Radley Balko | January 26, 2009
The Supreme Court has unanimously overruled the Ninth Circuit in the case of Van de Kamp v. Goldstein, and broadened absolute prosecutorial immunity to include district attorneys whose poor supervision of subordinates may result in wrongful convictions. I wrote about the case last April:
Last week, the U.S. Supreme Court agreed to hear the case of Thomas Goldstein, an ex-marine who was convicted of murdering his neighbor.
Goldstein served 24 years before his conviction was thrown out when the main witness against him was shown to have lied. That witness was a lifelong criminal who was given a deal on his own charges in exchange for testimony that Goldstein confessed to him in a jail cell. Goldstein alleges that the district attorney's office that prosecuted the case routinely used the testimony of so-called "jailhouse snitches" prosecutors knew or should have known weren't reliable.
Goldstein's case is unusual because he's not suing the prosecutor who convicted him, but John Van de Camp, the district attorney who supervised that prosecutor. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit has allowed Goldstein's case to go forward, causing the U.S. Supreme Court to agree to hear it.
This isn't terribly surprising, but it's too bad. All the incentives for prosecutors right now point toward winning convictions. There's very little to hold them accountable when they go too far.
Currently, even if a prosecutor knowingly withholds exculpatory evidence in a case that results in a wrongful conviction, he can't be sued.
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I suppose that's what we get for trying to check our
betters.
Oh well, back to the mud pit...
I swear to God, this stuff is such a downer. No wonder people
stick their heads in the sand.
A bit off topic but John Van de Kamp is the spoiled rich offspring
of the Van de Kamp Bakery people. Used to have their mass produced
artery clogging psuedo-pastry in every major supermarket in the
Southland.
I guess this court wasn't satisfied with the infamy of Kelo
v. New London, so they had to do something even more
egregious.
-jcr
"""Currently, even if a prosecutor knowingly withholds
exculpatory evidence in a case that results in a wrongful
conviction, he can't be sued.""""
Who can you sue?
While I'm not for the degree of immunity they have, I have little
problem with a city or state that can not build that new whatever
because they a paying out on lawsuits. However, isn't that the
rationale that Scalia uses for ending the exclusionary rule, it
punishes the people, not the one's that deserve punishment.
They oughtta put the prosecutor on trial and if he's found
guilty of wrongfully trying a case where he has evidence of the
suspect being not guilty, he should get a prison term (ass-rape
variety) equal to the length of the accused he wrongfully
prosecuted.
I don't have that much of a problem with the supervisor not being
sued, though. If I commit an egregious error on purpose at my job
that causes a shit storm to ensue but my boss didn't micromanage me
to the point of insanity, how is he to blame? I was the one who
purposely ruined everyone's day. If a prosecutor purposely excludes
the truth, it's his ass.
Hopefully, they didn't rest their opinion on the "new
professionalism" of prosecutors.
I'm curious to see their justification of this ruling, but on the
face of it, it's pretty fucking outragous that prosecutors have
absolute immunity even when they behave criminally and that you
would have no recourse against a corrupt and grandstanding D.A. who
didn't care that you were innocent, just that your trial made good
news coverage for his upcoming political campaign.
Well, no legal recourse.
Innocents charged with murder need to realize not only that they
can't sue their way back to life after it's destroyed, but that
they have no chance of being found not guilty. It just doesn't
happen.
So, cost/benefit-wise, they should earn their way into prison by
murdering a prosecutor -- preferably their own, but it doesn't
really matter.
A few dozen hundreds might make a dent.
Is this the same court that has ruled that corporate managers
are liable for activities of subordinates in that managers 'should
have known' of the activities in question?
Time for me to get a well paid and highly protected govt position,
heck I could probably get away with murder.
Currently, even if a prosecutor knowingly withholds
exculpatory evidence in a case that results in a wrongful
conviction, he can't be sued.
How is this different from the Duke Lacrosse case? Last I checked
Mike Nifong was forced to declare bankruptcy, and the case against
the city is still pending.
The Supreme Court has unanimously overruled the Ninth
Circuit in the case of Van de Kamp v. Goldstein, and broadened
absolute prosecutorial immunity to include district attorneys whose
poor supervision of subordinates may result in wrongful
convictions.
Hey, remember back when we threw off the aristocracy and founded a
country on equality under the law? What happened to that,
anyway?
So tell us the truth, do you support full prosecution of all
involved in the show trial against the Duke soccer team?
How about those involved in Waco where Clinton reinvented the
quaint New England custom of burning people for their religious
beliefs?
How about the prosecutor who ran the Ramos & Campion
showtrial?
This is why some animals eat their young.
This is also why prosecutors and judges get concealed carry
permits. Not everybody who has a grudge against an officer of the
court is a scumbag criminal.
America was founded on the principle of equality before the
Law.
Here, we have Judges saying that this isn't true.
The days of we the People resorting to our last box of expressing
our displeasure is rapidly approaching.
Well, this should help you all feel a little better-
http://tinyurl.com/btu6jp
Durham-in-Wonderland article -
"On Wednesday, the Supreme Court handed down a ruling that could
weaken the Durham defendants' efforts to use a claim of qualified
immunity to avoid liability."
HJ,
Ramos & Compean deserved to be in jail the shot an unarmed man
in the back and left him to die in the desert, then proceeded to
cover it up and lie about it.
You'd hope those charged with the maintenance of rule of law in this country would actually be in favor of it.
homas Jackson | January 27, 2009, 12:53am | #
So tell us the truth, do you support full prosecution of all involved in the show trial against the Duke soccer team?
Actually, it was the Duke lacrosse team
How about those involved in Waco where Clinton reinvented the quaint New England custom of burning people for their religious beliefs?
Actually, in New England they hanged disenters and
witches. None were burned.
How about the prosecutor who ran the Ramos & Campion showtrial?
See ktc2 | January 27, 2009, 7:33am.
That's O for 3. Oh well, at least your heart's in the right place
even if your recall of history and current events is off.
I'm curious where all those conservatives who dump on the "sill 9th circuit" are during this thread? The 9th Circuit gets a lot of stuff right from a liberty perspective...
Hey, remember back when we threw off the aristocracy and
founded a country on equality under the law? What happened to that,
anyway?
Well, we didn't really succeed at that in the first place. At the
end of the revolution, the local gentry still had enough power to
crush the Whiskey Rebellion. It's been downhill from there.
-jcr
John,
Damn that Gallatin!
He chose the wrong side... should have shot Washington..
MNG, we call it the 9th circus. And I cheer on the rare occasion they rule for liberty, however, the unanimous decision tells me there is something about the case that makes it impossible to affirm.
John C. Randolph,
the problem is you didn't.... it's something you have to do every
generation and your g'g'granfathers doing it doesn't count....
"That was supposed to be Silly 9th Circuit (or wacky if you
will)"
I've always heard it called the Nutty Ninth.
"All the incentives for prosecutors right now point toward
winning convictions. There's very little to hold them accountable
when they go too far."
That statement by Balko, along with the tone of some of the
responses here, should be taken to heart by prosecutors. Eventually
those who cannot get justice within the system for prosecutorial
misconduct will realize they have no incentive to play along with
the system, and may take justice into their own hands to make a
crime worth their time.
Now while I'm certainly not advocating violence against
prosecutors, I won't be surprised if/when it happens more now, and
I won't shed any tears for them. By providing immunity to legal
recourse, the court is unintentionally incentivizing recourse
through...'other' means. Prosecutors have always been targeted, but
this can only make that situation worse.
I think this is one of those instances in which the first three boxes (soap, ballot, and jury) have already been tried unsuccessfully.
MNG, 9th Circuit is out to lunch in looney land 50% of the time and really, really right on 50% of the time. That's my wild assed guess from what I remember of their previous cases, anyway.
"9th Circuit is out to lunch in looney land 50% of the time
and really, really right on 50% of the time."
That sounds about like every courthouse in America.
Lamar, typical courthouses are 50% WRONG, but not as crazily wrong as the 9th Circus when they are.
"Lamar, typical courthouses are 50% WRONG, but not as
crazily wrong as the 9th Circus when they are."
There's probably some merit to that. The Ninth Circuit also has the
tendency to be correct in areas where most people would prefer to
look the other way. The ruling on "under god" in the Pledge comes
to mind. I remember thinking, they got it right, but it will never
fly.
And I'm curious: Is saying the Ninth is nutty purely a conservative pastime? It's a big circuit, there's got to be some conservative wackiness.
A lot of what makes the Ninth loony stems from the craziness
that is California. They're notorious for overreaching decisions in
regard to the entertainment world--rights of publicity, crazy
copyright rulings, etc. They're also generally very liberal and
more willing than most federal courts to ignore the black letter
law to get to favored results (something most courts are guilty of
to some extent, of course).
In the plus column, I think the court has been generally good on
immigration and on drug laws and on some other civil liberties
issues.
I've never practiced there, so I'm working from my memory of
reading their opinions in law school (and a few times since). It
may have changed some since then.
But SIV told me Scalia, Roberts, Alito, and Thomas are
libertarians!
I would not say that some measure of government immunity is
incompatible with libertarianism.
That said, boo SCOTUS.
"So tell us the truth, do you support full prosecution of all
involved in the show trial against the Duke soccer team?"
Um..I think it was the LaCrosse team.
That said, sure I think Mike Nifong ought to go to prison. He's a lying, cheating, publicity whore who ignored all evidence of innocence in the case to add to his reputation.
His attempt failed, of course, which means he should get it a little less hard than the guy who sent an innocent man to prison for 24 years.
"Um..I think it was the LaCrosse team."
They have a team that drives around in Buicks?
""Um..I think it was the LaCrosse team."
They have a team that drives around in Buicks?"
Yep.
In Wisconsin.
Is there an "R" missing in "SCOTUS" . . ?
Oh, well, it only hastens the day that we give up on the ballot box
and open the bullet box.
Eventually those who cannot get justice within the system
for prosecutorial misconduct will realize they have no incentive to
play along with the system, and may take justice into their own
hands to make a crime worth their time.
they would need to go further.
Our criminal justice system relies on both a physical
infrastructure and a social infrastructure.
Imagine if everyone over fourteen years old dropped dead. Or if a
Change were to make electricity and explosives
non-functional.
The only way to take down the system is to destroy society, and
there are plenty of ideas in speculative post-apocalyptic fiction
on how societies could collapse.
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