Jacob Sullum | May 16, 2007
Yesterday the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit ruled that Roommate.com is not immune from housing discrimination claims based on preferences expressed by people who advertise on the site. Under federal law, a provider of "an interactive computer service" is not liable for material posted by customers, unless it participates in creating the material. A three-judge panel ruled that Roommate.com left itself open to liability by providing online forms that include options for prohibited preferences such as gender and sexual orientation. The case now goes back to the trial court, which will determine whether the service violated the Fair Housing Act.
Beyond the question of vicarious liability, as Eugene Volokh noted in a post Brian Doherty cited yesterday, is the stupidity of allowing people seeking roommates to discriminate but prohibiting them from stating their preferences. The 9th Circuit ruling is here. Katherine Mangu-Ward's reason article on the case is here.
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the stupidity of allowing people seeking roommates to
discriminate but prohibiting them from stating their
preferences
Reminds me of that scene in Monty Python's Meaning of Life where
the cleaning woman says, "at least I don't work for Jews" (which
cracked this Yid up), and then the waiter gets right up to the
camera so you couldn't see the cleaning woman anymore and say, what
does he say? Something like, "No, no, no racism here, no, no racism
here!"
That's it. I'm taking my corn squeezings intravenously starting
now.
You got me doc, do you want to shoot me now, or wait till you get
home?
"left itself open to liability by providing online forms that
include options for prohibited preferences such as gender and
sexual orientation"
So, if they leave off check boxes and radio buttons that indicate
gender/sexual orientation/religion/etc preferences and just leave a
big ol' box for free form comments, would that satisfy the
prohibition against "creating the material" by making it "material
posted by the customer"? That way, members looking for roommates
could simple use a "search" feature within roommates.com to find
text-matches of the preferences?
I am curious, yellow.
CB
I was just going to ask the question that CB asked. If the application of the law hinges on free response vs. multiple choice, that seems a bit silly.
I haven't seen roommate.com's website, but how does
"preferences" equate to "discrimination" in this case?
I mean, (if I were using that service and not already engaged, as I
am now) I would prefer a hot-looking girl aged 24-30 with no
boyfriend. If they had a check box for that preference I would
click it in a heartbeat, but that doesn't mean I would not consider
any other applicants.
*bigot filling out form on Roommate.com looking for a
roommate"
la la la
Let's see... No smoking, check, no pets, check, no assault weapons
convictions, check... oh look! Since Roommate.com planted the idea
in my head that maybe I wouldn't want a gay person as my roommate,
I will check this box indicating that I would prefer that he not
be. Otherwise, however, I would have been completely and totally
open to the idea.
to take jimmydageek's comment one step further, how much longer
until it's illegal to discriminate on date search websites like
match.com?
no fatties = jailtime?
at least human reproduction will finally meet one of the
assumptions of the Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium model, that we have
random mating rather than assortative mating, and we'll be able to
test the model's predictions.
Will a box labeled "I solemnly affirm that I want/don't want a Cretan room-mate" be prohibited?
the stupidity of allowing people seeking roommates to
discriminate but prohibiting them from stating their
preferences
That which is not allowed is prohibited. [And they thought it was
only satire]
The "nutty Ninth" strikes again.
As much as I agree with that sentiment, you have to remember that
Congress gives them such rich material to work with.
CB, thoreau:
Yeah, that's pretty much what it looks like. If the customer posts
it without guidance, the host isn't liable. Though I'd think this
might be vulnerable to some sort of First Amendment challenge (free
speech and, if it were read as broadly, freedom of
association).
fyodor, it went something like:
The woman was cleaning puke and guts off the floor and said ~"life
is like a game. Sometimes win and sometimes you lose, but at least
I don't work for Jews."
Then the waiter dumped the obese exploding man's puke bucket on her
head while he apologized to the camera.
CB, Thoreau, Shelby,
From what I know of the cognitive science behind user interface
design, I'm going to go with the court ruling on this. When the
application or website's designer chose to put in the radio buttons
or checkboxes or other interface widget, they were imposing their
cognitive map and constraining all of their users to make choices
within the designer's top-down imposed workflow. Now, I'm sure that
Roomate.com's software engineers researched and considered the task
that their users would set out to perform, and that includes
filtering out prospective roomates, but they absolutely injected
their own assumptions and models into all user tasks.
I have a tangental citation. It's not directly pertinent to this
case, but the application design does drive actual user use:
http://www.useit.com/papers/noncommand.html
Communications of the ACM 36, 4 (April 1993), 83-99
Beyond that, Jacob might say "the stupidity of allowing people
seeking roommates to discriminate but prohibiting them from stating
their preferences" but that sounds a lot more like a working
definition of a polite society than that old Heinlein chestnut.
In such an intimate personal decision such as who we would prefer to live with under the same roof this is stupid. The law should not apply to this and I thought if you were only dealing with a couple "units" it didn't.
Disclaimer: Havent' been to the website. Don't need a roommate.
Got a wife.
If I ran roommates.com, I would have a series of lines with 4 radio
buttons on each line, followed by a text box. The radio buttons
would be "Must Have", "Prefer", "Prefer Not" and "Reject" and the
applicant-seeking-roommate would select the desired level of
interest then fill in the text box with "Jewish" or "Smoker" or
"Drinker" or "Catholic" or "Muslim" or "Gay" or whatever. Then the
text in the box becomes member posted material and is free from
restriction. An applicant-looking-to-be-a-roommate would do the
same thing, and the website would simply match characteristics.
Maybe a spell check on the text box would be provided, to make sure
"homosexual" and "homasexule" get appropriately matched.
I don't know. I'm just sayin'.
CB
This isn't as nutty is portrayed. It's not that it's ok for
individuals to discriminate in their rental agreements, it's
whether or not Roommate.com is an accomplice by making it
easier.
Given that race is a protected classification, it's not hard to
imagine that it's illegal for Roommate.com to categorize its
listings by race. Whether or not it's legal for individuals to make
such decisions.
The transparent ability for a hiring manager to avoid certain
classes of people does not make it legal for him to specify said
preferences in a job posting.
keith,
A "polite society" can include statements like "I don't want kids
living in my apartment" and "I'd prefer to share my kitchen with
someone who shares my dietary strictures".
Sean,
The Fair Housing Act allows someone renting out a part of their own
residence to discriminate, but they still can't advertise their
preferences.
bubba,
You can't be an "accomplice" to a legal act. But, the users of
Roommates.com are breaking the law by advertising preferences.
Normally an online service provider isn't liable for the actions of
its users. But, Roommates.com required its users to express certain
preferences.
It is illegal for a hiring manager to discriminate on the basis of
(e.g.) race. It's just harder to prove without advertising.
The Fair Housing Act allows someone renting out a part of
their own residence to discriminate, but they still can't advertise
their preferences.
Thus the Ninth isn't so nutty - but Congress???
So, I have a right to free association, and I have a right to free
speech, but I don't have the right to advertise my
preferences.
The only reason to condemn the 9th is that they didn't find this
beast unconstitutional.
Person seeks person to share one room, one bed, one bath
apartment. Race, religion, creed, color, national origin,
gender/sexual preference, or disability (including bedwetting,
serious mental illness, alcoholism) doesn't matter. Dogs, cats,
birds, snakes, and children (as many as you have) are OK. I trust
it doesn't matter to you.
Libertarians need not apply!
Many local governments actually MANDATE housing discrimination, but I guess the discrimination basis ( things like familial status, student status,etc)tey use aren't protected classes.
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