Romney Damns Himself Even When He Tells the Truth About RomneyCare

Mitt Romney’s response to Rick Santorum’s merciless attacks in Las Vegas that RomneyCare made him unfit to be the Republican presidential nominee was one big exasperated sigh: "I’m sorry Rick that you find so much to dislike in my plan, but I’ll tell you the people of Massachusetts like it by about a three-to-one margin.”  (So there!)

Romney wasn't lying—unlike the rest of the night when he littered the stage with half-truths and falsehoods that Matt Welch helpfully listed yesterday. But should Romney be drawing attention to RomneyCare polls?

Let’s see.

Romney’s stat likely came from a June survey by the Harvard School of Public Health and the Boston Globe that found that support for RomneyCare in the Bay State was holding steady at around 63 percent. But here’s something else that The Boston Globe reported that Romney forgot to mention:

[O]pposition has grown to one of its central elements — the requirement that people who can afford insurance buy it or face a fine...

Forty-four percent said they oppose the mandate in the Massachusetts law, compared with 35 percent who opposed it in a 2008 poll. Still, the mandate retains the support of a narrow 51 percent majority of residents.

But things get even worse for Romney when Bay State Republicans and independents are polled. An April survey by the New Hampshire Journal found that a majority of these folks (who’ll be voting in the GOP primaries) were less than enthusiastic about RomneyCare. In fact, 53 percent of the GOPers polled said they wanted the law repealed. Only 29 percent wanted to keep it and about 18 percent were undecided. Furthermore, reports the Journal:

Overall the plan is unpopular with Massachusetts Republicans. Fifty-one percent have an unfavorable opinion of it (Thirty-four percent view it very unfavorably) while only thirty percent view it favorably.

All of this suggests that had the Bay State been less liberal, RomneyCare would have been less popular. (But then again, there might not have been a RomneyCare.)

What’s more, even the popularity that it enjoys among liberals might have something to do with the fact that they don’t actually have to pick up the full tab for its uninspiring results. Romney deflected Rick Perry’s attacks by noting that Texas had a 30 percent rate of uninsured while Massachusetts only 1.9 percent. But how many of the uninsured actually gained coverage because of RomneyCare? A measely 4.5 percent. Pre-RomneyCare, the Bay State’s insurance rate was 93.6 percent And post-RomneyCare? 98.1 percent.

The total price tag for extending coverage to this small sliver of the Bay State population as of June was a whopping $2.12 billion. But if Massachusetts taxpayers aren't more disgusted and disappointed, it might be because they are paying for only 18 percent of the debacle, according to Conn Carol of the Washington Examiner. Where did the rest come from? Carol explains:

Thanks to waivers, special deals with the federal government, and stimulus dollars, the federal government picked up another 64 percent of the costs while private health insurance consumers picked up the rest of the tab (through higher premiums and co-pays passed on by hospitals and insurers). Looking ahead to next year, the state is expected to be almost $200 million short of paying for the program. Overall, total state health care spending has grown from 30 percent of the budget in 2006 to 40 percent today. The national average is 25 percent.

In short, Romney might have purchased the popularity of RomneyCare by sticking it to federal taxpayers.

Way to go, Mitt!

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  • sasob||

    Anyone who wants to get an idea of Romney's real attitude toward individual liberties and the likes and dislikes of the people should have seen his responses about four debates ago. He was being pressed to answer whether he thought the individual mandate was unconstitutional, not only at the federal level, but also at the state level. Asked what he thought about the law forcing people to do or buy something they didn't want, his petulant reply was essentially (but not an exact quote,) "Well so what? The law forces people to do things all the time that they don't want to do."

    Romney doesn't give a damn what people like or don't like or about their freedoms - he, himself, and the government know best what's good for everyone. He ought to go back to selling cars instead of pretending he's any different than Obama.

  • Tony||

    Government can imprison you and execute you.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Proud of your VP, Tony?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxxotkX9ZOo

    Oh, and has imprisonment and execution gone down since Obama was elected?

    Yeah, I thought not.

  • ||

    his petulant reply was essentially (but not an exact quote,)

    Look the exact quote up and report back. There are several paraphrases of what you wrote that are completely innocent.

    And as a statement of fact, even that quote is true. I don't like having to stop at red lights or pay taxes, do you?

  • sasob||

    You look it up. I watched that debate in its entirety, and though I don't remember his exact words, I do remember his exact attitude and the exact tone of his voice. There was no mistaking the fact that he didn't wish to answer the question of constitutionality. Nor was there any doubt that he resented government being limited by the Constitution.

    And to answer your question: No, I don't mind at all having to stop at red lights - as long as they eventually turn green. As for taxes: No, I don't like paying them - particularly when the government uses the money for things which are not legitimate functions of a limited government. I especially dispise the hidden tax of inflation.

  • The Art-P.O.G.||

    Only a selfish person has a real objection to well-placed and properly functioning traffic lights and stop signs.

  • sasob||

    On the contrary - it is in a person's self interest to have well-placed and properly functioning traffic lights and stop signs.

  • The Art-P.O.G.||

    I don't mean self-interest in the rational way. I mean 'selfishness', which is self-interest robbed of perspective.

  • Live Free or Diet||

    Is the term you're looking for short-sighted?

  • The Art-P.O.G.||

    Yes, but short-sightedness can be a side effect of selfishness. I've got nothing against self-interest.

  • Uncle Joe||

    The fact that you even attempt to compare government healthcare to things like traffic lights or taxes says a whole lot about you.

    By your reasoning, Romney can use his excuse on *anything* no matter how tyrannical.

  • sasob||

    Look the exact quote up and report back.

    As I recall, it was in Romney's response to Chris Wallace in the 3rd GOP debate, in Iowa. Just for the hell of it I went and looked for it. I watched four videos of the full debate and looked over three transcripts of it. You know what? The quote is not there. The segment about constitutionality is there and most of Romney's snippiness or "petulance," but words to the effect of "Well so what? The law forces people to do things all the time that they don't want to do" is missing. But it was there when I watched the debate live as it happened.

    The transcripts all come from Fox News and I presume, so do the videos. Am I seeing some sort 1984ish sleight of hand? I don't know - you tell me.

  • Joe M||

    I thought this was a REALLY early Friday unfunnies.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Is that why Shikha refused to sign this? Because she's ashamed she started her post with a Friday Funnies?

  • Playamanhattan||

    Maybe Suderman?

  • Playamanhattan||

    I stand corrected

  • Bee Tagger||

    Go-Go-Romney Totem Pole

  • I||

    I'm getting the feeling that Reason doesn't ♥ Romney.

  • The Art-P.O.G.||

    Romney seems to be lacking in popularity among almost all libertarian-leaning people (yeah, yeah, I know, I need a citation).

  • BakedPenguin||

    It's gotten to the point where supporting Romney is a de-decoder-ring offense.

    Seriously, though - does anyone believe that he would be anything different as a President than as a campaigner? A transparent whore who goes along with the latest poll and seeks whatever justification he can find for it. As someone pointed out above, he seems like a petulant child when he's challenged, which IMO does not bode well for anyone should he ever become President.

  • ||

    In short, Romney might have purchased the popularity of RomneyCare by sticking it to federal taxpayers.

    Now I know why he keeps saying that Romneycare won't work on the federal level. There's no level above to steal from.

  • Gojira||

    Maybe we can swipe from the European Central Bank? They seem to be handing out wads of cash to uncreditworthy nations lately.

  • sasob||

    Some of which they obtained from the US Federal Reserve.

  • ||

    In short, Romney might have purchased the popularity of RomneyCare by sticking it to federal taxpayers.

    Now I know why he keeps saying that Romneycare won't work on the federal level. There's no level above to steal from.

  • In Time of War||

    I was thinking that, also. I doubt the Germans are going to have any money left to bail us out after they've given it all to Greece...

  • Dead Horse||

    Stop beating me!

  • Apatheist||

    Last I checked Romney was the front runner and not dead.

  • ||

    Last I checked Romney was the front runner and not dead.

    Check again. He's trailing Cain. And whether he's alive or not depends on your attitude toward robots.

  • Liberpublican||

    You know that exact thing we've been crapping our pants over for months and months as the end of all freedom? Well, now that we realize probable Republican nominee Mitt Romney did it, it's time to focus on other things.

  • Psychiatry Today||

    it's time to focus on other things

    Like, who else can we hate?

  • Occupier||

    Me?

  • Apatheist||

    Why waste time hating something so pathetic?

  • Live Free or Diet||

    Letting the pathetic do as they please put Europe where they are now.

  • Apatheist||

    I doubt I'll be happy with whoever is the next president but I'll do a jig the day this son of a bitch loses.

  • Psychiatry Today||

    Resignation, despair and hate. Nice!

  • Apatheist||

    The life of a libertarian...

  • Psychiatry Today||

    +1

  • Meh||

    Especially impressive given his handle.

  • I ♥ Reason||

    I love it how Reason disparages the art of editorial cartooning but uses editorial cartooning when it suits their purposes.

  • Nipplemancer||

    Reason publishes editorial cartoons every friday morning with their Friday Funnies (which are rarely funny). It's the readers who do all the disparaging.

  • I ♥ Reason||

  • Apatheist||

    Is there a point somewhere I'm missing?

  • I ♥ Reason||

    Yes.

  • The Art-P.O.G.||

    Nick Gillespie savages political cartoons as hard as any Reason commenters, but he won't join in when we bash Bok or Payne because they're ours, dammit.

    I've said before that political cartoons are a difficult format because they don't lend themselves well to the literary depth of something like Maus, but political cartoonists do sometimes do well.

  • The Art-P.O.G.||

    Also, it's entirely possible that Gillespie dislikes political cartoons and The Jacket likes them, or vice versa.

  • Terr||

    Nor the sage observations of Family Circus.

  • Nipplemancer||

    Criticizing specific cartoons for content is not the same as disparaging all forms of political cartooning.

  • Nipplemancer||

    html fail.

  • Occupier||

    Fact: More people have now been arrested for protesting financial crimes than the # of bankers arrested for committing those crimes.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Start arresting Congressmen, then.

  • Nipplemancer||

    Your fact seems devoid of facts. Names and crimes committed please.

  • Occupier||

    the solution is a series of public trials and transparent investigations into Goldman Morgan Citybank AIG & Wall Strteet by public

  • Nipplemancer||

    not gonna happen, not while the real criminals in DC retain their power. You're full of shit and screaming at a wall. None of these 'crimes' could have occurred without the express permission and cheerleading of Congress and the innumerable functionaries of the FedGov.
    Businesses will exist no matter the regime, but crony capitalism can only exist with a regime to point their guns at the populace.

  • Apatheist||

    Fact: derp

  • RandyTurner||

    The federal government is lowering premiums for a taxpayer-subsidized plan that provides health insurance for those with pre-existing conditions check "Penny Health" website

  • Occupier||

    What if large companies could pay top 10% of staff an amount NOT greater than 70 times their bottom 10%? You'd have more equity.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    What kind of bullshit are you trying to peddle here?

  • Occupier||

    Resist inequality

  • Nipplemancer||

    profound.

  • Occupier||

    We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts. Abraham Lincoln

  • Nipplemancer||

    profounder

  • ||

    I've got plenty of equity, thankyouverymuch.

  • Auric Demonocles||

    They already can do that.

  • Occupier||

    Now, here is absolute PROOF the Israel lobby controls our governments in the UK & USA:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/poli.....onors-tory

  • Nipplemancer||

    JOOOSSS!!!!!!!

  • Mr. FIFY||

    There it is... just like that stupid LAUSD substitute teacher who blamed the Zionists for all her problems.

    Fuck off, Occupier.

  • The Art-P.O.G.||

    Ha ha ha ha, I can only hope Occupier is kidding, because that is some weak CryptoAntiSemetic gruel.

  • Occupier||

    American homes destroyed by Al Qaeda last year: 0; By banks: 1,200,000. Who are the real terrorists?

  • Apatheist||

    The idiots in congress who encouraged people who couldn't afford it to buy houses, inflated the currency and bailed out the banks who took to many risks?

    Ah fuck it lets just give them more power, what can go wrong?

    derp

  • Auric Demonocles||

    I didn't realize that banks were destroying their own property. That doesn't seem like something greedy people would do.

  • Occupier||

    'Direct Democracy takes time' = We'll get to the banksters and the government after Obama's reelected

  • Apatheist||

    Yes, reelect the head bankster himself, that's the ticket!

  • Meh||

    It's just so crazy it might work!

  • Occupier||

    The Capitalist network that runs the world
    http://www.newscientist.com/ar.....world.html

  • Rambling Gamboling Man||

    Chem Traillllssssssssss

  • Occupier||

    If you're not angry, you're not paying attention.

  • Nipplemancer||

    profoundest

  • Apatheist||

    If you're angry at the wrong people, you're retarded AND not paying attention.

  • Apogee||

    +1000

  • مقرعة ||

    Overall, total state health care spending has grown from 30 percent of the budget in 2006 to 40 percent today. The national average is 25 percent.

    Citation

  • Occupier||

    Michael Moore Warns OWS Not To Fall For The Mainstream Media’s Trap
    http://www.politicususa.com/en.....ream-media

  • Mr. FIFY||

    The same fat bastard who said it's not time to commit violence against rich people... *yet*.

    Fuck Michael Moore.

  • oncogenesis||

    Michael Moore's rapper name is Mos' Fed.

  • The Art-P.O.G.||

    Michael Moore's rapper name is Mos' Fed.

    Excellent.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Good one.

  • juris imprudent||

    I'm trying to figure out how Romney even gets 25% of the Republicans to like him.

  • Occupier||

    Taxing the top tier is the only way out of the global economic crisis. Austerity economics does not work.

  • Nipplemancer||

    taxing them at 100% wouldn't put much of a dent in the debt of the nation let alone improve the economy.

  • Apatheist||

    The derp is strong in this one.

  • Nipplemancer||

    i'm drunk & bored, normally I'd just ignore this shit.

  • Occupied||

    Well, tax them over 100 percent, then.

  • Nipplemancer||

    Now I know you're just fucking with us ore completely retarded. I sincerely hope you're fucking with us, because no one can be that retarded.

  • Nipplemancer||

    doh. i've been had.

  • Occupile||

    How do you spell "derp"?

  • Apatheist||

    Come on nipple, if we can only ignore basic math all our problems will be solved!

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Thing is, someone with Occupier's mad skilz WOULD want taxes to be over one hundred percent.

  • Nipplemancer||

    the solution to all of our problems is looking us right in the eye. Abolish math and the economy will skyrocket!

  • 7/6ths of Americans...||

    ...agree with you, Nipplemancer!

  • Apatheist||

    roflcopter

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Tax them HOW much, again? Half? Seventy-five percent? All of it?

    Oh, and spending your way into prosperity doesn't work, fucktard.

  • Occupier||

    "Ideal" solution. a resource based economy
    http://www.occupyr.com/General/thread.php?id=244

  • The Ingenious Hidalgo||

    That sure is a vague fucking prospect you're peddling there. And this:

    When education and resources are made available to all people without a price tag, there would be no limit to the human potential.

    Is just wrong. Your beef's with the laws of thermodynamics.

  • White Indian||

    I knew one of my other personalities would show up eventually! Whew!

  • A fan||

    Sure, we have infinite resources. It's all free!

  • Occu Pie a la Mode||

    1. Go to a bakery.
    2. Yell and bitch about big corporate bakeries until the bakery owner gives you pie to shut you the fuck up for a few minutes.
    3. Go on MSNBC and tell Lawrence O'Donnell how you didn't get free ice cream with your free pie.

  • ||

    All of this suggests that had the Bay State been less liberal, RomneyCare would have been less popular.

    No flerking shnit, Sherlock.

    Reason is lucky to have such a perceptive analyst writing for them.

  • Nipplemancer||

    I have to agree. Dalmia's weak sauce is especially weak this time.

  • Sidd Finch||

    Nothing jumped out to me as an outright lie, so I think it's some of her best work.

  • Occupier||

    50% of All Workers Made Less than $26,000 in 2010
    http://www.theatlantic.com/bus.....W8.twitter

  • Mr. FIFY||

    "Workers"

    You had to memorize Mao's Little Red Book, because you jizzed all the pages shut... right?

  • Live Free or Diet||

    "Workers," as versus "welfare recipients."
    Right?

  • Occupier||

    Money's most powerful ability is to allow bad people to continue doing bad things at the expense of those who don't have it

  • Apatheist||

    derp

  • Nipplemancer||

    I thought Money's most powerful ability was to purchase Two Tickets to Paradise

  • Four mouths for 4 wives||

    Is that cartoon a slam against Mormons?
    Hmm, I want to see the bottom half

  • The Art-P.O.G.||

    As much as it pains me to say this, that was actually kind of clever. If only you had a better batting average, rctl.

  • rather||

    If only you knew the truth....We all have to live with 'if onlys'

  • The Art-P.O.G.||

    Nah. I live with 'only if's.

  • Occupier||

    Time to Move from Occupy Wall Street to Prosecute Wall Street
    http://blog.buzzflash.com/print/13091

  • Occupy Your Mom||

  • Occupier||

    I bet it would cost less to "bail out" most consumer debt, the "survival" kind, than it would to bail out the banks again

  • Apatheist||

    easy to gambol with other people's money

  • No...||

    ...how about NO ONE gets bailed out - banks, private citizens, auto companies, and everything in between.

    God, but are you fucking stupid.

  • Occupier||

    "We are the 99%" refers to the difference in wealth between the top 1% and the other citizens

  • So?||

    What fucking business is it of anyone, what people have in their bank accounts and other holdings?

  • Apatheist||

    derp

  • Rob||

    Oh. Because I thought that 99% stood for what the top 1% pay in taxes to support you rent seeking flea baggers.

  • The Ingenious Hidalgo||

    Wasn't there a survey in Time magazine or something a few days ago saying that only like 50% of people supported the protesters? That's much lower than 99% right?

  • Occupier||

    This One Could Take Them All Down
    http://ampedstatus.org/chris-h.....-all-down/

  • Mr. FIFY||

    And then what?

  • Apatheist||

    scavenge for bark

  • Occupy North Korea||

    The top one percent of the bottom 99 percent of North Koreans get the best tree bark!

  • Occupier||

    “A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." -- Edward Abbey

  • Occupy My Basement||

  • Apatheist||

    At least you've finally stumbled upon the real culprit.

  • Occupier||

    The system is designed to empower corporations and stiffle the little guy who barely makes ends meet

  • Occupier||

    I support OWS movement because it fights corporate greed, $ in politics, & rich getting richer while poor get poorer

  • Apatheist||

    and yet OWS supports the bailouts by a larger margin than the general population and the president who has been the biggest friend of Wall Street ever.

  • Apatheist||

    derp

  • Sidd Finch||

    But if Massachusetts taxpayers aren't more disgusted and disappointed, it might be because they are paying for only 18 percent of the debacle

    That's not true, but thanks for taking the time to quote Carrol explaining why.

  • L13||

    "Mitt-the-twit" (c) obviously can't do math if he thinks 63% is "4 to 1". I might grant him "2:1", but that's it.

    But more importantly, Mitt is as slippery as Slick Willy with the truth and with having any integrity; any "thoughtful" position was entirely dependent on which way the political winds were blowing. When he was campaigning in MA for governor, he was pro-same-sex marriage, the moment he outside of the state he criticized MA for having that stance.

    Learn from the mistakes of Massachusetts, this guy is no better than a department store manikin!

  • fish||

    Learn from the mistakes of Massachusetts, this guy is no better than a department store manikin ...

    The manikin would be preferable to Mitt.

  • ||

    If the GOP nominates this clown, all of our Red Team folks will be telling us ad nauseum how Mitt is going to give us smaller government. What a spectacle that will be.

  • Mr Whipple||

    while private health insurance consumers picked up the rest of the tab (through higher premiums and co-pays passed on by hospitals and insurers).

    I live in NJ. NJ is far from perfect regarding any kind of insurance. Just for the hell of it, I priced out similar plans in NJ and MA. When all deductibles and co-pays are figured in, the MA plan was almost double the comparable NJ plan.

    How does NJ do it? The same way they fixed the high cost of auto insurance. By increasing competition and providing more choices to consumers, how else? I have a choice of over 20 different plans from at least seven different carriers.

    It's the same old, tired out saying, that no one seems to understand anymore. When businesses compete, the consumer benefits with better quality, and lower price.

    Individual standard health benefits plans may be purchased from a variety of carriers as either indemnity plans (commonly known as "traditional" or "fee-for-service" plans) or as managed care plans (network-based plans offered by a Health Maintenance Organization (HMO) or by another carrier using, for example, a Preferred Provider Organization (PPO)). The B&E Plans are available as network-based plans from carriers using an Exclusive Provider Organization (EPO).

    Like I said, NJ, is far from perrfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than MA.

    BTW, I don't know if MA has it, but NJ has a "pre-existing condition" rule after one year of paid premiums. In some cases it's six months.

  • Colin||

    He'll almost certainly be the nominee, despite this. By default.

  • Hermanator||

    Cain: Anti-Abortion, But Pro-Choice
    http://tinyurl.com/3bdk8bd

    "The government shouldn't be making these decisions...I can be pro-life but understand as President its none of my business."

    Cain 2012!

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