Radley Balko | June 25, 2008
The Transportation Security Administration has changed its policy on flying without identification. It's no longer allowed. According to TSA:
This change will apply exclusively to individuals that simply refuse to provide any identification or assist transportation security officers in ascertaining their identity.
In other words, the policy is directed not at possible terrorists, but at rabble rousers like Jim Harper, who insist that the long-held right of anonymous movement ought to be preserved. However...
This new procedure will not affect passengers that may have misplaced, lost or otherwise do not have ID but are cooperative with officers. Cooperative passengers without ID may be subjected to additional screening protocols, including enhanced physical screening, enhanced carry-on and/or checked baggage screening, interviews with behavior detection or law enforcement officers and other measures.
It's hard to see how this is going to make flying any safer. Does TSA really believe that a terrorist is going to be the one loudly proclaiming his right to anonymous travel?
Brian Doherty wrote about millionaire John Gilmore's quest for anonymous travel in 2003.
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Its called fake ID's. Terrorists will use those to arise the least suspicion. People are naturally suspicious of those who don't present an ID, so why would terrorists try and remain anonymous even if it was allowed?
Most Islamist terrorists are going to be suicidal anyway.
Further, I have never been able to figure out just exactly what
flying under an assumed name actually gets you. There are of course
"no fly lists" but those lists are for international flights.
Because international flights are subject to customs, the airline
has to send a manifest ahead to CBP and make sure that everyone on
the flight can in fact enter the country. So, the ID requirement is
redundant.
On domestic flights it matter not a whit that people are traveling
under their own names. What matters is what they are carrying on
the plane.
Keep an eye out for those people who are doing their best to stand out! They're not normal, and are therefore probably terrorists!
The ID fetish is a complete crock of shit. The perps on 9/11
weren't flying anonymously, and they weren't using fake ID, either.
Their passports were valid, and they even had credit cards.
The idea that someone who intends to do himself in to take a couple
hundred innocent people with him will be deterred by checking his
ID is absolute nonsense.
-jcr
Thoughtcrime must be prevented, it's obviously more dangerous
than violent terrorists!
JMR
LOL, its about one thing and one thing only. Tighter Government
control. One more step towards a Police State. Papers Please?
www.iurlz.com/datools
The ID checking is ridiculous and useless, like the majority of airline security measures, but I'm not sure where it follows that people refusing to produce ID must be "loudly proclaiming [their] right to anonymous travel." Is there no room for quiet insistence on one's right to anonymous travel?
LOL, its about one thing and one thing only. Tighter
Government control.
Ehh, it's about other things as well. Airlines have always welcomed
such ID regulations, as it makes it easier for them to enforce
rules on non-transferable tickets and thus to price
discriminate.
Is there any other country in the world where it's possible to fly domestically without an ID?
The article neglected to mention that people who "forgot" their ID are also asked about their party affiliation during their security screening.
Remember kiddies, the airline industry is a failure and only government regulation can save it!
grizzly: Is there any other country in the world where it's
possible to fly domestically without an ID?
Maybe, maybe not. But that's not the point, is it? If one country
has a stupid policy, pointing out that other countries share that
policy isn't a good justification.
Does TSA really believe that a terrorist is going to be the
one loudly proclaiming his right to anonymous travel?
While I agree with you in spirit, this reasoning doesn't make any
sense. If ID isn't required to fly then not bothering to ask for it
will become the norm, after all whats is the point in asking
if
1) The people with something to hide are not required to
2) If the right to not show ID is a Constitutional one than it
cannot in turn be a reason for subjecting the person who refuses to
additional security can it?
So essentially you are saying you don't want any ID checks at all,
and that's a fine argument to make, but your claim of terrorists
'not wanting to make a scene' is nonsensical given that if you got
your way there would be no scene to make.
I was unaware that you could fly without ID at all since the
1990s or earlier.
When I worked in that industry we did not check ID of people who
had tickets, we checked before issuing tickets. People could, and
would, fly on other people's tickets for all sorts of reasons,
especially if they were non-refundable and the person ho bought the
ticket had a change in plans.
When that changed, I heard a bunch of whining in various news
stories of the airlines just doing this for "revenue".
About 7 years ago or so I did notice that out west a DOD building
pass was worthless as ID, but sometimes my company ID was ok, so
was my Army Reserve ID, generally they wanted a driver's
license.
So, it seems, the real rules have caught up with my superstition. I
have missed out on much fun, or trouble making, depending on where
you stand.
In theory anyway, a fake id represent one more possible point of
failure for a terrorist. No id requirements would take that
away.
But it won't stop anyone traveling under their real name, and in
practice a fake id is not likely to be spotted.
Could this also be about bail-jumpers, fugitives, etc. from run
of the mill crimes committed where an alleged perp is being sought
by the authorities?
I suppose we could do away with TSA and the airline companies could
install whatever "security" they want and then we couldn't complain
about showing valid i.d. or strip searches or whatever. Somehow I
don't believe we'd find Delta or Southwest or any other commercial
airline willing to let unknown passengers stroll on board.
If I'm flying with my 80 year old senile Dad I have to allow an
extra ten or fifteen minutes for a body search because his drivers
licence is expired. Plus I have to go to the ticket counter to have
someone scrawl SSS on the boarding pass. Insanity.
Now that my daughter has a metal hip, I think the family will be
driving from now on.
Does TSA really believe that a terrorist is going to
be the one loudly proclaiming his right to anonymous
travel?
Well, Yes.
Think of the TSA as a PUPPET. And imagine GW Bushes hand going up
the PUPPETs ass and operating the Jaw in a matter in which it
appears that the PUPPET is talking.
One would think that the TSA is Dumb. Actually,
its the policy makers that are DUMB.
I suppose we could do away with TSA and the airline
companies could install whatever "security" they want and then we
couldn't complain about showing valid i.d. or strip searches or
whatever. Somehow I don't believe we'd find Delta or Southwest or
any other commercial airline willing to let unknown passengers
stroll on board.
Now you're talking. I myself would prefer an airline that focused
on keeping babies and drunks off the plane. Also, if your fat ass
spills over your seat, you should be required to purchase two
tickets. (Actually I think airlines should go back to charging by
the pound. You and your luggage get on the scale)
Other people might feel better having their luggage pawed through
and a cavity search.
Somehow I don't believe we'd find Delta or Southwest or any
other commercial airline willing to let unknown passengers stroll
on board.
Scroll up to my comment. They used to.
TSA is a Security Officer ... Right?
Who in our society becomes $5/hour security officers?
Who gets promoted to manage other security officers?
Who seeks higher employment as a security office?
Silly, ineffective, and stupid policies become very CLEAR
if u consider all of these questions as for WHO is setting
policies...It's the most stupid people in our society.
(Actually I think airlines should go back to charging by the
pound. You and your luggage get on the scale)
You may have been being sarcastic here, Warren, but I actually
would like that :). I would also definitely prefer that very large
people be charged for the extra seat that they occupy, considering
that it takes away from mine. You only bought 1 seat, lard-ass, so
stop consuming part of mine, unless you'd like to pay me for
it.
Wow. Usually government agencies like the TSA at least make a shallow attempt to cloak their knuckle-dragging displays of power with some justification. Props to them for finally dispensing with the charade and admitting that airport security is less about safe travel, and more about compelling obedience.
We must nationalize the airlines, in order to provide Americans the sort of quality air travel experience they deserve.
The Transportation Security Administration has changed its
policy on flying without identification. It's no longer
allowed.
If this is a change, what was the deal with that Gilmore guy, I
think his name was, wasn't he suing because he couldn't get on a
plane without ID? Regardless of the policy, could you in reality
successfully get on a commercial flight in the U.S. without showing
ID? Seems like the airlines might have a problems with it even if
TSA didn't, and even if TSA technically allows it, that seems like
a good way to get pulled aside for "enhanced scrutiny".
IIRC, only 19 of the 9/11 hijackers (~100%) had ID.
None of them walked across our southern border.
None of them snuck in from Canada.
Make your own conclusions.
grizzly: Is there any other country in the world where it's
possible to fly domestically without an ID?
Is there any other country where it's possible to publish and
broadcast offensive views without legal repercussions?
BTW, of the 19 of the 9/11 hijackers...none were illegal
aliens.
Goes to prove the point that PROFESSIONALS should be in
charge of making security policies that are effective and
fair...not $5hour security guards promoted to
supervisor.
Can we just deport the entire TSA to North Korea or Turkmenistan
or some other shithole?
I hates them! I hates them forever!
First they banned anonymous air travel and I said nothing because I always have an ID in my pocket. Then they repealed the first amendment, I was outraged but it was too late.
Then they repealed the first amendment
I said, "You can't do that!"
They arrested me.
Does Mr. Gilmore have standing to sue again, since the facts on the ground about the ability to fly without ID have changed?
This new procedure will not affect passengers that may have
misplaced, lost or otherwise do not have ID but are cooperative
with officers.
Yeah, you can forget your ID, but remember to bring some
kneepads.
See the comments in the TSA's blog. Only one intrepid soul so far has actually tried to defend this policy, at a ratio of about 80 to 1. And the one was saying "why is everyone upset about this?" instead of the usual "do you want the terrorists to win?"
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