'm gonna bet you have an advanced degree in sophistry. Or, you're just an ignoramus. Which is it?"

    I'm certainly happy you like my comment enough to copy and paste it. You haven't yet answered the question.
    Or is that beyond your capabilities?

  • Libertardian||

    I'm gonna bet you have an advanced degree in sophistry. Or, you're just an ignoramus. Which is it?

  • Sevo||

    Libertardian|6.23.12 @ 11:31PM|#
    "I'm gonna bet you have an advanced degree in sophistry. Or, you're just an ignoramus. Which is it?"

    So one more copy/paste, no answer? Here's your shovel, keep digging.

  • Libertardian||

    I'm gonna bet you have an advanced degree in sophistry. Or, you're just an ignoramus. Which is it?

  • Libertardian||

  • ||

    *facepalm*

    This is just awful trolling. Just awful.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Not clicking that. Try harder. You know you can do something clever, if only by accident.

  • Libertardian||

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Nope.

  • ||

    This almost represents how disappointing your trolling has been.

  • sloopyinca||

    Why can't he do us all a favor and do this?

  • Mr. FIFY||

    That gun would need to be thrown away. Wouldn't be worth cleaning.

    A plastic bag is cheaper.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    I'm tired of watching this pussy play with his ball of internet yarn. I'm gonna go DRINK! some beer.

    Have fun poking the 'tard with wooden spoons, folks.

  • Sevo||

    It was fun for a while. Not so much anymore.
    Cheers!

  • Libertardian||

    I'm gonna bet you have an advanced degree in sophistry. Or, you're just an ignoramus. Which is it?

  • Mr. FIFY||

    For the record, I'm drinking Piney River Brewing Company's McKinney Eddy Amber Ale, and I'm also going to tap into my last couple of bottles of Boulevard Brewing's Boss Tom's Bock.

    And I won't be drinking them ironically. Only hipster douches do that when they throw down fourteen dollars for a twelve-pack of Schlitz.

    Is the twat still posting? He should be tired by now.

  • Libertardian||

    Dude, you said you were going to leave. You PROMISED.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Still a free country, 'tard.

    No one's forcing you to post here, by the way.

    *hint*

  • Mr. FIFY||

    "Still a free country"

    ...much to your disdain, I might add.

  • Libertardian||

    Actually, as a good libertarian, you should be championing my right to unpopular speeech. Cunt.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    I never said you didn't have that right.

    However, this is a privately-owned website. You do not have the "right" to post here.

    For that matter, you do not have the right to be heard.

    But you can still lie all you want.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    But DO show us where you have the right to be heard. That's always fun.

  • Libertardian||

    Go. Drink some pretentiously-titled beer while accusing OTHER people of being hipster douches. Like you PROMISED.

  • Sevo||

    Libertardian|6.23.12 @ 11:37PM|#
    "Actually, as a good libertarian, you should be championing my right to unpopular speeech. Cunt."

    Dipshit, no one is stopping you from posting bullshit; you're just getting called on it.
    You think free speech is about reading ignoramuses and applauding them?
    Stuff it.

  • Libertardian||

    I'm gonna bet you have an advanced degree in sophistry. Or, you're just an ignoramus. Which is it?

  • General Butt Naked||

    Still a free country, 'tard.

    Citation needed.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Well, *almost* still a free country. Six degrees of Kevin Bacon, and all that.

    Won't be free much longer, though, with twats like the 'tard out there.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Hipsters drink PBR.

    Nothing pretentious about drinking *good* beer.

    BTW, I never "promised" anything. But you still owe us pictures of you fucking my sister.

  • Libertardian||

    I couldn't find a wide enough lens.

  • Sevo||

    Libertardian|6.23.12 @ 11:45PM|#
    "I couldn't find a wide enough lens."

    You can't find a brain cell.

  • Libertardian||

    I'm gonna bet you have an advanced degree in sophistry. Or, you're just an ignoramus. Which is it?

  • Libertardian||

    Ever tried a political philosophy that doesn't rely on creating imaginary enemies?

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Yeah... I used to vote for Democrats, but I grew out of that thirty years ago.

  • Sevo||

    Libertardian|6.23.12 @ 11:43PM|#
    "Ever tried a political philosophy that doesn't rely on creating imaginary enemies?"

    Ever tried a political philosophy that doesn't need guns to support your idiocy?

  • General Butt Naked||

    How about we go with "free-ish"?

  • Mr. FIFY||

    "Shut The Fuck Up About Losing ALL Your Freedoms; You Can Still Have Gay Sex"

    That would make a great slogan for Team Blue.

  • sloopyinca||

    For the record, I'm drinking Piney River Brewing Company's McKinney Eddy Amber Ale, and I'm also going to tap into my last couple of bottles of Boulevard Brewing's Boss Tom's Bock.

    Dinner finished and the belly full. I'm about to crack open some Banjoopy Pale Ale, and I'll likely follow it up with a few Banjoopy Hefeweizens and/or a few Banjoopy Kolsch's. Either way, I'm OK. I've got 9 cases in my second fridge.

  • sloopyinca||

    FWIW, Banjoopy is what we call our beer.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Wow, that beats me drinking Missouri craft beers... who's your distributor? I want some.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Well, shitcakes. I thought you two had started a brewery.

  • sloopyinca||

    Someday we're gonna road trip across the country and drop off 12 packs of beer to all the reasoniod commentariat. And I'd love to start a brewery, but I'm just not nearly skilled enough at the moment. I'm a chef, not a brewmeister. But I'm learning.

    BTW, if anyone is in the market for a 2,000 gal oak barrel, please let me know. I've got a customer trying to sell one, and they're asking under $3k.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    That would be uber-sweet, sloop. I insist on trading, though, so if you make it happen, I'll trade you some good beer from my flyover state.

    (cue 'tard wondering how Missouri hillbillies could possibly mass-produce good-quality beer)

  • General Butt Naked||

    Butt Naked, General
    2** T** BLVD
    Pittsburgh PA
    15210

    I'll be waiting!

  • sloopyinca||

  • sloopyinca||

    Oops. I meant here.

  • Randian||

    Sugarfree laughs from his slumber.

  • sloopyinca||

    Yeah, fuck it. I tried a link to the 200 Block of The Boulevard in Yinzerville, but I can't get it to work. Oh well, fuck it.

  • General Butt Naked||

    I got ya.

    My house is the one surrounded by an aura of freedom.

    Real easy to find.

  • ||

    My brother and I got together this week and we splurged on some amazing beers. Here are some I would recommend:

    Firestone Walker §ucaba - an utterly magnificent bourbon barrel aged Barleywine. One of the best beers I've ever had.

    Firestone Walker Parabola - a bourbon barrel aged Russian Imperial Stout. Very rich and reminiscent of chocolate liqueur truffles. Almost as good as the §ucaba.

    Pipeworks Brewing Blood of the Unicorn - a very hoppy Amber Ale. Quite delicious.

    He'Brew Jewbelation Fifteen - an American Strong Ale (basically an American Barleywine). This beer was brewed with 15 different malts and 15 different hops. It was good but couldn't compare to the §ucaba, nor did it merit all the ingredients.

    Samuel Smith's Yorkshire Stingo - an oak barrel aged English Strong Ale. Tastes like an Old Ale (one of my favorite styles) such as Theakston's Old Peculier. Nice and drinkable.

  • Killazontherun||

    Amazing how many craft breweries are around now. Have not heard of a single one of those, but I already located a store within fifteen miles that carries the Firestone brews.

  • General Butt Naked||

    Jimmy Carter wasn't all bad.

  • ||

    Careful with those BBAs. They're quite strong (12-18% ABV) and sweet sipping beers. They're definitely not what most Americans think of as beer.

  • sloopyinca||

    Anybody make a Bock on here? I'm considering it, but I'm not sure what temp it brews at, and we don't have a refrigerated setup...yet.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    I've never made it, but I heard a rumor that only hipster douches drink "bock".

  • Libertardian||

    Doesn't disdain for someone else's personal choices make YOU a hipster douche? (Yes.)

  • Mr. FIFY||

    No, it means some people just don't drink nasty beer just to look "hip".

    You're REALLY bad at this.

  • Sevo||

    Libertardian|6.23.12 @ 11:46PM|#
    "Doesn't disdain for someone else's personal choices make YOU a hipster douche? (Yes.)"

    Doesn't your stupidity hurt? (Yes.)

  • Libertardian||

    I'm gonna bet you have an advanced degree in sophistry. Or, you're just an ignoramus. Which is it?

  • General Butt Naked||

    I'm a high class hipster, I drink PBR Bock.

    It goes great with a raw milk brie grilled cheese sandwich dipped in artisanal wasabi mayonnaise.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    They still make that?? I haven't seen that since I was a kid.

  • General Butt Naked||

    Reissued by popular demand.

  • Sevo||

    OT:
    Folks living on Lanai hope the new owner of most of it will give them free stuff:
    "Working-class residents on Lanai want stable jobs. Affordable housing. No onerous restrictions on hunting or fishing. A return to agriculture. Improved transportation to Maui, Oahu and other islands given an airport with limited flights. Even simple things like the reopening of the community pool."
    Uh, and unicorns, too!
    http://www.sfgate.com/news/art.....657677.php

  • Mr. FIFY||

    There had better be a PERMANENTLY-MOUNTED wheelchair lift next to that pool. The DoJ said so.

    Because Fuck You, That's Why.

  • Libertardian||

  • Sevo||

    Oh! Oh! A youtube link! How............
    Stupid.

  • Libertardian||

    I'm gonna bet you have an advanced degree in sophistry. Or, you're just an ignoramus. Which is it?

  • Sevo||

    Libertardian|6.23.12 @ 11:56PM|#
    "I'm gonna bet you have an advanced degree in sophistry. Or, you're just an ignoramus. Which is it?"

    I'm honored, but then you've yet to answer, dipshit.

  • Libertardian||

    I'm gonna bet you have an advanced degree in sophistry. Or, you're just an ignoramus. Which is it?

  • Banjos||

    *stops by thread, looks around, shakes head, leaves*

  • Randian||

    Come on guys - this is Mary, loud and clear. Weekend abuse? Check. Terrible name? Check. Tiresome 'argumentation'? Check.

    Thanks for your input, Mary!

  • Mr. FIFY||

    The only thing missing is the old White Indian bullshit.

    Some "Christ-fag" here and there would pepper up the sentences, as well.

  • General Butt Naked||

    I thought so to, Randian.

    Same MO.

  • sloopyinca||

    Jesus Christ. I'd rather knock on Buzz Aldrin's door blindfolded and tell him how I wronged Neil Armstrong years ago than engage this fuckwit any longer.

  • General Butt Naked||

    After the shit we've all been through this ain't nuthin'.

    Shake it off, champ.

  • Sevo||

    General Butt Naked|6.23.12 @ 11:53PM|#
    "After the shit we've all been through this ain't nuthin'.
    Shake it off, champ."

    *WONDERFUL*!
    Compared to WI, L-shit is chump-change.

  • Libertardian||

    I'm gonna bet you have an advanced degree in sophistry. Or, you're just an ignoramus. Which is it?

  • Sevo||

    Libertardian|6.23.12 @ 11:59PM|#
    "I'm gonna bet you have an advanced degree in sophistry. Or, you're just an ignoramus. Which is it?"

    Guys, it's beginning to look like MS.
    L-shit is limited to copy-pasting earlier comments; shades of the WI infestation.

  • Libertardian||

    I'm gonna bet you have an advanced degree in sophistry. Or, you're just an ignoramus. Which is it?

  • Randian||

    That's sad. You have to just sort of feel bad about how sick a person has to be.

  • Libertardian||

    Scroll up, moron. I'm mimicking him/her.

  • Randian||

    Mary had a little jam;
    she spread it on a waffle.
    And if she hadn’t eaten ten,
    she wouldn’t feel so awful.

  • Randian||

    *WONDERFUL*!
    Compared to WI, L-shit is chump-change.

    THIS ^^

  • Randian||

    It's a good point. This thread only got to 230+ comments. Remember when Mary was in full retard mode and could push a thread into the 1000+ full of total shit?

    This is a blessing, a calm oasis, compared to those days.

  • Libertardian||

    A libertarian making paranoid accusations that are completely wrong? What are the odds?

  • Banjos||

    Two went past 2k, those were the days...I will admit it was fun when I was drunk. But being pregos and unable to drink makes her bipolar swings less fun.

  • Randian||

    Huh, she really does just cut and paste now.

    How far the Mighty have fallen! Mary's current state reminds me of Satan in Dante's Inferno.

  • Ben the Duck||

    Reminds me of Charlie Gordon, in Flowers for Algernon.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    I agree, and I'm voluntarily leaving... this time, not to return until tomorrow.

    But still, no "promise".

  • Libertardian||

    Thank God.

  • Randian||

    Mary had a little jam;
    she spread it on a waffle.
    And if she hadn’t eaten ten,
    she wouldn’t feel so awful.

  • sloopyinca||

    I agree, and I'm voluntarily leaving... this time, not to return until tomorrow.

    So am I.

  • Libertardian||

    Praise Jeebus!

  • Randian||

    Aw look, sloop, it has a crush on you!

  • Sevo||

    Randian|6.24.12 @ 12:00AM|#
    "Aw look, sloop, it has a crush on you!"

    Doubt it; It has a crush on seeing its predictable posts on the web.
    'Nuff.

  • Libertardian||

    I'm gonna bet you have an advanced degree in sophistry. Or, you're just an ignoramus. Which is it?

  • Libertardian||

    You self-identify as a Randroid? That's brave. Even Neil Peart finds that cunt rancid now.

  • Killazontherun||

    I bet less than ten percent of Hispanics have ever actually stabbed someone, but we still get this stereotypical bullshit.

    Secret Service takes forks away from Latinos at Obama event...

    Don't give me any condescending crap about how they did this at other events as well when it is obvious they only did it before as cover for when they had to come and beg us for support.

    Racism, straight up.

  • Libertardian||

    Uh, no. What's the connection between Latinos and knives and forks?

    Do you eat with a knife and fork at Taco Bell?

  • Killazontherun||

    Who the fuck are you?

  • Libertardian||

    You're a disease, and I'm the cure.

  • Killazontherun||

    The only reason you would want to appear on my radar is because you are a nothing desperate to be something. Bye, bye loser. Did not see all the shit you did above before I acknowledged you. Will not happen again.

  • Libertardian||

    Fine by me. You've proven yourself a moron already, anyway.

  • Randian||

    Aww look, Mary's racist too! Who knew?

  • Libertardian||

    I don't know who "Mary" is, but if she got you this riled up, she sounds awesome.

  • Pagan Priestess||

    Ah man, mad shitter loose in the weekend thread AGAIN!?!!

  • Killazontherun||

    All that pint up, misdirected anger makes you feel sorry for the guy, but don't feel bad for him. I'm sure he'll find his father one day. His mother had like one hundred and fifty clients that week, but given she made them all use the same standard rubber it had to be the guy with the smallest dick whose rubber slipped off. And, since he has taken over the same street corner his mother worked, he should have a pretty good idea who the guy might be from servicing him over the years.

  • Killazontherun||

    You know what they say, if life hands you a lemon, distil that citric acid to make a bomb.

  • Libertardian||

    You seem to know a lot about prostitution. Is that why you're a libertarian? Can't get laid and have to pay for it? Thought so. Also, eat a dick and die of AIDS. Today.

  • Zed||

    Watched Nick vs Maddow today and wondered why he thinks he is NOT partisan? What did he say that was NOT sounding Right-Wing?
    Nothing. You are as partisan Nick..... and against all that Dems stand for..... as they are against you. The whole country is a mess and you are no better than anybody else. Sorry.

  • ||

    Nick is devoted to principle, not to arbitrary party politics, unlike Maddow.

  • Ben the Duck||

    Man, Nick's effortless televised smackdown of Mancow and Maher really brought a whole lot of stupid and ugly scuttling out into the light of day, didn't it.

    Fucking. Awesome.

  • ||

    All Nick did was truthfully point out how awful the Obama administration is for using gun walking as a part of the War on Drugs and call out Maddow for her lame ass dismissal of serious DoJ malfeasance, which she did by saying Team Red was bad, ergo Team Blue did nothing wrong.

    This is why MSNBC is worse than Fox, Fox is upfront about Hannity and O'Reilly being pundits. Maddow, Ed, and formerly Olberdouche have the audacity to pretend they're impartial journalists when all they do is distort the facts to fit the narrative, like Maddow flat out lying when she said FF was a Bush program ended by Obama. No, it began under Bush, was ended under Bush, and then resurrected by Team Obama, who then lied about it to Congress.

  • ||

    i just have to step in and congratulate mr gillespie for his performance on real time.

  • ||

    Ok as of late i have noticed some hipster hate here in the threads.

    I think a reconsideration is in order

    Cuz of this:

    http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/82616788/

    For bringing this into the world Everything hipsters have ever done is now forgiven.

  • ||

    It Represents the End of Limited Government. The Supreme Court will issue its verdict later this spring of course, but there's no question that if the government can force you to do something simply because you exist and draw breath, then the American experiment in limited government is http://www.lunettesporto.com/l.....-3_23.html over and done with. Whether it's the mandating of eating broccoli or buying insurance, a government that can make you do whatever it wants just ain't in the American grain.

  • Fantocone||

    Yeah OK man that makes a lot of sense dude.

    www.Fresh-Anon.tk

  • Mr Whipple||

  • General Butt Naked||

    Are you trying to compete with a bot?

    Listen, and understand. The anon-o bot you responded to: It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are signed up for www.Fresh-Anon.tk.

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