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How China Watches the Drug Watchers
This AP story makes me curious what the Chinese government will do to the guy who let bad pet food hit the shelves:
China's former top drug regulator was sentenced to death Tuesday in an unusually harsh punishment for taking bribes to approve substandard medicines, including an antibiotic blamed for at least 10 deaths.
The sentence was levied by "Beijing's No. 1 Intermediate People's Court," which really makes you wonder how tough the advanced people's court can be.
That Crazee Statist Dave W.|5.29.07 @ 9:32AM|#
back with another communistical idea thought up just to drive
those Reasonheds nutz:
I propose that toothpaste, and other food and personal care
products, be required by the government to be prominently labeled
with the nation of origin.
Russell|5.29.07 @ 9:34AM|#
"Advanced" ?
If continuity of Marxspeak in the PRC is any guide , you don't want
to know.
In the Soviet Union , hydrogen bombs were produced by The Ministry
Of Medium Machinery
Timothy|5.29.07 @ 9:35AM|#
Advanced People's Court uses the crypt-keeper-like visage of Judge Wapner, it is truly a nightmare to behold.
That Crazee Statist Dave W.|5.29.07 @ 9:49AM|#
I had wanted to link to a previous post here about a proposal I
made to label products according to how humane the prevailing
employment standards are where the product is made. That proposal
would prevent China from imposing the death penalty for crimes of
commerce. I mean, this guy kind of deserves it, but there are less
sympathetic employment related death penalty cases in China, and we
consumers probably wouldn't put up with it if we were forced to
think about that on a regular basis.
Sadly, it looks like that previous post may have been wiped by Mr.
Radley Balko as part of his punishment for me.
LarryA|5.29.07 @ 9:57AM|#
I propose that toothpaste, and other food and personal care
products, be required by the government to be prominently labeled
with the nation of origin.
Which one? You could have a different country of origin for each
ingredient, and another for each country where each ingredient was
refined/distilled/purified/etc., and another where the ingredients
were combined or the product was modified.
A five quart package of toothpaste 90% covered by required
labels?
Jennifer|5.29.07 @ 10:01AM|#
Sadly, it looks like that previous post may have been wiped
by Mr. Radley Balko as part of his punishment for me.
You mean, "as part of his reward for me."
|5.29.07 @ 10:02AM|#
"Beijing's No. 1 Intermediate People's Court,"
Sounds like a bad Asian reality show. There is something utterly
comical about the communist use of "People's" this or that. Granted
the term is associated with some really dark things. But I can't
help associate it with that scene "Volunteers" where John Candy,
who had been brainwashed by the communists, talks about driving the
"people's truck" spreading the word until they run out of the
"people's gas".
|5.29.07 @ 10:04AM|#
A five quart package of toothpaste 90% covered by required
labels?
That people won't bother to read anyway.
Good for the Chinese. Maybe the U.S. should start executing
bureaucrats and officials who abuse their authority. At least it
would make them think twice.
From Wikipedia|5.29.07 @ 10:05AM|#
A five quart package of toothpaste 90% covered by required
labels?
1. I wouldn't have a problem with that. It would be more useful to
me than the current labelling is.
2. There would have to be some common sense rules about how far
back in the production chain you go. These common sense rules
should probably not be drafted by a corporatarian. There would even
be commonsense rules about how far forward you go. For example, I
don't particularly care where the toothpaste went after the tube
was safety sealed.
3. I doubt the list would ever be longer than the ingredients list,
which wouldn't mean 90% of the package is taken up with labeling
anyway.
4. The nations could be color coded corresponding to how bad they
whip the employees. Blood red would be reserved for the cruelest
nations.
Phil Collins|5.29.07 @ 10:07AM|#
You mean, "as part of his reward for me."
You go back and read old thds?! I thought I was the only one with
that kind institutional memory facility 'round here.
Dave W.|5.29.07 @ 10:14AM|#
That people won't bother to read anyway.
they would sometimes:
http://news.google.ca/news?hl=en&ned=ca&ie=UTF-8&ncl=1116751621
thoreau|5.29.07 @ 10:30AM|#
Beijing's No. 1 Intermediate People's Court
The Chinese aren't very good at naming their institutions.
I have a friend who got his Masters from Beijing Normal University.
It's apparently a pretty good school, even if not quite as good as
Peking University [I don't why some school names use "Peking" and
others "Beijing"] and Tsinghua University. So a more accurate name
would be "Beijing Above Average University."
|5.29.07 @ 10:43AM|#
ok, who's the psychic???
"Nicaraguan police seized 6,000 tubes of a Chinese-made toothpaste
suspected of containing a chemical that killed at least 51 people
in nearby Panama last year."
(http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-nicaragua-tainted-toothpaste,1,7946449.story?coll=chi-news-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true)
Dave W.|5.29.07 @ 10:44AM|#
Good for the Chinese. Maybe the U.S. should start executing
bureaucrats and officials who abuse their authority. At least it
would make them think twice.
And what punishment for the people who gave him the bribes?
|5.29.07 @ 10:45AM|#
"And what punishment for the people who gave him the
bribes?"
They get little Chinese flags because, as we all know, if you're
not cheatin', you're not tryin'.
rhywun|5.29.07 @ 10:51AM|#
I don't why some school names use "Peking" and others
"Beijing"
Maybe the latter was established before the rise of Pinyin (1950s),
and before "Peking" was replaced with "Beijing". (You do know that
Normal schools are teaching colleges, right?)
makes me curious what the Chinese government will do to the guy
who let bad pet food hit the shelves
If they can narrow the blame down to one or two people, that person
or persons will likely die. Or "disappear".
thoreau|5.29.07 @ 10:53AM|#
(You do know that Normal schools are teaching colleges,
right?)
Didn't know that. Thanks.
rhywun|5.29.07 @ 10:58AM|#
Yeah, I think the SUNY colleges here in New York were all originally "Normal" schools in the 1800s. Strange little factoids like that stick in my head.
|5.29.07 @ 11:00AM|#
China's executing regulators?
Although I would prefer life-in-prison, it must be said that
perhaps China's judicial system is more just than ours.
Dave W.|5.29.07 @ 11:03AM|#
If they can narrow the blame down to one or two people, that
person or persons will likely die. Or "disappear".
Or bribe the appropriate official so that somebody else gets blamed
and executed.
Hug a lawyer today!
|5.29.07 @ 11:23AM|#
Which one? You could have a different country of origin for
each ingredient, and another for each country where each ingredient
was refined/distilled/purified/etc., and another where the
ingredients were combined or the product was modified.
A five quart package of toothpaste 90% covered by required
labels?
Yeah, and then imagine this kind of law in Canada, where all that
information would have to be written in English and French!
But, as a side note on low-quality Chinese medicinal products. Many
years ago I purchase a package of cold medicine at a dollar store
in the U.S., as a joke. The package was in english, but it had no
safety information, no instructions for use, no FDA numbers,
nothing except a big logo and label on both sides of the box, and a
small label "made in China".
I kept it for a long time to show to people as a joke. But one day
when I had a very bad cold, and didn't have any other medicine and
was so sick I didn't feel like leaving the house, I took a couple
tablets. My cold was cured within 2 hours. No joke! It was a
miracle tonic!
I have a feeling that medicines can be made a lot more effective,
if you don't have to worry about random people suffering liver
failure and dying and stuff. I suppose if the medicine had made me
sick, I might be pissed off, but people need to know there *IS* a
trade-off. Making drugs safer definitly makes a lot of drugs less
effective. While I suppose I want my cold medicine to err on the
safe side, if I was a cancer patient or AIDS patent, I want the
super powerful Chinese pills.
|5.29.07 @ 11:27AM|#
The sentence was levied by "Beijing's No. 1 Intermediate
People's Court," which really makes you wonder how tough the
advanced people's court can be.
The Remedial People's Court in China is the most lenient -- they
are still learning how to read, so they can't technically sentence
anyone. The sentences they administer are just used to practice
their penmanship and spelling and aren't legally enforced.
A five quart package of toothpaste 90% covered by required
labels?
Five quarts? Wow...it sounds like your household goes through a lot
of toothpaste. Good for you and your sparkly, white teeth.
I didn't even know that they sold toothpaste in quantities that
large.
|5.29.07 @ 11:29AM|#
And what punishment for the people who gave him the
bribes?
They are forced to listen to Farces Wanna Mo's Greatest
Hits album on an endless loop. Truly a fate worse than
death.
Dave W.|5.29.07 @ 11:29AM|#
AIDS patent
Actually in the case of AIDS drugs they basically waived the safety
showing because of the deadliness of AIDS. It is now kind of
recognized that first generation AIDS drugs ended up doing a lot
more harm than good as a result.
After about 10 years of killing people with AIDS drugs, they
supposedly improved the drugs to the point where they do more good
than harm. However, the proof of this, as far as I can tell from
the wikipedia and the references cited therein, is based on
computer models, rather than actually comparing the new drugs with
a placebo in HIV+ people.
Dave W.|5.29.07 @ 11:33AM|#
Truly a fate worse than death.
Linkee for the n00bs:
http://www.farceswannamo.com/1260/4692.html
M|5.29.07 @ 12:35PM|#
I propose that toothpaste, and other food and personal care
products, be required by the government to be prominently labeled
with the nation of origin.
Ivory Coast gets an unfair advantage for marketing penumbra.
|5.29.07 @ 1:39PM|#
rather than actually comparing the new drugs with a placebo
in HIV+ people.
Probably because the political climate around AIDS is so inflamed
that no one would dare run a proper double blind study, under which
half the patients would get no real treatment at all.
Dave W.|5.29.07 @ 2:00PM|#
Probably because the political climate around AIDS is so
inflamed that no one would dare run a proper double blind study,
under which half the patients would get no real treatment at
all.
1. Would have been preferable to killing all those people with bad
drugs, which is what happened '87-'97.
2. the AZT placebo study was interesting and crooked. At four
months, the AZT taker group had a much better survival rate
(although this may have been due more to the extensive transfusions
they required from the AZT than from the AZT itself) than the
placebo taker group. So they started giving AZT to the placebo
taker group. By 21 months the placebo taker group had accumulated
the better survival rate(!!!). then they stopped tracking the
patients (!!!). But the study was pretty much ruined by giving the
placebo takers AZT. And AZT was on the market and killing poor
suckers like Ryan White by this time. Your tax dollars at
work.
3. I was just learning T. this stuf the other week at the
highclearing. T. couldn't believe it!
Dave W.|5.29.07 @ 2:02PM|#
By 21 months the placebo taker group had accumulated the
better survival rate(!!!).
Translation: the less AZT you had taken, the less likely you were
to get AIDS and die.
Not sure if that part was clear.
|5.29.07 @ 2:03PM|#
It is my understanding that this is the guy who let bad pet food hit the shelves (or, at least, the guy who's being blamed for it).
thoreau|5.29.07 @ 2:12PM|#
The Remedial People's Court in China is the most lenient --
they are still learning how to read, so they can't technically
sentence anyone. The sentences they administer are just used to
practice their penmanship and spelling and aren't legally
enforced.
Smacky wins the thread.
Her reward is a custom filter installation, to make the rest of the
thread (i.e. the part that doesn't involve her winning post) more
enjoyable.
Dave W.|5.29.07 @ 2:13PM|#
It is funny to see so much condemnation of this convicted
official at a website that also seems to think the FDA is
unnecessary and should not exist. I don't really think the
indignation squares well with articles like this:
http://www.reason.com/news/show/120370.html
|5.29.07 @ 2:18PM|#
An op-ed article in today's L.A. Times addresses food
ingredients from around the world, including Chinese petroleum in
Twinkies.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-0e-ettlinger29may29,1,1761762.story
rhywun|5.29.07 @ 2:47PM|#
*thinks of SUNY Siberia (Potsdam). shudders.*
I had one of the best times of my childhood there. When I was 12 my
mom let me visit my big brother in college for a few days during
Thanksgiving break, by myself. That was so much fun. Can't take a
little snow and ice? Wah!
rhywun|5.29.07 @ 2:52PM|#
Making drugs safer definitly makes a lot of drugs less
effective.
Yeah, no kidding. I used to use TrimSpa until that bogus ephedrine
scare. Now, the product doesn't work any more.
|5.29.07 @ 2:53PM|#
"It is funny to see so much condemnation of this convicted
official at a website that also seems to think the FDA is
unnecessary and should not exist."
Perhaps I'm missing something, but how does criticizing giving this
guy the death penalty clash with the "less regulation, please"
story on the FDA? Obviously there is a bit of a black eye for
pro-regulation folks because this story highlights how corrupt the
protectors can be.
Still, I think it is OK to be against both heightened gov't
regulation and public crucifixions.
Dave W.|5.29.07 @ 3:07PM|#
Perhaps I'm missing something, but how does criticizing
giving this guy the death penalty clash with the "less regulation,
please" story on the FDA?
I am talking about the people here saying that this guy should get
the death penalty, or at least saying that this isn't a big human
rights problem in the grand scheme of things.*
I mean, I think this isn't a big human rights violation in the
scheme of things, but i am kind of wishy-washy on FDA issues for a
Hit'n'Runner.
FOOTNOTE:
* You might think this is bad, but Hugo Chavez shut down a whole tv
station! I kid you not! the outrage!/sarc
|5.29.07 @ 3:53PM|#
That Crazee Statist Dave W.
Speaking of truth in labeling...way to lead by example!
|5.29.07 @ 9:57PM|#
om and talk back to her like that, but since you set the table every night and do your homework and sent your aunt a birthday card, what the heck! You're a good kid. Your sins are forgiven automatically. No need for you to do any penance.糖尿病足 低血糖 胰岛素 血糖仪 胰岛素泵
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