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Southern Poverty Law Center Exposes White Supremacists in the Military
According a new report to be released today by the watchdogs at the Southern Poverty Law Center, dozens of members of the neo-Nazi networking website "New Saxon" (go find the link yourself) describe themselves as active-duty members of the U.S. armed services in their online profiles.
In other words: Some of those in armed forces are also those who burn crosses—at least on the Internet. (Zack de la Rocha almost nailed it, I guess.)
The Stars and Stripes reports:
On Friday, the [Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC)] will present its findings to key members of Congress who chair the House and Senate committees overseeing the armed forces and urge them to pressure the Pentagon to crack down.
“In the wake of several high-profile murders by extremists of the radical right, we urge your committees to investigate the threat posed by racial extremists who may be serving in the military to ensure that our armed forces are not inadvertently training future domestic terrorists,” Morris Dees, SPLC co-founder and chief trial counsel, wrote to the legislators. “Evidence continues to mount that current Pentagon policies are inadequate to prevent racial extremists from joining and serving in the armed forces.”
One servicemember on the site announced that he had been in the Army for five years, and that he "will do anything to keep our master race marching." Comments like these suggest more than just casual racism—a lot of the content seems like the expression of deeply-held beliefs by committed white supremacists. The whole thing is disturbing even if it's probably not very widespread.
The U.S. military's policy against racial extremism in the ranks is similar to its policy regarding homosexuality. Both policies are framed as safeguards against forces—racism and sexual tension—that could undermine unit cohesion.
Since "don't ask, don't tell" was implemented in 1993, about 12,000 servicemen have been discharged for revealing their homosexuality. The lackadaisical enforcement of the ban on white supremacism means that few, if any, white supremacists have gotten the boot. Which is more dangerous to unit cohesion: a gay man, or a neo-Nazi?
Mike Riggs told Reasoners what's wrong with "don't ask, don't tell" a year ago.
|7.10.09 @ 12:49PM|#
I'm not sure I get it. "Don't ask; don't tell" is moot if some
third party is trolling the web looking at soldiers' Facebook
pages, right?
Is there evidence that Neo-Nazis "revealed" their extremism and
weren't dismissed, or that homosexuals were dismissed by a third
party outing them?
|7.10.09 @ 12:50PM|#
Im sure Lonewacko, 24.com and other Buchananites will come defend this since you know White Supremacists support "traditional" values.
Jesse Walker|7.10.09 @ 12:51PM|#
a gay man, or a neo-Nazi?
Why can't he be both, like the late Earl Warren?
|7.10.09 @ 12:52PM|#
A person that is both this this ignorant and this passionate makes a damned fine soldier. Especially when the wars are in brown countries.
|7.10.09 @ 12:53PM|#
I think the real question is which is more dangerous to liberty: purging the military of people who have a extremely rare sexual deviation, or purging people from the military for "extremist" political views? The SPLC comes right out and uses the term "radical right". That's white nationalists they are talking about, but it's also us. What the SPLC is advocating is purging the military of anyone who disagrees with their vision of authoritarian socialism. The end goal is to turn the armed forces in to a personal army of political zealots that answers only to Obmama. It's what Ernst Röhm wanted to do in Nazi Germany- a move that even Adolf Hitler rejected as too extreme.
|7.10.09 @ 12:56PM|#
How many of those 12,000 ousted gays were straight guys who wanted out of the military before their commitment was up? How many were stop-lossed into becoming gay?
hmm|7.10.09 @ 1:00PM|#
Oh no! People on the internet are talking smack? About race?
Jesus help us what will we do. I guess we could throw them in jail.
Persecute them for voicing their opinion. Clearly an opinion based
on race or worse a negative opinion on race should be illegal and
stopped.
I wonder when they are going to expose other social clicks withing
the military? Gay people, back pride, La Raza members. Or do we
just focus on the white supremacist? Sometimes too much of a good
thing is a bad thing. This is getting dangerously close to that
point.
Isn't there some rule or something that protects distasteful
language and discussion?
So some rednecks dislike other people based on race. They can do
that. It's okay. If they act on those dislikes and infringe upon
someone else's rights then we can go after them.
Fluffy|7.10.09 @ 1:00PM|#
I think it's dangerous to start banning people from military
service for their political views.
On the other hand, don't all recruits have to swear an oath to
defend the Constitution? Being gay doesn't contradict that oath,
but belonging to some Christian Identity or White Nationalist
groups does. As would membership in a Stalinist
organization. If you can't honestly swear to defend our republican
institutions and ALL of our citizens, then you shouldn't be in the
military. If for no other reason then the fact that your membership
in the military is potentially an element of a conspiracy to
subvert the military against the republic.
|7.10.09 @ 1:01PM|#
From the snippet quoted, the problem with white supremacists in the military isn't that they make it dangerous for non-whites in the military and non-whites in countries where our military is stationed... apparently, the *real* danger is that the military trains potential domestic terrorists, who might inflict collateral damage on (shudder), whites.
|7.10.09 @ 1:03PM|#
Meh. Methinks Intern Flanigen has a future writing for the evening news. All reaction, no substance.
hmm|7.10.09 @ 1:04PM|#
I forgot to add I don't care what you fuck or want to fuck. If
you shoot straight and follow orders your a welcome addition to the
line.
Which is more dangerous to unit cohesion: a gay man, or a neo-Nazi?
Considering the level of homophobia through out all races in the
military I would say the gay man.(I'd say the minorities black and
Latina are far more homophobic than most whites) The real question
is who fucking cares about either if they are willing to do their
job.
|7.10.09 @ 1:10PM|#
How about we radically reduce the size of the military until we
get involved in a war (not started by us, of course)?
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Oh, I crack myself up.
DHS|7.10.09 @ 1:15PM|#
don't all recruits have to swear an oath to defend the
Constitution?
That's how you know they're right-wing extremists.
|7.10.09 @ 1:23PM|#
dozens of members of the neo-Nazi networking website "New
Saxon" (go find the link yourself) describe themselves as
active-duty members of the U.S. armed services in their online
profiles.
And nobody with neo-Nazi leanings would ever lie about being
active-duty military on the intertubes, would they?
Purging the military of those with unacceptable political views -
what could possibly go wrong?
Gilbert Martin|7.10.09 @ 1:25PM|#
The Southern Poverty Law Center sees "white supremecists" under
every rock.
It's part of their business model to feed that kind of stuff to the
leftists in and outside the media who love to lap it up and cite
the SPLC as the authority on such things.
The Southern Poverty Law Center doesn't even remotely resemble any
sort of authority on anything.
ktc2|7.10.09 @ 1:32PM|#
I remember being called before my CO one Monday afternoon
because somebody passing in the hall of my on-base apartment heard
he word 'nigger' being used in my apartment, repeatedly.
I was fortunate enough to have my friend who said it come with me
to this "meeting". He's black. He admitted it was him, that was the
end of it.
God Fearing Atheist|7.10.09 @ 1:33PM|#
For fucks sake, what someone thinks is not a crime nor a call to action for a bureaucracy.
Peter|7.10.09 @ 1:34PM|#
Won't all these neo-Nazi get stuck in a tough spot with only a few other soldiers left trying to find their way out of some hostile situation together and ultimately come to like their black fellow soldier, condemning their previous ways and becoming normal citizens? That's how it works in the movies...
Sosnowski|7.10.09 @ 1:36PM|#
Yes, something like that does happen a lot. Gradual, not very
dramatic though.
Smartass.
24AheadDotCom|7.10.09 @ 1:39PM|#
1. LibertarianBlue (chevydriver007@gmail.com) appears to be
someone who pollutes debate at volokh.com by misleading about
others' positions, and yet an example can be seen in its comment
above. Obviously, it has to lie since it has no argument.
2. What Reason fails to note, of course, is all the issues relating
to the Southern Poverty
Law Center. Instead of admitting tha they might be right about
some things while opposing them overall, Reason promotes them (see
the title).
3. Five days ago (not the usual three weeks) I discussed an
amendment designed to keep "hate groups" out of the military.
Except, Holder gets to define "hate". Oh, and it includes
"extremists" and not just those who are violent. And, it includes
those taking part in blogs and forums.
P.S. In case anyone replies to this, their responses will almost
assuredly be ad homs, thereby conceding my points and showing the
childish, anti-intellectual nature of libertarians.
ChrisO|7.10.09 @ 1:42PM|#
I wonder if the SPLC would be equally worried about soldiers who
are members of La Raza, MEChA, the New Black Panther Party or the
Nation of Islam?
From what I've seen, the "White Power" movement consists of a
handful of toothless yokels who aren't capable of accomplishing
anything, and who certainly aren't winning over legions of their
fellow "Aryans."
As Gilbert Martin says, this appears to be more about Morris Dees's
bank account than anything substantive.
Warty|7.10.09 @ 1:52PM|#
Shut the fuck up, Lonewacko. Have the courage of your convictions and become a Neo-Nazi. Or a homosexual. One of the two.
edna|7.10.09 @ 1:53PM|#
And nobody with neo-Nazi leanings would ever lie about being
active-duty military on the intertubes, would they?
bingo. did i mention that i'm a famous porn star who's also a
billionaire? and my nobel prize?
From what I've seen, the "White Power" movement consists of a
handful of toothless yokels who aren't capable of accomplishing
anything, and who certainly aren't winning over legions of their
fellow "Aryans."
double bingo. why does anyone pay attention to them? oh yeah,
publicity and money.
Sosnowski|7.10.09 @ 1:54PM|#
24, I'll field this one:
Your ending catch phrase has always been stupid. However, you are
quite right: it is bizarre to see such an article in Reason, even
on a blog. Besides, there haven't been any real Nazis since 1934
and even those guys were idiots.
|7.10.09 @ 1:57PM|#
1) you take a shot at LibertarianBlue.
2) you take a shot at Reason.
3) you take another shot at Reason.
didja cum yet?
</a|7.10.09 @ 2:07PM|#
I wonder if the SPLC would be equally worried about soldiers
who are members of La Raza, MEChA, the New Black Panther Party or
the Nation of Islam?
Of course not. Ethnic solidarity is only a bad thing when white
people practice it.
kilroy|7.10.09 @ 2:10PM|#
According a new report to be released today by the watchdogs at the Southern Poverty Law Center, dozens of members of the neo-Nazi networking website "New Saxon" (go find the link yourself) describe themselves as active-duty members of the U.S. armed services in their online profiles.
Bill
Flanigen is an idiot.
Kolohe|7.10.09 @ 2:17PM|#
Read the article this morning in an actual paper version of
stars and stripes. Some thoughts:
1) The stripes reporter found 130 people when he searched on
'occupation' for 'military' There are about 500,000 in the active
duty army, another 700,000 in the rest of the services, and another
million or so in the reserves. Compared to 130, I think the miltary
has found more cases of swine flu.
2) As said above, coming out to your command for being gay or
racist is different than keeping your gayness or racist views to
yourself. And to be frank, most of the cases that are making the
news of people being discharged under DADT are basically acts of
civil disobedience (and everything positive and negative that
implies). Not to say there haven't been witchhunts in the past or
could be at present. But everyone pretty much knows or supsects at
least one dude in their unit who probably bats from the opposite
side of the plate, even if they don't know it themselves.
3) The dude that the stripes interviewed *was* being processed out
of the miltary for being incompatible with the service.
4) When you post on that site, you're not just slpc politically
incorrect, you're a flat out racist. if found you should be kicked
out of the military. Your views are *not* conducive to
accomplishing the mission.
5) Shut the fuck up lonewacko.
Kolohe|7.10.09 @ 2:20PM|#
One more thing. Love how all of them were 'single but looking
for the right white woman to propogate the race'.
With smooth talk like that, who needs Axe?
ChrisO|7.10.09 @ 2:31PM|#
4) When you post on that site, you're not just slpc
politically incorrect, you're a flat out racist. if found you
should be kicked out of the military. Your views are *not*
conducive to accomplishing the mission.
That's an interesting POV. I'm kind of mixed on it, personally,
simply because I fear the onset of any sort of ideological barrier
to military service.
However, anyone who posts on "New Saxon" is clearly a fucking tool
who would seem more likely to do something counter-productive in a
bad situation. The military has to be able to expel people like
that in order to maintain effectiveness.
On the other hand, the ban on gays in the military is simply
stupid. I've heard some of the better-argued rationales for it
(unit cohesion and all that), and it still isn't convincing. If a
soldier does something that causes unit disruption for any reason,
they should be disciplined, but the mere fact of their sexual
orientation doesn't constitute "doing" anything.
Jesse Walker|7.10.09 @ 2:39PM|#
What Reason fails to note, of course, is all the issues
relating to the Southern Poverty Law Center. Instead of admitting
tha they might be right about some things while opposing them
overall, Reason promotes them
Ahem:
America's Right Turn tells how Morris Dees' letters kept McGovern's candidacy afloat. It doesn't mention the peculiar profitability of the Southern Poverty Law Center, the civil rights group Dees co-founded in 1971, which raises boatloads of cash with manipulative mailings that wildly exaggerate the prevalence of "hate groups" and of racially motivated violence.
Writing in Harper's in 2000, Ken Silverstein pointed out that the center had earned $27 million from fund raising and $17 million from investments the previous year but had spent only $13 million on its programs. "Dees's compensation alone amounts to one quarter the annual budget of the Atlanta-based Southern Center for Human Rights, which handles several dozen death-penalty cases a year," Silverstein noted. There's a thin line separating spam from scam.
|7.10.09 @ 2:46PM|#
The Southern Poverty Law Center sees "white supremecists" under
every rock.
It's part of their business model to feed that kind of stuff to the
leftists in and outside the media who love to lap it up and cite
the SPLC as the authority on such things.
The Southern Poverty Law Center doesn't even remotely resemble any
sort of authority on anything.
Here, here!
|7.10.09 @ 2:47PM|#
Jesse Walker, that was not an ad-hom, childish anti-intelectual response. Just what kind of libertarian are you?
|7.10.09 @ 2:57PM|#
Found this chick on the "New Saxon" site:
SchwarzundRot
Female
17 years old
Cleveland, Mississippi
United States
and also apparently into heavy S&M bondage, sign me up!
BeesInTheBrain|7.10.09 @ 2:58PM|#
I'm lost as to the point of this article, can someone explain it
to me? Usually my reading comprehension is fairly high but could
someone explain if I understood it correctly.
My understanding of the logic flow is
Facts
Of the 15000+ murders in the US each year "several" of them are
perpetuated "by extremists of the radical right" (I'm guessing
there are referring to less than 12 based on other language in this
article.)
Of the over 2 million military personnel "dozens" have posted on a
neo-Nazi website. (I'm guessing the max "dozens" could be is 98,
otherwise the phrase over a hundred would have been used.)
Few, if any, white supremacists have gotten the boot. I am kinda
wondering where the supporting evidence for this is but we will go
with it.
Conclusions
That somehow that somehow identifying a maximum of 98 out of 2
million people being racist and 11 out of 15000 murders constitutes
"mounting evidence" that the military isn't keeping enough racists
out.
A conclusion that Bill seems to support by stating that the low
number of discharges is the result of "lackadaisical enforcement of
the ban on white supremacism."
Personally I would expect that if the best evidence if of "dozens"
out of 2 million the number of discharges would be low. I am
especially confused as to how there could be any expectation that
the number of white supremacist kick out of the military could be
anywhere near "12000" based the SPLC's evidence.
Abdul|7.10.09 @ 2:58PM|#
Well, if there's one thing neo-nazis do well, it's fight.
And if we have to send someone into harm's way, why not them?
I'm kinda warming up to this idea.
|7.10.09 @ 3:06PM|#
Being a racist doesn't mean you're violent, but I think it's a good idea to be on the lookout for wackos who join the military, a la Timothy McVeigh..
ShutterGeek|7.10.09 @ 3:19PM|#
Hmm,
"Considering the level of homophobia through out all races in the
military I would say the gay man.(I'd say the minorities black and
Latina are far more homophobic than most whites)"
I would suspect that anti-neo-nazi sentiment (especially among "the
minorities black and Latina") is at least as prevalent as anti-gay
sentiment. Do you have any statistics that suggest your view?
I'm leaving aside, for the moment, the questionable logic that we
should forbid participation by someone because they might be
discriminated against.
hmm|7.10.09 @ 3:19PM|#
I must be one of the sockpuppets.
Careful. The SPLC has identified military trained sockpuppet hate
groups and I hear they have been rampaging through Walmarts and
Kmarts killing your young and undeveloped sockpuppets.
Being a racist doesn't mean you're violent, but I think it's a
good idea to be on the lookout for wackos who join the military, a
la Timothy McVeigh..
The glaring assumption being that the views and willingness to act
on those views are present when serving. Most who enter the
military do so at a younger age. How many people maintain the same
views they did between between 18-22 and between 30-34?
MJF|7.10.09 @ 3:20PM|#
And here I thought this was an ironic contribution in furtherance of Reason's look at Time magazine scare stories.
|7.10.09 @ 3:23PM|#
This is kind of like when McCarthy started looking for
"communist infiltration into the military."
Except Dees, unlike McCarthy, apparently isn't an alcoholic who
will die when his liver shuts down. Oh, and McCarthy did it for
power, Dees is just out to scam money.
The reality is that the military overall has, and continues to be,
ahead of society at large in terms of race relations and
equality.
Interestingly enough, Southern population centers with nearby
military bases tend to be islands of desegregation whose
desegragation tended to spread from those islands.
|7.10.09 @ 3:29PM|#
I have heard that they found the tags of street gangs like the Bloods and the Crips (have no idea if these gangs are there or not just the most famous) in Iraq. I have also heard that these street gangs have ordered some of their members to join the military in order to get military training. I haven't RTFA, but I doubt they care about that.
|7.10.09 @ 3:32PM|#
"Interestingly enough, Southern population centers with nearby
military bases tend to be islands of desegregation whose
desegragation tended to spread from those islands."
rob, I livedd mostly in the deep south as a child including next
door to Fort Rucker Alabama. The local are around the base was and
is leaps and bounds ahaead of other areas of the south in race
relations and tolerance.
|7.10.09 @ 3:35PM|#
brotherben - Sorry, that was exactly what I meant: the bases and the surrounding areas tended to be models of tolerance. I once drove west from NAS Pensacola and stopped for gas in a part of Alabama that was nothing like Fort Rucker... it was an eye-opener!
T|7.10.09 @ 3:39PM|#
Well, Morris Dees and his meal ticket aside, are white
supremacists in the military? Yes, or at least they were in
1987-1993. Are there a lot of them? No. Are they a danger to unit
cohesion and morale? I doubt it. They didn't seem to be back
then.
The military gets points for being racially integrated, but the
true racists don't change their spots just because they joined up.
They just learn to keep their mouths shut. All the SPLC has proved
is that some people are incorrigible dumbasses. Gee, that's news
worth calling your congresscritter about.
Tomcat1066|7.10.09 @ 3:42PM|#
What is a Neo-Nazi? Does anyone know?
A Neo-Nazi is a racist who can stop bullets with his mind because
he's pure awesome.
Duh.
;)
|7.10.09 @ 3:45PM|#
I would think a bigger problem in the military is street gangs and the behaviors associated with thugs of that nature.
Peter Orvetti|7.10.09 @ 4:16PM|#
I tend to agree that folks should not be kicked out of the military because of their views -- but nor should they be because of their sexual orientation. But that's not the primary issue here. The issue is that, right now, both "neo-Nazi" views and open homosexuality are banned in the U.S. military. By ousting those "guilty" of the latter but not the former, the U.S. government is implicitly saying being gay is worse than being racist.
T|7.10.09 @ 4:24PM|#
By ousting those "guilty" of the latter but not the former,
the U.S. government is implicitly saying being gay is worse than
being racist.
Well, I'm just thinking out loud here, but wouldn't a neo-Nazi have
to have some connection to the original Nazi ideology? If you're
just a racist you probably wouldn't qualify.
OT: a buddy of mine in the army used to like to sandbag political
discussions by setting out positions very similar to the 25 Points
of National Socialism and getting people to agree with him. Then
he'd drop the "so, you're a nazi" bomb. Good times.
LibertarianBlue|7.10.09 @ 4:45PM|#
24.com
Spare me your wannabe intellectual talking points. Im going to go
out on a limb here and if say if some conservative news site found
proof that Black Panthers were in the military you would be one of
the first to scream kick them out of the military. So give me a
break.
Other note: Why is it when Reason brings up race, all the Daily
Kos, Freeper, and World Cunt Daily idiots show up?
Straight plotzi for the gay na|7.10.09 @ 4:50PM|#
Did you know that some Nazis are gay? It's true. Not all of them have come out of the bunker, mind...
|7.10.09 @ 4:59PM|#
Of course the SPLC is going after white extremist but what they fail to explain in the report is the other extremist in the military. Yes people MS13, crips, bloods , mexican mafia and the Latin Kings. Last time I checked these extremists group have caused more terror and chaos then Neo Nazi's ever have. The JDL and the SPLC time has come and gone. We have an black president.
Offender|7.10.09 @ 5:01PM|#
Original Song Title:
"Lazy Day"
Original Performer:
Spanky And Our Gang
Parody Song Title:
"Nazi Gay"
Parody Written by:
Offender
I can't quite put my finger on it, but something really creeps
me out about how all those guys from the old World War II film
always marched around in their tight black uniforms with all of
their limbs stuck out ramrod straight, as if they had a broomstick
up their... I think I know what it is now.
Jews die, barbed line,
Search lights shining, Luger fires in the dark;
Regime, hate dream,
Darkened sky: smoke stacks puff ashes and sparks...
He's a gay, and he's half-crazy; he likes to murder Jews;
He holds his hand erect as if to say: "Bugger you!"
Nazi gay;
Wish I could keep him away.
Nazi gay;
Gives me intestinal pain.
He likes sodomy. (He likes bigotry.)
How he buggers me! (He likes faggotry.)
Nazi gay, Nazi gay,
Nazi gay is such a sleaze!
Blue eyes, blond line;
Aryan with swastika on his arm;
Wotan, Ernst Roehm;
Leering at me, doing physical harm.
While he's plucking at my feathers, he eliminates the Jews.
Elimination fascinates him... troubles me, too.
Nazi gay;
Waving that thing in my face.
Nazi gay;
The Third Reich's secret disgrace.
As he's petting me (what a felony),
How it's fretting me (what I have to see)!
Nazi gay, Nazi gay,
Nazi gay says I'm a tease!
[Choral Interlude]
While he's plucking at my feathers, he eliminates the Jews.
He holds his hand erect as if to say: "Bugger you!"
Nazi gay;
Wish I could keep him away.
Nazi gay;
Gives me intestinal pain.
Nazi gay;
Waving that thing in my face.
Nazi gay;
The Third Reich's secret disgrace.
(etc.)
I've also seen a clip from a Nazi propaganda film that shows a
couple of the Hitler Youth soaping each other in the showers. Maybe
it was all perfectly innocent.
|7.10.09 @ 5:30PM|#
Lonewacko makes some good points about SPLC. It is a racist, extremist, big gubmint lovin' organization. Therefore, a journalist who takes pride in his work should always include certain fundamental facts about an organization in any story regarding the same.
24AheadDotCom|7.10.09 @ 5:42PM|#
Jesse Walker linked to a 2005 article he wrote that mentioned
the SPLC, but failed to note that at least once (and probably more)
Weigel promoted them, and that was more recent.
P.S. Maybe Jesse Walker would care to tell us why commenters (or
perhaps even contributors) from this site are going and
making Matt Yglesias look bad.
ChrisO|7.10.09 @ 6:08PM|#
Found this chick on the "New Saxon" site:
SchwarzundRot
Female
17 years old
Cleveland, Mississippi
United States
and also apparently into heavy S&M bondage, sign me
up!
Fact check:
Ernest
43 years old, 400 lbs.
Cleveland, Mississippi
United States
and also apparently into painting military figurines.
|7.10.09 @ 6:31PM|#
I can't think of anyone I'd rather have on the front lines in one of our numerous deadly international engagements than white supremacists.
Jesse Walker|7.10.09 @ 6:40PM|#
Jesse Walker linked to a 2005 article he wrote that
mentioned the SPLC, but failed to note that at least once (and
probably more) Weigel promoted them, and that was more
recent.
So one article "promotes" the SPLC and another one criticizes it,
and your conclusion is that Reason as an institution promotes the
SPLC? Even by your standards, that's a stretch.
Meanwhile, you might want to link to the article in which Dave
allegedly "promoted" the group, so we can decide for ourselves
whether your characterization is accurate. When it comes to reading
comprehension, your track record is, um, spotty.
P.S. Maybe Jesse Walker would care to tell us why commenters
(or perhaps even contributors) from this site are going and making
Matt Yglesias look bad.
I'd rather not get drawn into whatever persecution fantasy you're
spinning here. But if you're interested in chatting about something
other than the SPLC, maybe you could answer those three
questions you keep dodging?
|7.10.09 @ 7:16PM|#
The Southern Poverty Law Center doesn't even remotely
resemble any sort of authority on anything.
They are a good reverse barometer - anything that puckers up their
ani must be something to not be unduly worried about.
hmm|7.10.09 @ 9:12PM|#
Troll ownage in aisle 6, we need a clean up in aisle 6.
The SPLC, as with a lot of narrowly focused groups, tends to be
self serving in many respects. They also tend to practice a policy
of passive fear mongering.
Art-P.O.G.|7.11.09 @ 3:40AM|#
I can say from firsthand experience that most of the comments in
this thread are accurate.
Also, I found brotherben and Jesse Walker's demolition of 24
"Lonewacko" A Head delightful.
Howee|7.11.09 @ 6:46AM|#
Of course, Morris Dees and his ilk would NEVER take a similar
stance vs., say, communists (nor black racist groups.)
F*ck the Nazis, commies, racists of all sorts, and Morris Dees and
SPLC... but let 'em all exercise their rights.
|7.12.09 @ 12:08AM|#
How cans we even be axeing if it be allowed to throw these racist crackers out? Lordy Lordy, thank God for morris dees, he gonna get me promoted finally, get them whites out the way! BTW, the jet fighter plane was *stolen* from ancient egyptions by the white man, just like the internet. ;-)
|7.19.09 @ 8:40PM|#
What the hell is that racist, eugenicist organization UN doing
with that flag on the top of this website?
UGH.. I will never come here again.
LaRAZA should be added to SPLC if it really is an organization that
lists racism.
The founder of La Raza, Jose Angel Gutiterrez said the following ON
VIDEO:
"We have an aging white America….
They are dying…. They are ********
In their pants with fear! I love it"
"We're a new Mestizo nation."
"We have got to eliminate the gringo.
And what I mean by that is if worst comes to worse, we have got to
kill him."
Note: THEY ARE RECIEVING US TAX DOLLARS!!!
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