Brian Doherty | June 25, 2007
The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) files an amicus brief in a case, U.S. v. Arnold (being considered by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals) of a man caught on child porn charges because of a search of his laptop by customs agents at Los Angeles airport. From the EFF press release:
Over the past several years, U.S. customs agents have been searching and even seizing travelers' laptops when they are entering or leaving the country if the traveler fits a profile, appears to be on a government watch list, or is chosen for a random inspection. The Supreme Court has ruled that customs and border agents may perform "routine" searches at the border without a warrant or even reasonable suspicion, but EFF and ACTE argue that inspections of computers are far more invasive than flipping through a briefcase.
"Our laptop computers contain vast amounts of personal information about our lives. You may do your banking on your computer, for example, or send email to your doctor about health concerns," said EFF Senior Staff Attorney Lee Tien. "Travelers should not be subjected to unconstitutionally invasive searches of their laptops and other electronic devices just because they are crossing the border."
Full EFF amicus brief.
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"Our laptops computers contain
vast amounts of personal information about our lives."
All fixed.
Password protection, people, password protection!
Nice in theory.
"What is your password, sir. You aren't going anywhere until I see
what's behind it. If you haven't done anything wrong..."
The only valid reason for the airport search is to discover
anything dangerous to the plane or other passengers. All else
should require a warrant.
Password protection, hell. Encryption, people, encryption.
But really, you have no rights at the border which was made clear
to me in the '70s. They can search anything and ANYWHERE, if you
get my drift. SCOTUS will side w/ customs on this if it ever gets
that far. Bet on it.
I'm sorry, I misread/misinterpreted. On a domestic flight, SCOTUS might, nay should, side with liberty. But I doubt it.
J sub D,
There is no US Customs search when you fly on domestic
flights.
LarryA,
These are US Customs searches, not airport security. You have
already landed and left the plane when they search you. They can
search anything for contraband, which could very easily be on a
computer, as it was in this case. They are also searching for legal
products that you are not paying duty on. Such as jewelry or
anything beyond the $500 or whatever the duty free exemption
is.
If you drive across the border, they can take your car apart bolt by bolt at their discretion. I don't think the EFF has much of a leg to stand on here.
So I got I right the first time. Please treat my second post like a campaign promise. It never happened.
What I find interesting is that the issue is so pointless.
Assuming you support (as the overwhelming majority of Americans do)
the foolish practice of trying to prevent drugs from crossing the
border, you can support physical searches as furthering that goal.
Even a lot of libertarians are willing to attempt to suppress
child-porn -- but searching laptops at the border might be the
least effective way of doing that.
Not surprisingly, almost all electronic contraband is transmitted
electronically.
Any of you who insists on smuggling data the hard way -- by writing
it on a physical medium and hand-carrying it past customs -- should
investigate the field of steganography.
Password protection is mostly wishful thinking.
There are electronic utilities that will neatly crack open most
computers protected with a password.
So if you want it confidential you need to encrypt it.
Been wondering how long it will be before you can be locked up
until you agree to decrypt (ie give them password/key) your
files.
Not much longer I think.
If you're worried about being forced to give up your password be sure to use an encryption scheme with plausible deniability: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deniable_encryption
If you drive across the border, they can take your car apart
bolt by bolt at their discretion. I don't think the EFF has much of
a leg to stand on here.
crimethink, according to Brian Doherty's post itself, that is not
correct.
The Supreme Court has ruled that customs and border agents may perform "routine" searches at the border without a warrant or even reasonable suspicion[.]
The issue is what can be searched without "reasonable suspicion."
Apparently, according to the post, they can do "routine" searches
which certainly would not include taking your car apart,
and should not include searching the electronic content of
a laptop which is obviously not hiding drugs or weapons or
fruit.
No doubt the laptops are taken to the TSA's new Orwellian-named
'Freedom' Center
http://www.tsa.gov/press/speeches/freedom_dedication.shtm
Brian Courts,
I believe the "They can take your car apart bolt by bolt, and if
they don't find anything, they give you back the pile of bolts and
wish you a nice day" story.
I use to cross the US/CA border fairly regular, every car was
stopped and "routinely" searched. This always included being
questioned (Citizenship? Where are you going? How long were you in
Canada? Are you attempting to smuggle drugs or other contraband
into the United States? e.g.) and sometimes included a look in the
trunk. However, the customs agent could deem you to be suspicious
(for just about any reason), and single you out for a more intense
search.
I've known people who were told "pull over there" and had their
luggage opened and spread out while being grilled for a couple of
hours.
What is done with the lap tops is more than a search for
contraband. They often confiscate the computer and either keep it
for weeks or copy the entire hard drive to go through it. Now
compare that to what they do with a car? They may search a car
thoroughly and bring out sniffer dogs and such. But they don't keep
the car for weeks.
And the essence of a computer is information so when they copy a
hard drive they have all your passwords, bank account details, etc.
I believe the courts have previously ruled that constitutional
rights regarding searches do not apply at border control because to
apply you have to be officially within the country and you aren't
in the country until the search is over.
PAPERS!! Get used to the searches. In this country you have been having the right to be stop and searched for crossing the street rememeber. we gave up those rights and now we dare question the invasion of a laptops privacy lol. PAPERS!!!
They often confiscate the computer and either keep it for
weeks or copy the entire hard drive to go through it.
As long as they are just copying it, who cares? I thought you
didn't have any property rights in information anyway.
If they took my company laptop with a mind to rummage through it, I'd accuse them of trying to steal corporate information. They a free to verify that the laptop is one given to me by my company, but they would not be free to browse through it and i'd sit there in customs until they got the point. Granted, some border guards are just as hard headed and rock stupid and some LEO's, but I'd protect my company from prying eyes of idiots.
For a previous employer I was doing some work in Canada. I
shipped-ahead a box containing some scientific instruments and an
obsolete laptop used for datalogging to myself via UPS.
When I arrived at the job site, my box had not arrived yet. A
couple of days later we found that the box was held up in Canadian
Customs. A week and a half later my box showed up, with the two
$5,000-apiece instruments, but no laptop. No explanation was ever
received for the missing laptop, however, UPS replaced it based on
the insurance we had bought on the package. Luckily there was no
company confidential information on the laptop.
Brian Courts,
Leaving aside the question of what exactly "routine" will mean in
practice, I'm pretty sure BP agents can take your car apart if they
suspect you have some sort of hidden compartment in the car, where
you could be hiding contraband, explosives, illegal aliens,
etc.
And while a laptop obviously doesn't contain fruit or drugs, it may
contain child pornography or illegally copied copyrighted material,
both of which you are NOT allowed to import, so Customs agents are
allowed to inspect them at entry into the US.
Passwords and encryption are nice, and I'm using both, but I still prefer keeping all my data on a server, off my travel laptop. My travel laptop is nice and clean, with only the basic software installed, and an empty Documents folder. The only personal information anybody would be able to find (without running some heavy-duty hard drive recovery tools) are severely time-limited cookies.
The remark: "As long as they are just copying it, who cares? I
thought you didn't have any property rights in information anyway"
is rather absurd.
This individual seems to be saying you have no right to keep the
pin number to your bank accounts secret. They are confiscating
information that can be used to rob people blind or can be used for
identity theft. There is all sorts of information that people have
property rights in. Patients, copyrights are two examples.
I'm curious what the libertarian justification for punishing
possession of child porn is. I understand that it's intended to
remove the profit motive for the producers of such material, but we
don't apply that reasoning to other products.
For instance, I'm sure I have some stuff that was made with Chinese
slave labor. Why is it not OK to punish me, so as to discourage the
rights-violating use of slave labor, but it is OK to punish the
possessor of foreign-made child pornography?
As long as they are just copying it, who cares? I thought
you didn't have any property rights in information
anyway
You're comparing apples and oranges. In this case, the person is
being forced to disclose information that they wish to keep secret.
That's totally different from trying to keep someone else from
disseminating information you've already disclosed.
Why is it not OK to punish me, so as to discourage the
rights-violating use of slave labor, but it is OK to punish the
possessor of foreign-made child pornography?
I'll take a stab at answering your question: Because there is no
obvious way to tell whether the goods were, in fact, made with
Chinese slave labor. However, in the case of child pornography, it
is quite obvious that a crime was committed. The pictures are the
evidence. Concerning the so-called slave labor goods, it is not
readily apparent that a crime was committed in the course of their
manufacturing.
Also you should consider the fact that "slave labor" is a pretty
generic term. It would require a clear definition as to what
hypothetical offenses are being committed against the
workers.
For further example, if you had a cat and someone gave you pictures
that they took of themselves abusing your cat, wouldn't you want
that person punished for torturing/abusing your cat, even if the
cat appears to be physically ok? I would think so. In regards to
child pornography -- and I will add that I am not a computer
forensics expert -- I imagine that it is not easy -- or perhaps not
even possible -- to tell where the images originated from, so
logically the possessor of said images should have some share of
the blame for them.
I don't think the "slave labor goods" analogy holds up well. I'm
not an economist so I can't say why exactly, but I think varied
standards of living would be one reason why. If a country's economy
is shite through and through, sometimes a sweat shop is the only
place to earn a living.
However, in the case of child pornography, it is quite
obvious that a crime was committed.
That's debatable. First off, in some cases you can't be sure that
the "performers" are actually children; and even if you could, you
can't be sure that production was made in a jurisdiction where the
age of consent is higher than their ages.
I guess the heart of my question is, why do we assume that the
China-made cup holder in my car was made without violating anyone's
rights until proven otherwise, but we assume that any pornography
with young-looking performers did violate their rights until proven
otherwise (which is why professional porn studios have to keep
evidence of the age of their performers).
crimethink,
I think we are using different definitions of the term "child
pornography". You seem to be using the strict legal sense of the
term, taking it to mean any pornography with "young-looking"
performers under the age of 18 in the US (or whatever imposed
teen age that any given country decides upon). I
am not talking about teenagers. I am talking about people who are
clearly not adults in any way, shape, or form. And most countries
do consider that a violation of a minor's rights, so that is why we
probably assume that someone's rights were violated until proven
otherwise.
I'm pretty sure BP agents can take your car apart if they
suspect you have some sort of hidden compartment in the car, where
you could be hiding contraband, explosives, illegal aliens,
etc.
Presumably they have "reasonable suspicion" as you have stated it,
yes.
[The laptop] may contain child pornography or illegally copied
copyrighted material, both of which you are NOT allowed to import,
so Customs agents are allowed to inspect them at entry into the
US.
No, you are again missing the "reasonable suspicion" part. The fact
that you could be doing something illegal is not
sufficient to meet the standard so there is a case here. If you are
merely saying that in practice they may decide it is reasonable,
then fine, that might well be true (apparently it is true) - but
that is precisely why we have the court case. To simply state that
they can search because there just might be
illegal items somewhere clearly is wrong according to the current
legal standard as stated by the Supreme Court.
Same thing for Warren's comment above - yes if they have a
reasonable suspicion they can take your car apart I'm sure. This is
not about that, this is about a random person with no reason to
suspect he has child porn or anything else on him being asked to
allow a search through his computer. I don't get why that
distinction seems so hard for anyone to address.
As the stated Supreme Court standard now stands, there is
a limit on what border agents can search without suspicion. If that
turns out to be ignored in practice then we end up with court cases
like this where the court can address what a "routine search"
includes. Simply arguing that there could be something
illegal does not even attempt to address the standard. You have to
make an argument for why a laptop's contents should be considered
"routine" in terms of searching.
But why should possession of evidence of a crime itself be criminal? For instance, the cat example.
Get a mac, turn on FileVault on your
login. Log off before getting on the plane, or power off (that's
what I do). Create a dummy login with nothing interesting in it.
Use it every now and then so it has some docs lying around. Log in
to the dummy login to show the BP agents your stuff.
Can anyone here name the two constitutional rights that Bush has
not sought to undermine? The protection against unreasonable
searches definitely has been shredded already, folks.
Password protection won't work. They will force you to provide
it and, if you refuse, it will be interpreted as 'guilt' and you
won't be allowed to proceed.
Ideally, you should just hide your private data and let them see
the stuff you don't mind them seeing. i.e. you need plausible
deniability.
For this reason, I recommend http://www.truecrypt.org/
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