Politicians Want to Wrap "Wild West" Buses in Red Tape

So-called Chinatown bus lines have multiplied in recent years, providing a cheaper alternative to Amtrak’s subsidized rails between East Coast cities at comparable travel times. These intercity bus lines have grown rapidly in the past couple years, with ridership growing 33 percent in 2010 alone. This horrific development hasn't sat well with New York state Sen. Daniel Squadron (D-Brooklyn) and Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver (D-Manhattan), who say the buses need more regulating:

[Squadron and Silver] introduced a bill before the State Legislature Friday, designed to create a permit system for the first time ever and ease what they called a "chaotic lack of rules" which puts travelers and neighborhood residents at risk.

"With no rules to regulate buses, the streets of Chinatown are like the Wild West, and that doesn't work for bus companies or the community," said Squadron.

"Today's system makes it hard to operate a business within the bounds of the law, and plagues the community with noise, pollution and chronic congestion."

Naturally, such regulation would likely make the buses more expensive.

More from Reason on regulation here.

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  • Sovereign Immunity||

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  • Walid ibn Terakh al-Hindi||

    Greetings Kuffar,

    The Holy Quran and Islam are filled with scientific statements and notions. These are statements of Allah Almighty describing how He created things on earth and in the Universe. What’s most amazing is that all of these scientific statements and notions had been proven to be in perfect agreement with science and our modern-day scientific discoveries. Allah Almighty made the Noble Quran be Prophet Muhammad’s (peace be upon him) Everlasting Divine Miracle and proof for Prophethood. The Holy Book certainly stood the test of time 1,500 years ago with Its Claims, Prophecies and Miraculous language eloquence, and it does again and again in our day today with Its overwhelming agreement with science and discoveries that were not known to man 1,500 years ago.

    Allah Almighty Said: “We will show them Our signs in the Universe and inside their selves, until it will become quite clear to them that it is the truth. Is it not sufficient as regards your Lord that He is a witness over all things? (The Noble Quran, 41:53)”

    With this said, let us what Allah Almighty Said in the Glorious Quran:

    Noble Verse(s) 51:49
    Yusuf Ali:
    [051:049] And of every thing We have created pairs: That ye may receive instruction.

    Sher Ali:

    [051:049] And of everything have WE created pairs that you may reflect.
    Shakir:

    [051:049] And of everything We have created pairs that you may be mindful.

    In this Noble Verse, we see Allah Almighty Declaring that of everything that He created, He Created pairs or two kinds for them. This Noble Verse does not speak about sexual reproduction. It clearly and indisputably Says that of every kind of creation out there, two kinds of this creation/species exist. To us, we might think of them as males and females, but this is not always correct, for there are asexual (sexless) creations, such as the Angels, that Allah Almighty mentioned in the Glorious Quran:

    “Or that We created the angels female, and they are witnesses (thereto)? (The Noble Quran, 37:150)”

    “And they make into females angels who themselves serve God. Did they witness their creation? Their evidence will be recorded, and they will be called to account! (The Noble Quran, 43:19)”

    “Those who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names. (The Noble Quran, 53:27)”

    So what does “everything” then mean in Noble Verse 51:49? If Angels are excluded, then obviously, “everything” here could not be applied to all of the Creations of Allah Almighty. So to me, this Noble Verse is speaking about the things that are created from dust, like us humans, and the things that exist on planet earth and other similar planets. This is further supported in the following Noble Verses:

    Noble Verse(s) 21:30
    Yusuf Ali:
    [021:030] Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?

    How can the Angels and the Jinns be made alive with water when they were created from light and fire respectively?

    “And the Jinn race, We had created before, from the fire of a scorching wind. (The Noble Quran, 15:27)”

    “‘A’isha reported that Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: The Angels were born out of light and the Jinns were born out of the spark of fire and Adam was born as he has been defined (in the Qur’an) for you (i. e. he is fashioned out of clay). (Translation of Sahih Muslim, Book 42: The Book Pertaining to Piety and Softening of Hearts (Kitab Al-Zuhd wa Al-Raqa’iq), Number 71:34)”

    How can water and fire, as we know them, coexist harmoniously with each others? In other words, how could the Jinns live off of our water when they were created from fire? And how could the Angels who were created from light also live off of water as we know it?

    So to me, it is clear that “everything” in Noble Verse 51:49 is limited to our worldly creations; the creations that exist on earth, and any similar ones that exist elsewhere on other planets [1] [2].

    2- The Scientific Proofs:

    In this section, we will see with ample proofs, and without the shadow of a doubt, that the Glorious Quran’s Divine Claims remain Scientifically correct and Miraculous.

    (a)- Species that are created in pairs:

    Obviously, the number of those species is virtually countless. From the humans, to the plants, to the animals that we know; all of these consist of pairs (males and females) in their communities. They are either males or females. All of the pets that humans have, and all of the domestic farm animals, and all of the birds, reptiles, predators and preys; all of them have the pairs of males and females in their communities. Hence, this group of species certainly testifies to the Divine Miracle of the Glorious Quran.

    (b)- What about the Hermaphrodite and Parthenogenesis (asexual, sexless) species?

    1- Hermaphrodite species are those that have both the male and female organs and can reproduce by themselves due to those organs:

    “The term is sometimes used inaccurately to describe reproduction modes in hermaphroditic species which can reproduce by themselves because they contain reproductive organs of both sexes.” (Source)

    Certainly, these species do not contradict at all the Glorious Quran. On the contrary, they further prove Allah Almighty’s Divine Claims, because here we have a group of species that still need to reproduce by having the pairs in them. Yes, it would be one specie reproducing by itself, assuming that this is scientifically accurate to begin with, since much of these studies are still unconfirmed theories, as shown below, especially in the microscopic world, but be as it may, each specie in this group, nonetheless:

    Is still a representation of the pairs. It could be one or the other or both.

    Wouldn’t be able to reproduce if it didn’t have those two organs in it.

    Still produces both males and females, as further shown below.
    Therefore, this group of species certainly testifies to the Divine Miracle of the Glorious Quran, because the pairs exist among them.

    2- Parthenogenesis species are asexual or sexless. They are believed to not have any sex in them:

    “Parthenogenesis is a form of asexual reproduction found in females, where growth and development of embryos occurs without fertilization by a male. In plants, parthenogenesis means development of an embryo from an unfertilized egg cell, and is a component process of apomixis. The offspring produced by parthenogenesis are always female in species that use the XY sex-determination system.

    Parthenogenesis occurs naturally in some invertebrate animal species (e.g. water fleas, aphids, nematodes, some bees, some Phasmida, some scorpion species, and parasitic wasps), and vertebrates (e.g. some reptiles,[1] fish, and very rarely birds[2] and sharks[3]) and this type of reproduction has been induced artificially in other species.

    Parthenogenesis is seen to occur naturally in aphids, Daphnia, rotifers, nematodes and some other invertebrates, as well as in many plants. Komodo dragons and the hammerhead- and blacktip sharks have recently been added to the list of vertebrates—along with several genera of fish, amphibians, and reptiles—that exhibit differing forms of asexual reproduction, including true parthenogenesis, gynogenesis, and hybridogenesis (an incomplete form of parthenogenesis). As with all types of asexual reproduction, there are both costs (low genetic diversity and therefore susceptibility to adverse mutations that might occur) and benefits (reproduction without the need for a male) associated with parthenogenesis.

    The offspring of parthenogenesis will be all female if two like chromosomes determine the female sex (such as the XY sex-determination system), but they will be male if two like chromosomes determine the male sex (such as the ZW sex-determination system), because the process involves the inheritance and subsequent duplication of only a single sex chromosome. The offspring may be capable of sexual reproduction, if this mode exists in the species. In many cases, parthenogenesis occurs when one gender (typically the male) is unavailable in the general vicinity. Once males are again available, the parthenogenesis-created females would be capable of mating with the males and creating normal offspring.[4]” (Source)

    As we clearly and indisputably see, the scientists themselves:

    1- Never unlocked all of the deep secrets of how these animals truly reproduce.

    2- Are unsure of how exactly the reproduction occurs with these species.

    3- These species are NOT ASEXUAL because they still do produce males and females as the red quotes above clearly state.

    4- The scientists claims are no more than speculations at best! They are uncertainties and doubts; unconfirmed science.

    Therefore, to use this bogus nonsense against Islam and against Allah Almighty is not acceptable. The scientists seem to have yet still to scratch the surface of unlocking the deep secretes of how these animals truly reproduce. All they have right now are unconfirmed and uncertain speculations, statements and theories. But in all cases, we still have the male and female reproductions among these species! So yes, the pairs are still there in these communities. A single specie of them is still either a male or female according even to those scientists. It is not a true asexual specie, and the scientists themselves are clearly uncertain about what to make of these species.

    (c)- What about cloning of animals and their creation?

    Does the creation/birth of animals through cloning, today, contradict and disprove the Glorious Quran?

    Answer: No, because the born babies from this community still consist of males or a females. So pairs are created from this community of species. Again, Allah Almighty Said:

    Noble Verse(s) 51:49
    Yusuf Ali:
    [051:049] And of every thing We have created pairs: That ye may receive instruction.

    Sher Ali:

    [051:049] And of everything have WE created pairs that you may reflect.
    Shakir:

    [051:049] And of everything We have created pairs that you may be mindful.

    Also, Allah Almighty did make a clear and precise Claim and Prophecy in the Glorious about mankind will eventually follow the path of satan and will alter the creation of Allah Almighty through slitting the ears and cloning of creatures. Please visit:

    Were cloning, human-cloning, and gender alteration prophesied in Islam? See the Glorious Quran’s direct Stunning Miracle and Prophecy about modern-day cloning, and how it is dependent upon cutting of the ear.

    3- Conclusion:

    Again, the Holy Quran and Islam are filled with scientific statements and notions. These are statements of Allah Almighty describing how He created things on earth and in the Universe. What’s most amazing is that all of these scientific statements and notions had been proven to be in perfect agreement with science and our modern-day scientific discoveries. Allah Almighty made the Noble Quran be Prophet Muhammad’s (peace be upon him) Everlasting Divine Miracle and proof for Prophethood. The Holy Book certainly stood the test of time 1,500 years ago with Its Claims, Prophecies and Miraculous language eloquence, and it does again and again in our day today with Its overwhelming agreement with science and discoveries that were not known to man 1,500 years ago.

    Allah Almighty Said: “We will show them Our signs in the Universe and inside their selves, until it will become quite clear to them that it is the truth. Is it not sufficient as regards your Lord that He is a witness over all things? (The Noble Quran, 41:53)”

    Allah Almighty’s Divine Claim about all of the creations that He Created on earth and in similar planets reproducing communities of pairs had been indisputably confirmed by Science. All of the uncertainties, and the unconfirmed speculations, statements and theories that some scientists put forth, perhaps for gain of popularity, status and money by some of them, can not be used to disprove Islam. Again and again, we continue to see Islam being proven to be in perfect agreement and harmony with confirmed and indisputable Scientific facts and discoveries. This should not come as a surprise, because this is what we would expect from the True and Living Words of Allah Almighty, the Sovereign LORD and GOD of the Universe.

    Indeed, all Praise and Glory are due to Allah Almighty Alone for making the Noble Quran and the Divine Inspirations that He Sent to Prophet Muhammad be the Perfect and Everlasting Miracle, for us humans, out of all of His Divine Miracles! And may Allah Almighty send His Peace, Mercy and Blessings upon our Beloved and Blessed Prophet, Teacher and Role Model, Muhammad. Ameen.

  • Sheesh||

    Sheesh.

  • Anarchist||

    Indeed, all Praise and Glory are due to Unmoderated Commentary, where Everyone may Spew his Crackpot Philosophy, Whore his Blog, Pimp his Deity and Self-Service his Narcissism. May Josh Brokaw send His Peace, Mercy and Blessings upon our Beloved and Blessed Prophet, Teacher and Role Model, The Jacket (pbuh).

  • Onanist||

    I like to Self-Service my Narcissism.

  • Corduroy||

    Seriously overwrought trolling. I suggest posting this in the comments sections at The National Review or FoxNews for entertainment.

  • ||

    I prefer the understated trolling of putting "The" before "National Review."

  • Pip||

    Can you believe they delete this shit?

  • Tim||

    This is why there are no muslims on Star Trek.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    What about Dr. Bashir?

  • Rachel Madcow||

    I thought he was Irish.

  • sevo||

    Doesn't look Irish to me.

  • ||

    His dad was Babu Batt, so he's clearly Pakistani. Still leaves the possibility that they were Hindus or Sihks though.

  • ||

    Wasn't Babu Batt a character in Star Wars?

  • Scotty||

    You're a very bad man.

  • Pip||

    Gays can't be Muslims.

  • Aghani Pashtun, again... ||

    You're completely right!

  • Old Mexican||

    Webmaster... could you? Please?

    Thanks!

  • Anarchist||

    Suck it up, OM. We reap what we sow.

  • Ragin Cajun||

    And of everything have WE created pairs that you may reflect.

    "Hey, look, I've got a pair."

    And of everything We have created pairs that you may be mindful.

    "I try to avoid anything happening to my pair."

    And of every thing We have created pairs: That ye may receive instruction.

    "Let me learn how my pair works."

  • The Gobbler||

    And of every thing We have created pairs: That ye may receive instruction.

    So where do I find my second asshole?

  • ||

    You will find it has been with you all along.

  • ||

    Try the first coment.

  • ||

    LOL

  • Zeb||

    I didn't read much of that, but I'm almost tempted to. I think it is hilarious when true believers think that they can convince non-believers that they should believe in their scripture through arguments from scripture. All we really needed was a good discussion of the Koran and parthenogenesis to turn us around, I guess.

  • sevo||

    "All we really needed was a good discussion of the Koran and parthenogenesis to turn us around, I guess."

    Works for me. I'm ready to go saw someone's head off with a dull knife.

  • Anonymous Coward||

    COOL. STORY. BRO.

  • ||

    Yay! Walid ibn Terakh al-Hindi is back.

    Reason staff:
    Please don't delete his wordy and vain efforts to convert the heathens and infidels.

  • The Truth||

    Even I think you are tiresome.

  • Mike M.||

    "Lu lu lu lu lu!"

  • ||

    Urge to kill rising....

  • Bohica||

    "our Beloved and Blessed Prophet, Teacher and Role Model, Muhammad"

    Role model? Does that include the pedophilia?

    Yes, may Allah Almighty send his Peace, Mercy and Blessings upon our Beloved Sexually Deviant Pervert Muhammad. Ameen.

  • ||

    It's 21 degrees here in New Hampshire today. Fortunately, I have a large supply of QUrans to burn for heat.

    Praise Allah indeed.

  • Kristen||

    If it's not in Arabic, it's not the Qur'an, only an interpretation if the actual, real Qur'an. Your statement "Allah Almighty Said in the Glorious Quran..." and following with English language translations is therefore a blasphemy. Fucking infidel.

  • JD||

    Can we have an exception to the "no imbedded images" thing to post the Mohammed cartoons?

  • Rev.||

    Heathen.

  • Paul||

    OH geez.

  • deluded1||

    Well, I used to regularly take the bus from PHL to NYC. That won't be occurring if the price rises. Looks like I won't be coming to NYC to spend my hard earned money anymore.

    Great job dipshits!

  • Anyway||

    Racist alt text: SOLLY, BUT WE'LE DOUBRING PLICES.

  • Tim||

    At least he didn't mention Right Lail.

  • Ska||

    Here is the only regulation needed - you pay $35 in NYC and you can get on the bus and ride to DC.

    It's been going on for years and it hasn't been a problem. I guess if you want someone to pay $125 to ride the train (and save about 2 hours in additional travel time) it might be a problem.

  • dmoynihan||

    Dude, it's $25 from Rockville2NYC, $20 from DC (Union Station area/Chinatown). Specials from Bolt Bus can drop tickets as low as $10 one-way. Philly2NYC, I've seen tickets as low as $5.

    Unless you're taking the luxury Jewish bus ($30 from Bethesda/Arlington), you'll never need to pay $30.... unless you're stupid enough to get on a bus at the Port Authority.

    Interestingly, there was one time I did take a Port Authority bus (Trailways), 'cuz my Priceline hotel was right next to it, and it was December and too freaking cold to wait outside by the Garden. Overhead lights didn't work; there was no wifi, despite promises, and the damn thing dropped us off a mile from Metro. Best of all, they actually did a lame-ass homeland security "search" of my belongings before letting me get on. Had to be part of the same plan as what these legislators are trying for. (Terrists are takin' our buses!!!!)

    But I've also heard that there's been a lot of consolidation among the Chinatown operators, with Bolt and one or two other companies buying up the independents...

    /Only take the bus to Manhattan, 'cuz one leaves literally two blocks from my house in MD. Brooklyn, I just drive, skip the tolls, except for Staten Island...

  • Old Mexican||

    This horrific development hasn't sat well with New York state Sen. Daniel Squadron (D-Brooklyn) and Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver (D-Manhattan), who say the buses need more regulating[.]


    Because without regulation, those bus companies would wield unsurpassed power against decent, democratic people!

    At least, that's what Tony told me...

  • ||

    Well, Tony also told us in an earlier thread that trains are superior to buses because people on the bus smell.

  • ||

    He does understand that the trains will smell once he gets the buses outlawed, rig....oh, who am I kidding, it's Tony.

  • ||

    Perhaps he should ride a train in India and get back to us.

  • sevo||

    Barry D|2.15.11 @ 3:51PM|#
    "Perhaps he should ride a train TO India and get back to us."

    FIFY

  • Gus||

    Jim: My dog has no nose.
    Tom: Your dog has no nose? How does he smell?
    Jim: Terrible!

  • nothinghead||

    You know who else told that joke?

  • JD the elder||

    "With no rules to regulate buses, the streets of Chinatown are like the Wild West, and that doesn't work for bus companies or the community," said Squadron.

    Well, if by "like the Wild West", he means "somewhat crowded and noisy", I guess. I assume he didn't mean the Wild West smelled like fish and was full of people speaking Chinese. (You know what doesn't work for me? Crappy analogies.) Then again, I remember the streets of Chinatown being crowded and noisy 20 years ago too, so I'm not really seeing what's changed, and I don't see how this is "not working" for either the community (who not only founded but patronize the damn bus lines, for one thing) or the bus lines.

  • ||

    Clearly, you didn't watch enough Kung Fu.

  • Tim||

    "Forget it Jake, it's Chinatown".

  • sevo||

    If it's "not working" for the bus lines, there wouldn't *be* any bus lines.

  • ||

    "With no rules to regulate buses, the streets of Chinatown are like the Wild West, and that doesn't work for bus companies or the community," said Squadron.

    Or he means the streets are peaceful and well regulated through social custom rather than written law.

  • ||

    plagues the community with noise, pollution and chronic congestion.

    Aren't busses mass transit?

    Isn't mass transit supposed to be the answer to "noise, pollution and chronic congestion"?

  • ||

    Not anymore. It's all about rail, these days.

  • ||

    Yeah. Buses are just a throwback to the mid 20th Century. Progressives will not be satisfied until they progress back to the 19th.

  • ||

    Horses are a renewable resource, you know.

  • Sovereign Immunity||

    So is horseshit; I don't see the eco-theologists touting it as the solution to our energy woes.

  • ||

    Well, they should.

  • DanD||

    Well, there's biogas, which at one point was the "future fuel for America's Car Fleet" of the week.

  • ||

    Horses' asses, too, especially since we're talking about New York government officials...

  • ||

    Not if there's profit involved. The old quote Reagan liked of the government's approach being "If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it," applies here.

  • Sovereign Immunity||

    But the right people have to be in charge. Oversight by a disinterested, impartial party, you know. That's what Tony says.

  • Zeb||

    Isn't everywhere in lower Manhattan continually and eternally plagued by noise pollution and chronic congestion?

  • ||

    Sure, but Chinatown has that additional odor that is so unique to it.

  • ||

    Tourists flock there just for that experience, and tourist dollars are important!

  • Ska||

    Hey, it also has narrower streets, fucked up intersections, and bioluminescent waste liquids running down the sidewalks and pooling near crosswalks.

  • ||

    And dim sum. Which is basically what you just described.

  • Ska||

    Dim sum might be noisy, crowded and smelly, but I have yet to see glow-in-the-dark dumplings or light up sesame seed encrusted shrimp balls.

  • ||

    Shrimp have balls?

  • ||

    It's not Chinatown unless Lo Pan lives there.

    Well, maybe "live" is a strong word.

  • Butts Wagner||

    Depends how many green eyed women are around.

  • Paul||

    Aren't busses mass transit?

    Isn't mass transit supposed to be the answer to "noise, pollution and chronic congestion"?

    These aren't monopolized, government-run mass-transit operations with dues-paying union members who vote. Big difference.

  • Ted S.||

    There's a difference between mass transit and public transportation.

    I don't have a problem with the former. The latter is another story.

  • Tim||

    If you private sector schmucks think you can just step in and wreck subsidzed rail for everyone you've got another think coming.

  • Rachel Maddow||

    That's reallyreallyreallyreally awesome!

  • Anonymous Coward||

    "With no rules to regulate buses, the streets of Chinatown are like the Wild West, and that doesn't work for bus companies or the community," said Squadron.

    Regulatory capture. These Chinatown buses need to pony up their devalued Yuan to Squadron's next campaign.

    The cost of doing business.

  • GILMORE||

    Seriously, these things have been operating for a decade or more and no one, but NO ONE, NO ONE has ever complained. Everyone I know uses them between NY-Boston-Philly-DC...

    The only people who don't like them are Peter Pan/Greyhound etc. who get exclusive access to bus traffic through their licences to serve the Port Authority.

    I mean, offering bus rides but not forcing consumers to go through Port Authority? (emphasis on Authority)... Ralph Kramden would be ashamed of you New Yorkers for undermining our State Sanctioned buses for Chinese knock offs...

    ...and as we all know... the Port Authority bus terminal is one of the great places to Visit in NY!

    Well, yeah, OK, its still littered with homeless people and stinks like pee and is difficult to navigate and the employees there are all on Work-Release programs who glare at you and growl, "..fuck u want?" if you ask where the bathroom is... but don't worry... You REALLY don't want to use the bathrooms there anyway, unless of course you're a male prostitute or need to fix some smack...

    But come on, New York - since the 1980s, it has at least 50% less *rapists*... And theres a Cinnabon now!!

    The Port Authority bus terminal should have been using a slogan through the 90s & 'oughts...

    "Port Authority = Making Penn Station Look Comparatively Pleasant Since 1960"

    Nice little piece on the joys of NYC's City-Regulated-Bus-Paradise...

    http://www.ericdixonlaw.com/20.....y-bus.html

    N Port Authority now cordons off sections of the front entrances of each of its midtown bus terminal buildings after 1 am for the homeless. At that time, the terminal becomes officially closed to all except those with bus tickets.

    The terminal officially opens at 5 am. The overnight homeless population -- as counted in the front vestibule "bullpens" -- numbers about 25. There is a homeless shelter one block away on West 41st Street, west of Ninth Avenue, where the remainder may go.

    The overnight closing demonstrates that the Port Authority is willing to move out the homeless -- when it is for its own convenience. The policy allows for a cleaning of the facilitites during the lowest-ridership hours. It shows that, during the other 20 hours of the day, the stinking masses are totally welcome to befoul the facility because the bus terminal is "open to the public."

    ...

    This is pretty sweet

    http://www.panynj.gov/press-ro.....ine_id=200

    ""CRIME DOWN 40 PERCENT AT PORT AUTHORITY FACILITIES DURING FIRST FOUR MONTHS OF 2002""

    Now, just consider for a second... they're talking about *a building*... and that Crime in that ONE place was bad enough for *decades* that it could drop...40-60% over a 2 year period...? AND STILL SUCK.

    Serious, if they put up a sign saying, "Port Authority: Now With 75% Less Pee On the Floor!", it wouldn't be a joke...

  • Ska||

    No comment about the bowling alley located in the Port Authority building? I remember a friend having a b-day party there about a decade ago. It was surreal.

  • GILMORE||

    The PA Bowling Alley is in fact the only good thing in the entire building.

    It's on the top floor (which has an effect of both clearing the air somewhat, and I also think homeless people are afraid of heights... (or falling down stairs?).. either way, the top floor is certainly less Grotesque. And the prices in the place (at least the last time I was there... definitely more than 8 years ago) were frozen in time; like $5 pitchers of beer... in NYC? Games were super cheap too. The place was grimy, but hey... *its a bowling alley*. Bowling alleys *should* be grimy. I hate the Nuevo, Neon-tinged bowling alleys like Bowlmor and Chelsea Piers... I was shocked the PA Alley was still in existence when I first went there = i would have thought it would have become an underground hipster hangout, but no, it never really did. Just some really sketchy people.... bowling.

    Seriously, I actually DO think it's a worthwhile tourist destination. As long as you're armed with some kind of self-defence option.... And maybe antibiotics.

  • Ska||

    The cheap beer was a great find, but the sketch factor was the draw.

  • GILMORE||

    Wait a minute...

    I recall.... the last time I was there... was...uhm, yeah, about 10yrs ago... for a Birthday party (mine?? or Cohen..)... and then drinks @ Siberia... Or was it Rudy's??

    Do I *know* you? Or is that just an incredibly weird coincidence ....

  • Ska||

    I'm going to go with insane coincidence. Although I will say that Rudy's was also a destination that night (given the area though, I don't see that as the craziest coincidence).

    The party was for a girl named Dominique if that will help.

  • GILMORE||

    Phew~! No, the birthday I was at was mine...I think. :) I got pretty drunk.

    And yeah, we did go to Rudy's as well, and yes, that's sort of par for the course. Siberia was a different time.

    Funny, that.

  • ||

    My mom used to go down to the PA when she went to Pratt to draw the bums. I just don't go at all.

  • ||

    But for all that, I never really felt like I had been to New York until I went to the Port Authority.

  • Nipplemancer||

    i took the NJT 190 to the PA for nearly every metal show i've ever seen in the city. it nearly always beat driving unless it was out in brooklyn or something. Catching the bus home in the wee hours of the morning was always fun.
    Bums should be afraid of heights, there was one occasion when I was heading back home after seeing Slayer at Irving Plaza that a bum either fell or was pushed over a balcony and cracked his skull open on the linoleum floor. I don't know if he lived or not, but there was a shitload of blood and I was too drunk to care (my bus was leaving soon and I didn't wanna wait until the next one at zero-dark-thirty in the morning.

  • ||

    The only people who don't like them are Peter Pan/Greyhound etc. who get exclusive access to bus traffic through their licences to serve the Port Authority.

    NB: BoltBus is a Peter Pan/Greyhound service, playing the "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" with MegaBus (Coach USA) and the Chinatown buses.

    Not that they wouldn't love some regulation, of course, but competition has been a nice incentive for them.

  • Thom||

    I'm opposed to this on principle, but man, the guys who drive those things are gigantic assholes on I-95.

  • ||

    This sucks; my wife and I, when we lived in Manhattan and did not have a car, used the Chinatown buses often to go to DC, Boston and Philadelphia for a few days to go to museums and sight see. These Democrats should recognize that the Chinatown buses are serving a large portion of their natural constituency; ethnic minorities, the poor, and students.

  • ||

    Who else are they gonna vote for?

  • Michael||

    This is as close to on-topic as I can find to squeeze this in, so here goes... Has reason covered the DEA museum in any way? I'm particularly amused by this informative exhibit that exposes how the Chinese introduced us to opium while simultaneously stealing our jerbs:

    http://www.deamuseum.org/museum_idaafde.html

    Also: "sporting classes"???

  • ||

    Those poor confused consumers! They shouldn't have to put up with evil corporations forcing choices upon them!

    Some government functionary should decide for them.

  • ||

    Maybe the government should establish minimum per-mile rates.

    Damn you, Alfred Kahn! Damn you to Hell!

  • Brett L||

    "This horrific development hasn't sat well with "

    Intern, I hope someone's beating you silly with a rubber hose. Use "didn't sit well". Yes, its technically still not sitting well, but "hasn't sat"? My God, man. Its more passive than an alcoholic coma.

  • CrackertyAssCracker||

    I'll join in your condemnation if you join my campaign against the ridiculous plural form "Attornies General" instead of the common sense "Attorney Generals".

  • sevo||

    A rule up with which I will not put.

  • mr simple||

    But general in that term is an adjective and therefore cannot be plural.

  • Colonel_Angus||

    Also, fuck capitalization of the word "realtor".

  • Juice||

    I love grammar nazis that have bad grammar!

  • ||

    "and that doesn't work for bus companies." Then why did they grow 33% in one year? I just took my family of five on the MegaBus from DC to NYC for less than $200, which is less than a round trip for one on Amtrak. Love the train, but hands off my bus!!!

  • ||

    "Today's system makes it hard to operate a business within the bounds of the law"

    That's a bizarre statement. I cannot fathom the reasoning required to utter it.

  • ||

    I noticed that, too. Which law ? The law you haven't passed (yet) ? The unspoken assumption seems to be that the business will be a lot more comfortable with tight regulations. You know, so they know where the bounds of the law are..

  • ||

    "Today's system [of no laws] makes it hard to operate a business within the bounds of the law"

    The logic of these asshats never fails to amaze.

  • ||

    The politicians' move was welcomed by some bus operators.

    Pei Lin Liang, president of the Fung Wah bus company, said, "For years, the bus parking situation in Chinatown has been chaotic.

    "The lack of regulation has caused problems for the community and for the bus companies.

    "Our company...was the first long-distance bus company to operate out of Chinatown. For 13 years, we have been waiting for a system that will allow us to conduct our business more easily and in harmony with the local community."

    Translation: "We're the dominant bus operator in Chinatown and we welcome this as an opportunity to protect ourselves from new competition."

  • ||

    So we should expect reasonable, common sense regulation of bus parking.

  • Esteban||

    I wish I had more choices when I was making the regular NY-BOS trip between home and my college besides Fung Wah. Lucky Star was exactly the same. Only after I stopped making the trip did MegaBus and BoltBus with their fancy wifi make their appearance.

  • Robert||

    So these buses parking on the street, taking up a small fraction of the space that would be needed to park the cars necessary to transport the same number of passengers, inconvenience people how?

  • sevo||

    "inconvenience people how?"

    Nice little bus line you have there. Shame if anything happened to it, since I see you're 'inconveniencing' my boys.....

  • cynical||

    By sucking money out of politician's coffers. I wouldn't be shocked to hear that they're not unionized either.

  • ||

    "Wild West". Horseshit! The "Wild West" is a fictional creation of Hollywood. Look, I liked Support Your Local Sheriff (I've always liked James Garner) but it's not a fucking documentary.

  • ||

    I lol'ed

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