December 18, 2008
Over in the Los Angeles Times opinion pages, Reason Senior Editor Brian Doherty debates Doug Henwood of the Left Business Observer on the issue of hard versus soft money, inflation, and removing politics from the economic equation. From Doherty's first salvo:
Deflations can be grim, and inflations can be grim. As a way to help ameliorate—though not eliminate—these often damaging fluctuations in currency value, I'm going to speak up for a line of thought I've long been sympathetic to: the hard money school of economics (the Austrian variety is my favorite) which posits that the best way to "manage" the money supply is to remove from political authorities the ability to make more of it willy-nilly.
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Libertarian Psalm 145
I will exalt You, my G-d the Market, and I will bless Your Name
forever and ever.
Every day I will bless You, and I will laud Your Name forever and
ever.
The Market is great and exceedingly lauded, and Its greatness is
beyond investigation.
Each generation will praise Your deeds to the next and of Your
mightly deeds they will tell;
The splendorous glory of Your power and Your wondrous deeds I shall
discuss.
And of Your awesome they will speak, and your greatness I shall
relate.
A recollection of Your abundant goodness they will utter and of
Your righteousness they will sing exultantly.
Gracious and merciful is The Market, slow to anger, and great in
bestowing kindness.
The Market is good to all; Its mercies are on all Its works.
All Your works shall thank You, The Market, and Your devout ones
will bless You.
Of the glory of Your kingdom they will speak, and of Your power
they will tell.
To inform human being of Its mighty deeds, and the glorious
splendor of Its kingdom.
Your kingdom is a kingdom spanning all eternities, and Your
dominion is throughout every generation.
The Market supports all the fallen ones and straightens all the
bent.
The eyes of all look to You with hope and You give them their food
in it's proper time;
You open Your hand, and satisfy the desire of every living
thing.
Righteous is The Market in all Its ways and magnanimous in all Its
deeds.
The Market is close to all who call upon Him - to all who call upon
Him sincerely.
The will of those who fear Him He will do; and their cry He will
hear, and save them.
The Market protects all who love Him; but all the wicked He will
destroy.
May my mouth declare the praise of The Market and may all flesh
bless Its Holy Name forever and ever. We will bless The Market from
its time and forever, Halleluiah!
"To a hammer, everything looks like a nail."
Am I the only one bothered by Bernanke discovering the precise
catastrophe he is an expert on shortly after he becomes the
Chairman of the Fed? I'm not saying that the economy isn't in
trouble, but are we really in danger of a deflationary spiral?
I will exalt You, my G-d the State, and I will bless Your Name
forever and ever.
Every day I will bless You, and I will laud Your Name forever and
ever.
The State is great and exceedingly lauded, and Its greatness is
beyond investigation.
Each generation will praise Your deeds to the next and of Your
mightly deeds they will tell;
The splendorous glory of Your power and Your wondrous deeds I shall
discuss.
And of Your awesome they will speak, and your greatness I shall
relate.
A recollection of Your abundant goodness they will utter and of
Your righteousness they will sing exultantly.
Gracious and merciful is The State, slow to anger, and great in
bestowing kindness.
The State is good to all; Its mercies are on all Its works.
All Your works shall thank You, The State, and Your devout ones
will bless You.
Of the glory of Your kingdom they will speak, and of Your power
they will tell.
To inform human being of Its mighty deeds, and the glorious
splendor of Its kingdom.
Your kingdom is a kingdom spanning all eternities, and Your
dominion is throughout every generation.
The State supports all the fallen ones and straightens all the
bent.
The eyes of all look to You with hope and You give them their food
in it's proper time;
You open Your hand, and satisfy the desire of every living
thing.
Righteous is The State in all Its ways and magnanimous in all Its
deeds.
The State is close to all who call upon Him - to all who call upon
Him sincerely.
The will of those who fear Him He will do; and their cry He will
hear, and save them.
The State protects all who love Him; but all the wicked He will
destroy.
May my mouth declare the praise of The State and may all flesh
bless Its Holy Name forever and ever. We will bless The State from
its time and forever, Halleluiah!
Except when you oppress and kill people.
...are we really in danger of a deflationary spiral?
Maybe. Who knows? What a stupid question.
I've never gotten a decent answer from Austrians on this site as
to why they prefer the arbitrary inflations and deflations which
would inevitably caused by fluctuations in the supply and
industrial demand for soft yellow metal over those tied to the
state of the economy. Or, how a metallic standard would cure the
primary cause of bubbles and crashes (human psychology and
extension of credit to dubious actors for uneconomic means.)
This latter isn't impacted one whit by being able to convert
currency into specie.
Hail Market,
Full of grace,
Prosperity is with thee.
Blessed art thou among systems,
and blessed is the fruit
of thy womb, Capital.
Holy Market,
Mother of Goods,
pray for us consumers now,
and at the hour of our bankruptcy.
Amen.
Chomsky on American libertarianism:
Man: What's the difference between "libertarian" and "anarchist,"
exactly?
Chomsky: There's no difference, really. I think they're the same
thing. But you see, "libertarian" has a special meaning in the
United States. The United States is off the spectrum of the main
tradition in this respect: what's called "libertarianism" here is
unbridled capitalism. Now, that's always been opposed in the
European libertarian tradition, where every anarchist has been a
socialist-because the point is, if you have unbridled capitalism,
you have all kinds of authority: you have extreme authority.
If capital is privately controlled, then people are going to have
to rent themselves in order to survive. Now, you can say, "they
rent themselves freely, it's a free contract"-but that's a joke. If
your choice is, "do what I tell you or starve," that's not a
choice-it's in fact what was commonly referred to as wage slavery
in more civilized times, like the eighteenth and nineteenth
centuries, for example.
The American version of "libertarianism" is an aberration,
though-nobody really takes it seriously. I mean, everybody knows
that a society that worked by American libertarian principles would
self-destruct in three seconds. The only reason people pretend to
take it seriously is because you can use it as a weapon. Like, when
somebody comes out in favor of a tax, you can say: "No, I'm a
libertarian, I'm against that tax"-but of course, I'm still in
favor of the government building roads, and having schools, and
killing Libyans, and all that sort of stuff.
Now, there are consistent libertarians, people like Murray
Rothbard-and if you just read the world that they describe, it's a
world so full of hate that no human being would want to live in it.
This is a world where you don't have roads because you don't see
any reason why you should cooperate in building a road that you're
not going to use: if you want a road, you get together with a bunch
of other people who are going to use that road and you build it,
then you charge people to ride on it. If you don't like the
pollution from somebody's automobile, you take them to court and
you litigate it. Who would want to live in a world like that? It's
a world built on hatred.19
The whole thing's not even worth talking about, though. First of
all, it couldn't function for a second-and if it could, al
Good for you Brian, advocating the hard money school-Austrian
variety. Well spake. Too bad the Keynesians are determined to
follow the Weimar road.
doom
DOOOM
DOOOOM
Our Rulers, who art in Washington,
Hallowed be thy Names.
Thy kingdom come.
Thy will be done,
In practice as it is in theory.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
As we forgive your trespasses against us.
And lead us not into prosperity,
But deliver us from capitalism.
For thine is the kingdom,
and the power, and the glory,
for ever and ever.
Amen.
Lefiti must really be annoyed at being ignored recently. He's working himself into a masturbatory frenzy this afternoon...
I've never gotten a decent answer from Austrians on this site as to why they prefer the arbitrary inflations and deflations which would inevitably caused by fluctuations in the supply and industrial demand for soft yellow metal over those tied to the state of the economy.
I don't think inflation is bad in and of itself. But government
inflation is bad, just as government anything is bad. Growing wheat
is natural market process, but that is still no excuse to
nationalize and monopolize the production of wheat.
Also, don't confuse the "gold standard" of the late 19th, earty
20th century as any sort of free market money. It was a gold
standard, but it was centralized and monopolized by the government
and fractional reserve system allowed it to inflate fairly
freely.
There is a difference between the natural inflation and artificial
inflation. No gold rush ever precipitated hyperinflation. No one
every dragged a wheelbarrow full of gold certificates to a baker to
buy a loaf of bread. I would have to look up the numbers for this
year, but given the bailouts it seems that 2009 has inflated the
money supply more than any single year of any gold rush ever.
Or, how a metallic standard would cure the primary cause of bubbles and crashes (human psychology and extension of credit to dubious actors for uneconomic means.)
Boom/bust cycles are caused by the malinvestments. Earlier stages
of production are expanding due to greater credit even though there
is no market demand for the expansion. Eventually it
collapses.
This does happen to some extent with natural inflation. But
governments tend to increase their inflationary rates precisely
when they should be contracting. Deflation is a corrective factor,
and pumping vast amounts of money into a system trying to correct
only postpones the inevitable. It makes the busts worse.
p.s. I'm not an advocate of a gold standard as that requires a
state to enforce. Instead I advocate free banking
"I've never gotten a decent answer from Austrians on this site
as to why they prefer the arbitrary inflations and deflations which
would inevitably caused by fluctuations in the supply and
industrial demand for soft yellow metal over those tied to the
state of the economy. Or, how a metallic standard would cure the
primary cause of bubbles and crashes (human psychology and
extension of credit to dubious actors for uneconomic means.)
This latter isn't impacted one whit by being able to convert
currency into specie."
I think you're just setting up a straw man. It doesn't have to be
gold, gold is merely a good candidate. The whole point is that one
should be free to choose whatever means of exchange one
desires.
Also, manias and panics cannot be solved other than through a
totalitarian state which tells you what to buy and sell. People are
sheep and will plow into retrospectively dumb "investments" like
beanie babies. Reducing the scope of government will prevent many
manias by taking away the easy credit punch bowl, and by removing
fool-hardy government schemes and mandates. If you research manias
throughout history, the worst ones initiated by the government
sticking its phallus in the middle of private contracts (Tulips,
Mississippi River Valley, Railroads, and finally, Real Estate).
Government *could* quell some manias by pursuing cases of fraud,
but since governments were making money hand over fist through real
estate taxes, nothing happened.
I don't think inflation is bad in and of itself. But
government inflation is bad, just as government anything is
bad.
Wait...WTF?!
Also, inflation and deflation aren't intrinsically bad (in moderation), they just benefit savers in the former and debtors in the latter. *Both* extreme deflation and inflation are bad because they distort people's rational expectations as to what their money is worth and aggravate herd like behavior ("Never put your money in banks, they can't be trusted!" or "Houses always go up in value!")
@lefiti:
It should be noted that Noam Chomsky isn't a consistent anarchist.
He's gone on record for saying that porn should be banned--even if
it's consensual.
"Who would want to live in a world like that?"
I would! It sounds totally awesome.
I don't think gold is The Answer. States can abuse it just as
easily in an appropriately opportunistic moment.
Centralized money of any kind is stuck not to human nature, but the
nature of the small central clique of humans who control the money.
This always has a predictable outcome of inflation of the money and
its eventual ruin. Gold money isn't immune to the same phenomena,
its called debasement. That's how our own inflation started in the
New Deal 1.0 days.
People through history via some populist mechanism - whether it's
voting for the local pork-getter or rioting against the Emperor
when there's no free bread and circuses - motivate their potentates
to inflating money, to try and get something for nothing. Its human
nature and these failures are a collective guilt of the
society.
Inflation in all its guises - debasement, printing, endless credit
and borrowing - sneaks up and mugs the offending society because it
is mathematically logarithmic, yet over a long time. All the damage
begins really compounding in the last ten to twenty percent of the
Falling Down moment. Its sort of like compounding interest - on a
30 year bond most the money you will make on the bond is in the
last few years of the contract - but in reverse with our current
predicaments.
Welcome to the last twenty percent of the big Reversed Bond in the
sky, friends. I figure we will have no more than ten years of
stimulus-printing, stimulus-borrowing, bail-outs, green-envy, a
couple little wars, and some health-car'in - starting with the
coming Obamagasma - before the Chinese get tired of financing this
shit and it's tits-up. Enjoy.
Brandybuck;
I don't think inflation is bad in and of itself. But government
inflation is bad, just as government anything is bad.
Meh.. wildcat banks (free market money) can cause (and have)
inflation as easily as a central bank. I know the counterargument
of trust, reputation, and prudent fear of failure serving as a
freemarket counterbalance. I am sympathetic to the argument
theoretically, but empirically, there is strong evidence against
it.
There is a difference between the natural inflation and
artificial inflation. No gold rush ever precipitated
hyperinflation.
The only difference is one of degree. In fact deflationary
stagnations caused by tightness of money and fear of illiquity are
much more often the fear with inflexible systems linked to
metals.
Ergosumabbas,
I think you're just setting up a straw man. It doesn't have to
be gold, gold is merely a good candidate.
If I've been effective enough in pointing out the difficulties of a
gold standard that it is viewed as a strawman on a libertarian
website, then I have been sucessful indeed. I put it out there,
because I generally get a lot of flack for busting on the gold
crowd. I see I've attracted the attention of the free banking crew
instead today. I actually have a lot less of a problem with that
concept than you might think. Free banking is a concept that I like
a lot - in fact I support efforts like e-gold etc. I do take issue
with the idea that USD are somehow a monopoly currency in this
country. There are many counter examples that argue otherwise -
mostly local barter arrangements. The big more visible ones tend to
run afoul of the laws (like money laundering statues) but that
doesn't stop people from saying it's because of "legal tender laws"
- which it's not. In fact, we have free banking in the US, and
these currencies exist peacably beside the dollar. It's just that
money - like telephones - has a lot of network effects that
determine it's success. You can only use wildcat currencies where
they are accepted voluntarily.
Also, inflation and deflation aren't intrinsically bad (in
moderation), they just benefit savers in the former and debtors in
the latter. *Both* extreme deflation and inflation are bad because
they distort people's rational expectations as to what their money
is worth and aggravate herd like behavior
Well put. I would only add that moderate deflation can much more
easily turn into extreme deflation, and is always accompanied by
much worse economic outcomes than moderate inflation. Which is why
every mainstream economist that I am aware of views a couple of
percents of inflation as "price stability"
I did an interesting calculation on the oft cited roman
debasement and inflation example. Very good records exist, and I
was able to compare the value of silver denari(common unit of money
that were debased from being solid silver to solid bronze with just
a silver wash) to that of solid gold aureus (corrected for weight
and purity) which were commonly used as stores of wealth. Over the
200 odd year time period that I looked at, inflation averaged a
remarkably un-remarkable 6%.
Also during this time period, the roman empire expanded enormously
in size and citizenry and wealth/capita. The money supply increased
many times faster than the 6% would indicate because of this. The
romans inflated their currency through debasement because of the
raw demand for more currency in an expanding economy.
Domoarrigato;
What was the 200-year period you looked at? Most of what the Roman
Empire was built during the Republic...at least the big-money
"acquisitions" if you will. Your time-frame sounds more like the
late Republic than the Empire.
Hal - you might be right - (non-financial) history is not my strong suit - and I did this several years ago - not right in front of me at the moment...
You know, sitting here thinking about it, there's another big
caveat in looking at money and collective social behavior with
ancient societies - especially the Roman transition from Republic
to Empire - and that's slavery.
In the late Republic and especially the Empire, most people's
participation in money transactions was as the commodity the monies
were being exchanged for. That also would have a significant impact
on "assets" in a society that practiced a high form of ledger
accounting like the Romans did.
@HAL-9000
Hypothetically, if we're headed towards a crack-up boom endgame
fiat currency scenario (which is possible within our lifetimes if
Bernanke makes the wrong move), what do you recommend as a
hedge?
My view is that guns, shiny objects (works of art, jewelry,
bullion, etc.), and real estate would do nicely, and not be a total
waste of money if things continue plod along like they always
have.
domo-
A gold standard currency isn't based on the market supply of gold,
but rather on the stock of gold held in reserve by the issuing
authority. The value of that gold may fluctuate depending on market
supply, but the issuing authority can react to that by buying or
selling its stock. As long as the commodity-to-paper ratio is
stable, the currency is relatively resistant to
inflation/deflation.
I am not really sure what types of assets to hoard up on for
fiat money implosion. But I don't think we'll end up in a scenario
like that.
No matter the money, the economic assets in the United States are
just intrinsically worth more than any pile of assets anywhere in
the world. The government can blow money up but it can't blow that
intrinsic value up (well, without a nuclear war
anyways...Doh!).
What comes after the big day the first Treasury check bounces? I
can't say and I wouldn't trust anyone else on their guess either
because it will totally be up to the schmucks running things at
that time. As evidenced by current developments, monetary fate is
at the whim of personalities and not process at this point.
Meh.. wildcat banks (free market money) can cause (and have) inflation as easily as a central bank. I know the counterargument of trust, reputation, and prudent fear of failure serving as a freemarket counterbalance. I am sympathetic to the argument theoretically, but empirically, there is strong evidence against it.
Wildcat banks for a uniquely American phenomena because the
American banking system of the 19th century was wholly unique.
There was a hodgepodge of state banking regulations so that one
could not call it "free" banking. Better examples of largely
unregulated banks issuing their own currency can be found in
Ireland and Scotland.
Will a private bank be unassailable, guaranteeing investors that it
will be around for centuries? Of course not! As the old saying
goes, "utopia is not an option." The question is not whether
private banks are perfect, but whether an emergent system of
private banking would work better than a central government
bank.
I think private banks and private security markets would be cool
financial innovations. Right now accessing the financial markets is
a game rigged by law to go through Gatekeepers of the Secret Guild
in Manhattan - they not of the Golden Fleece but of the Golden
Fleecing of me - and the rigging is made possible by my
not-so-local federal government. The most grotesque examples of
that quid pro quo are on display now.
I'd love an ebay for stocks instead, or a market where I am my own
broker with my own user ID and account. Maintain a credit rating in
my financial market/bank of choosing that I understand and can help
or hinder. Sell personal or collateralized bonds that I issue to
raise debt instead of crawl to The Man for a loan...all these types
of thing that right now would land me in jail for some tax
violation.
Instead, now my tax dollars are insuring Prince Al-Waheed Bin
Talal's interest in Citibank is worth the billions he believes it
should be, and make sure Citibank and its ilk can fleece me at the
other end if I want to access financial markets. Awesome.
Heuri-
I disagree with your 6:14. The primary accelerator (but not the
base cause) of the current crisis were the vast number of side
deals in credit which did not go through any sort of central
clearing house in ensure both sides of the ledger were
balanced.
My branch of anarchism works baby
I have thousands of pages written on my anarchist economic
theories,
thousands of pages with equations, graphs loads of stuff like
that
they ain't quite finished yet so I'll just some it up with one
word
Sharing
yeah baby
My anarchism is Lenin statey good hmmmmm
Noam,
Roderick Long is right, your anarchism in theory is statism in
practice.
http://www.theartofthepossible.net/2008/09/04/chomskys-augustinian-anarchism/
Chomsky:
Killing Fields? What Killing Fields? The Americans left Southeast
Asia, and it became a paradise under the Vietnamese and Cambodian
Communism. I love tyranny. It works best.
That Chomsky fella ain't too bright is he? I suspect he knows that in a just world he would have difficulty finding work. This seems to be the common theme amongst socialists. Their reasoning is that they are people of great worth. The current system does not recognize this fact. Thus the current system must be unjust. Idiots. Uh, I mean academics.
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