Michael C. Moynihan | December 2, 2008
If you happened
upon a bronze statue of Che Guevara on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan
today, its creator, artist Christian Janowski, wants you to know
that it is merely a representation of the Argentinean
imperialist—it's actually a Barcelona-based street performer
playing the revolutionary.
At the New York Times' City Room blog, David Gonzalez tartly explains Guevara's legacy to one clueless, yet curious, tourist snapping photos of the newly installed art work:
"That's Che Guevara, right?" said Sean Kelly, who was visiting from Ames, Iowa. "I'm kind of interested in his beliefs and the kind of stuff he did."
There were the executions when he presided over the prison at La Cabaña. Or his stated willingness to have let the missiles fly had they been under Cuban control, according to a newspaper interview cited by the biographer Jon Lee Anderson. And as several conservative commentators have noted, soon after the 1962 crisis, Che was preparing to export revolution while Cuban diplomats in New York were implicated in a plot to blow up, among other targets, department stores in New York City on the day after Thanksgiving.
When a passing bike messenger explains that Che was about "liberation," about societies where hipsters wouldn't have deliver packages to corporate fat-cats on fix-gear bicycles, but could start their own Williamsburg Social Club on that people's dime, Gonzalez helpfully adds that "For some Cubans, liberation means rolling the dice on a raft trip across the Florida Straits."
And oh, how The Times has changed: reason contributing editor Glenn Garvin on the paper's Castrophilic former Cuba correspondent Herb Matthews here.
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I enjoy pointing out to people the Che thought that homosexuals
should be executed that he might have overseen the execution of
several dozen homosexuals in Cuban when he served as Castro's
hatchet man.
At least you don't see the "Mao more than ever" t-shirts
anymore.
Kudos in advance to the street performer who, in protest, sets up right next to this douchebag as a bronze Hitler.
Thanks for the idea Cal, I might have a friend or 2 willing to do it. I definitely know people who will film it.
I'm more offended by the trite "high concept" of "statues of
people performing as statues." This is wankery of a
high-order.
I used to be offended by the left-wing idolization of Che, but the
right-wing grousing about it has become even more annoying lately.
While Che held fairly odious personal beliefs, he was never much of
a revolutionary, really, he was just an upper class Argentinian
dilettante that real thugs like Castro found useful. How much
actual power did Che ever wield? It makes sense that Che, of all
people, is a symbol to wanna-be poser revolutionaries.
Excellent. Now All we need s some of those Ernesto scented
candles and we can make a little shrine.
Supplications to St. Guevara will be presided over by the Naomi
Klein book club. Donations will be sent to the Hugo Chavez
reelection campaign.
The right doesn't walk around with Hitler shirts on, you have to give them that.
Cuban diplomats in New York were implicated in a plot to blow up, among other targets, department stores in New York City on the day after Thanksgiving
Not to defend Che or anything, but you do realize that we have
slaveholders (Washington, Jefferson) and murderers (Jackson)
honored on our currency, right? You might want to do something
about that log in your eye.
When a person becomes a symbol, their real actions become
irrelevant. No, it doesn't make any sense, but that's how we silly
humans operate.
I'm 41 years old, and I never gave a shit about Che one way or another until fairly recently. The value of having a historical figure to piss off conservatives is something I prize.
Not to defend Che or anything, but you do realize that we
have slaveholders (Washington, Jefferson) and murderers (Jackson)
honored on our currency, right? You might want to do something
about that log in your eye.
Not to mention a statue of Christopher Columbus in
Manhattan in case you don't find cunnivore's examples
close enough to the sculpture that's got Moynihan's panties in
wad.
I for one despise Jackson, and oppose any human likeness on our
glorified Monopoly Money.
Less executive power, sound money, rah rah rah.
BTW, when lefties start complaining about idolization of Che and quit wearing hammer-and-sickles like they're goddamn letterman sweaters, I'll protest the Columbus Day parade. Until then my ire, like Che's importance, will remain largely symbolic.
The right doesn't walk around with Hitler shirts on, you
have to give them that.
In the last season of the West Wing, they did make a joke about the
oddity of the Hoover Institute.
I've always wondered why Jackson and Grant are honored on our money, but then I realized that the common thread that unites those two, Washington, and Lincoln, was their willingness to hamhandedly force the will of the federal govt on the states and the people (Whiskey Rebellion, Nullification Crisis, and then of course the big one).
While clearly a murderer, Jackson actually was for sound money,
having fought against the second central bank (the current fed
being the 3rd). As such, he was better than a lot of
presidents.
If you consider the effects of the FDA, any modern president is
effectivley responsible for more deaths than most genocidal
dictators. Comparatibley, the problem with Che wasn't so much his
indiscrimate killing as his promotion of communism.
First, +1 cunnivore at 6:27 pm.
Second, I knew this was a Moynihan post just by the topic, even
before I looked to see who wrote it.
First Reich, Second Reich, Third Reich.
First Bank of the US, Second Bank of the US,...the current fed
being the 3rd
Ah HA!
Michael Moynihan-
What would you say if somebody put up a statue of George Bush, the
person who initiated the Iraq War?
Che is teh FAIL
I finally watched The Motorcycle Diaries on the promise that there
was great scenery of a continent that I love, including shots of
Buenos Aires -- a city I've spent considerable time in and adore.
It was nice watching it fall into a maudlin ideological arc that
ruined the whole vibe of it.
Che appeared briefly in my master's thesis mostly because it was on
Bolivia and it provided a nice opportunity to write about his death
in an actual academic context.
And now we get a two-part biographical film on Che, who I have no interest in whatever.
Check more about Ruben Perez, the inspiration of this
statue:
http://www.hey-che.com/el-che-vive-ruben-perez.html
Why do so many commenters here get upset with Moynihan when he
goofs on Che idolizers? He was a pretty obvious a-hole. Just
because others may have been varying degrees of a-hole throughout
history doesn't make Che any less of one.
I know, I know "But, but, Bush......"
That statue looks a lot more like Jebediah Springfield than Che. But, what the hell, they both embiggened the smallest man.
"The Motorcycle Diaries is just a crappy movie."
My favorite part is were Che swims across the Amazon river to be
with the lepers.
From the NY Times link:
"Are New Yorkers really allowing such an homage to occupy the
southeast corner of Central Park? Technically, no. The statue
actually depicts a Barcelona street performer portraying Che, part
of three bronze sculptures by Christian Janowski, which were
recently installed by the Public Art Fund."
According to the
official description, the three statues are "in essence,
statues of people performing as statues." The other two statues are
a Roman Legionnaire (or maybe it's Julius Caesar) and a figure from
one of Salvador Dali's paintings. According to the description,
"When visitors encounter Jankowski's Living Sculptures, they may at
first think they are seeing three street performers, surprisingly
motionless and grouped together. In actuality, the figures are
bronze sculptures that reference the tradition of professional
street performers who strike poses as historical or fantastical
characters for passersby." Strangely, none of the people quoted in
the Times said they thought at first these statues were street
performers. The public is *so* unenlightened!
I observe that the Public Art Fund's Web
site lists the following as among the Fund's supporters: "City
of New York Department of Cultural Affairs • National Endowment for
the Arts • New York State Council on the Arts, a State Agency •
Office of the Brooklyn Borough President."
Back to the *Times*: "For some, the [Guevara] statue might call to
mind the recent controversy over a banner depicting Stalin at
Cooper Union." (see link in article).
According to Cooper Union's
President's Report (p. 36), the City of New York is one of the
donors to the institution's latest capital campaign.
The people of New York City are doubly fortunate: First in being
exposed to statues and banners evoking Communist murderers, and
second in having their city, state and federal tax money go towards
paying for these statues and banners! The people of the state and
the nation also get to experience the joy of providing this art for
the people of NYC.
Isn't that much better than living in some hick state where
officials try to clutter up public places with privately-funded
sculptures of the Ten Commandments?
It is silly to bother about Che t-shirts and statues. The
mainstream left has never lionized him or thought he was OK at all.
His likeness is popular among clueless hipsters and nut-job
socialists and that is about it.
I think cunivore is right and we ought to first think more about
the villainous characters from our own history who get undue honor
from all parts of the political spectrum.
"Isn't that much better than living in some hick state where
officials try to clutter up public places with privately-funded
sculptures of the Ten Commandments?"
not much better, but yeah it is.
According to the official description, the three statues are
"in essence, statues of people performing as statues."
It's me looking at me looking at me!
What does Guevara`s memory offer the world today?
Perhaps his personal example, his Arthurian qualities, that
remarkable determination to struggle and sacrifice for a set of
beliefs. In an age when license and personal advantage continually
dominate other considerations in private and public life, Guevara`s
disdain for any reward but the victory of his ideals, his
insistence upon discipline, especially for himself, his
obliviousness to discomfort and danger in the pursuit of what he
believed to be right surely be inspiring regardless of how one
evaluates the philosophy that impelled him.
- Hasta la Victoria Siempre ! -
"I have yet to find a single credible source pointing to a case
where Che executed "an innocent. Those persons executed by Guevara
or on his orders were condemned for the usual crimes punishable by
death at times of war or in its aftermath: desertion, treason or
crimes such as rape, torture or murder."
---- Jon Lee Anderson, biographer who spent 5 years researching the
man.
@ The Legacy of Che Guevara" at PBS Online Newshour Forum (20
November 1997)
The Gonzalez who wrote the NY Times polemic diatribe, must be an
exile Gusano.
Ya know … those Cuban cast offs who fled their haciendas, and now
support the terrorist Alpha 66 & Brigade 2506 organizations in
Miami.
Speaking of "Terrorist" … google Luis Posada Carriles
I think I'll go with Nelson Mandela on this one, when he
declared:
"Che's life is an inspiration for every human being who loves
freedom. We will always honor his memory."
DEATH COUNT:
Che Guevara = few hundred of Batista's henchmen, torturers, and
rapists.
Reagan = 1 million Iraqi/Iranians by selling weapons to both
sides
CONTRA death squads that lead to the deaths of 70,000 in El
Salvador, more than 100,000 in Guatemala, and 30,000 in
Nicaragua.
CHE < REAGAN
--> A NEW DEFINITION FOR "CHUTZPAH"
When someone who supports the same country that nuked 2 cities and
turned 250,000 people to dust … the same country that fire bombed
Dresden and burned 150,000 women and child alive, the same country
that killed 15 million Natives because they felt it was their
'manifest destiny' … the same country that enslaved millions of
blacks … the same country whose CIA has killed 6 million people
since 1950 (John Stockwell) … the same country that invaded Iraq
which has caused 950,000 + deaths …
The same country that since 1949 has led CIA coups in - Greece,
Iran, British Guyana, Guatemala, South Vietnam, Haiti, Laos, South
Korea, Ecuador, Dominican Republic, Honduras, Brazil, Bolivia,
Zaire, Ghana, Cuba, Cambodia, El Salvador, Chile, Australia,
Liberia, Chad, Grenada, Fiji, Venezuela … and installed puppet
governments.
Not to mention propped up the many brutal tyrants like Pinochet,
Suharto, Marcos, and Somoza + backed contra movements through the
School of the Americas …
-> HAS THE CHUTZPAH to pretend to be upset that Cuba under CHE
had tribunals (just like the Nuremburg one after WWII the US had)
and then as a result had a few hundred of the brutal dictator
Batista's convicted henchmen, rapists, & torturers (most who
were the secret police of the BRAC and who had killed 20,000
people) executed at La Cabana.
WOW … there are no words for the audacity of such insanity !
Amerikkkan Reich-Wing Propaganda would make Goebbels blush.
To me Che Guevara is one of the most heroic figures in world
history who is a stoic example of what all those who speak of
"revolution" should espouse to be.
This was a man who left a bourgeoisie comfortable life of the upper
class, a potential well compensated career as a medical doctor, and
a high regarded governmental position - each time to slog through
the jungle and fight guerrilla wars against impenetrable odds = for
a better and more equitable society.
Throughout his life Che tended to thousands of sick campesinos,
helped construct dozens of schools throughout Cuba, worked in a
Leper colony to helped those afflicted, and even when he was
literally tied up in a small mud school house awaiting his own
execution ! , still complained to the local teacher that in a
nation where the leaders drove Mercedes … it was a travesty that
the peasants were taught in a dilapidated place like he was
in.
Although I don't believe in religious dogma (neither did Che), and
view myself as an atheist, I do find it telling that the person Che
was so often compared to by those who knew him was Jesus Christ.
Because of his implacable character, unbending morals, and innate
desire to fight in favor of the afflicted, I think that those who
knew him were left with no other figure to compare him to.
If the world had 100 Che's … or hell even 10 … we would be in much
better shape.
"his Arthurian qualities"
The only character from the Arthurian legends whom Che evokes is
Mordred.
"Although I don't believe in religious dogma (neither did Che), and
view myself as an atheist, I do find it telling that the person Che
was so often compared to by those who knew him was Jesus Christ.
Because of his implacable character, unbending morals, and innate
desire to fight in favor of the afflicted, I think that those who
knew him were left with no other figure to compare him to."
In that case, erecting a statue to him would violate the Wall of
Separation Between Church and State. We don't allow 10 Commandments
monuments or Christian statues in public places; why should there
be a statue to a Christ-figure like Guevara?
Wow. This thread really brought the America-haters out of the
woodwork, didn't it?
If the world had 100 Che's … or hell even 10 … we would be in
much better shape.
What this world needs is more kleptocratic dictatorships and dead
homosexuals?
What an OUTRAGE !!!
They should have made a statue of the great George Washington
(slave owner), Thomas Jefferson (slave raper), or Andrew Jackson
(indian killer) instead !!!
Who do these latte-sipping yahoos think they are ?
USA ! USA !
Gotta go …
Sean Hannity is coming on … now there's a boot-licker one can
goose-step to.
"Che was the most complete human being of our age, our era's
most perfect man."
~ Jean Paul Sartre
Was Che perfect? Of course not. No human is.
But in mind he was awfully close considering the circumstances and
cards he was dealt. I also find it telling that the best "canard"
his detractors and those propagandists of monopoly capitalism can
come up with - was his short stint at La Cabana prison. Where Che
simply reviewed the cases and convictions of war criminals
convicted by revolutionary tribunal (modeled after Nuremburg). The
same secret police and Batista backed torturers that killed 20,000
people and tortured tens of thousands more.
At a time when Fidel and Che would release military captives in the
Sierra after tending to them medically, the U.S. backed Dictator
Batista would gouge the eyes out of captives until they gave away
rebel positions. The fact that Che saw to it that justice was
delivered cold to the Cuban people to me only makes him more
heroic. He knew that a "pedagogy of the wall" was the only thing
that could cleanse a society from the thousands of goons who raped
and terrorized it with impunity.
I would implore those who give credence to the idea of a
"revolution" … to give much deserved recognition to one of the few
men in the past century who literally threw aside "the arm chair"
and went out to (imperfectly) create it.
In Bolivia, images of Che (Saint Ernesto) hang next to images of
Jesus, the Virgin Mary, & Pope John Paul II.
Google "The Final Triumph of Saint Che"
----- 8 FACTS THAT CHE-HATERS HATE -----
(1) Che was named one of the 100 most influential people of the
20th century by Time Magazine, and listed as a "Saint and
Icon".
(2) Che's famous image entitled: "Guerrillero Heroico" has been
declared the most famous and reproduced image in the world.
(3) In September of 2007, Che was voted "Argentina's greatest
historical and political figure", and this Summer they erected a
giant statue of him in Rosario.
(4) In Argentina schools are named after Che.
(5) In Cuba, Che is on the 3 dollar Peso, and school children begin
every morning reciting "we will be like Che".
(6) The revolutionary firing squads Che oversaw were supported by
93 % of Cubans at the time.
(7) Cuba under Batista was a Mafia ran casino and hooker haven for
American tourists, where mostly US companies owned 75 % of the
arable land. This is the context that Fidel and Che rose to power
in.
(8) Che's radicalism was spawned from living in Guatemala during
the 1953 overthrow of Jacobo Arbenz by the CIA at the behest of the
United Fruit Co & Dulles.
"It's my estimation that every man
ever got a'statue made of him was one
kind of sommbitch or another."
--Malcolm Reynolds, from "Jaynestown" (Firefly)
(2) Che's famous image entitled: "Guerrillero Heroico" has
been declared the most famous and reproduced image in the
world.
One fact che-lover's hate: the creator of the image never licensed
this, hates that it sells t-shirts for hipsters, and he never sees
a dime of the profit, let alone a 3 dollar peso with che's cuddly
face.
Pobrecito!
Wow, are the Che lovers ever fucked up if their argument is that Bush, Jackson, blah, blah, etc etc were bad too. What the hell kind of argument is that, you yourself are comparing Che to the people you despise, and this is supposed to convince us somehow that we are wrong to despise that dirty murdering piece of shit?
'(1) Che was named one of the 100 most influential people of the
20th century by Time Magazine, and listed as a "Saint and
Icon".'
Time magazine? Wow, the ultimate Appeal to Authority.
'(3) In September of 2007, Che was voted "Argentina's greatest
historical and political figure", and this Summer they erected a
giant statue of him in Rosario.'
He may be a SOB, but he's *our* SOB, is probably a consideration
with many patriotic Argentines. They're also probably grateful to
him for doing his activities *outside* or Argentina.
'(4) In Argentina schools are named after Che.'
Like Commie Bastard Elementary?
'(5) In Cuba, Che is on the 3 dollar Peso, and school children
begin every morning reciting "we will be like Che".'
The kids love him! And if they don't, the principal calls the kid's
parents or black captain so that the poor kid can be set
straight.
'(6) The revolutionary firing squads Che oversaw were supported by
93 % of Cubans at the time.'
The Cuban regime has been spending the past half-century trying to
track down the remaining 7%. But I bet that minority is the same
unpatriotic minority which keeps fleeing from Cuba in boats because
they are desperate to be oppressed in Capitalist Amerikkka.
It's amazing that the regime never got around to holding free
elections, considering how much popular support it obviously has. I
imagine that they just never got around to it. It was right there
on their "to do" pile, but with one thing and another, darned if
they just forgot.
'(7) Cuba under Batista was a Mafia ran casino and hooker haven for
American tourists, where mostly US companies owned 75 % of the
arable land. This is the context that Fidel and Che rose to power
in.'
Thank God there is
no more prostitution in Cuba today!
'(8) Che's radicalism was spawned from living in Guatemala during
the 1953 overthrow of Jacobo Arbenz by the CIA at the behest of the
United Fruit Co & Dulles.'
The United Fruit Company - is there anything they *can't* be blamed
for? Now it turns out they caused the Cuban Communist takeover.
Those fruity bastards!
"For some Cubans, liberation means rolling the dice on a
raft trip across the Florida Straits."
Wait... Just hold on a minute. The US is evil and Che is... well,
CHE!
The kids love him! And if they don't, the principal calls
the kid's parents or black captain so that the
poor kid can be set straight.
At least the Cubans have black captains. In the US, a brother can't
catch a break.
Sorry, just couldn't resist.
There seems to be an inverse relationship between the degree of
hatred for CHE and the amount of information someone actually knows
about him.
Read Jon Lee Anderon, Taibo II, or Castaneda ... and get off the
reich-wing blogs.
There seems to be an inverse relationship between the degree
of hatred or love for CHE and the amount of
information someone actually knows about him.
Agree/disagree? Please debate using inappropriate
capitalization.
It just occurred to me . . . if Guevara is on the Cuban peso, then thousands of Cubans are wiping their butts with Che every day!
anderson's book is worth reading, though i don't think it paints
a particularly noble portrait. which is fine by me since i prefer
my history to be light on supposed nobility.
reich wing? c-, needs more work.
"(6) The revolutionary firing squads Che oversaw were supported by
93 % of Cubans at the time. "
is that supposed to be an argument in his favor?
i do not think that means what you think it means.
Can people get over the 60s already?
It's over. Done with. Che is caput, Castro is staring up at the
hospital ceiling. So it goes.
The only people who wear Che t-shirts now are:
A. Unreconstructed Marxists
B. Contrarians who just enjoy pissing off prigs like David
Gonzalez.
C. People who fall into the category of all of the above.
"B. Contrarians who just enjoy pissing off prigs like David
Gonzalez."
This one! I don't know who David Gonzalez is, but if wearing a Che
shirt makes some of the mouth breathing righties I know go into
apoplectic tirades about dirty fucking hippies then my day is
complete. Most of them have no idea who he was, or even where
Bolivia is, but they KNOW he was the most evil guy evah!
In other news...
Last week, the governor of Anzoategui State, Venezuela (un
revolucionario bolivariano) inagurated a plaza in honor of Bob
Dylan (un gringo).
Che was fighting against …
- American Oligarchy (United Fruit, Texaco, U.S. Sugar)
- The US based Mafia (1959 Havana)
- The Monroe Doctrine rationale for Latin American Imperialism (Bay
of Pigs)
- The idea of "Banana Republics" (Arbenz 1953 coup)
It just kills Conservatives that such a heroic man will not go
away. That is because these troglodytes can't fathom that he lives
in the hearts of the hungry and the oppressed … and that ideas
never die.
Hence Che Lives on !
= PROPHETIC ???
"The United States hastens the delivery of arms to the puppet
governments they see as being increasingly threatened; it makes
them sign pacts of dependence to legally facilitate the shipment of
instruments of repression and death and of troops to use
them."
---- Che Guevara, April 9, 1961
I don't particularly like Castro, nor Cuba, nor Communism.
Still I find myself fascinated by Che Guevara.
Even a die hard capitalist like me can realize that the other side
also has brave and admirable figures.
+ I wish anti-communists had a guy that looked this cool for a
symbol ... Milton Friedman on a baby T just doesn't really win over
the ladies.
I'm with thoreau, this was obviously a Moynihan article, just
from the title.
It seems Moynihan had a serious crush on Bill Buckley. A real hard
on for cold war idiocy....the type of "free market" advocate who
thought communist would take over the world if we didn't build
trillions of dolalrs of nuclear bombs and tax our citizens in order
to put bases in every country.
Moynihan,
Nelson Rockefeller was a bigger commie than Che and George Bush and
Bill Clinton are bigger isolationist than Ron Paul.
If america hadn't put in place isolationist trade embargoes on Iraq
and Cuba, Cuba would be a free nation today and Iraq would be much
better off than it is today. Halliburton, Lockheed Martin and Jp
Morgan wouldn't be as well off so that isn't the way things worked
out.
1950's Cuba was the Caribbean's St Tropez, a playground to the
rich. Havana was a neon-lit lair where characters such as Frank
Sinatra and his Cuban counterpart, Beni More, worked the cash tills
and played hard. Sultry, hot Latino girls competed with blondes
from mainland America for the attention of royals and the kings of
the boulevard.
= Then that "arrogant" Fidel and the adventurist "dreamer" from
Argentina, Ernesto 'Che' Guevara, came and spoilt the fun with
their communist revolution.
& the Oligarchs who fled their latifundios to Miami, have saw
to it that the Cuban people (and their wage slaves) who backed the
revolution - SUFFER - ever since.
Che fought to free Latin America from the Yankee imperialists
who raped it with impugnity.
That's why he is a hero to us real Latin Americans (not the ex rich
white Cubans)
Hasta la Victoria Siempre !
-(TRAILER)- for the new film "Che" starring Benicio Del
Toro
http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1808403435/video/10924831/
"At the risk of seeming ridiculous, let me say that the true
revolutionary is guided by a great feeling of love. It is
impossible to think of a genuine revolutionary lacking this
quality... We must strive every day so that this love of living
humanity will be transformed into actual deeds, into acts that
serve as examples, as a moving force."
--- CHE GUEVARA
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