Jacob Sullum | July 5, 2007
In a recent working paper, Washington University economist Charles Courtemanche finds a negative association between gasoline prices and obesity, supporting his hypothesis that paying more at the pump encourages people to walk instead of drive, which leads to weight loss. Courtemanche projects that a $1 increase in the price of gas would reduce the prevalence of obesity in the U.S. by 13 percent, which he says would prevent 15,000 obesity-related deaths and save $16 billion per year. He also estimates that "13% of the rise in obesity in the U.S. between 1979 and 2004 can be attributed to declining real gas prices during the period." He therefore sees a "silver lining" in recent gas price increases, which have "the potential to significantly improve public health," and suggests that gas taxes should be set with an eye toward a slimmer America.
Using data from the Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System, Courtemanche finds that gas prices are correlated with self-reported exercise levels. Oddly, though, his measure is all forms of exercise, rather than the walking he posits as the cause of greater calorie expenditure. He suggests that "as people become accustomed to additional walking, physical activity becomes more pleasant for them, and they may increase other types of exercise." It seems at least as plausible that they would cut back on other forms of exercise, reasoning that they are already getting a workout by walking so much. It is also worth noting that Courtemanche's projection of health care savings seems to hinge on the assumption that excess weight per se is responsible for the diseases associated with obesity. Even assuming he's right, the savings amount to just 15 percent of the additional spending on gasoline that he estimates would result from a $1 increase in gas prices.
Maybe higher gas prices do affect how much people weigh. But using that connection as a rationale for raising gas taxes means overriding the preferences of people who would rather drive than walk, even if it means they weigh a bit more than they otherwise would. The same argument could be used to justify high taxes on labor-saving devices such as dishwashers, remote controls, and gas-powered lawnmowers, not to mention TV sets, video games, books, and other products associated with a sedentary lifestyle. Courtemanche takes it for granted that fining people for avoiding exercise, which is what taxing gasoline to encourage walking instead of driving effectively does, is an unobjectionable policy, provided it works. This approach, all too common in treatments of sloth, gluttony, and other "public health" issues, transforms what should be a debate about the value of liberty and the proper function of government into a technocratic discussion about which forms of social engineering are most efficient.
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"a $1 increase in the price of gas would ... save $16 billion
per year."
Unfortunately, since Americans consume 385 million gallons of
gasoline per day, it would cost them over $140 billion per
year.
That's a lousy return on investment.
Good post, Jacob.
The other problem with protecting people from themselves is that
any issue can consume all others. Let's suppose, for the sake of
argument, that helping people lose weight were a legitimate
function of government. (Just for the sake of argument.) A few
narrowly targeted programs that directly relate to obesity would
then be OK.
But if every single issue facing government, from zoning to
gasoline taxes to whatever else, gets considered under the obesity
rubric, how will policy-makers come up with a gasoline policy that
makes sense in terms of gasoline issues? The economic impacts of a
gasoline tax will have to share the stage with something only
distantly related.
I'm pretty sure Hayek would say that this is a good reason why
government should only have a few issues on its plate, rather than
every single issue under the sun.
Wait 'till we have our grand national healthcare system. You haven't seen lumping disparate issues under one heading until you see what Public Health funded by the taxpayer looks like.
He's stringing along alot of causality, but I welcome (free
market driven) higher gas prices for another reason; less SUV's on
the road. Use an SUV for what it was meant for, hauling lots of
stuff and lots of people, not rush hour commuting and then trying
to kill us that drive smaller cars.
I welcome $4 gas and the associated benefits.
Here's a novel approach: if we deem obesity to be such a problem that it demands a government program of punitive taxation, why not tax fat directly? Each and every American can (and should) be required to appear quarterly at a government weigh station to be weighed, and then charged a tax based some some calculation of that individual's variance from ideal body mass. Think of the health benefits to be derived from the cycles of fasting and bingeing which will accompany one's weigh-in date.
I'm not sure what Courtemanche is basing his assumptions on.
Outside of large cities with good public transportation(for my part
of the country that's pretty much NYC and Boston), I'm not sure
that higher gas prices would result in increased walking, just
decreased driving which doesn't necessarily translate to the same
thing.
For instance, I'd be happy to walk to work and to the grocery store
if they weren't 12 and 6 miles away.
So in other words, Jacob is endorsing taxes on labor, like
income taxes and payroll taxes.
Well, no, not really, but if you're going to nix one type of
taxation because it changes the cost of certain activities, you are
saying that you think those taxes would be better raised elsewhere,
from existing revenue streams.
We've got this thing called a government. Sorry about that. It
costs money. Sorry about that, too. That money is raised in the
form of taxes. Again, my bad. When given the choice of Tax A or Tax
B, noting that Tax A would produce an incentive/disincentive system
isn't enough to draw a conclusion.
To be clear, I think taxation on gas is a less bad revenue raiser than most other taxes I can think of. It is certainly better than a productivity tax.
Also, as far as the line, "It is also worth noting that
Courtemanche's projection of health care savings seems to hinge on
the assumption that excess weight per se is responsible for the
diseases associated with obesity,"
it would seem a pretty valid assumption that the weight people lose
because they're getting more exercise via walking does represent a
genuine improvement in people's health. That weight loss would, if
Courtemarche's assumptions about walking replacing driving are
correction, represent the effects of greater exercise. Even if one
believes that BMI is a bogus measure and some people can be quite
healthy even carrying more weight than the FDA recommends, that
doesn't change the fact that exercise does genuinely improve
health. Heck, the 180 pound woman who goes to the gym four times a
week for cardio-boxing is the poster child for the anti-BMI
argument.
And what David said.
Walking or even biking can only replace a small fraction of most
people's driving trips.
yeah i hate cars and all and love to walk, but what i've seen of
'merica that's not really feasible.
even going to college on long island with no car involved stupid
bus trips with multiple changeovers and a lot of walking in the
rain at 3 am. also, long island cops are not known for their sense
of humor and people who walk at night make them paranoid.
It's also possible that since both food and fuel expenditures
come from a common source, higher prices for one might reduce the
ability to purchase the other.
By spending more money on gas, we have less for food, therefore
weight is lost.
By spending more money on gas, we have less for food,
therefore weight is lost.
Ah, but the rub is that fattening foods are cheaper.
Hugh -
Except that more money spent on gay means less money spent on food,
and the potential that the same amount of food is consumed but in
poorer quality, which can result in weight gain.
Courtemanche has a problem here. While I haven't read the whole
study (although I'd like to), it appears to me that he needs to do
a follow up study with a related time variable. The effects of $4 a
gallon gas, as many of you have pointed out, cannot possibly lead
to a lot of people walking instead of driving in most places. There
is absolutely no way that I can take the bus to work without it
taking me an hour and a half, and requiring me to bike the last
mile of it (in the rain/snow), while driving only takes 20 minutes.
If it was financially feasible for me to take the bus at $3 (which
it is), it would still be at $4... but that wouldn't make me any
more likely to take the bus. The difference here is that he needs
to look at effects of $4 a gallon gas in year y, year y+1, year
y+2, year y+3, etc. I imagine you'd find a much larger change in
peoples commuting habits if gas stayed at the high price for
multiple years, and a resulting decrease in obesity rates when
walking/biking/bussing to work increases. I, for example, would
probably move closer to my place of work, possibly within walking
distance. Bus routes might be altered because the clientele for
whom riding the bus is an economic necessity/advantage suddenly
increased and changed in demographic... what I'm saying is, effects
that may not be available immediately may be more available in the
future if the conditions remain the same. But that doesn't seem to
be what he's measuring.
Oh, and boooooo on gas taxes for the sake of government control
over peoples "sinful" habits. The only reason gas taxes should be
increased is if they're going to be used to completely fund this
overdeveloped behemoth of an interstate system in my own state so I
don't have to fund truckers going through South Carolina or
whatever, and I can drive on the road without fear of breaking my
axel. Thanks New York!
Food amounts to 9% of Americans' spending, the lowest such
figure of any monetarized society in human history. In the 1920s,
it was nearly a quarter of all spending.
The idea that gas prices are cutting into people's ability to
secure food is a reach.
So in other words, Jacob is endorsing taxes on labor, like
income taxes and payroll taxes.
Maybe he'd like to see more capital gains tax, instead, like I
would. I wouldn't just assume that Mr. Sullum is one of those
corporatarians who has it in for the working person.
Maybe higher gas prices do affect how much people weigh. But
using that connection as a rationale for raising gas taxes means
overriding the preferences of people who would rather drive than
walk, even if it means they weigh a bit more than they otherwise
would.
What Mr. Sullum forgets here is that gasoline is hardly priced on
anything resembling a free market model. How much would a gallon be
at the pumps if the cost factored in the huge amounts of military
spending that goes into securing the oil fields of the Middle
East?
This approach, all too common in treatments of sloth, gluttony,
and other "public health" issues, transforms what should be a
debate about the value of liberty and the proper function of
government into a technocratic discussion about which forms of
social engineering are most efficient.
Well, aside from the derisive manner in which public policy that
one doesn't like is labeled "social engineering", it seems like a
worthwhile discussion to me.
FWIW, I think taxing gasoline is a lesser evil relative to taxing certain other things. I just think that factoring obesity into our analysis takes us far afield, and pretty soon you're in a Hayekian nightmare of trying to solve every problem under the sun.
thoreau,
If we are going to collect X dollars in taxes, it would seem
appropriate to look at the "externalities" - positive and negative
- of different approaches.
I would tax Raquel Welch. Although I have the feeling she'd tax
me.
joe-
Sure, looking at externalities is fine, I just think it's dangerous
to go too far afield in your analysis. Once you go too far from the
most immediate consequences, it's likely that you'll do so
inconsistently when comparing different taxes. Go several steps of
causation ("this causes something that causes something else that
reduces the use of this thing that increases the use of that other
thing...") when analyzing one tax, but stop after two steps of
causation when analyzing another tax.
That's a Hayekian nightmare.
It's like when Shikha Dalmia said the Hummer was cleaner than the
hybrid because she counted every drop of fuel used to grow the food
eaten by the janitor at the engineering firm that designed a key
widget for the Prius. (I'm only slightly exaggerating there.) But
she didn't do the same for the Hummer.
Regarding Raquel Welch, Elaine Benes got beaten up on Seinfeld for walking in a manner vaguely reminiscent of Ms. Welch. Be careful.
It seems a bit absurd to spend billions on road infrastructure
and spend decades using zoning laws to force development
[particularly commercial development] built around the concept of
the parking space and then get mad when people drive instead of
walk.
If you live in any place developed after 1950, it's not feasible to
walk for typical household errands, no matter WHAT the gas tax is.
If you live in a place developed before 1950, it IS feasible to
walk, and people do it whether gas prices are high or not. The
people being driven to walk by the gas tax are a very small part of
the population who have the discretion to walk but don't.
How about before we start punishing people with gas taxes because
they use our residential and commercial spaces the way a-hole
planners WANTED THEM TO, we experiment with undoing the development
regime that created the problem in the first place?
This approach, all too common in treatments of sloth,
gluttony, and other "public health" issues, transforms what should
be a debate about the value of liberty and the proper function of
government into a technocratic discussion about which forms of
social engineering are most efficient.
Umm... This hardly makes sense to me, Mr. Sullum. What
exactly is it that should be a debate about the value of liberty
and the proper function of government?
The study? Hardly. The study should be about what the
study is about, and there is nothing contradictory about admitting
that the results of the survey may be valid (though again, I
haven't read the whole thing), even if his recommendations aren't
of our taste.
I really don't get what you meant. Poor writing that reeks of
rhetoric and pulling at emotional heart-strings. It looks like it
belongs in a stump speech, not in a review of a (probably)
legitimate econometric study in a magazine that largely preaches to
the choir.
Dave W.
"Maybe he'd like to see more capital gains tax, instead, like I
would."
Did you consider that capital gains from corporations derive from
retained earnings, which are already taxed? Similarly divedends
derive from post-tax earnings.
However, to throw you a bone, I'm all fine with taxing interest
income, since corporations deduct interest payments from their
taxable income.
Basically, I believe that if you're going to tax income, you should
aim to tax all income only once at the same rate to avoid
distorting the productive economy.
Umm... This hardly makes sense to me, Mr. Sullum. What
exactly is it that should be a debate about the value of liberty
and the proper function of government?
In the classic "preaching to the converted" style, Sullum is
telling us that the proper function of government is already
decided and thus needs no further debate.
Did you consider that capital gains from corporations derive
from retained earnings, which are already taxed? Similarly
divedends derive from post-tax earnings.
I would be willing to displace income and payroll taxes with an
increased tax on retained earnings. It doesn't matter to me how
many stages it takes to get the taxes out, just so long as income
and payroll taxes get displaced in the end.
I am also willing to displace income and payroll taxes with
military spending cuts.
I am also willing to displace retail sales taxes with drastic cuts
to expenditures on police.
I have considered lots of things and support many!
"In the classic "preaching to the converted" style, Sullum is
telling us that the proper function of government is already
decided and thus needs no further debate."
Actually, he's saying the reverse.
You would not bother conducting the above study unless you had
already decided that using taxation to attempt to control people's
weight was an acceptable public policy. It is Courtemanche who has
decided that he knows what the proper function of government is,
and now merely wants to study which taxes produce the desired
outcome. It is Sullum who wants to re-debate the question of
appropriateness as part of every public policy discussion.
Dividends are paid from the corporation to the stockholders,
just like wages.
And until I see stockholders going to prison upon the conviction of
a corporation for violating the law, I'm not buying the argument
that corporation and its stockholders are one and the same.
Except that more money spent on gay means
less money spent on food
Tell me about it.
You would not bother conducting the above study unless you
had already decided that using taxation to attempt to control
people's weight was an acceptable public policy. It is Courtemanche
who has decided that he knows what the proper function of
government is, and now merely wants to study which taxes produce
the desired outcome.
I could have missed it, but I didn't see anything about
Courtemanche proposing additional tax on gasoline. It may simply be
the case that he was curious as to whether people will walk more as
it becomes more expensive to drive.
That's fine, Dan. Perhaps Courtemanche is merely curious. That's
commendable in anyone.
Your statement about Sollum is still wrong, though.
I agree, Dan. Fluffy, it's not necessary to have an underlying policy in mind before you conduct a study to see what the effects of something might be. Maybe the study was conducted for a completely separate purpose and he merely found something to be more significant than he thought he would. Maybe, as the title of the article says (and then complains about....???), the study could be used as an agent against the freakazoids who think the government needs to "do something" about high gas prices.
I'm a markets guy but there really isn't anything about higher
gas prices that I welcome.
As to preferring to walk, it is nine miles from here to the nearest
point of civilization and it was 95 degrees yesterday. Yeah, I'm
walking.
OTOH, I do walk almost every morning with the dogs. About a mile
and a half. And where I live that's uphill both ways.
This kind of individual choice and the reasons behind the choices
people make seems to be completely lost on people like
Courtemanche. You know, the folks with all the answers.
joe:
"Dividends are paid from the corporation to the stockholders,
just like wages.
Actually joe, dividends are not paid at all like wages. Wages are
paid out of pre-tax income... meaning that the corporation deducts
all wages from its gross earnings before paying taxes on net
income. Wages are taxed only once in the hands of the
recipient.
Dividends are paid out of post-tax income, and are taxed twice -
once in the hands of the corporation and again in the hands of the
recipient. The two are quite different.
Where it gets complicated is that individuals are taxed
progressively, while corporations pay a mostly flat tax. The
various permutations of individual income tax brackets, long &
short term capital gains, dividend and corporate tax rates result
in all sorts of complicated corporate structuring to minimize taxes
(junk-bonds, income trusts, stapled-units, etc...). Tax structuring
alone is probably half of what keeps investment banks in
business.
"And until I see stockholders going to prison upon the
conviction of a corporation for violating the law, I'm not buying
the argument that corporation and its stockholders are one and the
same."
Non-sequitur. Should employees be sent to prison because the evil
corporation didn't pay taxes on it wage expenses?
To make that last comment a little more clear...
Should employees be held liable for their employer's misdeeds
because their wages are only subject to taxation once?
Or to put it another way, it doesn't follow why limited legal
liability and double taxation should go hand-in-hand.
"I would be willing to displace income and payroll taxes with an
increased tax on retained earnings."
And would you be willing to call it the "success tax?"
And would you be willing to call it the "success
tax?"
I would call it the-rich-man-pays-for-the-army tax.
I would also call it the the-way-we-taxed-before-WWII tax.
I would also call it the-best-way-to-get-government-spending-cut
tax.
I would also call it the
thanking-the-people-who-made-my-success-possible tax.
Anyway, it is probably best to make it a tax on corporate earnings,
and to make the rate proportional to the value of the company. THen
bigness would just be not-badness, but rather it would become
taxalicious goodness. And corps would lobby for cuts in favor of
subsidies.
Heh. Mr. Courtemanche's name means "short sleeve". (No, I don't have a point.)
Even when the market fails and a major depression ensues, it's all for the best because in a depression, people eat less and lose wieght. Find making ends meet stressful? Worried about a bankrupting illness? No problemo. Stress and worry reduce waist lines.
Dave, the real problem[s] with a tax on retained earnings
are:
1. It would bias the market incredibly in favor of mature
oligopolies. You're a union guy, I know, so maybe that's what you
secretly want or something, but a tax on retained earnings
essentially means that mature, well-capitalized companies would be
effectively protected from competition by companies that are
retaining earnings to grow.
2. It would dramatically increase the power of investment bankers
above even its current elevated level, since if you were a small
company running up against the structural obstacle outlined in #1,
the only way around it would be to increase your capital base by
going to the stock or bond markets.
#1 and #2 in combination are a recipe to vastly empower the
existing wealthy and allow them to entrench their positions against
entrepreneurs and the upwardly mobile. No one will be allowed to
compete with existing players without paying a stiff tax penalty
first and/or paying a hefty fee to gatekeeper bankers and hanging
off equity slices to the already-wealthy.
Wine Commonsewer, you are a markets guy but you don't welcome high gas prices, and there's no reason why you should. However, would you be willing to sacrifice a trillion dollars in tax dollars and thousands of lives to keep gas prices from rising? There are many such people, apparently, although the number seems to be dropping as the cost in blood and treasure increases without apparent bound.
No company has ever paid any taxes. The customers of the company pay the taxes, just like they pay the light bill and the rent.
KenK, by that same logic you've been self you've never paid any
taxes, unless you've been self-employed. Your employer has paid
them.
Do you see the problem with that logic?
Thank you thoreau,
You've just provided yet another reason for me to continue
believing that you're the single most reasonable individual here at
reason.
I've only driven my car during one week this year. I've traveled
by bicycle or walking the rest of the time. If gas was free, I'm
sure that I would have driven more.
I do see more people walking and carrying bags from stores more
than I used to.
For most people the convenience of a car trip outweighs the added
cost from rising gasoline prices, but for some longer travel time
is worth the money savings.
Its a lot like cigarette prices. As prices do up (compared to
wages), the number of people smoking drops.
I'm the author of the paper in question. I appreciate the
interest in my topic, but I'm afraid my findings are being a bit
misinterpreted. I did not intend to imply that additional gasoline
taxes would be beneficial for society, just that additional
gasoline taxes would reduce obesity. Whether the net impact on
social welfare would be positive or negative is well beyond the
scope of my paper; I mention that as being a possible direction for
future research.
Also, I want to comment on why health economists generally feel
that some policy intervention is necessary regarding obesity,
despite the fact that eating and exercise are personal choices.
Classical economic theory suggests that welfare is maximized by
staying out of people's way UNLESS one of several conditions, known
as "market failures," applies. One of the most common market
failures is an externality, which is where your action affects
others. For example, this is why we have cigarette taxes ...
secondhand smoke creates a negative externality, so without
government intervention the social optimum will not be reached.
With obesity, the most obvious negative externality is medical
expenses. Because of public insurance (Medicare and Medicaid), the
medical expenses of obese people are often paid for by taxpayers.
For people with private insurance, their medical expenses increase
everyone's premiums. In short, then, the argument that weight is a
personal choice and should not be interfered with breaks down
because of our insurance system. Other market failures that may
apply to obesity are addiction and lack of perfect information, but
this externality is the one most frequently discussed in the
literature.
Again, that doesn't necessarily mean the gas taxes are the best
policy, just that SOME obesity-reducing policy is probably
appropriate.
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