Jacob Sullum | March 13, 2007
There seems to be wide agreement in Congress that the disparity in sentencing between smokable and snortable cocaine, because of which five grams of crack gets you the same mandatory five-year sentence as 500 grams of powder, is unjust, makes no pharmacological sense, and leads to racially skewed punishment. Even hard-line drug warriors such as Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) are having second thoughts:
Congress thought by having very harsh sentences, it would deter the spread of crack into the inner cities and around the country. The truth is, it didn't stop it. It spread very rapidly. Now we need to ask ourselves, what is the right sentence for this bad drug. I think it's time to adjust. I think it's past time to do this.
But how to fix the problem? Congress could simply eliminate the sentencing disparity by telling federal courts to treat crack the same way they treat cocaine powder—the solution recommended by the U.S. Sentencing Commission. But that would be too easy; more to the point, it would make legislators look too easy on crime. So Sessions has introduced a bill that would reduce the disparity without eliminating it and do so partly by increasing the penalties for cocaine powder offenses. How is it that federal penalties for cocaine possession are suddenly too lenient?
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Ten years ago when I took Criminal Law it was clear to me that
any move to reduce the disparity in sentencing guidelines would
come in part from increasing the powder sentences. Alas, this is
not because I'm so prescient, but because it was so obvious that's
what would happen. No surprise, either, that this comes from a tool
like Sessions.
Maybe I'm just grumpy, though.
Obviously, you aren't thinking of the children.
With that out of the way, the proposal does offer a lesser sentence
for crack than currently exists. It could be that with that
provision a compromise bill lowering crack sentences but keeping
cocaine sentences at the present rate might be passed.
And I might be living in dreamland.
A move to help the black folk out on the racist sentencing guidelines in a place where half his constituents are black. Sounds like good pandering to me.
So what is the sentencing disparity if I consume cocaine in the form of a sweet carbonated beverage?
"Obviously, you aren't thinking of the children."
Are you in favor of sluggish children or something?
I can't believe the sentencing guidelines got by the
Reagans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOsnlVEanxk
Heh, be careful when you criticize for not being consistent. The object of your criticism might just get consistent in the wrong direction.
the disparity in sentencing between smokable and snortable
cocaine,
Yea, let's just leave out the Honerable Representative Rangel, who
was for this disparity before he was against it. He had the most
air-time babble of any Congresscritter about how it was so needed
and blamed it on outsiders from the communities where it was being
abused.
Somehow, he is all against it now, after he convinced all it was a
problem!
Perhaps he will introduce another "slavery" bill to draft more
people to administer "treatment", or something.
"Someone didn't have in mind the etymology of pander"
WTF does the study of bugs have to do with anything?
We have thought of the chilren. We give them Adderall...an amphetamine just like the ones street pushers sell.
Typical D.C.
"We must do something about the disparity. This is something.
Therefore, we must do it."
We give them Adderall...an amphetamine just like the ones
street pushers sell
Will people stop with this Tom Cruise induced bullshit already?
Look at a PET scan. Yes Adderall is a stimulant in the same
chemical family as cocaine but equating the two is like saying "We
give our children mopeds... a vehicle just like the ones NASCAR
drivers use"
Because political opposition to drugs is a religion, The War on Drugs is a holy war. Therefore, talk of reduced punishment is heresy.
I didn't equate Adderall with cocaine. I equated it with
amphetamines. I didn't do that because of anything Tom Cruise has
said but because Adderall is, in fact, a pair of
amphetamines.
By the way, I've seen Nascar drivers walk away after flipping their
car several times in a fireball while moped accidents can be
fatal...especially when foolishly given to kids.
"We give our children mopeds... a vehicle just like the ones
NASCAR drivers use"
Where can ah git me onna 'em?
By the way, I've seen Nascar drivers walk away after flipping
their car several times in a fireball while moped accidents can be
fatal...especially when foolishly given to kids.
Oh, forget it.
Sessions is a former federal prosecutor, so what should we expect from him? Politically, it would be stupid of him to sponsor something that would reduce the penalty for crack. Can you imagine the TV ads against him? "Jeff Sessions made life easier for crack cocaine dealers by reducing the penalty for this drug that's destroying our cities and killing our children. Why does Jeff Sessions care more about cocaine dealers than about our children?" Doing the right thing and doing what's political acceptable aren't necessarily the same thing, even when you KNOW the right thing to do. :-(
In a state where a lot of white voters are cheesed off at republicans and the black vote is overwhelmingly democrat, a measure seen as compassionate to poor blacks could be political gold on election day for a republican.
Yes Adderall is a stimulant in the same chemical family as
cocaine but equating the two is like saying "We give our children
mopeds... a vehicle just like the ones NASCAR drivers
use"
Adderall isn't remotely in the same family as cocaine, which is a
tropane alkaloid. Adderall is a racemic mixture of two
dextroamphetamine salts and two racemic amphetamine salts intended
to give a more prolonged effect. Functionally, all amphetamines
work through the same pathway. Methamphetamine simply has a methyl
group attached to the amphetamine backbone. This makes it slightly
more fat soluble, and therefore it penetrates to the brain better,
but the biochemical effects are not dramatically different from the
drug that tens of thousands of kids take daily.
Many people seem to have the incorrect perception that some drugs
are "too potent," and this is why they have been made illegal. The
reality is that the subculture that surrounds use of a drug has a
lot more to do with its being banned than its potency, effects, or
even toxicity. Heroin, for example, is schedule one, but it's not a
very potenent narcotic compared to such drugs as etorphine, or
sufentanyl, which are not associated with any derided subculture.
Marijuana is a classic example - a drug with no known toxicity, no
capacity for overdose, and no withdrawl symptoms even after the
heaviest use, that is largely illegal because of the people who use
it.
" no withdrawl symptoms even after the heaviest use"
You ever been around one of those dopers when he suddenly couldn't
get his pot?
it is not pretty
So Sessions has introduced a bill that would reduce the
disparity without eliminating it and do so partly by increasing the
penalties for cocaine powder offenses.
He must be high.
"We believe the current federal sentencing policy and
guidelines for crack cocaine offenses are reasonable," Justice
spokesman Dean Boyd says.
Higher penalties for crack offenses reflect its greater harm, he
says, adding that crack traffickers are more likely to use weapons
and have more significant criminal histories than powder cocaine
dealers.
Someone tell Dean Boyd that circular reasoning is the crack of
logical fallacies.
We give them Adderall...an amphetamine just like the ones
street pushers sell.
Well good for them - the real problem highlighted in the sentence
above is not that we give kids drugs that "street pushers" sell,
it's that something as highly useful as amphetamines have been made
illegal (and hence the province of said street pushers) unless you
can convince a doctor to give you a prescription. Anyway, I doubt
many people buying the amphetamines in Adderall from some frat-boy
or high school skate-punk selling his ADHD script would really call
them "street pushers" in the usual sense of the word. More like
simple entrepreneurs taking advantage of the insane regulatory
environment surrounding a beneficial, even enjoyable,
chemical.
And just for the record, I'm not really taking a position on
whether it is a good thing or not to give that chemical to kids - I
don't really know. But the sentence seems to imply that it is a bad
thing because these are generally illegal drugs - but their
illegality does not demonstrate that at all.
And just for the record, I'm not really taking a position on
whether it is a good thing or not to give that chemical to kids - I
don't really know.
Stimulants do work as an ADHD therapy. That doesn't mean they
aren't overused. Schoolteachers will sometimes insist that kids be
given stimulants even when their parents object.
Many people seem to have the incorrect perception that some
drugs are "too potent," and this is why they have been made
illegal. The reality is that the subculture that surrounds
use of a drug has a lot more to do with its being banned than its
potency, effects, or even toxicity
You seem to know a ton about psychopharmicology, but the above
statements are, from what I've seen with my own eyes, just not
correct.
In the past, I've lived with crack users. and I've witnessed the
before and after (addiction). Crack is only slightly less
detrimental to a human being's actions than rabies is to a
dog's.
In the past, I've lived with other drug users. In the past, I've
used drugs (though not crack). From what I've seen, playing down
the effects of less-potent drugs vs. crack (and saying the only
important difference is in the subcultures) is like playing up the
similarities between checkers and Death Race 2000 (because they're
both games). There's just no comparison.
It's not a "subculture" that makes crack users such frequent
criminals. It's not race. It's the crack. It's the strangth and
cost of the addiction and the fact that no one who smokes crack
will ever be able to make enough money to pay for the habit through
employment, let alone pay for food and the habit through
emplyment.
Again, this is not because the kind of people who smoke crack have
low-paying jobs. People who smoke crack have low-paying jobs
because they cannot function at all for anything but very short
periods of time, high or not.
They commit violent and/or property crimes because these crimes can
be done quickly (see above about functionality) and for high enough
economic returns to balance the weekly ledger. And they do
commit violent and property crimes frequently. They are
ever-starving animals in permanent fight or flight mode.
And the armament of crack dealers? They arm themselves partly
because they never know when a crackhead may decide to attack them
and try to make off with the product.
A crackhouse would still be a crackhouse whether crack was legal or
not. Crack subculture does not produce a Lord of the Flies life.
Crack does.
Before anyone accuses me of ex-narcotic zealotry, I do think most
(if not all) drugs other than crack should be legal. Other
drugs won't substantially affect me or anyone else who doesn't wish
to be affected. And I can't stand people like Sessions telling me
I can't do something to myself, whether or not I
want to do that thing.
However,
in my experience,
if I read that the penalty for making crack out of cocaine and
selling it was the same as the penalty for weaponizing the
naturally-occurring anthrax in cow dung and selling it, I wouldn't
lose a night's sleep.
A crackhouse would still be a crackhouse whether crack was
legal or not.
If crack were legal there wouldn't be crackhouses. And if cocaine
were legal, crack would go the way of bathtub gin.
Sessions is merely employing Rule #1 for any congressperson -
A.B.C. Always be campaigning.
Legisltaion is both a byproduct of past and present campaigns and a
bulwark for future ones. The good of his constituents or of the
commonweal is rarely, if ever, the primary concern.
if I read that the penalty for making crack out of cocaine
and selling it was the same as the penalty for weaponizing the
naturally-occurring anthrax in cow dung and selling it, I wouldn't
lose a night's sleep.
Well, sure, because the only thing standing between now and the
complete elimination of crack is harsher penalties.
Guy Montag:
Re: Rangel. In which bizarro world is it better to stick to being
wrong than it is to admit being wrong and do the right thing? I
don't understand the foundation of your attacks anymore.
On the upside, after a few rich people getting hit with
crack-like sentencing for blow, you're going to get a whole bunch
of new, deep-pocketed anti-drug law warriors.
Aw, who am I kidding. No one will convict a rich person on a drug
charge. Nice thought though.
...and no withdrawl symptoms even after the heaviest
use...
That is just plain false, especially if smoked on a daily basis.
Maybe it is true for some, since drugs tend to affect people
differently.
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