Breaking: Baseball Manager Says Something Smart, About Alcohol Prohibition

Baseball managers are not exactly know for being the sharpest tools in the crayon box, but Tampa Bay Rays skipper Joe Maddon not only wears fancy-lad glasses, he also said something very refreshing to hear from anyone, let alone a grown man who works in tight pajamas. In regards to some recent discussion about banning alcohol in big-league clubhouses in the wake of some pointless Red Sox controversy, Maddon went off:

"I'm not into knee-jerk reactions," the Rays manager told "If somebody had all of these wonderful thoughts prior to this happening I may be more on board with it, or more empathetic to it. But all of this knee-jerk stuff that occurs in our game absolutely drives me crazy. If you want to be proactive about some thoughts, go ahead, be proactive and I'm all for that. But to say a grown-up can't have a beer after a game? Give me a break. That is, I'm going to use the word, 'asinine,' because it is. Let's bring the Volstead Act back, OK. Let's go right back to prohibition and start legislating everything all over again. All that stuff pretty much annoys me, as you can tell."

Maddon, whose team is one of 13 in Major League Baseball to allow beer in the clubhouse, said that players at the big league level should be allowed to regulate themselves in regard to such activities as the use of beer in the clubhouse.

"I don't understand any of that. Do we sell beer in the ballpark? These people who attend the games have a much greater chance of becoming drunk by the time they leave than a baseball player does," he said. "Most of the time if you have a beer after the game, it's one, maybe two, and that's it. I have a glass of wine. I defend there's not a thing wrong with that. If they want to start pulling beers out of clubhouses they better start pulling them out of ballparks, too, because that's a higher percentage chance of something going awry.

"I'm not a big rules guy. Whenever you start enforcing the rule thing, and when you start regulating too much and take it out of their own hands ... they're not babies. These guys are old enough to understand. These guys are grown-ups and why would I attempt to regulate their behavior? What I talk to my guys about is right and wrong and I have a sign in my clubhouse that says, 'Integrity has no need of rules.' And I believe that. I believe if you give your guys the freedom to make the right choices and talk to them about it.... Of course they're going to screw up. I'm going to screw up, we're all going to screw up. But at the end of the day if you handle it in that manner you have a chance for it to become more permanent and more accepted and it becomes part of your culture in a good way."

Link via Baseball Primer.

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  • Paul||

    That is, I'm going to use the word, 'asinine,' because it is. Let's bring the Volstead Act back, OK. Let's go right back to prohibition and start legislating everything all over again.

    Wish granted.

  • rts||

    Now this is trolling.

  • WTF||

    White idiot, take note.

  • ||

    She won't. It's rectal, after all.

  • WTF||

    Yeah, and she's far too lazy to put in that kind of effort.

  • fish||

    Yeah, and she's far too lazy to put in that kind of effort>

    Crazy requires a certain level of dedication!

  • All the Rectals||

    Paranoid much, "Episiarch"?

  • Urkobold™||


  • Robert||

    I always apply echo chamber mentally to The Urkobold's pronouncements. Hercule Triathlon Savinien's, not so much -- more like a muffled sound coming from a padded room, but sometimes instead I hear him like he's shouting over jackhammer noise.

  • Urkobold™||


  • Cliché Bandit||

    HERC 2012!!!

  • Devil's Advocate||

    I have missed you, Herc.

  • The Art-P.O.G.||

    So have I. What HERC offends with (walls of text apropos of nothing), he makes up for in discretion.

  • The Art-P.O.G.||

    I have no idea why [G.I.] is in brackets the second time, and you know what? I wouldn't have it any other way. That's art.

  • o2||

    lets hear ozzie's thoughts...hopefully w/o the swearing

  • ||

    The Red Sox "controversy" at least in my mind has little to do with the beer. The problem was that of their 3 highest paid pitchers - 2 got noticeably fatter and more out of shape as the season went on. And all three pitched like absolute crap during the last month and a half.

    Baseball doesn't need more rules. The Red Sox just need coaches who will require professional athletes to stay in condition.

  • Matt Welch||

    Wasn't one of the three pitching through a ruined elbow?

  • ||

    His elbow was ravaged by the effects of alcohol.

  • Theo Epstein||

    Screw this, Im gonna go work for a more disfunctional club.

  • Jeffersonian||

    Mission accomplished!!

  • ||

    Looks like Lackey will have elbow surgery - he needs liposuction as well. A bad elbow doesn't explain the continuous expansion of his gut.

  • WTF||

    Maybe he got his bad elbow from too many 12-oz. curls?

  • Russ 2000||

    Sounds more like karma for dumping his wife right after being diagnosed with breast cancer.

  • ||

    No Lackey the titties.

  • Rob||

    He still fared better than John Edwards.

  • Tman||

    The controversy about "beer in the clubhouse" was, like most Red Sox controversies, entirely manufactured by the asinine sports writers at the Boston Globe.

    In the 2004 playoffs (the one with the miracle comeback agains the Spankees) Kevin Millar bragged about how they did whiskey shots before the game to "settle their nerves". Back then this was seen as just a part of the free-wheelin' idiots of that particular roster who finally put the Babe Ruth Curse (the curse that again was entirely manufactured by Dan Shaughnessy at the Globe) to bed.

    The Globe should be banned from the Red Sox clubhouse until they stop acting like a cross between the Enquirer and the 700 club.

  • Restoras||

    ^^^THIS and only this. The Boston Globe and its sports writers are a joke.

  • ||

    Want a good joke - read about how they outed the lady who helped the FBI catch Whitey Bulger.

  • Tman||

    Please god don't talk about Whitey. I can't call anyone in Boston without them talking about it like it's the most important topic in the universe.

    No one outside of Boston cares about Whitey, but Damon and Affleck are going to change that by making a movie about him.

    I am convinced that Damon and Affleck are half the reason people are disgusted with Massholes. We used to be able to keep things local, but their success exposed the world to just how horrible Bostonians and their fellow Massholes can be.

    Still glad I left at 18 and will never move back.

  • ||

    I left for good at 25. I don't care much about Whitey either. But the Globe still does - and helped him with some revenge against the women who turned him in.

  • squarooticus||

    I moved *to* the Boston area 13 years ago. It has changed a huge amount in that time. I'd basically describe it as having MPD: there is the old guard comprising most of the power elite in the three densest cities (Boston, Cambridge, Somerville) as well as still dominating the populace on the North Shore and in the Dedham area.

    But the new guard comprises people who didn't grow up here but moved here from elsewhere and will eventually wrest political power from the old guard in the aforementioned urban areas. They've already basically taken over Quincy and much of the South Shore and Metrowest as the old guard is priced out and moves away. It's just a matter of time. The old boy networking and buddy-buddy bullshit that ran this town for so long is slowly dying in the face of changing demographics.

    The good stuff—hockey, restaurant culture, lots of young people—will remain, but the rest of it will be swept away. I can go an entire day without hearing a single person speak in a Boston accent.

  • ||

    I think most thriving urban areas are like that. Here in Chicago, I swear there are entire neighborhoods with more Ann Arbor kids than native Chicagoans. As long as they learn how to play 16" softball and eat Italian beef when they get here, I'm cool with it.

  • Tman||

    I grew up reading Bob Ryan and Leigh Montville, who were two of the best sportswriters to ever grace the Globe.

    Ever since Curly Haired Boy became the lead writer the sports section has gone to pot. It's just terrible now.

    Ryan still puts up some quality stuff but Shaughnessy should never be allowed to write about Boston Sports for a major newspaper ever again. The dude is a HACK who manufactured the "curse" about Babe Ruth to sell some freaking books. He disgusts me.

  • ||

    Shaughnessy is almost single handedly responsible for most of the country despising the Red Sox. The Red Sox were never a hated franchise until Shaughessy started the myth the Red Sox fans somehow had it worse then Cubs or Indians or White Sox or Phillies fans.

  • ||

    What the fuck is an Indians "fan?"

  • Atanarjuat||

    Growing up, the pastor of my Panama City, FL church claimed to be an Indians fan, and in fact he eventually moved back to Cleveland to be closer to family.

  • ||

    As a Chicagoan, I'll take Peter Gammons' ramblings over this kind of nonsense any day of the week. That being said, I think sports journalism in general has been one great race to the bottom for the last fifteen years.

  • ||

    Haw - Enjoy Theo, he's the one that was drinking heavily last year while bidding on free-agents.

  • ||

    I can't blame Theo too much for the splurging... If Henry wanted to give him the money, why shouldn't he spend it?

  • Apatheist||

    Yep, see Liverpool FC.

  • Mokers||

    They are all better than anything Mike Lupica has to say.

  • SFC B||

    I think mainstream sports media took the wrong lesson from ESPN. The print folks try to emulate the bombast and fluff of television since that's where the big money is. But what the local print folks could provide: interesting, in-depth analysis of the local teams, wound up being done by the internet folks. A decade ago a major news paper could have had Christina Karhl, Joe Sheehan, or any of the original Baseball Prospectus writers writing and doing research for them. But they chose to keep with Dan, the Redheaded-Stepchild.

    And they then wonder why their business is sunk.

  • Chuck||

    Bingo. This was all ginned up by Dan Shaughnessy as a way to get around his absolutely-embarrassing-in-retrospect prediction that this year's Sox would be better than the '27 Yankees.

  • MJ||

    How did th profession of sports reporter go from a reputation of being (marginally) functional alcoholics to teetotaling prudes?

  • Gimbolet||

    "Whenever you start enforcing the rule thing, and when you start regulating too much and take it out of their own hands ... they're not babies. These guys are old enough to understand. These guys are grown-ups and why would I attempt to regulate their behavior?"


  • Warty||

    Baseball, beer, whatever. The important thing is that HERC IS FUCKING BACK, [BITCHES].

  • WTF||

    Nice post, Warty. People with PhDs who probably make more than you are trying to have an adult conversation with subsatnce.

  • ||

    Warty is a substance abuser and should be banned in baseball clubhouses.

  • Citizen Nothing||

    Oh, for fuck's sake.

  • WTF||

    subsatnce = substance, only moreso

  • Warty||

    What's next, are you going to post something from a feminist blog that you find amusing?

  • Mainer||

    Herc ! [HERC!] Herc !

  • Name Nomad||

  • Warty||

    She doesn't look too chunky to motorboat, preferably while playing that Jewharp.

  • ||

    She doesn't look too chunky to do a lot of things to. As for the music, though, I just don't get theatrical folk metal. It's like, "I wanna rock, but I don't want to leave the Renaissance Fair."

  • Name Nomad||

    You should've waited for the black metal vocals about a minute in. As for the folk metal, it's the instrumentation mostly that I like. It sounds more complex and interesting to me.

  • ||

    I stuck around for it. Would be much more my style if they lost the synth strings (though, for the record, I think only own two metal albums that are less than ten years old so take my criticism for what its worth).

  • Devil's Advocate||

    I always wonder if it hurts their throats to sing like that. It hurts mine when I try it. Still, it seems like the Scandinavians put out the best metal. I don't know why. Perhaps the long, cold winters fill them full of existential angst that they must purge by musically screaming out their rage.

    (I liked it, thanks for the link.)

  • Gojira||

    Ahem, that's Renaissance Faire!

  • Robert||

    Herc is back, fucking bitches?

  • ||

    Joe Maddon: anti-prohibitionist; snazzy dresser.

  • ||

    The prohibitionist mindset is so powerful, and so kowtowed to, that we will never, ever legalize drugs. It just stuns me how instantly people defer to it. Even this guy, who is admirable in his resistance, still feels the need to equivocate and say that he'd be more on board if it wasn't knee-jerk, and that they have only one or two beers.

    Fuck the nannies. FUCK THEM.

  • Apatheist||

    He was talking about MLB, not the government. I can understand why, from a business perspective, MLB doesn't want the public thinking its players are getting loaded after every game. He correctly points out that this is a bullshit knee-jerk overreaction AND correctly points out that if it was more pervasive it would be a problem.

  • Mainer||

    "we're all going to screw up"

    zero tolerance, baby

  • The Art-P.O.G.||

    Man. Maddon sounds old-school in the way I approve of.

  • Gojira||

    Oh Matt, slightly OT, but I wanted to thank you for gifting us Napoli. Without him, I fear we wouldn't even be in the WS, let alone with a strong potential to win it.

  • Matt Welch||

    You're welcome! I hope you're following TheGreatNapoli on Twitter; it's awesome.

  • Gojira||

    Hey, that's AL West teamwork!

  • ||

    Love that Madden--he's one heck of a manager.

  • ||

    Sorry, Maddon. Danged fingers.

  • Madden||

    Boom! You see, what happens is that your fingers sometimes slip and you accidently type the wrong letter. That is how typos occur.

    Now, if you want to prevent typos, you gotta put Favre in.

  • ||

    PL, Madden was funnier.

    [upon tagout] "HE GOT THOSE BIG PAWS ON 'IM!"

  • ||

    This is funny Madden.

  • Warty||

    Whatever you're saying, I completely agree. FUCK JOHN BOY

  • ||

    It's just like you to be against the scholar in the family, you anti-intellectual.

  • ||

    Okay, so who are the Israelis in this Waltons' analogy? Those old ladies who made moonshine? (Just looked it up--the Baldwin sisters.)

  • Warty||

    You know what sucks about being a Baldwin? NOTHING

  • ||

    They were the Depression equivalent of hooker/pushers.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    The dirty little family secret is that Mary Ellen Walton almost married a Jew.

  • ||

    As libertarians, don't we believe in employers regulating their employees, and an employee's right to go work somewhere else if they don't like how the employer treats them?

    This isn't Wal-Mart or migrant farm work. I can guarantee you that if anyone wants to quit this job, there are at least 1.1 billion* other applicants that would be willing to do that job with that beer rule in place.

    * All of the Americas, plus Japan and Korea.

  • Robert||

    I knew there'd be a post saying that. Yes, of course, but this has nothing to do directly with rights. The reasons given for baseball clubs to ban beer are mostly the same as used for gov'ts to ban it, so arguing against one is pretty well arguing against the other.

  • ||

    I agree that this sucks and/or is stupid, and such things often remind me of the government.

    We can sit here and say "Well, that is a dumb rule." I believe that is what we are all saying (including me).

    But we also need to be saying that they are certainly entitled to make that rule.
    The government, on the other hand, can suck it.

    Anyway, it's not like the players don't have an incredibly strong bargaining position if they feel this is an important issue, vis a vis their union. That's a lot more power than most of us have when it comes to spending our labor capital.

  • ||

    Its an employers right to be stupid, and our right to mock and abuse them for it.

    See? Everybody wins!

  • ||

    Trust me, I do mock them. Bud Selig, especially.

  • Zeb||

    I would say that if a coach or team manager wants to ban drinking in the locker room, they should. It's just silly to act like the whole league needs a rule about it.
    And what RC Dean said. Libertarians are allowed opinions on other subjects.

  • ||’s-‘unreachable’-man-in-the-white-house/

    The House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform led by Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) is investigating to what extent the White House was aware of — or involved in — the “Fast and Furious” gunwalking scandal.

    The committee recently requested to speak with former White House National Security Staffer Kevin O’Reilly. According to CBS News reporter Sharyl Attkisson, the Obama administration answered:

    O’Reilly is on assignment for the State Department in Iraq and unavailable.

    Through a tip, PJ Media learned that Kevin O’Reilly was unexpectedly named director of the International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Bureau for Iraq (INL-Iraq). Long-time INL-Iraq employee Virginia Ramadan had been expected to get the position — many were quite surprised when she did not.

    The previous occupants of the Director, INL-Iraq position — Joe Manso and Francisco Palmieri — were not considered “unreachable” to press or government access. A quick internet search reveals Palmieri, while director, attended a media event on August 23, 2010.

    On October 21, PJ Media reporter Patrick Richardson called the number for Office of the Director, INL-Iraq:

    1-240-553-0581, ext. 3275

    Richardson reached a voicemail message confirming that it was indeed the correct number. He left a message that was not returned.

    I thin if I were O'Reily, I wouldn't leave the compound. An stray IED would just be way to convenient for the Chicago gang at this point. They sent the poor bastard to Iraq?

  • ||

    They sent the poor bastard to Iraq?

    Makes sense. He's an expert on running guns to armed gangs. Probably a lot of that in Iraq.

  • ||

    And he will be out and about where lots of things can happen to him. I will be surprised if he is still alive come Christmas.

  • The Art-P.O.G.||

    Also, it's clearly impossible to contact the United States from a major base in Iraq.

  • cynical||

    Chicago gang? Holder and Napolitano got their major career boosts under Clinton I, and O'Reilly is linked to Hillary as well. And which department transferred him to Iraq? State, run by none other than...

    The Chicago gang is just interested in graft, this police state shit is all House Clinton. I remember Waco, Elian, the Clipper Chip, FBI file controversy, etc. Good times. If Obama had any sense, he would purge them all and bring in nothing but Chicago loyalists.

  • Russ 2000||

    How could Maddon ever stand working with Mike Scioscia?

  • mr lizard||

    GO RAYS!

  • ||


  • The Bearded Hobbit||

    I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the obligatory champagne being sprayed all over the locker room after big wins. People guzzling wine directly from the bottle? Teh horror!

    Or better still, the wine that gets poured into the trophy in auto racing and then consumed by drivers!!

    What if some children saw that?!?!

    ... Hobbit

  • ||

    Has anybody noticed how much stupider Mike Scioscia has gotten since he lost Joe Maddon as a bench coach? Jes' sayin'...

  • Jeffersonian||

    Being from and in St. Louis, I'd be burned at the stake if I was ever caught with anything but a Cardinal cap on, but I might just have to slip on a Rays cap now and then in honor of their sensible manager.

  • ||

    Baseball managers are not exactly know [sic] for being the sharpest tools in the crayon box...

    ...let alone a grown man who works in tight pajamas.

    Matt: Is someone butthurt because he got stuck in RF as a kid?

  • The Art-P.O.G.||

    I think Yogi Berra was smarter than he seemed. I mean, he couldn't accidentally consistently make clever turns of phrase, could he?

    Also, re: tight pajamas, I think Matt's just slightly envious. I mean, I can't think of anything cooler to wear to work.

  • Nike Dunk High||



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