The Best Way To Help Haiti

Let Haitians come here. Here's Michael A. Clemens in the Washington Post:

After the earthquake, the Obama administration quickly suspended the deportation of Haitians already residing illegally in the United States (a population estimated at 100,000 to 200,000) for 18 months. That's a wise and welcome step, but an insufficient one. The United States has deported only around 1,000 Haitians per year recently, so a brief halt will make a limited difference in who lives where. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton emphasized Thursday that the new policy will not apply to Haitians seeking to come here now. "Our ordinary and regular immigration laws will apply going forward, which means that we are not going to be accepting into the United States Haitians who are attempting to make it to our shores. They will be interdicted. They will be repatriated."

Yet Haitians willing to emigrate today would typically experience vast and immediate increases in their standard of living and security -- a goal the administration no doubt supports. That is why so many have been willing to leave Haiti, braving ocean blockades and other risks, even before the quake. Between 1982 and 2009, the U.S. Coast Guard stopped 114,716 Haitians on their way to the United States, forcing them to go back, and such unsuccessful attempts must certainly have deterred an even larger number from even trying to leave. Last March, 51 percent of Haitians polled told Gallup that, given the opportunity, they would leave their country permanently...

 Haiti already gets close to $2 billion per year -- about a third of its income -- in cash remittances from its citizens living abroad. That's nearly 100 times as much as generous Americans have donated to Haiti via their cellphones. And unlike foreign aid, remittances go directly to families.

The earthquake in Haiti has laid bare the consequences of our restrictive immigration policies, particularly their effects on desperately poor people overseas. Countless Americans have been moved by the images and stories from Haiti, and have showed their solidarity and generosity with their wallets. A golden door visa to America, whether temporary or permanent, would have a larger and ultimately more lasting impact on the lives of the world's poorest, in Haiti and beyond.

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  • SIV||

    Politically untenable at any time.More so with 17% + unemployment.

  • Suki||

    Radley is right. It is the least we can do after Obama used Haiti for earthquake practice before the big Iran attack.

  • anon||

    "Let them come to the US" (and freer migration in general) would be just about the easiest, most straightforward, and effective solution to alleviating poverty and suffering the world has ever seen. Ergo, it will never happen.

    Instead, US aid efforts are *explicitly* pitched in terms of avoiding a Haitian exodus.

    Haiti is about to become a colossal money laundering front for corrupt first-world governments' tax surpluses. Another battleground for rent seeking companies and politicians to funnel money back and forth to each other. Haitians be damned.

  • Other Matt||

    Hey Anon-Kiss my ass (on behalf of the Haitian people). Whatever demonizing you want to do, live like a poor Haitian for a while first, ass bite, and you'll see they're already damned. Damn the US Aid for doing ineffective things, the protestant churches for doing nothing but building places to hold funerals instead of investing in the production of their economy, but a big fuck you if you want to damn the Haitian people.

  • anon||

    hey there, maybe you didn't read the first sentence of my comment?

    I'm in favor of letting Haitians into the US.

    My point is, it won't happen because people are bigots and don't want to let Haitians out of their hellhole and into their country - *they're* the ones saying "haitians be damned" not me.

    Get it, numbnuts?

  • Slap the Enlightened!||

    You might want to remember that Haiti was far from a hellhole when the French were running it. What do you suppose happened there?

  • anon||

    You mean it was far from a hellhole when there was slavery?

    I'm thinking the slaves might have felt differently...

  • Slap the Enlightened!||

    So what you're telling me is that Haiti is non-viable without slavery?

    Tell that to the Dominican Republic..

  • ||

    Even the Dominicans don't want to let the Haitians in.

    Anyway, Haiti and the DR have different demographics and cultures. Haiti is a little slice of Africa in the Western Hemisphere.

  • zoltan||

    STE, don't be coy. You said Haiti wasn't a hellhole when the French ran it. The French held Haitians as slaves. Which might just fit the definition of hellhole.

    What does viability have to do with anything? Of course a slave-holding country can be viable.

    And the Dominican Republic is not run by the French.

  • anon||

    one of our brains must have slid out. I have no idea what you're talking about.

    you seemed to imply that Haiti was in good shape when it was a french colony, when there was slavery.

    that sounds silly to me, and I wrote that haitian slaves would likely have disagreed with you... but now you seem to be saying *I'm* the one that said it...

  • ||

    Anon you are such a bastard. Why would you say that Hitler was a good guy? Don't be a racist fascist, anon.

  • Libertarian self-esteem dept||

    He was a nice dresser.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Isn't it possible the French just fucked it up right before they left?

    I mean, come on... hasn't anyone here ever driven a Renault?

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Why is it our job to "invest in the production of" ANY economy other than our own, Other Matt?

  • anon||

    U.S. Looks To Avoid Mass Exodus From Haiti
    http://tinyurl.com/ycysflj

    http://tinyurl.com/y8os43t
    Secretary [Janet] Napolitano issued the order for temporary protected status for those Haitians who are undocumented in the United States as of January 12th. But we've made it very clear that there will not be an opportunity for those who leave Haiti to be permitted to go into the United States, that we don't think it is in the interest of Haiti and [that it] would be in violation of our immigration laws," she said.

    These articles are silent as to "why"

  • oaktownadam||

    Wait, what surpluses? Just about every first-world government is deeply, deeply in debt right now.

  • anon||

    so where's the money they're spending (and will spend) in Haiti coming from?

  • Barack Obama||

    From My Secret Stash, anon. That's how I pay people's mortgages and put gas in their cars, y'know.

  • Slap the Enlightened!||

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  • Slap the Enlightened!||

    Haiti is nothing. Take a look at Liberia:

    Part 1
    Part 2

    Maybe we should bring them here too?

  • Slap the Enlightened!||

    Only 2 links per post?

    Part 3
    Part 4

  • SIV||

    Haitians willing to emigrate today would typically experience vast and immediate increases in their standard of living and security

    If that was strictly a result of voluntary support and their own efforts I'd welcome them.In addition to all the regular offerings of school and medical care there are social welfare programs for refugees and Haitian-specific exemptions to immigration rules for SNAP (food stamp) eligibility.

  • Very Un-PC Question||

    Is the Dominican Republic actually racist for having a fence between it and Haiti?

  • adagio ||

    No, they are self-hating because they deny their African heritage.

  • IceTrey||

    No, just smart.

  • adagio ||

    No, sad

  • Very Un-PC Question||

    Why?

  • adagio ||

    Why is it sad or why are they self-hating? Please tell me it is the later.

  • Very Un-PC Question||

    Both.

    Why do you THINK they are self-hating.

    and

    Why is it sad they have a fence.

  • Very Un-PC Question||

    HOw much do you know about the history of the Dominican Republic?

  • adagio ||

    I find this article very interesting: http://www.allempires.com/arti....._dominican

    It is unquestionably sad when neighbors see themselves as enemies.

  • Very Un-PC Question||

    "It is unquestionably sad when neighbors see themselves as enemies."

    What about when they ARE?

    From the article I link to below:
    "As it turned out, the Dominicans repelled the Haitian forces, on both land and sea, by December 1845. Santana's dictatorial powers, however, continued throughout his first term (1844-48). He consolidated his power by executing anti-Santana conspirators, by rewarding his close associates with lucrative positions in government, and by printing paper money to cover the expenses of a large standing army, a policy that severely devalued the new nation's currency. Throughout his term, Santana also continued to explore the possibility of an association with a foreign power. The governments of the United States, France, and Spain all declined the offer."

    http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/delta/dominican1844.htm

  • adagio||

    December 1845. Well, we had the war of 1812 too. Do you see Canadians and Americans freaking out over holding territory? There is a difference between skirmishes and long held institutionalized racism. In the Dominican Republic people still prefer to think of themselves as Indian and not of African descent.

  • Suki||

    Please tell me it is the later.

    No, it's earlier.

  • adagio ||

    WTH?

  • adagio ||

    Suki, have you become my editor.

  • Suki||

    Ugh! I am already John and Sarah's editor. The crosses I bear . . .

  • Suki||

    It's earthquake proof too.

  • SIV||

    51 percent of Haitians polled told Gallup that, given the opportunity, they would leave their country permanently...
    In Libertopia the less employable of that 5 million could scavenge our rich landfills.Of course in Libertopia, they would be facing tough local competition and the pickings wouldn't be so abundant.We currently don't let people pick the dumps here.

  • PIRS||

    In libertopia there would be property rights so no one would force you to have Haitians on your property. You would also not be forced to pay for the room and board of unemployed Haitians. The regulations on small businesses would be less so it would be much easier for unemplyed haitians to start their own small businesses. The regulations on non-profits would be less so they could find more creative ways to help the haitians.

    I am not sure what point you were trying to make but I hope I answered it.

  • SIV||

    The "point I'm trying to make" is we could probably absorb Haitian immigrant refugees in great numbers, without incurring publicly-funded social welfare costs, in a libertarian society.There would be less incentive for many of those 5 million to come here as well.

  • PIRS||

    On that we agree - IF [huge if] we had a libertarian society. Unfortunately, we do not have a libertarian society.

  • ||

    Given that the total immigrant population in the US is estimated at about 12M and the total population of Haiti is only around 9M (or less, in view of the quake), you are probably right that we could absorb the entire country. If we then limited access to welfare freebies, the Haitians would be obliged to work for their livings (as the overwhelming majority of them would voluntarily do, anyway, I'm sure). As they would be accustomed to a much lesser standard of living than they would find, even in near poverty, in the States, they would greatly improve their situations by coming here, even without ever qualifying for or using welfare-state benefits. On balance, this would be a win-win for everyone.

    On the other hand, if all the Haitians came here, who would be left in that country? Perhaps we could annex it as the 51st State. It would be about as big in area as Massachusetts and have half-again as many people (though fewer people than New Jersey, which is smaller in area than either). If the new State government could be "business friendly," it might attract a lot of the refugees from California, who are already used to building for and living through large earthquakes. They are also used to voodoo, though California custom seems to be to restrict its use to economics and medicine.

  • ||

    fantastic snark injection there at the end!

  • ||

    What can this poor California native say? Only the most fantastically snark-worthy targets can inspire fantastic snark.

  • ||

    In the above, I of course meant "the total 'illegal immigrant' population" of around 12M. My wacky broken laptop keyboard is sabotaging my cut-and-pasting yet again. Jeez.

  • Slap the Enlightened!||

    Haitians willing to emigrate today would typically experience vast and immediate increases in their standard of living and security

    Maybe one of our enlightened geniuses could tell us what this will do for the standard of living and security in the neighborhoods they move to.

  • anon||

    Theylltakeourjobs!

  • Hank||

    What fucking jobs?

  • Barack Obama||

    The fucking jobs I've been fucking in the ass for the last year.

    And I'm gonna fuck MORE jobs before I'm done with you peasants.

  • ||

    DERTAKINAWRYOBS!

  • ||

    DEYTOOKARJERBS!!!1

  • ||

    Right, because as we all know, Haitians are criminals. By default. Isn't collectivism grand?

  • Slap the Enlightened!||

    How many are you planning to take into your home when they get here?

  • ||

    None, you twit.

  • SIV||

    Are you going to buy groceries for all the Haitians who don't earn above the ever-increasing threshold for SNAP (food stamps)? Well yes,you are,along with the rest of us.
    There is a huge difference between supporting open immigration and subsidizing the importation of poverty.

  • Slap the Enlightened!||

    Uh... don't we call people who are generous at other people's expense "socialists"?

  • SIV||

    But they're fiscally conservative and socially liberal so it's OK.
    Maybe there's a secret cosmotarian Cloward-Piven strategy to swamp our social welfare system so that it is replaced with a true laissez-faire minarchy.

  • Harold Head||

    That's the difference between the classical liberal and the leftist liberal. The leftist liberal knifes his countrymen in the back with a socialist knife, and the classical liberal knifes them with a capitalist knife.

    I'm tired of getting knifed in the back!

    NO MORE LIBERALS!

    Enough is enough!

  • ||

    DEY.TUK.DUR.YARBS!!!!!!!

  • ||

    we are not going to be accepting into the United States Haitians who are attempting to make it to our shores. They will be interdicted. They will be repatriated.


    We're rednecks, we're rednecks

    We don't know our ass from a hole in the ground

    We're rednecks, we're rednecks

    And we're keepin' the niggers down

  • ||

    How many Haitians are you volunteering to take into your home? You aren't racist are you?

  • zoltan||

    I like how the choice here is take Haitians into your home or don't support immigration. Fucking morons--people should be able to come to the U.S. without ridiculous immigration restraints--this does not mean such people should be living in my house.

  • ||

    But but... DEY TUK AWR YERBS!!!

  • The Libertarian Guy||

    Maybe Barry could sign an executive order forcing us to take Haitian refugees, without regard to our willingness or fiscal ability to provide them food and shelter.

    Would that make you happy, Chris?

  • anon||

    where is all this weird shit coming from? did FreeRepublic's server crash today?

    why are the only choices people can conceive A) forcibly prohibit Haitians (and Cubans and Mexicans) from coming to the US or B) forcing Americans to allow them to sleep on their couches and pay for their groceries?

    how about just letting them come here and work and live peaceably like normals?

  • SIV||

    how about just letting them come here and work and live peaceably like normals?

    10% of the population is on SNAP (food stamps).10% of the "workforce" is receiving unemployment benefits.17+% of the able-bodied working age population is not working.Those percentages skyrocket for people in roughly the same demographic as Haitians.Under current law Haitians are eligible for social welfare benefits as refugees or legal permanent residents without waiting for 5 years like most other nationals.

    That's what living here like normals is.It is going to cost, a lot.

  • ||

    Haha yes, everyone here supports food stamps in addition to open immigration. Yes.

  • The Libertarian Guy||

    Ask Chris, our newest "everyone who isn't a liberal, is a racist" troll.

  • hmm||

    Chris is back!!!

    I knew I felt a tingling down in the nether regions.

  • heartless||

    Let's face it ... accepting a massive influx of Haitians will increase the crime rate here, lower educational standards wherever they live, and generally pollute the gene pool. Keep them there and send aid ... don't bring the dregs of humanity here.

  • Hugh Akston||

    So that's the problem with Haiti. Their criminal tendencies and lack of education are genetic. Probably better to just take off and nuke the site from orbit in that case. Just to be sure.

  • adagio ||

    Hugh Akston, don't give heartless any ideas. There is a possibility that with right atmospheric conditions and winds the polluted gens could reach the US.

  • SIV||

    generally pollute the gene pool

    Troll or RACIST! ?
    I'm betting troll.

  • ||

    ... and generally pollute the gene pool.

    You fly a confederate flag from your mobile home trailer, don't you?

  • Hank||

    Confederate flag? Only racists in the South? The comment you are referring to is certainly obnoxious, but let's not jump on the fucking South.

  • SIV||

    Why not? We're the source of all evil.

  • adagio ||

    We're the source of all evil BBQ sauces.

  • SIV||

    Only the sweet tomato based syrupy stuff is evil.Vinegar is good and mustard morally neutral.

  • adagio ||

    morally neutral? Depends were you put it.

  • adagio ||

    Where

  • Suki||

    WHOA! Mustard based BBQ sauce is something to be exterminated.

  • ||

    that's just crazy!

  • ||

    DEYTAKEERYOBS!!

  • heartless||

    Hugh ... not a bad idea. One less problem for the Empire to deal with and an immediate improvement to the collective human gene pool.

  • IceTrey||

    Sure, why don't we just let any poor person who wants too come here. I'm sure American can handle a population of 5 billion or so.

  • Slap the Enlightened!||

    There you go! America for everyone - except Americans!

    Cosmotarians: Working hard to take the "We" out of "We the people"!

  • Zeb||

    To a non-collectivist, "we" is not restricted to include only one's own little tribe.

  • SIV||

    We can't expect them to get here on their own. We need publicly-funded refugee boats.Think of the job creation in social services signing them all up for transfer payments.Fiscally conservative and socially liberal... Yeah!

  • vince||

    Here's the basic problem with a massive influx of Haitians:

    http://www.vdare.com/misc/rushton_african_iq_map.htm

    Sorry, but these people are not at all likely to be net contributors to the country. 200,000 Haitians means 200,000 more votes for the Democrats and their ruinous agenda.

  • Slap the Enlightened!||

    You don't suppose Dr. Rushton is flying a Confederate flag from his double-wide, do you?

  • SIV||

    Does he have an example of every generation of GM F-body (that's a Camaro for you ignorant cosmos) in partial primer and up on blocks except for the latest which he is hiding from the repoman?
    You're more prosperous confederate flag-flying singlewides all do.

  • Who's Sean Hannity||

    IS this the weekend hate?

  • Player Hater's Ball||

    Hate. Hate. Hate.

  • Who's Keith Olbermann||

    No, it starts Monday, when I make some idiotic comparison like "the end of campaign-finance reform = Dred Scot".

    Watch for it on MSNBC!

  • Who's Sean Hannity||

    I just have to wonder about the mental wellbeing of a person, who in the face of tragedy, worries that we might offer food and shelter to those who've lost everything. If the headlines are legit, over onehundred thousand folks have died, and people here are worried they may end up on a welfare roll, Duh.

  • Who's Ed Schultz||

    Bringing people here from other countries and putting them on welfare is your idea of improvement, right?

  • Who's Rachel Maddow||

    We need to get as many Haitians here as we can... so we can rush their citizenships through in time for the November elections.

    Um, I mean, so we can help them.

  • Who's Karl Marx||

    Piffle. You are ALL slackers. Look, your proletariat is still not eviscerated properly, and your chocolate-colored leader has been in power HOW long?

    Were I alive, I would show you fools how to properly oppress an entire nation.

  • Who's Sean Hannity||

    If that possibility bothers you than you must be up in arms over newly free corporate money influencing elections.

  • Who's Paul Krugman||

    Yeah! Only unions should have that ability!

  • ||

    Uh why does open immigration automatically mean welfare?

  • Who's Sean Hannity||

    What passes through that head of yours? THeir homes, jobs, and probably a friend or relative could be gone. Your sitting there freaking out about welfare. Yeah, give them some "welfare" help rebuild homes, give them food, assistance to fix things up. That looks like a road to improvement. i would say help them find a job, but having a job is another entitlement, or so I've heard around here.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    How much Haitian aid has gone out in recent days, directly from the pockets of those who voluntarily contribute? How many non-profits and charitable organizations are helping right this minute to alleviate the Haitian suffering?

    Or is that not good enough for you, WSH?

  • The Libertarian Guy||

    I wonder if Barry is still thinking about shitcanning tax deductions for charitable donations... which might answer your question above, Mr. FIFY.

  • ||

    i've heard they're talking about changing the code to allow people to deduct haiti donation from LAST years taxes actually...

  • The Libertarian Guy||

    Pure pandering on Barry's part. He is no fan of private donations, because it bypasses the government handout machinery.

  • ||

    oh, i don't doubt that. just thought it was interesting in light of earlier plans to scrap deductions as you pointed out.

  • The Libertarian Guy||

    Agreed, ransom. Wonder how far off the burner Obama will put "shitcan tax deductions for charitable donations" now?

  • ||

    probably after the next election i would guess, TLG. this bank tax is enough populism to keep the classes at each others throats for now i think..

  • The Libertarian Guy||

    Good guess on the timeline, but I hope you're wrong. No offense.

  • Who's Sean Hannity||

    What conversation are you responding to, I was talking about the sick people around here who are freaked out that some Haitian out there may get a couple bucks in welfare......OOHHHHHHHHHH SCARY

  • The Libertarian Guy||

    I'm talking about Haitians coming here and then getting on welfare, WSH.

    Which, as Mr. FIFY pointed out, is a good way to bolster Democrat voter rolls, and thus a good incentive to get the refugees here ASAP.

    "Welfare" shouldn't extend beyond our borders. It's bad enough we have able-bodied Americans on the dole, which is not what "promote the general welfare" was supposed to be, but I digress...

  • Mr. FIFY||

  • Who's Sean Hannity||

    Much better that they stay there and eat rocks, yeah that's so much better than the possibility of building a life here, and get a couple bucks a month while they do so. This is just my two cents, but from the immigrants that i've seen, there haven't been any who were content to stay on welfare. If we had an actual growing economy with these things called jobs, then yeah, i would wonder about how many were on welfare. It wasn't the left that wrecked the economy, but I'm wasting my breath with that, you're going to believe what ever simpleminded boogie man that's been planted into your head.

    Your priorities are a little sick.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    American people are digging in their own pockets to send money and supplies to Haiti...and you're STILL bitching?

    Obama's fucking the economy with a big rusty pipe, and you don't see it happening?

    Talk about screwed-up priorities...

  • The Libertarian Guy||

    Notice how he keeps saying "a couple of bucks"... and how he avoids admitting it's the Democrats who are currently wrecking the American economy.

    Stock-in-trade for leftists, though.

  • The Libertarian Guy||

    If we had an actual growing economy with these things called jobs

    Yeah, that would be nice. How's that job-creating thing going, Obama? Still think you can raise taxes and energy prices and STILL create jobs and grow the economy?

  • Who's Sean Hannity||

    TLG,

    Is your mind really that simple, have you not been able to pull your head out of the R or D ass. The democrats wrecked the economy, are you seriously swallowing that swill. Let's see, we've had welfare reform, NO healthcare reform except for the quiet Bush changes, Free trade agreements for those who ask, business friendly attitude for over a decade, dwindling labor movement, flexible labor, and cap and trade is going nowhere,i could go on, the dial has been in that direction. I don't know what country you live in, but this place has been antileft for a long time. If anything remotely socialist sounding comes down the pipe....TEH HORROR without another thought.

  • The Libertarian Guy||

    In the past decade, I have voted for one Republican - Ron Paul - and two Democrats - on the local level, so I am not a fan of R or D politics as a rule.

    Which is why I'm not a fan of remotely-socialist things. Yes, for once, you are right about something.

  • Who's Sean Hannity||

    Yes, because I, in the face of a natural disaster, am worried about the relocation and welfare assistance for said people.

    TEH HORROR

    Oh yes, Obama.....TEH HORROR

    Said pipe isn't corporate friendly....TEH HORROR

    Oh wait, Obama is catering to their interests, I'll pretend i didn't hear that.....TEH HORROR

  • Mr. FIFY||

    No, WSH... you want as many Haitians here, on our welfare rolls, so they can eventually vote for YOUR political party of choice.

    And said party's only interest in helping the Haitians is exactly as I laid out in the previous paragraph.

  • Who's Sean Hannity||

    WOw that's some wicked delusion right there. Your thoughts are a little lumpy, but here let me try to be clear. Actually, I'm not sure i can, you're gonna scream....TEH DEMOCRATS TEH HORROR, no matter what i say. BUt really, let's try to be grownups. If they need welfare to rebuild their lives then i have no problem with that. Is your opinion of immigrants so low that you think they are all welfare queens. I've seen many immigrant neighborhoods, and many have moved into mine. DO you know what they do? They build, businesses and homes, if they get welfare right off the boat, it doesn't scare me. Overall, they'll put more into this country than you ever will.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Overall, they'll put more into this country than you ever will

    What an elitist attitude.

  • Who's Sean Hannity||

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHa

    "Elitist attitude"

    OMG this site has been overrun by FAUX republicans....TEH HORROR.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Matt Welch's legacy he must be so proud

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Typical liberal response.

    And FYI,I don't need any talking head of any right/left-wing stripe to tell me how to think. Can't say the same, can you?

  • Libertarian self-esteem dept||

    Mr. FIFY, What have you built?

  • Who's Sean Hannity||

    He's built liberal caricatures to bedevil his mind, can't you tell?

  • Mr. FIFY||

    What caricatures?

  • The Libertarian Guy||

    If he builds anything substantial, he'll be punished with higher taxes. So why bother?

  • Zeb||

    Not sure how it is elitist for someone to suggest that Haitians are harder working or more productive than you.

  • The Libertarian Guy||

    WSH was just using that as an excuse to slather on the government-is-good whitewash.

  • Who's Sean Hannity||

    Actually, i was commenting on the people, like you, who were up in arms over the slim possibility that Haitians might receive welfare. You, surprise surprise, have offered nothing but canned responses from Faux conservative websites. Furthermore, this place is really starting to resemble places such as TOwnhall and freeRepublic, especially when Matt WElch posts.

  • Who's Sean Hannity||

    It's telling that you have to rely on variations of "Liberals are destroying this country" or "they're only doing that to get Dem votes" to respond to my argument. I voted for one democrat in my life and i was 18, but anyone who disagrees with you gets the state, "You and your Obama loving lefty loving" tripe. Sad

  • Warty||

  • SIV||

    9 minutes of game video?Who the fuck is gonna watch that? I demand Scandinavian metal as atonement.

  • Warty||

    Youtube really let me down. I wanted a pithy Haitian-slaughtering video, but noooo.

    Fuck your demands.

  • SIV||

    We didn't use enough nukes.

  • Warty||

  • Suki||

    The earthquake weapon was inherited from the Bush administration and needs more refining.

  • Skwisgaar Skwigelf||

    You wants Scandsinavians death metals? Dethklok is the most brutals metal bands in all the worlds. Fucks yours others bands!

  • David E. Gallaher||

    Ain't it funny how "defending borders," like the wars on drugs, wars on pornography, etc... all these wars on non-human intangibles ends up hurting real humans real bad?

  • anon||

    hi-frickin-larious

  • SM||

    This is too funny...you people are stealing my money to pay for your border enforcement...and some of you supposed "libertarians" want to keep it up? I can't believe this. Maybe you need a link to the dailykos or some neocon site....statists...

  • Mr. FIFY||

    DailyKos? Neocon? Are you serious?

  • Nancy Pelosi||

    That's MY line, oppressive white male.

  • Nancy Pelosi's Cuckold||

    Better do what she says.

  • Rachel Maddow||

    Men are the reason Coakley lost the election, you know. Because they're all misogynists.

    Some of the women are misogynists, too.

  • Janeane Garofalo||

    AND racist.

    Trust me, I'm an expert on that subject.

  • SM||

    I'm beginning to wonder if any of these other people are...how quickly the will abandon their rights to have a little more "safety" from the hatians...its unreal.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    It would be amusing to watch an obvious immigrant from, say, Scandinavia, trying to pass themselves off as Haitian...

  • David E. Gallaher||

    I've known a lotta "libertarians" for a lotta years, and I've always been taken aback by their coldness. Maybe it's because of too many years living in their momma's basement?

  • The Libertarian Guy||

    Bets on how many Dems are licking their chops in anticipation of an increased Haitian voter base? Because that's the only reason Dems would be in favor of bringing in thousands of Haitian refugees - get 'em hooked on welfare, find some way to give 'em voting rights, and BAM! higher poll turnouts.

  • Bertha Lewis||

    BAM. Free Haiti!

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Hmm... sounds like "nation-building", and we all know how well THAT turns out...

  • Barack Obama||

    That is part of My Plan, to have all Haitian refugees become citizens so they can vote for Me in 2012.

    Bitches.

  • Chony Morris||

    WE LOVE YOU, MR. PRESIDENT!!!

  • Ernie the Bear||

    How long will it take until everyone who is here illegally will magically become Haitian?

  • ||

    "Fucking morons--people should be able to come to the U.S. without ridiculous immigration restraints--this does not mean such people should be living in my house."

    Or, presumably, living off a substantial part of my income. That's the problem.

    We don't live in a libertarian society. We live in a welfare-society which would be required to support the immigrant-Haitians till they became self-supporting.

    I get such a kick out of libertarians extolling the virtues of free immigration while always ignoring the very real costs to the citizens of the country they'd be immigrating to.

  • SM||

    So lets take more of my rights and more of my money and hope the effects will save me some of my rights and money in the long time...brilliant. You just provided the rational for an increased welfare state. Thanks a lot.

  • Slap the Enlightened!||

    I suppose if you ask for a drink of water, that's a rationale for drowning you in the swimming pool? Your binary logic would imply it is so.

  • The Libertarian Guy||

    That's how liberals like Chris think:

    People are "entitled" to welfare, citizen or not.

    Fuck that Tenth Amendment, while we're at it. Just another quaint anachronism like the First Amendment.

  • case closed||

    Craig,"living off a substantial part of my income. That's the problem" Get a better job. Problem solved.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    And make ten thousand dollars for each member of your family, for taxes on your existence... because that's what Chad figures we owe the government in rent.

  • ||

    Ladies and gentlemen, come see the amazing consequentialist! Able to discard moral principles in a single bound!

  • Zeb||

    I don't ignore those costs. I just think that free migration is more important. Free movement of labor is as important as any other aspect of free trade and does good in spite of the non-libertarian society we live in.

  • hmm||

    I'm a little leery about importing entire populations. Seems like most of the European countries that did are running into some issues at all levels of government and society.

  • case closed||

    Ya, look how the US turned out.

  • hmm||

    Uh at no point in recent history did the US import entire populations. There were mass migrations in the past like the Irish, German, and Cuban, but those were people who came here, not people relocated by our government. There's a distinct difference.

  • ||

    So what European country imported what entire population?

  • hmm||

    More than a few granted citizenship to colonials. It wasn't an importation per se, but had the same effect.

    I'm not against immigration at all and think the way it's handled today is atrocious. My sister in law just became a citizen at the end of last year and I wouldn't put my worst enemy through that cluster fuck. I just think knee jerk reactions, even those that elevate suffering in the short run, are not a good thing.

  • ||

    It had the same effect? Really? I've been to Macao. Even a colony that small was not emptied by the departure of the colonial power.

    As for knee jerk reactions, presumably you've been around here long enough to realize that free migration is not a knee jerk reaction: it's the well-considered opinion of a lot of people. The Haiti disaster simply offers yet another argument for why freedom is better than state prohibition or compulsion.

  • hmm||

    Free migration and importing people is not the same thing. If they want to come fine, but I don' want my government going out looking for every hard luck case to bring here.

    You're conflating immigration with relocation. Turning people way is bad, offering free rides to every tom dick and harry, is bad, making citizenship a thousand times harder than it should be is bad. Don't think I'm boiling this down to simple immigrants bad. I didn't even scratch the surface of entitlement programs already existing. No that's not an assumption that everyone coming will take advantage of entitlements, but other countries have seen their entitlement outlays increase due immigrant population from giving colonials citizenship.

    Giving colonials citizenship didn't cause problems in the colonies. There is no simple solution and to espouse one is a mistake.

  • ||

    Then when you said "import entire populations", you actually meant "didn't import entire populations".

    Could you please use the <hyperbole> tag in the future?

  • hmm||

    Or fire up the common sense machine. Either way. /shrug

  • Libertarian self-esteem dept||

    Common sense is overrated.

  • hmm||

    So are hand jobs from one armed midgets.

  • Libertarian self-esteem dept||

    That would be true if you had two appendages. Does HMM an acronym for Has Much More?

  • hmm||

    You've had a hand job from a one armed midget too? Holy cow I thought I was alone in this universe.

  • Libertarian self-esteem dept||

    I heard your dryer buzz

  • hmm||

    You have sonic hearing too? Or are you outside my window?

  • Libertarian self-esteem dept||

    Psychic ;-)

  • Libertarian self-esteem dept||

    Now you are drinking a glass of ???

  • heartless||

    Craig +1 ...
    libertarianism does not ask that we put blinders on and fail to do what is best for the nation.
    Haitians = welfare state leeches, Democrat voters, HIV infected, low IQ bottom feeders.

  • Jerry||

    I think those Haitians could easily raise the IQ levels of several U.S. states.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Would that work in blue states?

  • The Libertarian Guy||

    +1

  • ||

    "libertarianism does not ask that we put blinders on and fail to do what is best for the nation."

    Apparently it only asks that we follow the principle of freedom until black people want to come into your country. That's just crossing the line I guess. Screw freedom, we can't have dumb black Democrats with AIDS running around wild in this country!

  • ||

    I propose a new class of visa. It authorizes entry, travel, residence, and labor in the United States for anyone who applies and passes a background check. But no holder of this visa -- or their children, be they immigrant or citizen -- can receive individualized welfare. Nor does this visa offer any path to citizenship. Bearers will need to qualify for, apply for, get in line for, and receive other visas to get on the citizenship path.

    Any problems with letting Haitians have that? It'll make illegal immigrants legal too.

  • Slap the Enlightened!||

    I'll buy that with one additional provision - the bearer forfeits any claim to protection under US law.

  • ||

    Any claim to protection from foreign authorities perhaps, to avoid people fleeing prosecution or the like -- though presumably this would be caught in the background check.

    But why no protection under US law? What the hell? It can't be expense, since that is pretty much the cheapest service the government provides.

  • Zeb||

    Why? Just need to be more of a dick?

  • SIV||

    Any problems with letting Haitians have that? It'll make illegal immigrants legal too.

    Generally I have no problem with that at all, but it ain't gonna happen.Balko more or less proposed giving 5 million Haitians the "opportunity" to come here under our current system.How do you think that might work out?

  • ||

    Oh. And Balko's proposal is going to happen?

  • SIV||

    see first comment at the top

  • SIV||

    But mass Haitian immigration to the US is less improbable than your new visa proposal.

  • ||

    You'd have some serious Equal Protection issues if you're going to deny welfare benefits to citizen children of immigrants. National origin is one of the protected classes.

  • ||

    I know lots of people who were born in the US -- even people whose parents were born in the US -- who don't get welfare.

    There must be some other decision making process going on...

  • hmm||

    How about we stop subsidizing US rice into Haiti, or all together. There's a plan.

  • ||

    Why do you hate black earthquake victims, dude?

  • hmm||

    Why do you hate Hope and Change? WHY!!

  • Reality Check||

    The earthquake in Haiti has laid bare the consequences of our restrictive immigration policies, particularly their effects on desperately poor people overseas.


    Really? Is that what it did? Or did it further expose what a poor shithole Haiti is?

    Countless Americans have been moved by the images and stories from Haiti

    Texting $10.00 to Haiti as a reaction from the TV is one thing - that makes people feel good about themsleves. But, ultimately, most Americans haven't lost a second of sleep over Haiti and would just as well eat a bowl of their own shit as adopt people "from the TV."

    A golden door visa to America, whether temporary or permanent, would have a larger and ultimately more lasting impact on the lives of the world's poorest, in Haiti and beyond.

    Sure it would. So would subsidizing energy for the rest of the fucking world with a new world energy rationing scheme. Or free health care. That sounds good too. What kind of idiotic precedent would that set for the next fucking natural disaster in the next shithole around the world. Perhaps we should set up a transatlantic super rail to Africa in anticipation of the next disaster. Brilliant idea, Michael!

    Perhaps you libertardians, not living in a Libertopia, should try and libertarianize one society at a time - start with the U.S.!

  • ||

    "Really? Is that what it did? Or did it further expose what a poor shithole Haiti is?"

    Yes, Michael is saying that is the only thing it has shown. In fact, Michael thinks Haiti is heaven.

    "Texting $10.00 to Haiti as a reaction from the TV is one thing - that makes people feel good about themsleves. But, ultimately, most Americans haven't lost a second of sleep over Haiti and would just as well eat a bowl of their own shit as adopt people "from the TV.""

    Yes, the Haitians don't want our money, they want our heartfelt tears and sympathy, dammit!

    "Sure it would. So would subsidizing energy for the rest of the fucking world with a new world energy rationing scheme. Or free health care. That sounds good too. What kind of idiotic precedent would that set for the next fucking natural disaster in the next shithole around the world. Perhaps we should set up a transatlantic super rail to Africa in anticipation of the next disaster. Brilliant idea, Michael!"

    Ah, except opening our borders doesn't involve taking one person's property and giving it to another. All of your ideas, on the other hand, do.

  • Slap the Enlightened!||

    Ah, except opening our borders doesn't involve taking one person's property and giving it to another. All of your ideas, on the other hand, do.

    Nice dodge there. It does, however, involve the transfer of assets from those who created or developed them to those who obviously did not.

    The difference between the cosmotarian and the socialist is that the socialist proposes to redistribute assets by government force, whereas the cosmotarian seeks to promote redistribution by depriving the government of the authority to execute it's legitimate functions in the interest of it's citizens.

    Same outcome, different means.

  • Zeb||

    ?

  • ||

    "Nice dodge there. It does, however, involve the transfer of assets from those who created or developed them to those who obviously did not."

    No, it doesn't. Opening our borders does not involve any transfer of assets (which counts as property, so yeah that wasn't a dodge).

    "whereas the cosmotarian seeks to promote redistribution by depriving the government of the authority to execute it's legitimate functions in the interest of it's citizens."

    Well I don't know about cosmotarians, but we libertarians don't think the government shouldn't be doing anything besides protecting the rights of individuals. So until you can explain how not allowing certain people to come into the country protects our rights, you're wrong.

  • ||

    All I know is these people need our help NOW. Everyone needs to do something to help.

    Kess
    www.total-anonymity.de.tc

  • hmm||

    I refuse to help the National Organization for Women.

  • Michael Ejercito||

    Cheaper just to rebuild Haiti once than jhaving millions of new welfare cases in the country.

  • ||

    Last March, 51 percent of Haitians polled told Gallup that, given the opportunity, they would leave their country permanently...

    If that many people are that pissed off about their country's performance, why don't they work to change it for the better? There's nothing inherently wrong with the land they live on -- the Dominican Republic is right next door and, while it's no utopia, it's at least a moderately functional country.

  • .||

    +1

  • Citizen Nothing||

    All I know is if I were Haitian I'd do whatever it took to get to the U. S. with my family and would say a hearty "fuck you" to the border-fetishists who tried to keep me out.

  • GF||

    This.

  • Citizen Nothing||

    Or, I could take the Tulpa route and work to change the cultural and political institutions of Haiti while watching my children starve. Actually, I think I'd prefer the boat/"fuck you nativists" solution.

  • ||

    Actually, Haiti's economy had been improving since that robber (and Clinton buddy-buddy) Aristide was sent packing in 2004. So quite a few Haitians have been taking "the Tulpa route" as you so eloquently put it.

    Of course, Haitian immigration would be a moot point if the hyper-non-interventionists among us have their way, after China takes over the Caribbean and implements a PRC-style no-emigration system there.

  • .||

    Or perhaps you could wait to have your children until after you worked to change the cultural and political institutions. You know - the way some folk wait until they have become financially able before bringing new life into the world - so they don't have to watch them starve or use a bit of emotional extortion to get others to feed them. But maybe you figure you have some right to breed at the expense of others? Probably think health care is a right, too, huh?

  • Libertarian self-esteem dept||

    Sounds like a fight. Proceed

  • Citizen Nothing||

    Ah, the Yellow Menace! I thought they might be making an appearance!

  • ||

    You become more and more unserious at every encounter. While I obviously do not find Chinese people menacing, I do find totalitarian governments with global aspirations menacing. And you should too.

  • Libertarian self-esteem dept||

    Been there. Poverty was incredible.

  • Chinamen||

    We're coming for you, Tulpa!

  • ||

    If you knew the national origin of my name, you would understand why I'm a bit snippy about potential PRC invasions.

  • smartass sob||

    The earthquake in Haiti has laid bare the consequences of our restrictive immigration policies, particularly their effects on desperately poor people overseas.

    You mean the US' restrictive immigration policies are responsible for Haiti's poverty? That's interesting. Are they responsible for all the other third world shit holes in the world as well?

  • ||

    No, immigration policy is only responsible for half of them. Global warming is responsible for the other half.

  • ||

    For the open border types here, what would your position be if every last one of the 5.8 billion people currently living outside the US wanted to emigrate here all at once? I don't see how you have any moral reason in your philosophy to stop them from doing so.

  • Pink Cosmotarian||

  • ||

    For those who actually think Americans should be able to move between states without managed approval from the government, what would your position be if every last one of the 290 million people currently living outside Manhattan wanted to emigrate there all at once? I don't see how you have any moral reason in your philosophy to stop them from doing so.

  • Libertarian self-esteem dept||

    Would it still float?

  • Zeb||

    Then I could move to one of the newly empty continents and start Libertopia there. Sounds like a good plan.

  • Libertarian self-esteem dept||

    Dick

  • Old Mexican||

    The earthquake in Haiti has laid bare the consequences of our restrictive immigration policies, particularly their effects on desperately poor people overseas.

    So the only thing is needed is a destructive country-wide earthquake hitting Mexico to show just how utterly stupid and xenophobic is the US Gov's immigration policies when it comes to my countrymen, and that will solve everything! Right?

  • Libertarian self-esteem dept||

    No, left

  • Apostate Jew||

    Jesus Christ on a pogo stick! What the hell is happening to Hit and Run?

    (sadly drinks)

  • Libertarian self-esteem dept||

    Yes, my son. I am here to reform you

  • ||

    I think College Conservatives is pranking us.

  • ||

    Wow, these consequentialist utilitarian arguments about what would happen to the country if we stopped using force to keep ["poor, black, genetically inferior"] people from moving here (gasp) sound very familiar. Those who oppose open borders simply can't, in good conscious, call themselves libertarian. If you're willing to use force on someone so that they can't come into a certain country, then you are an aggressor and a statist. I implore you to leave the real libertarians alone and move on to a conservative website where you will find many who share your views.

  • SM||

    I've found not many people here can...they all seem to be liber-tarians....to a point...you just have to find the point they switch to liber-als...a lot of "half absolute" types here...some fold at "national defense," some fold at "abortion," some fold at "immigration"...what these fools don't realize is that when they fold, they discredit their entire rational for being libertarians...turns out they're just a little less liberal than the average dailykoser....not libertarians at all...

  • ||

    Well I think liberals would agree on open borders. The conservatives wouldn't.

  • Slap the Enlightened!||

    Those who oppose open borders simply can't, in good conscious, call themselves libertarian.

    Tell that to Murray Rothbard or Milton Friedman, both of whom were known as libertarians before you started to shave.

    In fact, I can't think of a single classical libertarian economist of any note that ever did advocate open borders. At least not until cultural Marxist such as yourself showed up and started hijacking the word "libertarian" to apply to what amounts to international socialism.

  • ||

    Would that be this Milton Friedman?

    "If you have free immigration, in the way we had it before 1914, everybody benefited. The people who were here benefited. The people who came benefited. Because nobody would come unless he, or his family, thought he would do better here than he would elsewhere. And, the new immigrants provided additional resources, provided additional possibilities for the people already here. So everybody can mutually benefit."

    "But on the other hand, if you come under circumstances where each person is entitled to a pro-rata share of the pot, to take an extreme example, or even to a low level or the pie, than the effect of that situation is that free immigration, would mean a reduction of everybody to the same, uniform level. Of course, I'm exaggerating, it wouldn't go quite that far, but it would go in that direction. And it is that perception, that leads people to adopt what at first seems like inconsistent values."

    "Look, for example, at the obvious, immediate, practical example of illegal Mexican immigration. Now, that Mexican immigration, over the border, is a good thing. It's a good thing for the illegal immigrants. It's a good thing for the United States. It's a good thing for the citizens of the country. But, it's only good so long as its illegal."

    "That's an interesting paradox to think about. Make it legal and it's no good. Why? Because as long as it's illegal the people who come in do not qualify for welfare, they don't qualify for social security, they don't qualify for the other myriad of benefits that we pour out from our left pocket to our right pocket. So long as they don't qualify they migrate to jobs. They take jobs that most residents of this country are unwilling to take. They provide employers with the kind of workers that they cannot get. They're hard workers, they're good workers, and they are clearly better off."
  • ||

    Thank you for defending sanity.

  • ||

    As for Murray Rothbard, I assume you are talking about his later-in-life position on immigration, as described here:

    However, on rethinking immigration on the basis of the anarcho-capitalist model, it became clear to me that a totally privatized country would not have "open borders" at all. If every piece of land in a country were owned by some person, group, or corporation, this would mean that no immigrant could enter there unless invited to enter and allowed to rent, or purchase, property. A totally privatized country would be as "closed" as the particular inhabitants and property owners desire. It seems clear, then, that the regime of open borders that exists de facto in the U.S. really amounts to a compulsory opening by the central state, the state in charge of all streets and public land areas, and does not genuinely reflect the wishes of the proprietors.

    Forgive me for saying so, but this argument is beyond stupid.

    Which is more likely:
    1. Everyone in an anarchist society universally and unanimously disallows passage, residence, and employment to immigrants?
    2. At least one person or enterprise in an anarchist society offers passage, residence, or employment to immigrants?

    I'll agree that the 5 billionth immigrant will probably have more trouble finding a local to help him than the first will, but the borders are open to both in an anarchy. It's simply more explicit that the immigrant needs to make sure that he pays his own way.

  • SM||

    Oh, i always wondered, if i bought all the land around someone's house, could i keep them on their property until they died, by refusing them passage onto my property? Cause there are a few people i would do that to if given the chance...

  • ||

    Only if you owned the airspace above your property. I could see the person making some kind of bridge over your property.

  • ||

    In fact, I can't think of a single classical libertarian economist of any note that ever did advocate open borders.

    How do you classify classical liberal economists who wrote in the decades and centuries before World War I, when pretty much every border was effectively open at that time?

    Did, say, Ricardo go out of his way to advocate closed borders?

    At least not until cultural Marxist such as yourself showed up and started hijacking the word "libertarian" to apply to what amounts to international socialism.

    Of course you realize that the first wide uses of "libertarian" were by international socialists -- anarcho-syndicalists to be precise.

  • ||

    "Tell that to Murray Rothbard or Milton Friedman, both of whom were known as libertarians before you started to shave."

    You're delusional. MikeP is licensed in detecting delusions and has given me his expert opinion on this.

    "In fact, I can't think of a single classical libertarian economist of any note that ever did advocate open borders."

    What about... say... Milton Friedman... and ummm... Murray Rothbard?

    Note that open borders does not mean: "Oh come on in and squat on my property!" It means: "No one will stop you from entering this area where there are various properties that will allow you or want you to enter."

    "At least not until cultural Marxist such as yourself showed up and started hijacking the word "libertarian" to apply to what amounts to international socialism."

    First of all, you show your ignorance of the history of the word libertarian, which was first used by French anarcho-socialists.

    Second of all, I am no "cultural Marxist." I am a cultural Capitalist. Your labeling is both idiotically baseless and false.

  • Reality Check||

    I implore you to leave the real libertarians alone and move on to a conservative website where you will find many who share your views.

    Is that your anti-open-website policy? I implore you to take up residence in the Second Life Libertopia.

    Those who oppose open borders simply can't, in good conscious, call themselves libertarian.

    Those who oppose single-payer can't call themselves progressives, in good conscience. Those who support pro-choice can't, in good conscience, call themselves conservatives. Nice job exacerbating the idealogical nightmare that plagues this country.

    As far as my post above, take notice of the posting identity - Reality Check. It wasn't meant as an argument against open borders. I'm all for open borders. It was commentary on the reality of the situation.

    I'll strive to become more of a hellertarian, though. Wtf!

  • ||

    "Is that your anti-open-website policy?"

    No, that is a request.

    "Those who oppose single-payer can't call themselves progressives, in good conscience. Those who support pro-choice can't, in good conscience, call themselves conservatives. Nice job exacerbating the idealogical nightmare that plagues this country."

    I think you are forgetting the difference between libertarians and progressives/conservatives. The difference is that libertarianism is a political philosophy that stands on certain principles, and if you oppose those principles, you should not call yourself a libertarian. A liberal, however, can choose whatever position he/she wants as long as he/she thinks it will be "progressive," just as the conservative can support anything that he/she thinks is "traditional."

    "As far as my post above, take notice of the posting identity - Reality Check. It wasn't meant as an argument against open borders. I'm all for open borders. It was commentary on the reality of the situation."

    Can you read sir? This is where I addressed my statements to certain people: "Those who oppose open borders..."

    If in fact you are not one of these people, then why do you think my post was addressed to you?

  • Reality Check||

    No, that is a request.

    Is that a request rooted in your profound understanding of libertarianism or assholeism? What's Reason's trademark, free minds and free markets? What don't you understand about that, ma'am?

  • ||

    Yes, I'm enslaving your mind by REQUESTING you to stop. Did I tell you you don't have a right to speak your mind? Did I threaten you with force to make you stop? Did I in any way ignore or threaten your freedom? Again, I request you to stop being such a baby. Your tendency to read things in my comments that aren't actually there is annoying, sir.

    Do you have anything to say about my other comments, or is there just nothing negative for you to see in them?

  • Chad||

    In Libertopia, open immigration would be the idea policy.

    We do not live in Libertopia, and suffer no shortage of unskilled workers.

    Deal with the real world for once, please.

  • SM||

    Exactly...concequentialism to the rescue...we're all liberals now...

  • ||

    Chad, The Real World(tm) dictates that I shoot you in the foot so that I can steal your wallet to buy food for my starving family. You're OK with that right?

  • hehe ||

    i like this and i hope that everyone in haiti gets help and everything that they need :) i love you all in haiti and here! :P HELP US RAISE MONEY AND ITEMS FOR HAITI! :P

  • hehe ||

    i like this and i hope that everyone in haiti gets help and everything that they need :) i love you all in haiti and here! :P HELP US RAISE MONEY AND ITEMS FOR HAITI! :P

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