What's Next: Children Barred From Coal Mines? Nanny State Bans Undermine School Tests, Satanic Rituals, Farm Work

Here's two stories from the frontlines of American childhood (which truth be told, died whenever I went through puberty).

First up is a classic case of nanny-state stupidity from the unlikely epicenter of so many stupid rules: New York City.

A ban in Big Apple schools prevents tests from using such filthy words as dinosaur, birthday, and Halloween on city-wide tests. Why?

...such topics “could evoke unpleasant emotions in the students.”

Dinosaurs, for example, call to mind evolution, which might upset fundamentalists; birthdays aren’t celebrated by Jehovah’s Witnesses; and Halloween suggests paganism.

Even “dancing’’ is taboo, because some sects object. But the city did make an exception for ballet.

The forbidden topics were recently spelled out in a request for proposals provided to companies competing to revamp city English, math, science and social-studies tests given several times a year to measure student progress....

Officials say such exclusions are normal procedure.

“This is standard language that has been used by test publishers for many years and allows our students to complete practice exams without distraction,” said a Department of Education spokeswoman, insisting it’s not censorship.

In fact, sensitivity guidelines recently published by a group of states creating new high-stakes exams also caution against mentioning luxuries, group dancing, junk food, homelessness or witches.

Yet a comparison shows the city’s list, at 50 topics, is nearly twice as long and has fewer exceptions.

Lord, that I had been spared exam questions about "group dancing"! I might have made something of myself! It's a good thing that New York school-prisoners are waiting for Superman and not Devil Dinosauar and Moon-Boy, because the latter ain't allowed anywhere near a school.

Read the whole NY Post article here.

And just so you don't think that it's only big cities that are hell-bent on protecting the delicate little flowers that are the ineffective leaders of tomorrow, check out the rumblings in America's heartland, where farm states that get more from the federal government than they pay in are in a tizzy over proposed farm-labor regs that will keep Junior from riding a tractor until he's collecting Social Security:

Proposed labor restrictions cutting a path through Congress may adversely affect younger teens. Last fall, the U.S. Department of Labor proposed modifying child labor regulations for work on the farm in an effort to "strengthen the safety requirements for young workers employed in agriculture."

New laws would keep teens under 16 from operating nearly all power-driven farm equipment. Legislation would prohibit anyone under 18 from working at a grain elevator, feed lot or similar facility....

"It's a terrible idea to restrict kids on their own family farm," [a farm co-op manager] concluded. "I don't mind good government and good laws. Sometimes, the laws can over-reach."

More here.

Anxieties about children are nothing new, and neither are stupid, well-intentioned laws. By virtually any and all measures, kids are doing better than ever. To better understand the panic attacks that grow with every passing year, check out this 1997 Reason story by yours truly that is titled "Child-Proofing the World." A snippet:

The threats are everywhere, we are told: If children are not hounded by ritual satanic child abusers at day care or by perverts on the Internet, then they're sucking in too much asbestos at school, or chewing on too much lead at home; if television, purportedly the babysitter of choice in the overwhelming majority of American homes, hasn't transformed kids into underperforming, slackjawed dullards, it has overstimulated them into feral children who must be tamed with Ritalin and Prozac; if we haven't failed the kids by not spending unlimited amounts of tax money on them, then we have transformed them into shallow consumers who can only measure affection in terms of dollars spent; if they're not at elevated risks of brain cancer from eating hot dogs, then they're likely to become punch- drunk from heading soccer balls; and on and on.

Whole thing here.

Bonus story about "helicopter parents" being the real problem (duh): Colorado Springs Cancels Easter Egg Hunt Due to Misbehavior by Parents.

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  • Apatheist ಠ_ರೃ||

    "It's a terrible idea to restrict kids on their own family farm," [a farm co-op manager] concluded. "I don't mind good government and good laws. Sometimes, the laws can over-reach."

    He wants his free shit without the strings attached.

  • wareagle||

    you mean someone else is feeding, clothing, and housing his kids? Where was this deal when mine were younger? And I didn't even have a farm so they could learn about work; they had to go find actual jobs.

  • Apatheist ಠ_ರೃ||

    The taxpayers are through subsidies.

  • wareagle||

    whatever. Kids have worked in family businesses for as long as there have been family businesses. As a rule, farming families don't put their young in harm's way.

    The red flag is Dept of Labor; whose political ox was gored by kids working on a farm?

  • Apatheist ಠ_ರೃ||

    I don't think the government should be butting in here. But I also want farmers off the taxpayer's teat. In the quote he talks about how he likes government except when it affects him. This is a pervasive problem among American citizens.

  • wareagle||

    sounds like we're in violent agreement. I am with you about the farmers at the public trough. Get them out of there.

  • Joe M||

    South Park called this yeas ago.

    Happy happy happy, everybody happy.

  • ||

    It is their world. We just live in it. You can't do parody and satire anymore.

  • robc||

    Did anyone else have to square dance in PE? It never occurred to me to get out of it by claiming it was against my religion.

  • ||

    I know, right?

  • wareagle||

    it's still a mystery how Red Rover survived as long as it did. Oh, the horror of that large kid crashing through the line.

  • robc||

    it's still a mystery how Red Rover survived as long as it did.

    Because it was awesome?

    Im amazed at some of the stuff my elementary school let us do.

    King of the Hill on the wide metal slide, for one. It was a modified version, as the "King" would dethrone himself by sliding down the slide and trying to wipe out as many of the attempted usurpers as possible.

  • wareagle||

    lots of that stuff was awesome. What sticks out is how many of the things that are now deemed unsuitable existed when the rulemakers were of playing age. Maybe they were picked last for kickball or targeted in dodgeball, but damn, most of us left elementary school behind a long time ago.

    And what these idiots forget is the effect recess and PE had - after burning some of that excess energy, the classroom was a pretty attentive and productive place.

  • ||

    They took away all of the fun equipment on the playground and banned kids from playing any of the good games, then they wonder why kids are fat. Maybe the type II diabetes was more of a danger than the jungle gym.

  • Amakudari||

    We had a small growth of bamboo in my elementary school playground. We played a modified version of capture the flag by uprooting some bamboo and using them as whips against the other team.

    Also, wallball was great.

  • Ska||

    Wallball? Is that the nice way of saying asses up?

  • Amakudari||

    Yes. I've only heard it called wallball and butts up.

  • Loki||

    Maybe they were picked last for kickball or targeted in dodgeball

    The ones that weren't smart enough to do useful things with their lives probably became bureaucrats. This is the source of many government bureaucrats/ busybodies rage.

  • ||

    We had a maypole - essentially a pole with several chains with handles. It was pretty much a mob of violence as we ran and ran together, trying to swing off of the ground with centrifugal force. If there was someone you didn't like, you could always swing the chain at someone's head. Good times, good times.

  • ||

    They are TOTALLY the ones that were picked last. It would be funny if it wasn't so fucking pathetic.

  • Ryan||

    Then they shouldn't have sucked so much.

  • Karburetor Kristen||

    During mud season one year we had a re-freeze and the entire school playground was one big sheet of ice.

    Guess what the school system did.
    a) cancel recess entirely until the ice melted and the grounds could be re-sodded with nice, cushy grass
    b) Hold recess indoors in the gym with organized games of tag and "Simon Says"
    c) tell us we could bring our ice skates the next day and spend recess skating around the playground

    Hint: this was the mid1980's

  • wareagle||

    Hint: this was the mid1980's
    --------------------
    I'll go back to a previous point -- right about the time the folks who were apparently traumatized by the games of their youth became decision-makers, and decided that if they could ban childhood outright, they would instead make it as miserable as possible. Why do people who profess to do everything "for the children" appear to, in fact, hate children?

  • ||

    They have pretty much proven that some risky behavior is necessary for full brain development in children. So yeah, they must hate children or want them to grow up to be under developed drones.

  • Loki||

    want them to grow up to be under developed drones.

    Ding! Underdeveloped drones are less likely to question their "betters".

  • Karburetor Kristen||

    I was a marginalized dork and always picked last for sports in school.

    So, rather than banning those activities, if it were me making the decisions, I'd set up a game of dodgeball where all the pussy kids got balls and the big bad bullies had to stand there naked with their arms tied behind their backs.

    Revenge is so much sweeter than sticking your head in the sand.

  • ||

    Yes it is.

  • robc||

    naked with their arms tied behind their backs.

    TMI on your fantasies.

  • Zeb||

    The bullies from when you were in school are still there? They must have been really dumb.

  • Karburetor Kristen||

    At least one of them is - he was my 7th grade English teacher. What an insufferable fuckface that guy was.

  • Ska||

    Hah, I did. In a Catholic school in NYC, no less. It was actually a pretty good way to meet a cute girl in gym class.

  • I Blame Videogames!||

    Did anyone else have to square dance in PE? It never occurred to me to get out of it by claiming it was against my religion.

    In my school claiming something was against your religion would have been grounds for getting your butt kicked by the other kids. Besides, I liked the contact with the girls, and I got paired up with an older girl who had blossomed.

  • ||

    no, we had square-dancing in music class. Since my mom was the librarian at the same school I went to, I managed to weasel my way out of it a few times.

  • ||

    PE? I don't recall that requirement. What I DO recall is spending (way too much) time in the fourth and/or fifth grades in square-dance class. It was an early inkling of just how stupid schoolteachers can be, that they expected self-respecting boys of that age to happily participate.

    Fortunately, it did enable me to figure out early in life that if you consistently prove your inability to do certain things, you'll eventually stop being asked.

  • Monocled Top Hats||

    No children in coal mines?!? Who would we send into the tight crevices if not toddlers? How would we know if the air were safe for the owner to breathe if not for the caged infants?

  • Suki||

    Children in coal mines always reminds me of the Imus ranch for some reason.

  • anarch||

    Devil Dinosauar sounds like fermented chocolate cake.

  • Drax the Destroyer||

    From some reason...it sounds Santorum-related.

  • robc||

    where farm states that get more from the federal government than they pay in

    I have a question about this that no one has been able to answer for me. How is all the spending split up for this calculation? For example, is all spending applied to some state? What state gets credit for murder drones in Oman? Is national defense split proportionately by # of people or by value of the land or some other way?

    Basically, Im calling the entire calculation bullshit.

  • robc||

    And same goes for revenue side.

    I mean, which state gets credit for corporate income tax? Does Delaware get like 50% of the credit? If not, why not?

  • I Blame Videogames!||

    I was just coming to H&R to comment on the NYPost story about all this.

    And if they want to eliminate negative emotions in school, don't they need to at least eliminate tests? Or eliminate kids entirely?

  • Apatheist ಠ_ರೃ||

    Or eliminate kids entirely?

    See government funding of Planned Parenthood.

    Sorry, to hard to resist.

  • Apatheist ಠ_ರೃ||

    For something less controversial around here see progressives who talk about overpopulation and praise China's one child policy.

  • I Blame Videogames!||

    See government funding of Planned Parenthood.
    Sorry, to hard to resist.

    Oh, wow, I can't believe I didn't think of that!
    Considering all of Western Civilization's demographics have gone negative, public funding of abortion seems incredible to me.

  • ||

    There is that Toynbee quote "civilizations do not die, they commit suicide".

  • Zeb||

    I'm 100% for legal abortion and I agree completely. People can damn well pay for their own fuckups.

  • ||

    Exactly.

  • Loki||

    Even “dancing’’ is taboo

    Paging Kevin Bacon...

  • wareagle||

    wow, instead of the stupid stick, it's like the entire forest was used.

  • ||

    I swear I have that issue. Someday soon I really want to spend a weekend going through my collection. Nostalgia can be stress relieving.

  • Suki||

    First up is a classic case of nanny-state stupidity from the unlikely epicenter of so many stupid rules: New York City.
    Now that was funny!

  • wareagle||

    wonder if Nick realizes the irony of his own line. NY stopped being the "unlikely" epicenter when Nanny Bloomberg got his second wind.

  • Apatheist ಠ_ರೃ||

    It was an obvious joke.

  • wareagle||

    it's early here...caffeine deprivation = reduced humor comprehension.

  • shrike||

    Are you thinking what we're thinking?

  • scott peterson||

    say again about satanists.
    i'll be in the area all century.

  • ||

    Speaking of helicopter parents, I get regular updates from a friend of mine who works in the admissions office at FSU and teaches a class. At least once a month he's bitching about some parent of a 20y.o. student sending him emails about their little snowflake's class. He has a FERPA form email ready to go for it. But really? Emailing your adult student's teachers?

  • ||

    My wife worked in higher ed for years. And that has been going on for a while. Sad.

  • wareagle||

    I actually had one grad school professor not only complain about that, but also about the state of public education. And this woman was as left as can be.

  • Karburetor Kristen||

    My PhD candidate (actually, now officially Dr.) friend loves to tell tales of helicopter parents at her institution. I'm always agape.

  • BakedPenguin||

    The word "ban" causes hurt feelings in my soul. I'd like to ask that the government stop using it.

  • robc||

    OT: Is it annoying you how close it looks like you were to winning the bet?

  • Auric Demonocles||

    I graduated just a couple years ago and I even forgot to tell my parents when graduation was (and that I wasn't planning on going). They usually found out that school was over for the semester because I'd call and say "Hey, can you come pick me up on Saturday?"

  • Butts Wagner||

    Mellow greetings, Reason! What seems to be your boggle?

  • Auric Demonocles||

    Did the AM Links thread just squirrel out for anyone else?

  • db||

    Option Comment Lockdown has been executed.

  • 7 proxies motherfucker||

    they're trying to figure out how to deal with it.

    By the way, anon, Rev Blue Moon, I LOVE that you actually shot off your idiot mouths about the 7 proxies comment.

    I love that you completely don't get it.

  • why are you so mad Mary?||

    What you so mad bro?

  • why are you so mad Mary?||

    What you so mad bro?

  • BWAHAHAAH||

    YOU DON'T GET IT EITHER!!!

    AWESOME!!!

    YOU SOOOOO MAD!!!

  • You made bro?||

    What's wrong bro? Need a hug?

  • Citizen Nothing||

    Wait. Haven't hugs been banned?

  • BWAHAHAAH||

    YOU DON'T GET IT EITHER!!!

    AWESOME!!!

    YOU SOOOOO MAD!!!

  • ||

    It is coming bitch. Have fun while you can.

  • I am||

    "It is coming bitch. Have fun while you can."

    I am.

  • Rev. Blue Moon ||

    Bring it on. The fun with changing handles is worth the tradeoff to get rid of you.

  • Alack||

    It won't get rid of anyone; they'll just make a million fucking gmail accounts and register them as necessary.

  • Rev. Blue Moon ||

    Alack, that sort of thing may happen, but you have to admit that is a much more cumbersome process than just using a free Indonesian proxy/anonymizer.

  • BWAHAHA||

    Which is much more cumbersome than an intelligent solution.

    Jesus, you REALLY DON'T GET IT do you?

    Fuck, you said "using a free Indonesian proxy/anonymizer.", you proved it irrefutably right there.

  • ||

    They will. But they will have to re-register from a new IP address every time they get banned. It will at least slow them down.

    Sadly, Reason has attracted the attention of real digital brownshirts.

  • BWAHAHA||

    "It will at least slow them down."

    Not even a little you sad crybaby fuck.

  • ||

    A 12 hour hold on all comment handle registrations would certainly slow her down.

  • Citizen Nothing||

    What if this is all a false-flag operation by one of the regulars who favors registration? What if Eleanor Roosevelt could fly?

  • invisible furry hand||

    they would have to really, really want registration - propagating this stupidity would be almost as bad as enduring it.

    Christ, is that Eleanor Roosevelt dive-bombing us?

  • Yup||

    Citizen Nothing|3.27.12 @ 10:43AM
    What if this is all a false-flag operation by one of the regulars who favors registration?

    We have a winner!

  • Citizen Nothing||

    We have a winner!

    Ok. Now about the Eleanor Roosevelt thing...

  • robc||

    24 hour hold, IMO.

  • Citizen Nothing||

    If it really is a conniving regular, that's pretty whack.

  • 1998||

    "that's pretty whack"

    Hello? I need that back please.

  • Rev. Blue Moon ||

    What don't I get, sunshine? Seven proxies don't do you any good.

  • BWAHAHA||

    "What don't I get, sunshine? Seven proxies don't do you any good."

    1) wrong

    2) you STILL DON'T GET IT

    AHAHAHAHAHA SO AWESOME!

  • ||

    We get it Mary. You are angry, bitter and nuts. And you are really angry we know who you are now. You just want to shit on the threads. We get it. You just can't stand the idea that anyone anywhere is allowed to say things you don't like.

    If you had balls and this were a different age, you would be throwing bricks through our windows. You are a nasty piece of shit. We get it Mary. You don't need to prove yourself.

  • Nope||

    "We get it Mary. You are angry, bitter and nuts."

    Says the guy "stalking" me (John's definition) all over this thread.

  • The Real Mary Stack||

    I think I broke John's brain!

  • ||

    Would you explain what you mean for the rest of the class?

  • Ice Nine||

    Yes. Frankly, I was expecting something like this after all this Mary Stack frenzy.

  • Citizen Nothing||

    This is why nobody takes libertarians seriously!

  • Auric Demonocles||

    You bastards, I had a snarky comment for P Brooks about ditchdiggers and Congresscritters.

  • ||

    "I don't mind good government and good laws. Sometimes, the laws can over-reach."

    Good Government = price supports.

  • Greg Gauthier||

    The real danger to a child is not the environment OUTSIDE the home. It's the environment INSIDE it. And it's not the inanimate objects around the house. It's his own parents. Until this nation is willing to do some serious staring into a mirror around our willingness to be violent with them (both emotionally and physically), children will always be in danger, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with comic book dinosaurs, BPA plastics, corn syrup, or exposed electrical outlets.

  • ||

    But doing that would require admitting some really unpleasant truths. One of the biggest ones being that parents almost never molest their biological children. And admitting that would mean that perhaps getting divorced and bringing large numbers of strange men around your children might be a little risky. And we can't have that. Better to ban teeter totters.

  • wareagle||

    greg,
    how about adding to your list the parents whose kids go home with food backpacks for the weekend. While school systems and other headpatters and do-goooders congratulate themselves for their noble effort, it fails to cross their pea brains that a kid NOT being fed at home is a sign of horribly bad parenting.

  • ||

    Terrorism is deemed too scary. Slavery is also on the forbidden list.

    In. Fucking. Credible.

  • ||

    It has apparently, with the eager assistance of many, achieved its goal.

  • Loki||

    OT: Has anyone else lost the ability to post comments on Morning Links? For some reason I don't have the the ability to reply to other comments or post my own. Anyone else have that problem?

    http://reason.com/blog/2012/03.....s#comments

  • ||

    Everyone does. Mary Stack went berserk and trolled the thread and they had to shut it down.

  • Loki||

    I figured it was something like that, I just hadn't gotten that far down the thread, thanks.

  • ||

    I know your name and address Mary. I wouldn't count my chickens on the legal action part.

  • BWAHAHA||

    "I know your name and address Mary"

    Then I guess it's a good thing I'm not Mary.

  • Yup||

    John thinks everyone is Mary.
    Kind of hilarious how he's playing Paranoid Whack-A-Mole.

  • Nope||

    Well, I'm loving it.

    It would be even better if I could goad his stupid ass into actually taking legal action, but he's way too much of a chicken shit to actually do anything other than threaten it.

  • BWAHAHA||

    "I know your name and address Mary. I wouldn't count my chickens on the legal action part."

    By the way, fuckstick, MAKE YOUR PLAY. You seem to think vaguely threatening legal action is scary or something.

  • Citizen Nothing||

    Cripple fight!!!!

  • ||

    "Cripple fight!!!!"

    See, there's a man who knows his limitations.

  • Citizen Jimmy||

    Th-th-thanks! Yo-yo-you're a g-great audience!

  • Nope||

    Stick with Citizen Nothing, it lets us know what to expect from your posts.

  • db||

    Option COMMENT LOCKDOWN has been executed.

    It's the only way.

  • ||

    I had a snarky comment for P Brooks about ditchdiggers and Congresscritters.

    I considered going with "cable news anchorpersons".

  • Auric Demonocles||

    I don't think Congresscritters could do that either. Anchors are supposed to be dumb but not ugly.

  • ||

    Congressholes. (I hope I made that up.)

  • Fluffy||

    Mary Stack is fat and old.

    I just thought it beared repeating.

  • ||

    It always does. But don't forget, angry, bitter and stupid. And vulgar too. And not in a good way.

  • invisible furry hand||

    What would happen if someone went up to her house, knocked on the door, and introduced themselves (perfectly politely and pleasantly) by their H&R handle? Would she go bonkers, or be too cowardly to do it in person?

  • ||

    She would shit her pants and call the cops. I am in DFW once in a while. I am very tempted to go by and have coffee with Ms. Stack.

  • Yup||

    Nice fantasy. Why don't you do it?

  • ||

    I think I might. You wouldn't want to meet me for coffee the next time I am in DFW?

  • Nope||

    "I think I might. You wouldn't want to meet me for coffee the next time I am in DFW?"

    No, I wouldn't, you pathetically threaten people with moronically untenable legal action.

    Who would want to spend time with that?

  • ||

    Apparently you would Mary. You seem to be really obsessed with me. Don't you want to meet me in person? Come on Mary, you and I. Lets set a date. Do you have the guts?

  • Nope||

    "Apparently you would Mary"

    See, this is the part I love, he STILL thinks it's "mary".

    I love it.

    "Do you have the guts?"

    I'd file suit if I thought I had a case, which means I have more than you.

  • ||

    You are going to sue me for having coffee with you? I bet you are a barrel of laughs on a date. It is a free country. I can go to DFW just like everyone else. And I can rent a car and I can come see you. Why not?

  • Nope||

    "You are going to sue me for having coffee with you? "

    Um, no you really can't read well can you?

    get back to work, I'm paying you.

  • ||

    For the same reason I threaten legal action but never follow through.

    Apart from the fact that my strongest claim is "stalking" which is laughable, I am a chickenshit fuck who talks but doesn't walk.

  • ||

    You are really angry about this Mary. I don't understand why. I just want to come and have a cup of coffee with you. Maybe you can explain gamboling too me. I do get to DFW. Come on, you can tell me all about it. What is wrong?

  • Nope||

    "You are really angry about this Mary. "

    See, this is the part I love, he STILL thinks it's "mary".

    I love it.

  • ||

    Good for you Mary. We know who you are. And we don't even feel sorry for you anymore.

  • Nope||

    "Good for you Mary. We know who you are"

    See, this is the part I love, he STILL thinks it's "mary".

    I love it.

  • Citizen Nothing||

    MNG?!!!!!!
    They bite, they fight!

  • The Real Mary Stack||

    I broke John's brain.

  • Fluffy||

    Don't be silly.

    Who has time to even notice the existence of fat women in their 50's?

    Everything I read tells me that fat women in their 50's feel invisible when they go out in public. They must be right, because I never notice them in public myself. Their cloak of fat old lady invisibility must block my eyes.

    "Go to her house" - ha! She wishes someone - anyone - would go to her house.

  • ||

    The animal control does show up to ticket her for her 50 stray cats once a month or so. And her social worker comes occasionally too.

  • invisible furry hand||

    God, is that my future? Say it ain't so!

  • Invisible Finger||

    You're reminding me of those Dimensions magazine links Tim Cavanaugh used to scare us with.

  • ||

    When I was in grammar school the sheriff's dept would come to the school yearly and give shooting exhibitions. The NRA came 4th- 6th grade and gave gun safety and hunting safety classes.
    Now, when I hear stories about some kid expelled for drawing a picture of a gun or pointing his finger gun-style, I want to kick the living shit out of a school administrator. Hmmm and for good measure a teacher too.

  • Citizen Nothing||

    See. All that exposure to guns made you violent.

  • ||

    You say that like it is a bad thing.

  • Citizen Nothing||

    Yeah. I shoulda added a "NTTAWWT."

  • ||

    I have no idea what NTTAWWT means.
    All I can say is that aggression is bad, violence isnt.

  • invisible furry hand||

    Wow, you really don't know what NTTAWWT means... not that there's anything wrong with that, of course...

  • ||

    :)

  • The Amazing Kreskin||

    Can you prove it didn't happen?

  • T||

    If we're gonna keep waging perpetual war, we need some violent young men who have familiarity with firearms.

  • Tulip||

    I had gun safety training in 6th grade (sponsored by the NRA) in the elementary school gym. Beebee guns and all! It was the only place available. Hunting is big in my home town. So now, if they don't allow guns on school property, are all those kids really safer? The guns are still there and teens still go hunting.

  • Romulus Augustus||

    Blame most of this shit on lawyers. Too many coming along in law school, and too many under-employed and looking to gin up cases to make money.

  • ||

    True. But lawyers need plaintiffs. I blame most of it on our society deciding that every bad things that happens to someone must be compensated.

  • Nope||

    "I blame most of it on our society deciding that every bad things that happens to someone must be compensated."

    Says the disingenuous asshole who threatened legal action over a true statement about someone with the same name as him.

    Jesus, you're a sad joke.

  • ||

    Why are you so mad Mary? I don't understand. Are you afraid of something?

  • Nope||

    See, this is the part I love, he STILL thinks it's "mary".

    I love it.

  • Nope||

    "Are you afraid of something?"

    Nope. Despite you trying to threaten me.

    Why so mad John? Why threaten people if you're not mad?

  • ||

    I am not threatening you. I just want to come to DFW and meet you in person. What is threatening about that?

  • Nope||

    "I am not threatening you."

    I didn't say you were.

    I said you were TRYING to threaten me, but you're pathetic, and I'm not mary, so it's worthless.

    By the way, get back to work, I'm paying you.

  • ||

    Hate to nitpick, but no you didn't say that.

    Why so mad John? Why threaten people if you're not mad?

    There is no trying in those two sentences.

  • you're a racist we get it||

    "Hate to nitpick, but no you didn't say that."

    Yes moron, I did.

    "Nope. Despite you trying to threaten me."

    THAT WAS BEFORE THE SENTENCE YOU QUOTED IDIOT, AND THE SENTENCE YOU QUOTED IS A QUESTION, NOT A CLAIM OR ASSERTION.

    How fucking stupid are you that you choose to "nitpick" something and totally make an idiot of yourself in doing so?

  • Joe M||

    It's the difference between "shit happens" and "who's fault is this?"

  • Joe M||

    "who's whose fault is this?"

    Dang it.

  • Invisible Finger||

    New laws would keep teens under 16 from operating nearly all power-driven farm equipment. Legislation would prohibit anyone under 18 from working at a grain elevator, feed lot or similar facility....

    Goddamn Amish lobbyists...

  • ||

    Nope.

  • Nope||

    get back to work you pathetic fuck, I'm paying you

  • HE MAD!!!||

    Nope.

    OH NO!

    I HIT A NERVE!

    HE MAD!

  • Citizen Nothing||

    ALL CAPS?!!
    The fucking gloves are off!!!

  • ||

    you work hard to live up to your name

  • Citizen Nothing||

    Says (blank). OK, that made me laugh.

  • ||

    You know who else works for the state? A regular here...starts with "Sug..."

    I've said too much. Email me for the goods!

  • ||

    funny how john runs like a bitch when he's outed as a welfare whore

  • ||

    Well, he's never claimed to be libertarian hypocrite. He's a conservative hypocrite. There's a difference: One of them believes in god.

  • Brian||

    Commenting here is a lot more valuable then anything he could be doing at a government job.

  • ||

    except he's getting paid dumbass.

    your snark for the loss.

  • invisible furry hand||

    +1 Brian

  • Tonio||

    RE the tireless trolls: Doesn't matter whether it's one person, or several. The only thing that works is ignoring it. This maddens it. Sure it will post more, in hopes of getting attention. Eventually it will reach the point of frustration and find another group of people to annoy. We are going to have to be strong and united here. Which will be difficult.

    Sure, registration would impede it somewhat, but we are dependent upon the Reason staff for that.

    The only other solution we could implement on our own is to take our discussions off of H&R to a site we control.

    Finally, if it is mentally ill, it's obviously not going to be moved by rational suasion. Also, it's bad form to pick on the insane, no matter how annoying they are. That only allows it to play the victim card and paint us as insensitive to the plight of the mentally ill.

  • ||

    "The only thing that works is ignoring it."

    So you're new and not very observant, thanks for the heads up

  • ||

    See you later, shit-flinging monkeys.

    I'm going skiing.

  • ||

    Easter Egg Hunt story link is bad.

  • Laurie||

    How does ballet get a free pass? Won't it evoke sad pangs of underprivilege and body image issues?

  • Danny Haszard||

    Jehovah's Witnesses reject Birthdays all holidays,Thanksgiving even benign Mother's day.
    The Watchtower leaders want to be 'different' for the sake of being different.Jehovah's Witnesses are a dysfunctional group from the get-go .
    Christmas-Jesus was not born on exactly Dec 25th,but he also did not have his *invisible* second coming in the month of October 1914,a falsehood that is the core doctrine of the Watchtower religion.
    --
    *tell the truth don't be afraid*--Danny Haszard

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