Brian Doherty | December 17, 2007
A woman misdiagnosed with AIDS and made ill by the medicines prescribed to her for 9 years wins $2.5 million in court. Some details from AP:
[Audrey] Serrano's attorney, David Angueira, said Dr. Kwan Lai, who treated his client at the University of Massachusetts Medical Center in Worcester's HIV clinic, repeatedly failed to order definitive tests even after monitoring of Serrano's treatment did not show the presence of HIV in her blood.
"It is one of the clearest cases of misdiagnosis that I have ever seen and it's based in part on a presumption that people who engage in certain types of conduct are more likely to have HIV and AIDS than other people without really listening to the patient," Angueira said after the verdict.
Lai testified last week that Serrano told her she had worked as a prostitute, her partner had AIDS, and that she had suffered three bouts of a type of pneumonia typically associated with those infected by the virus.
Serrano has denied she had ever been a prostitute. She confirmed that her former boyfriend tested positive for HIV/AIDS, but disputed the claim that she told the doctor that she had suffered bouts of Pneumocystis pneumonia.
Michael Moynihan blogged last month on millions of other people (mostly theoretical, still...) who were said to have AIDS but don't really.
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The problem I've had with the AIDS panic is the fact they have expanded the list of symptoms to include just about everything.Add the constant drumming that we are all at risk[we're not]and over stating the number of people who will die and it looks more like a political agenda.I also saw Magic Johnson on TNN before a NBA game and he looked quite well.Wasn't he held up as an example of how wide spread and deadly this illness is?
I've pretty much come to the conclusion that education in
Bayes'
theorem should be compulsory. Everyone from the ACLU going
hysteric over airport screenings to employers testing for drugs to
doctors running medical test could benefit from a sound
understanding of the concept.
To help promote knowledge of this important idea, here is a
link to a little applet that teaches how the concept works.
The problem I've had with the AIDS panic is the fact they
have expanded the list of symptoms to include just about
everything.
Huh?
Michael Pack,
The problem I've had with the AIDS panic is the fact they have
expanded the list of symptoms to include just about
everything.
AIDS stands for Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome. The actual
virus process itself has not overt symptom cave a drop in the white
blood cell count. The overt symptoms that occur result from
secondary infections that take advantage of the depressed white
blood cell count. So, a person with AIDS can exhibit any disease or
disease process that results from any infection or lack of immune
function.
Add the constant drumming that we are all at risk[we're not]and
over stating the number of people who will die and it looks more
like a political agenda
That is definitely true. It was known within a couple of years of
identifying the disease that it did not spread easily through
heterosexual contact in the developed world but many kept harping
on the idea apparently in the bigoted belief that most people would
not bother to support treating a disease that did not threaten them
personally.
.I also saw Magic Johnson on TNN before a NBA game and he
looked quite well.
The HIV virus appears to undergo a period of evolution within each
individual victim. It rapidly mutates trying to find a means of
propagating throughout the white blood cell population. This
evolution can take years. Not until it finds a successful strategy
can it wipe out the white blood cells and trigger actual
AIDS.
The normal latency period for AIDS (the time from infection to
overt symptoms) averages 2-3 years. In some people, however, it can
run much longer. A small population of people show concrete
evidence of the virus but remain symptom free for many years.
It's too bad she didn't spill hot coffee on herself or something. She could've gotten a lot more.
If you've ever watched the show "Mystery Diagnosis" or if you've
ever had any sort of non-obvious illness, you'd know that the vast
majority of doctors can't be bothered to make any sort of
diagnosis. If their first idea doesn't pan out they shrug their
shoulders and push you out the door...
You pretty much need to diagnosis yourself before going to see an
MD.
Count me as one of those who thinks that malpractice suits are
often unwarranted.
That said,
[Audrey] Serrano's attorney, David Angueira, said Dr. Kwan Lai, who treated his client at the University of Massachusetts Medical Center in Worcester's HIV clinic, repeatedly failed to order definitive tests even after monitoring of Serrano's treatment did not show the presence of HIV in her blood.
this does appear to be a justifiable verdict. I know enough to take
a plaintiff's attorney statements with a healthy dose of salt, I
wasn't on the jury, but still ...
When I saw this story, I wondered if the woman was a victim of a
"false positive" test result.
Any test will produce a small proportion of "false positives". Even
if the rate is as low as 1%, that means thousands of people will
have false positive test results for AIDS. Repeated tests would
clear up most of the false positives. However, even if three tests
were done, a 1% error rate would still mean that 1 person in a
million would receive a false positive diagnosis that was
confirmed.
What, I'm the first person on this thread to mention the name of Peter Duesberg? The AIDS Lobby must be doing its job!
Greg House would have only had the wrong diagnosis for about 45-50 minutes.
this does appear to be a justifiable verdict. I know enough to take a plaintiff's attorney statements with a healthy dose of salt, I wasn't on the jury, but still ...
Drug therapy can produce an undetectable viral load. This kind of
result would also be seen in an infected person whose medication
regime was efficaceous.
I might also note that the rapacious plaintiff's bar for medical
malpractice has produced a pathologically risk-averse medical
profession.
Dr. Lai probably figured that stopping AIDS treatment when there is
a positive test result in the file would be economic and
professional suicide.
Everyone needs to take a much more active role in their
healthcare than they do right now. I'm not talking about insurance
(that's a different issue), but the actual treatment. Speaking as
one with a chronic disease, it is mind-boggling how many people
have conditions and don't even know what drugs they are taking,
what the side effects are, etc. Notice the line in this story:
"Serrano filed the lawsuit in 2003 after she became suspicious of
her diagnosis and had herself tested at another hospital." This was
FIVE YEARS after she began treatment. When you are talking about
that serious of a disease, GET A SECOND OPINION. Don't let doctors
dictate to you, make them treat you like a customer. They don't
have to be nice, but they need to answer your questions and not
brush you off. YOU also have to follow up and understand your
condition and treatment options. With the Internet, ignorance is
not an excuse.
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Dr. Lai probably figured that stopping AIDS treatment when
there is a positive test result in the file would be economic and
professional suicide.
True, it might be professional suicide to simply stop treatment if
one subsequent test was at odds with the first. But there are
options intermediate between "Stop all treatment" and "Do exactly
what you've been doing." Ordering a variety of additional tests and
trying to get to the bottom of it would make sense.
Shannon Love,
You seem to know the topic:
The actual virus process itself has not overt symptom save a
drop in the white blood cell count.
I was under the impression that there were specific cognitive
deficits directly associated with HIV+ status independent of
secondary infections.
Is that not correct?
True about Bayes.
The "no-load" test result is not all that uncommon in AIDS
patients who have a good cocktail working.
Not sure what additional tests would be considered the standard of
care in cases like this. It might well be no tests at all, given
that a no-load test generally means the treatment is working.
Fair enough, R C. I admit that I don't know what the additional
tests would be either. I just figure that in general there's always
a third. Sort of like Kirk in that simulator.
But this could be an exception.
an initial positive ELISA should always be followed by a DNA
test for the HIV virus.
The "AIDS test" one is usually given is the ELISA test, which tests
only for the presence of antibodies produced by the patient's
immune system in response to the presence of HIV.
Of course, false negatives could also occur for no known reason, or
as a result of an immune-depressed patient not producing antibodies
(e.g, if the patient was on immune-suppressing drugs following a
transplant).
a DNA test for the viral DNA itself is an important tool for
confirmation of an initial positive diagnosis, or even confirmation
of a negative diagnosis if there is good reason to suspect the
patient may have been exposed to HIV.
Repeated testing is no solution. It's basic probability theory
that if one event has a probability of 1/6 (e.g. rolling a 6) that
the probability of two independent events is obtained by
multiplying the odds together (i.e. the odds of rolling two
consecutive sixes is 1/36 = 1/6 x 1/6).
However, antibody tests are NOT independent. For example, if
someone's blood cross-reacts with a component of the test kit, the
fact that the possibility of a false positive in the general
population is, say, 1%, is meaningless. For that one person the
possibility might be very high and repeated testing will not
significantly reduce the possibility.
Another problem with HIV testing is the Positive Predictive Value
predicament. Let's say that 1/1000 people in the general population
are HIV infected. And let's say that the HIV test is 99% accurate.
That means that if you test 1000 people you'll get about 1 true
positive and 10 false positives. This is the reason why testing a
low risk population is a BAD idea!
Getting away from mathematics, it's interesting to note that some
of Serrano's symptoms were AIDS defining. That is, this is proof
that AIDS drugs can cause AIDS.
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