Jesse Walker | January 14, 2009
The creator, star, and frequent writer and director of The Prisoner, that wonderful '60s pop-surrealist anarcho-paranoid science-fiction TV series, has died at age 80.
Number Two: It doesn't matter which side runs the Village.
Number Six: It's run by one side or the other.
Number Two: Both sides are becoming identical. What in fact has been created? An international community. A perfect blueprint for world order. When the sides facing each other suddenly realize that they're looking into a mirror, they'll see that this is the pattern for the future.
Number Six: The whole world as the Village?
Number Two: That is my dream. What's yours?
Number Six: To be the first man on the moon.
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I have the complete DVD set (given to me by a friend), which I need to revisit soon. It's been a while.
I went dressed as Number 6 for Halloween 8 years ago. It took
fours hours before a guy walked by that knew who I was. And these
were IT people, too.
That day, I wept for geekdom.
I'm going to send a set of The Prisoner DVDs to the new
SoS, asking her, "Is this The Village you were looking for?" I may
also send an e-mail to President Obama asking him if he's the new
Number 2.
McGoohan was great in a number of other roles, too. I've always
regretted that he didn't perform in more films. Sounds like he had
better things to do that to act all the time. Good for him.
I went dressed as Number 6 for Halloween 8 years ago. It
took fours hours before a guy walked by that knew who I was. And
these were IT people, too.
See, this is why I dress as John McEnroe instead.
That day, I wept for geekdom.
Tell the truth--you were just blubbering because nobody got your
costume.
Time to break out the Iron Maiden album.
See, this is why I dress as John McEnroe instead. What?
You cannot be serious.
To the question of, "Who is number one?"
Is the answer:
"You are number six"
or
"You are, number six"
The last episode didn't help.
What? You cannot be serious.
Come on, joe. Curly-headed verbally-abusive guy who throws
hissy-fits if he doesn't get his way... Epi is John
McEnroe, he might as well dress up like him.
I'm highly dubious that you were, in fact, at an IT-geek party. Number 6 is still generally recognized. Your IT-geeks must've been kidnapped, taken to the Village, and replaced with exact duplicates. Exact, except that they are now left-handed!
It says something profound about McGoohan and about the character he created that I always think of The Prisoner when I hear "Number 6", not of the BSG character, despite the Cylon's vastly superior appearance.
I'm highly dubious that you were, in fact, at an IT-geek
party.
There were girls there, so you might be right...
But seriously, it had a bunch of people who did desktop support and
programming. I was fucking baffled. I even made the badge and
everything!
It was a weird party as is. Two guys dressed as Harry Potter got
into a fight with each other. A girl dressed as a slutty cop kept
showing everybody her hideous new tit-job and no one could figure
out who invited her. A tenured librarian dropped trou in the
backyard and took a huge dump while shotgunning a beer.
Brush with goodness:
I flew with Iron Maiden from London to New York when they were
starting their Powerslave American tour in 1984. They got really
drunk on the plane. The stewardesses [flight attendants] got really
annoyed.
"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered! My life is my own!"
Sam,
I'm familiar with Danger Man and know that Number 6 is
generally considered to have been Drake, but I've never seen it.
Good?
Funny, I just watched that episode a few days ago.
They're all online on at
http://www.amctv.com/videos/the-prisoner-1960s-video/
I can't opine, not having seen Secret Agent. I've only
heard the song.
"Fall Out" was easily the weirdest episode of television ever.
Number 6 is generally considered to have been
Drake
That's open to interpretation. McGoohan always denied it, though
some people offer arguments that his denials should be
ignored.
It's worth noting that the person who really did "resign" was not
Drake but McGoohan himself, when he broke free of Danger
Man and created his own television series. Maybe the Village
is really an elaborate metaphor for ITV, and the final episode
reflects the fact that McGoohan was executive producer all
along.
Maybe the Village is really an elaborate metaphor for ITV,
and the final episode reflects the fact that McGoohan was executive
producer all along.
That's the single most boring interpretation of the Prisoner that
I've ever heard. Either it's genius or rubbish, and I'm not sure
which.
PL,
I've only seen four or five, so caveat televisor... they
are a lot like early Avengers episodes. Kind of slow, very
talky, and all about brains or brawn. I liked what I saw, but I was
viewing them through a "looking for Prisoner clues"
lens.
Clearly, I need to watch it.
Odd, but I was responding to Jesse's post above, but now my
response comes before his posting. There's something very
Villagesque about that.
Either it's genius or rubbish, and I'm not sure
which.
Maybe I have a genius for spouting rubbish.
Now if six turned out to be nine,
Paul doesn't mind, no baby, Paul doesn't mind.
Maybe I have a genius for spouting rubbish.
That's rubbish, everyone knows you're a genius.
A tenured librarian dropped trou in the backyard and took a
huge dump while shotgunning a beer.
This was you...admit it.
Maybe the Village is really an elaborate metaphor for ITV, and
the final episode reflects the fact that McGoohan was executive
producer all along.
Just like Shrek was a metaphor for Jeffrey Katzenberg
working for Disney!
That's the single most boring interpretation of the Prisoner
that I've ever heard.
Impossible. All interpretations of The Prisoner are
equally boring.
I always wanted to walk up to McGoohan and say, "I saw The Prisoner. What happened?"
Number ∞,
That's fine, so long as you mean the interpretations are dull, not
the show.
McGoohan lived in L.A., never gave interviews, especially about
The Prisoner. My wife was (is?) a senior member of The Prisoner
fanclub in France as a teenager; she's visited The Village. Twice,
I think. She wears the bicycle pin with some regularity.
I always wondered if Victoria Clarke (that's the name, right?),
that DoD spokesman from the Rumsfeld days, was paying homage to The
Prisoner with her jackets.
This is a bummer. I first saw The Prisoner as a teen
and it made a h-u-g-e impression on me. I couldn't get enough of
it.
I'd like to say it started me down the path of
anti-authoritarianism, but I'm sure it contributed in its own small
and unique way.
Many of my lunch hours in Junior High (circa 1969) were consumed
by debating whether No. 6 was Drake.
I maintain that since McGoohan conceived of the Village having
played Drake, the unofficial answer is obviously Yes, but since the
shows were produced by different companies the official answer must
be No.
The starting point for The Prisoner is from a line in Secret Agent
Man's U.S. theme: They've given you a number, and taken 'way
your name.
Click my name to hear Johnny Rivers.
Cap'n NoStar
1986. World Science Fiction Convention in Atlanta. The Georgia
Libertarians hold a "Prisoner Party" in one of the big suites,
involving a lot of drinking and a all night viewing of the whole
series.
My wife at the time and I arrive in matching black outfits with
calligraphy buttons proclaiming "Ted Knight Lives!" (as he had just
died that morning).
At one point someone changes the tape, and what comes up is a
episode we have never seen before, with peculiar people walking
around the Village. Suddenly, we realize we are watching an artsy
porn film shot at Portmeirion. I am very drunk by this point, but
the guy playing Number 69 REALLY looks like McGoohan.
I've spent 20-plus years looking for a copy of this film.
I went dressed as Number 6 for Halloween 8 years ago. It
took fours hours before a guy walked by that knew who I was. And
these were IT people, too.
Wha? What kind of pop culture idiots do you work with?
Matt,
I'd heard he was a bit on the reclusive side. Fitting for Number 6.
I suppose his individual-vs.-The State position taken on the series
was a real one for him.
The Victoria Clarke comment makes me think I should've included a
nod to The Prisoner in my
The Top 100 Things I'd Do if I Ever Became a Libertarian
President. Like, "Dress as Number 6 during the State of the
Union address."
Jeff P,
Was the dwarf Number 2 in any of the scenes?
True made-up fact: Libertarians love dwarf porn.
Crap, I almost forgot--I met a guy who looked like a McGoohan
twin (though much younger) back in 2000-2001. I don't know where he
is today, but he was living in Seattle when I met him. He was the
husband of a woman I worked with at Washington Mutual, and I stared
at him so long when I first saw him that I had to say, "Did you
ever get abducted and live in a place called The Village?"
He could help remake your porn flick, Jeff P. Assuming he does that
sort of thing.
I used to get scared as a kid by The Prisoner, especially those killer balloons....in the 70s it used to be in reruns on (irony of ironies) PBS.
I had the opportunity to revisit Silver Streak the other month (it doesn't hold up well). McGoohan plays the baddie, and he's pretty great, if over the top.
By the way, where are we on Rover technology?
In my understanding, weather balloons have always had those
abilities.
Yes, if you get close enough to one. But I don't think they are quite that autonomous. I'm disappointed, and I imagine that our anti-immigration friends are disappointed, too. As are our anti-emigration friends, come to think of it.
That sucks. I just received the first season of the TV show
"Danger Man" on DVD today.
"Don't forget Danger Man (aka Secret Agent)."
While the above quote may, technically, be true, Danger Man and
Secret Agent are quite different. The original 30 minute-long
Danger Man never aired in the United States. The show came to the
United States was renamed Secret Agent and was an hour in
length.
Very sorry to hear he has passed away. What an achievement for
liberty "The Prisoner" was. I'm glad the Reason cats quoted that
exchange from "Chimes of Big Ben", because it really does capture
the essence of the program's outlook. I've always thought that the
scene is one of the most important in the series, and is often
overlooked. As far as the debate about Danger Man and Drake being
Number Six, the cool trick of "Prisoner" was how they brought in
former guest stars from "Danger Man" and gave the characters they
played the same names as they'd had on "Danger". The implication is
clear, Number Six is Drake, but, just like so many things in "The
Prisoner" (ex, the opening line of "you are Number Six" actually
revealing the identity of Number One if you insert the comma after
the second word), McGoohan had faith in the intelligence of the
viewer to make up his own mind. There hasn't been a pro-liberty
achievement like this on television before or since. It stands
astride the media like a colossus.
I loved the election. Where he tries to appeal to the public's
desire to be free and retain the scraps of individual liberty they
have left, and he ends up getting no attention. Only when he
changes his campaign slogan to "Less work, and MORE PLAY!" do they
cheer and back him. Nice.
He questions govt run roads, govt run courts, govt run schools, and
war. He pushes individual determinism, but wraps that up within a
Christian perspective (the "Be Seeing You" symbol was actually an
ancient Christian symbol, the "Sign of the Fish"), and tells us to
open our eyes to what is going on with the growth of government.
Awesome.
I do podcasts, and was planning on producing a pod questioning some
of the underlying fallacies of James Buchanan in accepting the
so-called necessity of the state when writing the goundwork he laid
out for the Public Choice School. This changes everything. Time to
concentrate on the remarkable achievement of McGoohan.
(BTW, fans of Dr. Who will note that in "Masque of Mandragora",
Portmerion is the location used to depict medieval Italy. Nice. And
one more thing, McGoohan said that the use of Number 1 facilitated
their ability to use the Roman Numeral I, like the word "I", the
singular pronoun, throughout the show, implying that we are
prisoners of our own making.)
Shit. Godamnit.
At least the man died leaving one great work of art.
Thanks, Patrick, for everything.
Gardner: Which episode had the scene where someone says something like "That would be anarchy!" -- and Number 6 replies, "Hear, hear!"?
Jesse-That could be Free For All. It's certainly a familiar
line.
Incidentally, I'm not using this handle as some kind of comment on
McGoohan's passing. I've been Number 6 on line for close to a
decade. That show was the best thing to ever appear on
television.
Jesse,
According to this
article (danger! PDF!), it's from "Carnival of
Death":
Number 2: "It's the duty of us all to care for each other. . .Without discipline there would be anarchy."
Number 6: "Hear! Hear!"
Jesse! Great memory! I don't recall which ep that line is from,
but I'll do some digging and see if I can find out!
Don't go being "unmutual" now, hear? :-)
Kaaaaaaahn! I just read that Ricardo Montalban has died at
88.
Cap'n NoStar
PL. Well done. In the span of a few minutes you come thru. Awesome.
Jeff P,
Would it have hurt us to allow Khan to enslave the
Enterprise? I feel bad now.
As a transhumanist I support eugenic supermen, but only if the
chicks dress like Khan's babe cohorts.
Fantasy Island did have some Prisoner-esque moments. It'd be a
great piece of fanfic if one was built on the cold war ruins of the
other.
Also, I always thought other brit TV stars should end up in the
Village. John Steed. Hyacinth Bucket. The Young Ones.
In tribute, a collection of Khan toys
http://trekmovie.com/images/khanfigs.jpg
My sister, younger, went for Secret Agent man, I for the
Prisoner. However, my friend Jenny Loren, who appreciated both, far
preferred the former, saying Prisoner was like one note isolated
from they symphony of John Drake.
And yes, of course they're the same character. McGoohan didn't own
the rights to Drake, or that would've been made explicit rather
than being left a tease. Jenny does say that as the Secret
Agent series drew to a close, the development of his character
and relationships prequel nicely to The Prisoner.
I share his and his character's birthday.
This site has lots of good Prisoner pics and tidbits:
http://www.bookmice.net/darkchilde/prisoner.html
One my favorite lines from Dance of the Dead goes something
like:
#2: Have a drink.
#6: I don't drink.
#2: Then you'll enjoy it all the more
I thinks it's about 20% because of this series I need a new bulb
for my projector (and another 40% just because of Blake's 7 and
Blackadder - yeah, nerd)
Don't forget that McGoohan appeared in four episodes of
"Columbo" and directed five (winning a couple of Emmys for his
work).
As for Montalban, I'll always remember him as the villain in
one of the weirdest "Wild Wild West" episodes.
I remember that episode of The Wild, Wild West! Great
fun.
Jeff P,
Lynda Carter is Wonder Woman.
Cathy Lee Crosby is a flat-chested loser. Check
me out.
Wondersome, right?
Y'know, as hot as Lynda was, that show was horrible. Three times as hokey as Bionic Woman. Especially when Diana Prince became a secret agent. There are no "classic" episodes of WW. Even as a hormonally driven teenager I found it unbearable. There were time you could actually see the soul-crushing pain on Lyle Waggoner's face as he delivered his lines.
BTW, McGoohan also starred in a Disney release called "The
Scarecrow of Romney Marsh", in which he played a smuggler who
fought oppressive gubment. The song was uncanny:
"Scarecrow! Scarecrow-o...
The soldiers of the King feared his name.
Scarecrow, scarecrow-o...
The country folk all loved him just the same."
And he had this "wicked" cackle, a signature laugh that would freak
out the baddies. Awesome. It's based on a real smuggler, who was
also the inspiration for an early Dr. Who episode in the
1960's.
One more item. Ron Grainer composed the theme for "The Prisoner",
he also did the notes for Dr. Who, that were turned into the most
incredible sounds by Delia Derbishire. Those Brits, man, they got a
heck of a lot of talent! :-)
Dude, the old Wild Wild West ruled. I wept tears when they
remade it with the f*cking Fresh Prince...
I for one loved the midget. Sweet.
RIP Mr McGoohan
The Prisoner's my fav TV show, I grew up not far from "The village"
and me and my mates used to go get High there when we were kids. My
sis got married there last year, now the rooms of the village are
rentable and have TV's that show the prisoner on loop!
Its a shame he didn't last out for the new series being shot in
Africa
http://www.sixofone.org.uk/Prisoner-Remake.htm
Can't be as good but should be entertaining all the same
Be seeing you >o
Those Brits, man, they got a heck of a lot of
talent!
Had talent, had.
British pop culture is 99.99% shit now.
MNG,
You fool!!! It was not Smith but Kevin Kline! Though had you had no
Kevin Kline, Smith would have made the movie unbearable then.
Naga,
That movie sucked on levels that movies shouldn't suck on. I loved
the series, though.
"At least the man died leaving one great work of art.
Thanks, Patrick, for everything."
Two.
John Drake was a secret agent of a type never seen before or since.
No gadgets, few guns, no supervillians, and he is often struggling
for his life of the lives of others.
"Secret Agent" was one of the Triad (Intellect). The others were
James Bond (Power) and "The Man From U.N.C.L.E" (Adventure).
If you saw representative episodes from all three series, you saw
every spy show you will ever need. If you missed one, your
education is sadly lacking and no substitute will suffice.
"BTW, McGoohan also starred in a Disney release called "The
Scarecrow of Romney Marsh", in which he played a smuggler who
fought oppressive gubment."
This is available on Disney DVD (one of the metal-packed
collections, I think it's packaged with Leslie Nielsen as The Swamp
Fox).
I watched the show as a little kid, and didn't make the connection
between McG as Dr Syn and McG as John Drake until seeing The
Prisoner. Beats heck outta me what synapse link fired to make me
see that!
Want a dose of irony? I just did a search at the Fry's
Electronics site for McGoohan. The result:
"Number of Items 6"
No Pro Liberate. Now don't get me wrong, it sucked hard. Two dollar hooker at a truck stop kind of sucking. However, I believe movies of which you speak are rare. Such as this one. More on this here.
While I watched most of The Prisoner and Danger Man as a kid, my
favorite Patrick McGoohan role was when he was featured in Columbo.
The acting chemistry between Patrick McGoohan and Peter Falk was
utterly brilliant. R.I.P. Patrick.
M.
Alcatraz was built to keep all the rotten eggs in one basket, and I was specially chosen to make sure that the stink from the basket does not escape. Since I've been warden, a few people have tried to escape. Most of them have been recaptured; those that haven't have been killed or drowned in the bay. No one has ever escaped from Alcatraz. And no one ever will!
http://blogs.amctv.com/scifi-scanner/2009/01/the-prisoner-full-episodes-online.php
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Oops.
Colin @ January 14,
2009, 2:45pm already posted this information.
I understand that on his death, a large, brilliantly white ball
engulfed Patrick and then ascended.
RIP Patrick...
World's most beautiful man. God should send him back as a
permanent 32 year old. Perfectly handsome men like Patrick McGoohan
should never
age.
My second grade school picture mimicks Pat's steely glare from
The Prisoner's opening titles. My prom tux was dark blue with white
piping.
By hook or by crook, we'll be seeing you, No. 6.
he was also the secret agent, a spy show with one of the
greatest theme songs in television history.
my own brush with goodness: growing up as a lad in pacific
palisades, there was a longstanding, pervasive rumor that patrick
mcgoohan had purchased the house next to the house behind us (so
that our properties touched at a single point) but nobody in the
neighborhood, and i mean nobody, ever caught sight of him. that's
how secret he was!
The Prisoner (that big ole bouncing ball and the villagers
shuffling about in their bright clothing) really helped shape my
view of the world.
And the evil masquerading as benevolence and caring that kept The
Prisoner from freedom.
No, I won't draw any parallels with this country's new world
order.
Will I ?
Gardner Goldsmith,
More McGoohan trivia...
My home (Dymchurch in Romney Marsh Kent) is the setting for the
entirely fictional Dr Syn, and the character has since become the
basis an enjoyable local pageant, complete with smugglers, excise
men etc.
McGoohan visited Dymchurch on several occasions and afaik used the
beaches to film the sequences with the man-eating balloons.
I have no idea what he thought of Dr Syn, but smuggling was a very
active affair on Romney Marsh for a long time, being isolated,
easily accessible by small boat and a shortish trip from France.
Government was a dirty word on the marsh, being synonymous with
taxes and soldiers. For various historical reasons, it had a unique
government setup and a special relationship to the British
crown.
Needless to say, it has since been absorbed into the local
government Borg, and the locals have been largely displaced, but
there are parts of the marsh where the old independent ethos
survives,and there is a healthy smuggling trade, though mostly in
people now.
I loved the Prisoner. I also loved it when McGoohan, as Edward Longshanks in Braveheart, tossed his son's lover out the window.
What always makes me laugh about the "Village" is that it resembles the town center of every freakin' "planned community" ever built in the U.S., like Reston and Columbia. You know, the faux-Bavarian "village" cluster fronting on a small artificial lake? Guys like James Reston were too dense to appreciate the irony of their "planned" designs, since the TV series preceded their designs by a few years. But then, many politicians, policy makers, media types and other celebrity loudmouths whose opinions we didn't solicit show the same lack of embarrassment when they sound like caricatures from an Orwellian nightmare.
""""""I loved the Prisoner. I also loved it when McGoohan, as
Edward Longshanks in Braveheart, tossed his son's lover out the
window.""""""""
Now, wasn't that perversely satisfying? Was it not also delicious
when the gay community screeched and howled that this was
deliberate homophobia?
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