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Actual Subhead: Will President Bush speak out against the treatment Miss USA received in Mexico?
Can America withstand an onslaught of aggressive beauty pageantry? Michelle Malkin says no:
On Monday night, the beautiful young woman who represented America in the Miss Universe pageant was booed and mocked as she competed on stage in Mexico City. Rachel Smith, 22, did her best to respond with grace and dignity during the top-five finalists' interview segment as the audience disrupted the event.
The verbal derision continued as judge Tony Romo asked Smith to pick one moment in her life she would relive.
Definitely not this one.
Smith soldiered through her answer, describing an educational trip to South Africa. Catcalls and whistles nearly drowned out Smith's reply until she wrapped up with "Buenos noches, Mexico."
I wouldn't have been so polite.
Will President Bush speak out against the treatment Miss USA received in Mexico? Will any amnesty peddler in Washington?
Verbal derision: the worst kind! The real villian in Malkin's telenovela is Donald Trump, who dared suggest that the reaction was rooted in opposition to immigration policy rather than deep-seated animus toward beauty queens from Tennessee.
Outside issues of our coming pageant-based foreign policy, the real question is: Isn't Miss USA in rehab? Apparently, the hard-drinking one is last year's Miss USA, who will presumably be attacked by roving bands of Mexicans as soon as they can track her down.
bts|5.30.07 @ 7:45PM|#
"The real villian in Malkin's telenovela is Donald Trump, who
dared suggest that the reaction was rooted in opposition to
immigration policy rather than deep-seated animus toward beauty
queens from Tennessee."
Please tell me that's a bad joke alluding to Malkin's moronic "Ron
Paul hates America" position. Otherwise, she's even dumber than I
thought possible. Of course it's about immigration! Or maybe the
Mexicans just hate her for her freedoms. Riiiight...
|5.30.07 @ 8:01PM|#
Well, it's not as though Mexico has ever lacked for grievances (real and imagined) against the US. I don't know why it would have to be limited to immigration-related anger this time.
|5.30.07 @ 8:17PM|#
The lady was booed and mocked by beaners who are too stupid and
lazy to become wetbacks. We are getting the cream and the sludge
remains in the kleptocratic mire to jeer at beauty.
Feel sorry and superior to them.
NEXT!
Single Issue Voter|5.30.07 @ 8:35PM|#
Beauty Pageant "blowback".
Maybe Donald Trump can explain it to Guliani.
I assume the audience for Miss Universe in Mexico City are the
kleptocrats.
I wish our CIA was more Wild Bill Donovan and less Valerie
Plame-Wilson then maybe we could engage in a little political
re-alignment with concurrent wealth redistribution and fix the mess
south of the border.
|5.30.07 @ 8:47PM|#
No wonder Democrats want as many Mexicans here as possible. They already hate America and will fit nicely into their party.
|5.30.07 @ 8:58PM|#
This is actually quite funny. The whole thing. From the audience
booing a "symbol", to Faux News considering the incident an
international incident, to Michelle Malkin yet embarrassing herself
by another tyrade the defies any sense or logic.
I'd comment, but why should I? I'll just get the pop corn, Michelle
is my new Jerry Springer show; Human absurdity on display.
|5.30.07 @ 8:59PM|#
And Mexico hating us must also be due to all the Jewish settlements we're supporting down there.
|5.30.07 @ 9:11PM|#
The Mexicans are still sore because our national soccer team
beat theirs.
The fact that 99.9% of the people in America don't even know or
care that that happened makes it even more galling.
|5.30.07 @ 9:20PM|#
The nuttiest thing from Malkin's piece is where she slams the hosts for failing to come "to Smith's defense" despite being "fellow Americans".
|5.30.07 @ 10:03PM|#
They hate us for our beauty.
They hate us because we live in the United States, while they live
in what is, has been, and probably always will be, a shithole. They
are simply envious.
|5.30.07 @ 10:17PM|#
hey MK. I didn't believe you because I didn't think there was a
US male Soccer team. I Googled it, and yup, there is a "Mens
National Team", who have whupped Mexico on US soil for 8 straight
years
(http://www.ussoccer.com/articles/viewArticle.jsp_281684.html)
It amazes me what people do in their spare time.
Xenophun|5.30.07 @ 10:55PM|#
Why don't we just make Mexico the 51st State? Seems that would solve all the problems. Don't Yankees deride those Southern Hicks and vice versa? Mexico could become the new South.
The Wine Commonsewer|5.30.07 @ 11:17PM|#
The real villian in Malkin's telenovela is Donald Trump, who
dared suggest that the reaction was rooted in opposition to
immigration policy....
Yeah, that's it.
Jesus Chrysler.
The Wine Commonsewer|5.30.07 @ 11:18PM|#
The nuttiest thing from Malkin's piece is where she slams
the hosts for failing to come "to Smith's defense" despite being
"fellow Americans".
flip that around and make it Americans booing Ms Mexico and see how
the dog hunts.
thoreau|5.30.07 @ 11:33PM|#
I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that the people risking
dehydration to mow lawns are not the same people who can afford
beauty pageant tickets.
No, wait, I'm not even gonna bother making a serious point about
this. It's some goddamn booing at a fucking beauty pageant.
The Wine Commonsewer|5.30.07 @ 11:38PM|#
...a fucking beauty pageant
TEE, if that were the case they wouldn't have been booing and the
crowd would have been larger.
:-)
Steven Thomas|5.30.07 @ 11:47PM|#
How dare they stain the high office of Miss America! We might have to appeal this one all the way up to Mr. Universe.
|5.31.07 @ 2:05AM|#
I hope that the booing was in fact a "reaction to immigration policy", because then these retards would be essentially booing the fact that they have to live in Mexico.
|5.31.07 @ 2:08AM|#
SIV: the euro-trash klepto's don't congregate in an audience.
The booing masses are Bourgeois pigs enjoying their bread and
circus. When all of the lower classes are in the US, they will
tumble down the food chain. They boo at themselves, just like
Malkin.
Twatreau: "Risking dehydration mowing lawns." WTF, over. Are you
completely insane, fucknut? If you ever in your life actually
worked side by side with Mexicans, you would know that they are
smart enough to get shit done in the hot sun day in and day out
while avoiding heat exhaustion.
That's right, those little, cute invisible men that cut your lawn
are actually intelligent human beings, not moronic victims of white
enslavement.
But no, you are a smart guy racist fuckwad. Now go suck your latte
and don't spill it on your cool urban black outfit.
|5.31.07 @ 2:13AM|#
Comment 1: I feel terrible for Miss USA, not about any booing,
but because being on a stage and falling like that is any
performer's worst nightmare. As silly as the whole thing is, in
that world, it's horrible.
#2: IT'S A BEAUTY PAGEANT. WHY IS *ANYBODY* WATCHING!!?!?!? (It's
like watching an old james bond movie; if you want tittilation,
it's a little dated, not to mention over-made up and
plasticised)
|5.31.07 @ 3:13AM|#
Jay really got you with that one, Thoreau. You simply cannot argue with that kind of insight. Especially how he like totally fucked with your name. That was super-awesome!
|5.31.07 @ 3:24AM|#
Clearly the Mexicans don't want Trump spending his money in
their country, and he should comply with their wishes. I'm sure
there are plenty of other third-world countries that would be only
too happy to mind their manners and host this multi-million dollar
event next year.
-jcr
eugene|5.31.07 @ 3:59AM|#
Jay Santos,
Stop being a jackass - you know what Thoreau was talking about. Oh
you didn't? Well, let me clue you in: he was talking about the
hundreds of people that die of dehydration every year crossing the
border. Yes, even Mexicans can die of dehydration; who'd a thunk
it!
|5.31.07 @ 7:38AM|#
As a Chicano (with all the extra "credibility" that gives me on this issue,) I call bullshit on any "grievance" that Mexicans dare nurse against the United States that date prior to 1950. There's no reason to encourage such immaturity.
edna|5.31.07 @ 8:11AM|#
they're just upset because, unlike miss mexico, miss usa doesn't have a moustache. and she's not going to pack on an extra 80 pounds the moment a wedding ring is slipped on her finger. 20 maybe.
Fluffy|5.31.07 @ 8:50AM|#
To Michelle Malkin, getting booed at a beauty pageant is an
injustice that gives you a grievance.
But getting imprisoned for years on the basis of your national
ancestry is not an injustice at all, because you should just
realize that it was the right thing to do.
Yeah, OK, Michelle.
|5.31.07 @ 9:05AM|#
Finkelstein,
Took the words out of my mouth. What's more retarded than Michelle
Malkin making a big deal about this? How about Mexicans thinking
that Miss USA has anything to do with immigration policy.
|5.31.07 @ 9:14AM|#
Newsflash: People who attend beauty pageants are idiots and Michelle Malkin is an idiot. Yawn...
thoreau|5.31.07 @ 9:15AM|#
Jay Santos-
I didn't write "Risking dehydration mowing lawns." I wrote "Risking
dehydration to mow lawns." I was referring to the
dangerous trip through the Arizona desert that most illegal
immigrants have to make in order to come here and find work.
|5.31.07 @ 9:27AM|#
"I wouldn't have been so polite." - Michelle Malkin
Ladies and Gentlemen, the Least Necessary Verbiage Contest is no
longer taking entries.
|5.31.07 @ 9:33AM|#
Did the dude who referred to Mexicans as "beaners who are too stupid and lazy to become wetbacks" just call someone a racist?
VM|5.31.07 @ 10:02AM|#
joe | May 31, 2007, 9:27am | #
"I wouldn't have been so polite." - Michelle Malkin
Ladies and Gentlemen, the Least Necessary Verbiage Contest is no
longer taking entries.
snicker! full marks! joe wins the golden merkin for this thread! He
can collect his prize on the (Brazilian) landing strip.
|5.31.07 @ 10:17AM|#
Mexicans are generally insecure assholes when it comes to the
U.S. Go to any social event with a lot of Mexican immigrants and
the conversation will invariably go to how much they all hate the
U.S. and how much better Mexico is. Of course they are all in the
U.S. and wouldn't give up their greencards at gunpoint, but hey, it
still the big evil Yankee.
Whether it be this non-sense or yelling "Osama" at soccer games,
this is all about Mexico Mexicans and their failures and nothing
about the U.S. When they say "I hate the U.S." what they are really
saying is "I hate myself and my country and don't understand why
the U.S. is such a better place and so much more successful."
|5.31.07 @ 10:54AM|#
One question. Americans cannot own land in Mexico or have any hope of obtaining citizenship there. At best they can come as "guest workers" or part time retirees. Mexico has much stricter immigration laws than the U.S.. Since the reasonoids seem to think it was okay for the Mexicans to boo this woman over U.S. policy, I suppose they think it is okay for Americans to do the same to the Ms. Mexico and also to cheer wildly if Mexico is ever the victim of a terrorist attack and laud the name of the perpetuator of that attack at sporting events? If not why not?
thoreau|5.31.07 @ 10:58AM|#
John, there's a big difference between thinking that what the
audience members did was perfectly fine behavior and thinking that
a beauty pageant isn't worth giving one tenth of one shit
over.
There's also a big difference between thinking that what the
audience did was perfectly fine, and extrapolating from that
audience to people desperately trying to leave the country that the
audience comes from.
|5.31.07 @ 11:07AM|#
The real question is, when is MeMe Roth going to appear on Fox,
explaining that it's perfectly normal for 80lbs. women to fall down
out of top heaviness or lightheadedness or whatever and that the
fat Mexican bourgeoisie simply hates her for her thinness?
I'm trying to find a way to tie immigration and farm subsidies into
this, but not succeeding.
|5.31.07 @ 11:13AM|#
I don't know about y'all, but I like Mr. Santos here. Breath of fresh air. Or foul air. Either way, he's entertaining.
|5.31.07 @ 11:18AM|#
I can barely imagine the PC convulsions that would occor if
there was any booing of a Mexican for speaking Spanish on a USA
stage of any kind at any time.
It'd probably be declared a hate crime and the perpetrators sent
off to rehab, if not prison.
|5.31.07 @ 11:24AM|#
" Americans cannot own land in Mexico or have any hope of
obtaining citizenship there."
What? You looking for fairness, or reprococity, or even just a bit
of common sense? Better luck waiting for the Easter Bunny.
I just wish we could import some of the border guards that Mexico
uses to guard IT'S southern border. To, you know, do the job that
Bush doesn't want to do - ACTUALLY GUARD THE BORDER!!!!!!
|5.31.07 @ 11:29AM|#
But Thoreau it is more than just a beauty pagent. If you don't
know that Mexicans both here and in Mexico are often very
anti-American, you haven't been around too many Mexicans. The
inferiority complex Mexicans have with America is no small thing.
Further, if it had been Americans booing the Ms. Mexico, my guess
is that many people who are now saying "it is not worth giving a
shit" would be up in arms. In addition to being hypocritical, that
double standard shows how much Americans really do look down on
Mexicans. It is as if Mexicans are just spoiled children not to be
held to the same standard as real adults.
Also, don't give me the "desparate to get out of their country" BS.
Mexico is not Somalia. They are desparate to come to the U.S. and
get U.S. wages and U.S. social servicess. The influx of migration
is about the attraction of this country more than the desparation
of Mexico. If they all had to go back home and couldn't come to the
U.S. anymore, they wouldn't starve or get sent to gulag. Moreover,
they might even bother to fix their country a little bit. You never
know.
thoreau|5.31.07 @ 11:36AM|#
Also, don't give me the "desparate to get out of their
country" BS.
I dunno, John. I mean, I put a lot of effort into hunting for a
faculty job, but I didn't pay somebody to help me navigate a
potentially deadly landscape just so I could teach physics.
I'd say that "desperate" is a pretty good description.
|5.31.07 @ 11:40AM|#
"If they all had to go back home and couldn't come to the U.S.
anymore, they wouldn't starve or get sent to gulag. Moreover, they
might even bother to fix their country a little bit. You never
know."
Smells like the dreaded "personal responsibility" meme - and on a
national level no less! Fix their own country? You must be mad! The
USA owes them a whole new country. In fact we would just switch
countries with them if we nice.
|5.31.07 @ 11:53AM|#
My only point Thoreau is that denying Mexicans entry into this country is not the same as denying real refugees from places like Somalia or Nazi Germany entry. Mexican immigration is not life or death it is strictly a cash money issue on both sides of the border.
thoreau|5.31.07 @ 11:58AM|#
John, I wasn't trying to argue the general immigration issue
here. I was trying to point out that it's a bad idea to extrapolate
from a beauty pageant audience over there to people seeking work
over here.
And I stand by the adjective "desperate" for people who will take
great risks for low pay. And I think their desperation might be a
telling indicator of the difference between them and the people who
bought tickets to a beauty pageant.
Indeed, if the people booing were indeed motivated by immigration
policy, aren't they basically saying "Please, take them off our
hands!"? Which would be another indicator of the differences
between the people who bought tickets to a beauty pageant and the
people taking great risks for low-paying jobs.
There may be good arguments against letting the risk-takers come
here in large numbers to work those jobs, or there may not be. In
either case, they are quite distinct from the people at the beauty
pageant.
|5.31.07 @ 12:05PM|#
"In either case, they are quite distinct from the people at the
beauty pageant."
Yeah, "they" are in the USA carrying Mexican flags as they march to
demand amnesty for their crimes.
|5.31.07 @ 12:25PM|#
...to the dangerous trip through the Arizona desert that
most illegal immigrants...
Currently, out of 1 to 3 million crossing each year, about about
500 die (includes car accidents, murder by 'coyotes,' etc), for a
death rate of 1 per 2,000 to 6,000, probably the latter. The US
risk of dying in a car accident is 1 in 7,700 people per year for
the total population (hazmat.dot.gov); therefore crossing the
desert is not significantly more dangerous than a year's worth of
typical US car travel, and a LOT less dangerous than driving a taxi
for a year.
...have to make in order to come here and find work.
"Choose to make" - because it's actually not very dangerous.
I'm trying to find a way to tie immigration and farm subsidies
into this, but not succeeding.
T. Sowell ties illegal immigration to farm subsidies, but doesn't
tie either to the beauty pagent, as far as I've heard.
Whether it be this non-sense or yelling "Osama" at soccer
games, this is all about Mexico Mexicans[?] and their failures and
nothing about the U.S.
"The soccer match between Mexico and Portugal will determine once
and for all, which nation is the greatest on Earth." - The
Simpsons
|5.31.07 @ 12:26PM|#
Ken K-
You're right, we could just switch countries. In 20 years, everyone
would be fighting to get south or the border while the USA crumbled
under corruption. The best part is, everybody knows it's
true.
Or we could look at South Africa vs the rest of Africa, Rhodesia
before and after 1980, North Korea vs South Korea, etc, to figure
out that maybe it's not about what piece of dirt you're standing
on. I know Jared Diamond isn't comfortable with that idea, but it's
true.
|5.31.07 @ 12:33PM|#
Can't you just imagine? "Gringo Mexico has an unfair advantage. Up here in El Norte Aztlan, we have to deal with all sorts of harsh weather and a shorter growing season, while they live in a lush warm tropical paradise. No wonder we are poor and they are rich"
|5.31.07 @ 12:51PM|#
Dave: You're right. It's not race, though, it's socialism and envy. Put the envious in charge and they will put socialists in power; Put socialists in power and they will be corrupt; Have a corrupt country and it becomes an impoverished shithole.
DA|5.31.07 @ 1:37PM|#
Yes, a beauty pagaent is, in itself, basically a
non-event.
But imagine a Mexican performer getting booed off the stage in
Tennessee with a raucous audience chanting "USA! USA!" The national
and international media would go into convulsions pouncing on the
bigoted, jingoistic Yanks.
thoreau|5.31.07 @ 1:45PM|#
But imagine a Mexican performer getting booed off the stage
in Tennessee with a raucous audience chanting "USA! USA!" The
national and international media would go into convulsions pouncing
on the bigoted, jingoistic Yanks.
Are you trying to use that hypothetical to argue that it's "fair"
to extrapolate from a beauty pageant audience to a larger
population?
You might wanna rethink your hypothetical.
DA|5.31.07 @ 2:11PM|#
Who's the "larger population"?
The hypothetical assumes: A similar sized beauty pagaent in
Tennessee, a similar sized audience, a similar boorish reaction,
and the same media (with the hypothesis being, would the media
coverage and reaction be different).
Where's the "extrapolation"?
|5.31.07 @ 2:16PM|#
Now, now. The important thing in all this is not international relations or "evening the score." The important thing is that someone needs to comfort Miss USA and make her feel better. Or at least help get her mind off this. I volunteer for this duty. Bonus: While dressed as a pirate.
DA|5.31.07 @ 2:19PM|#
A bit of a case in point...
"And who can blame them for booing a person who didn't bother to
speak the language of the nation she was visiting?" - Zay Smith,
Chicago Sun-Times columnist.
So, it would a-okay with Zay if an American audience booed and
heckled a Chinese Oscar winner off the stage because he gave his
short thank-you speech in Chinese?
Of course not. Different rules.
thoreau|5.31.07 @ 2:19PM|#
Stevo Darkly wins at the internet yet again, for finding a way to make this thread fun!
D.A. Ridgely|5.31.07 @ 2:46PM|#
It's all a terrible misunderstanding. If only someone had warned her not to use ping pong balls or a donkey for the talent portion...
|5.31.07 @ 6:01PM|#
JB-
I didn't imply that race was a factor. That's one reason why I
think North and South Korea are such great examples. Same history,
language, race, geography, same everything, except
politics/economics.
|5.31.07 @ 9:39PM|#
Yeah, thoretical physic, they get dehydrated xing the border to
cut lawns. I get it. You are still a racist egghead thinking they
come for low paying jobs. If you ever left the shinning city on the
hill, you might notice how Mexicans are buying houses and starting
businesses.
What attracts the little brown people that you like to pat on the
head is the relatively libertarian environment of the USA. The pigs
they left behind are just like the lazy, inbred, stupid euro-trash
fascists that did not have the balls to leave their feudal lords
over in GB, Fr, Ger, etc.
Race is a factor. Mexico is run primarily by the descendants of the
last caliphite. Senior Fox looks like a cousin of Sadaam Housein.
Thank god they are catholics, otherwise, they would be suicide
bombers instead of whining bitches who boo beauty queens and
pretend to be white.
|5.31.07 @ 9:43PM|#
Americans cannot own land in Mexico or have any hope of
obtaining citizenship there.
Don't want to get too serious on this rollicking good time thread,
but that's wrong. US citizens can own property in Mexico except
within a specified zone (I think it's 3 miles) along the coast
line. In fact, there are communities springing up of US expats
building houses and living there. (One of them is Miguel de
Allende, in the mountains about a hundred miles north of Mexico
City, which advertises homesites on the Internet.)
And, even though I've never watched a beauty pagent in my life, in
the clips I saw of Miss USA's fall (and quick recovery) I thought
she showed a lot of class.
thoreau|5.31.07 @ 10:12PM|#
Jay, I apologize for my comment about low paying jobs. I'm well
aware that not all (quite possibly not even most) Mexican
immigrants are working low-paying jobs. But since this thread
seemed to be attracting people who are all pissed off over illegal
immigrants, and since illegal immigrants are more likely to work
low-paying jobs (since their employment opportunities are
restricted by senseless laws), I focused on that category. I was
trying to suggest that the people getting pissed off in this thread
shouldn't generalize from the jeering crowd in Mexico City to the
immigrants (illegal or otherwise) that they [certain Hit and Run
posters] generally complain about.
Also, I'm well aware that most immigrants are attracted to our
comparatively free market and innovation-friendly atmosphere. I
have frequently made these points in other threads. Thank you for
stating those points so well in this thread.
|6.4.07 @ 2:24PM|#
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what it takes to be a member of my team. That fiery hot Latin
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in my textile facilities for a sharp young man eager to improve
himself! And not just in the groundskeeping division -- we have
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help filling out our application, then Maria (one of my personal
assistants) will be happy to assist you.
Bright and early, old bean! Bright and early!
Those aren't castanets you hear, lad -- this is the sound of
opportunity knocking!!!
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