CPAC III: Special Awkward Meetings Edition

David Weigel | March 2, 2007

Friday at the Conservative Political Action Conference was, for want of a better term, "Presidential Candidates Plus Ann Coulter Day." Frontrunner Rudy Giuliani decided to give an address, and the event's entire itinerary was shuffled to fit him in. The result: A compelling, rambling, philosophical speech about his battles in New York (cutting welfare, cutting taxes, etc) and how to end the war on terror. Everyone who was anyone attended the speech: Here are David Brooks and R. Emmett Tyrell (behind them, blogging ubermensch Patrick Ruffini), listening intently.

For a crowd that knew Giuliani as the brass-knuckle terror-smasher of 9/11, it was surprisingly thoughtful stuff. "Americans don't like war. Americans don't want to make war. Americans want to do business with people." Tellingly, this didn't get a standing ovation. What did? "We need the PATRIOT Act, and we need electronic surveillance!"

This photo, taken during Kansas Sen. Sam Brownback's visit to the exhibit hall, accurately conveys the combination of bewilderment and creepiness of the Poor Man's Santorum and his campaign swing. Brownback's speech was... odd. I quote Dave Holman:

Brownback's fascination with corn is unfortunate, and reflects politics over good economics.

He talked a lot about corn. He talked a lot about cancer, and how we "can make it our goal to end cancer in 10 years." His campaign song was "Gonna Fly Now," and his motto was - I am not kidding - "I'm going to take the yellow brick road all the way to the White House!" (When I got close to him I started to yell a question about Iraq exit strategies, but he smartly ignored me.)

Here's Gov. Mitt Romney and Minutemen co-founder Chris Simcox. No one took more flak from conventioneers than Romney - if the man dressed as "Flip Romney" and the flimsy sandals (Romney flip-flops) weren't enough, loud Brownback supporters tried to drown out Romney's fluffy conversations with right-wing bloggers. They did this even when he was speaking to a child. Romney gave a good speech on points, hitting the kinds of applause lines ("This is the time! This is the place!") that Giuliani considered beneath him and Brownback couldn't nail if he had the world's largest hammer. But he didn't impress any skeptics. After Simcox asked Romney what he'd do about the border and got a pat answer, he turned to me and groused. "He's just another slick politician - he doesn't stand for anything. These people aren't running for president, they're running for American Idol.' (Simcox said he was leaning towards Tom Tancredo or Duncan Hunter.)

And speaking of "Flip Romney," the Mormon-hating dolphin:

Here he is sharing a laugh with Andrew Sullivan. Write your own jokes.

Something I didn't photograph, but wished I did: Nation magazine writer Max Blumenthal queued up to get a book signed by Michelle Malkin. When he reached her, however, he didn't produce a book. He produced this photo and asked her to sign it. According to Blumenthal, Malkin got so angry she left the table; video that can prove or disprove this telling should be posted on Monday.

UPDATE: By the way, only after Romney did his tour of the bloggers' desks did I learn that Ann Coulter had called John Edwards - who, unlike Coulter, is married with children - a "faggot." Before his speech, Romney had said how excited he was about Coulter and how it was nice to have "moderates" at the event, which was a hilarious and transparent plea for conservatives' affection. I'm really, really bummed that I didn't know this and yell a question about it at Romney, and encourage the next reporter who talks to Romney to grill him about Coulter.

Comments

SIV|3.2.07 @ 10:42PM|#

Single Issue update............

Assuming Sam Brownback voted for the last Farm bill, he voted for Federal legislation opposing
cockfighting.He FAILS the single issue test.
(+ I have a special kind of hate for Socialist farm policy)

Looks like I'm voting for Ron Paul- or not voting at all(need more research as Paul has a disturbingly high rating from the HSUS)

|3.2.07 @ 10:54PM|#

A picture's worth 1000 words, Ms. Malkin.

|3.2.07 @ 10:58PM|#

matt: I don't generally laugh when I'm alone but I howled when I clicked on the link.

dhex|3.2.07 @ 11:42PM|#

"What did? "We need the PATRIOT Act, and we need electronic surveillance!""

sadly, this isn't surprising.

and yeah, nice move on the photo there, mr. blumenthal.

Justin|3.2.07 @ 11:44PM|#

Great comments David... it was great to meet you at CPAC.

For your interested readers, here is the video of Mitt's speech at CPAC.

Cesar|3.2.07 @ 11:54PM|#

Did anyone notice Ann Coulter called John Edwards a "faggot"?

|3.2.07 @ 11:58PM|#

Someone needs to tell David Brooks that pinching his double chin will only make it bigger.

Also, does anyone expect to see him write a column tut-tutting the lack of civility exhibited by Coulter and others at the event?

|3.3.07 @ 12:13AM|#

Also, does anyone expect to see him write a column tut-tutting the lack of civility exhibited by Coulter and others at the event?

Not if he's a denizen of Redstate.

|3.3.07 @ 12:14AM|#

I wish I could be as clever and funny as Ann Coulter.

|3.3.07 @ 12:16AM|#

I don't know if I can come back to hit&run. I just don't trust it.

Edward|3.3.07 @ 12:26AM|#

Creepy stuff.

|3.3.07 @ 12:34AM|#

Sorry(plot spoiler alert), but Blumenthal's foisting a photo of interred Japs toward Malkin for an autograph is enough to make me renew my long-lapsed subscription to The Nation. That officially makes them A-list again in my book.

|3.3.07 @ 1:50AM|#

Well, those RedState guys convinced me. She wasn't calling Edwards a "faggot," she was satirizing political correctness. If you don't get it, you...Jumping Jesus on a pogo stick!
How the hell do those guys do it? They can rationalize anything that harpy says. Most of the RedState commenters were at least upset by it, and many of them were even outraged. Michelle Malkin disapproves. If you're an outspoken conservative given to making provocative statements and even Michelle Malkin distances herself from you, what kind of person would be on your side?

|3.3.07 @ 3:10AM|#

"and even Michelle Malkin distances herself from you, what kind of person would be on your side?"

I am on Ann's side. Edwards does have really nice hair, and a sing-song voice, and a bright, shiny smile.

|3.3.07 @ 3:12AM|#

So Ron Paul didn't make it to the conference?
I figure he would be favored by these people over Guliani. Abortion, Gun control, taxes, 1st ammendment issues.

He has got to get his name out there.

|3.3.07 @ 3:40AM|#

For one to be a "faggot", one must first be a terrestrial, carbon-based life form. Edwards has yet to provide evidence that he is not a shape-shifting alien entity, mimicking (poorly) a United States politician.

|3.3.07 @ 3:52AM|#

So Ron Paul didn't make it to the conference?

Sure he did. See Weigel's previous posts from the conference.

For one to be a "faggot", one must first be a terrestrial, carbon-based life form. Edwards has yet to provide evidence that he is not a shape-shifting alien entity, mimicking (poorly) a United States politician.

He has acted precisely as a politician. (This ain't no defense of Edwards). What is your point, Audrey B.?

dhex|3.3.07 @ 4:11AM|#

i like the bizarro-world mediascape that ann coulter lives in, where she's a conservative lenny bruce and not just a shill. the cops are going to kick down her door any day now and drag her off to the re-education camps because she's fighting the power, or someone's power, or fighting something, at least.

real-world ann is much more sad; michael moore without the thyroid problem.

|3.3.07 @ 4:23AM|#

Come now, she is smarter and more entertaining than Micheal Moore.

""Sure he did. See Weigel's previous posts from the conference.

Searching the H&R files now.

tros|3.3.07 @ 4:36AM|#

I have never seen so many evil people in one room. It's a good thing I believe in the power of non-violence and universal love, otherwise I would strap a bomb to my chest and blow the place up. That was a "joke" for all you fascists reading this, don't let that erection get the better of you because I am not a terrorist, you have no right to put me in jail and torture me. In order to alleviate the evil humours stirred up by this meeting I can only suggest that Ann Coulter suck off everyone in the room.

P.S. Ann Coulter called Edwards a faggot because she is a man and she wants to fuck him.

tros|3.3.07 @ 4:38AM|#

This is a joke for all the "conservatives" out there that take Attention Deficit Disorder seriously:

Q: What do LIBERALS do to teach their children with ADD how to concentrate?

A: Send them to concentration camp!

Ron Hardin|3.3.07 @ 6:32AM|#

On ``we need to conquer cancer in ten years'' there's this example of ``Orwell's Inversion : the Confusion of Input and Output'' in John Gall's _Systemantics_, that I quote for its predictive power :

2. Orwell's Inversion.
The confusion of Input and Output.

Example. A giant program to Conquer Cancer is begun.
At the end of five years, cancer has not been conquered,
but one thousand research papers have been published.
In addition, one million copies of a pamphlet entitled
``You and the War Against Cancer'' have been distributed.
Those publications will absolutely be regarded as Output
rather than Input

Ron Hardin|3.3.07 @ 6:40AM|#

``I was going to have a few comments on the other Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards, but it turns out you have to go into rehab if you use the word ``faggot,'' so I'm at so kind of an impasse, can't really talk about Edwards.''

Hey, that's a good line! That's the reason to read Coulter.

It's not a faggot joke, but two jokes, one about Edwards's preening, and the other about free speech.

|3.3.07 @ 7:53AM|#

poor Romney.

Xmas|3.3.07 @ 8:11AM|#

In Ann's defense, Edwards started it by asking, "What's with the adam's apple there Miss Manny McManhands?"

|3.3.07 @ 8:20AM|#

she's fighting the power, or someone's power, or fighting something, at least.

She's fighting sanity, I think.

It's not a faggot joke, but two jokes, one about Edwards's preening, and the other about free speech.

No. It's a 'faggot' joke disguised as a joke on free speech. The joke on free speech may be astute. But nothing changes the fact that she indicates that she thinks Edwards is a faggot.

So please quit trying to gold-plate a turd.

|3.3.07 @ 8:25AM|#

...loud Brownback supporters tried to drown out Romney's fluffy conversations with right-wing bloggers. They did this even when he was speaking to a child.

Continuing evidence of how much class followers of hardcore conservatives actually have.

|3.3.07 @ 8:34AM|#

"Continuing evidence of how much class followers of hardcore conservatives actually have."

Hardcore politicos of any kind rank "class" well down the list of their priorities. As funny as the stunt with the interment camp picture given to Malkin is, I'm not sure I'd call it a "classy" maneuver.

Or have we forgotten the "classy" ramblings over at Pandagon? I'm sure certain hardcore LPers have rutted in the gutter plenty themselves, I just can't remember any specifics off hand.

Knowing you're right about everything tends to have that effect on people.

|3.3.07 @ 8:35AM|#

Just re-iterate, I'm still laughing at handing Malkin the picture to sign, and probably will for another half hour.

But classy? No, that's why it's so funny...

TF|3.3.07 @ 8:54AM|#

This is the exact reaction Ann wanted.

She makes a joke that the left goes ape-shit every time you use the word "faggot," she uses the word "faggot," and the left goes ape-shit. Jesus.

At least she parlays her inane comments into making money, unlike most of the inane comments made by people here.

|3.3.07 @ 8:55AM|#

P.S. Ann Coulter called Edwards a faggot because she is a man and she wants to fuck him.

Not that I want to be seen defending Coulter or that joke, but does anybody see the irony in complaining about a homophobic joke by making one about transsexuals?

Grotius|3.3.07 @ 8:57AM|#

Ron Hardin,

This isn't the first time that Coulter has used a word related to homosexuality when discussing a Democratic figure.

|3.3.07 @ 9:02AM|#

But how was the ACLU table? You never reported after the first day. I am surprised that they didn't get rocked with the firehose.

|3.3.07 @ 9:14AM|#

How disapointing that Ron Paul wanted to talk about the gold and silver standard, instead of the drug war, the income tax, gun control, the Kelo decision, or any other thing that would get him some traction. Something that would get him to a position that he could actually be in a position to elevate those other positions to a national debate status

|3.3.07 @ 9:16AM|#

Also, I thought that comment from Coulter was hilarious.

I was reading all the postings thinking what an insensitive bitch she must be. Then someone posted the actual quote, and it is hilarious.

|3.3.07 @ 9:16AM|#

"Americans don't like war. Americans don't want to make war. Americans want to do business with people." Tellingly, this didn't get a standing ovation. What did? "We need the PATRIOT Act, and we need electronic surveillance!"

The New Republic had a column a couple months ago about how, ever since Reagan, American conservatism had been bright and sunny - an optimistic "Morning in America" brad of conservatism - but that since the Iraq War started to go sour, it was returning back to a dark, pessimistic, paranoid, Nixonian variety.

I guess this counts as confirmation.

|3.3.07 @ 9:25AM|#

"I was going to have a few comments on military contractor kwais, but it turns out you have to go to Confession if you use the word 'baby-killer,' so I - so kind of an impasse, can't really talk about kwais."

Ha, get it? It's a joke about conservative PC.

Funny, right kwais?

|3.3.07 @ 9:30AM|#

Again,

Yes...the Malkin stunt was funny. We can debate whether or how much class it had, but I'd put it miles above jeering at a politician while he's talking to a child.

The Malkin stunt had the virtues of being somewhat subtle and it was all accomplished without screaming or name-calling. Compared with sceaming invectives at politicians and calling people 'faggots", I'd say Coulter and company could learn a lesson or two from Blumenthal on how to score an effective direct hit.

Heather Annastasia Siladi|3.3.07 @ 9:45AM|#

It's funny, I'm always ranting and raving about the Patriot Act and the Military Commissions Act, and I can't figure out why more people aren't flipping out about 200 years of Consitutional rights (and 800 years of habeas corpus) poof. GONE.

But to quote Padmé:

"So this is how liberty dies: to thunderous applaus."

|3.3.07 @ 9:51AM|#

I can't figure out why more people aren't flipping out about 200 years of Consitutional rights

Because...like most reactionaries, they never bother consider how the things they desire to trounce the rights of others can be used against them.

|3.3.07 @ 9:53AM|#

If I ever meet George Bush I'm going to ask him to autograph a picture of a torture victim.

Cesar|3.3.07 @ 10:05AM|#

If I ever meet Giuliani, I'm going to get him to autograph a plunger.

|3.3.07 @ 10:09AM|#

WASHINGTON D.C.: Secret Service agents arrested an unnamed individual asking for an autograph from President George Bush.

The unnamed assailant was immediately taken into custody and is being held in an unidentified location pending a thorough investigation.

The suspected terrorist in question apparently tried to detonate a bomb disguised as a harmless picture of an abu Ghraib torture victim. Anthrax spores are also suspected and hazmat teams are at the scene decontaminating the surrounding area.

Agents were alerted to the possibility that something was wrong when the al Qaida operative - who posts in a variety of subversive blogs using the deceptive name of 'thoreau' - approached the president asking him to autograph a picture. Upon seeing the picture, the president reportedly crumpled to the ground and began sobbing uncontrollably.

The Mr. Bush is also being held in an unidentified location as Walter Reed Medical Center is not considered safe for human habitation.

In a related story, President Cheney made a speech today at the White House Rose Garden assuring Americans that his assumption of the presidency was only temporary...

|3.3.07 @ 10:10AM|#

Joe,
Your timing is off.

|3.3.07 @ 10:25AM|#

I have an autograph from President Bush, along with a story and priceless picture. Unfortunately, because of its political incorrectness, it became the straw that broke my financial back and drove me out of business after publishing the whole thing!

While it cannot be proved, right after I published the picture, (The President meets Carmen Mercer, Vice-President of the Minutemen,) story and commentary, most of my advertisers were driven off. It was the excuses from those advertisers that was most telling.

As for Governor Romney, I worked for him when he was trying to unseat Ted Kennedy in the Senate many years ago. The person I see now is someone completely different from the man I supported back then.

|3.3.07 @ 10:49AM|#

I have an autograph from President Bush, along with a story and priceless picture. Unfortunately, because of its political incorrectness, it became the straw that broke my financial back and drove me out of business after publishing the whole thing!

How could publishing a picture of you and Bush be "Politically Incorrect?" How could that drive you out of business?

On its face, it simply appears that your customers didn't agree with your activities with the Minutemen.

|3.3.07 @ 11:08AM|#

"For a crowd that knew Giuliani as the brass-knuckle terror-smasher of 9/11..."

Wtf is that supposed to mean? I remember Giuliani as a figure of responsible authority after 9/11, exercising a calming, moderating influence over a city that had just been devastated by a huge terror attack. What terror did he smash exactly? What brass-knuckle tactics did he use to do this?

I think Weigel is a bright, engaging guy, but sometimes his rhetoric is just off-the-wall in a leftward direction.

|3.3.07 @ 11:09AM|#

kwais,

Does that mean you're home, safe and whole?

I hope so.

|3.3.07 @ 11:20AM|#

If I ever meet Ron Paul, I'm going to have him autograph my man-boobs.

|3.3.07 @ 11:21AM|#

Joe,
No, I am still whole (thank God) and relatively safe, thus far it seems due to enemy incompetence. But I am still in Iraq.

No, I was talking about your joke timing. Actually I was thinking about the time there was that joke about the cavemen who didn't understand why they were dieing at 45 despite eating health foods, and clean air.

You were upset at the joke, and came up with one about libertarians. But it was more an angry comment than a joke. It could have been worked into a funny joke though, I think.

So maybe I was just thinking of that event. I don't know how the baby killer thing could be worked into a funny joke. I am sure it could though.

I mean, I disagree with Jon Stewart often, but his jokes make me laugh even when I disagree with them.

That Ann Coulter comment was funny.

|3.3.07 @ 11:31AM|#

Hey, someone wrote that I won the thread for that joke!

Anyway, how about some comebacks for Edwards:

"Hey, if you're going to put a wig on a horse and teach it talk, you might as well have it say something outrageous."

"My first reaction was to punch Ann Coulter in the nose, but with my limp wrist, I should probably aim for his adam's apple."

"I think it's unfair that a normal guy like me gets denounced for using the word 'faggot,' but when a guy dressed in a skirt and blonde wig uses it, it's treated as a joke."

"Ann only said that because he thinks I'm cute. A little wishful thinking, I guess."

|3.3.07 @ 11:36AM|#

Joe...the horse bit was the best

|3.3.07 @ 12:14PM|#

I agree about Paul. Whatever you think about the Gold Standard, he's got to drop that out of his stump speech and focus on the core issues that people can relate to- the drug war, the iraq war, lower taxes, and less government and regulation.

Rommney should hire a giant ear of corn dressed up like Dorthy to stalk Brownback for the rest of the campaign.

|3.3.07 @ 12:24PM|#

Not gonna comment much on Coulter, since she feeds on negative energy. But homosexuals feel about "faggot" the same way blacks feel about "nigger." It's not especially shocking that they and their allies on the left would get upset about it. It's inflammatory and degrading: the language a person uses to goad others to attack physically. It's a little irritating that it's still considered polite speech or even an amusing joke, like the "colored" jokes people could still tell back in the Seventies. Substitute "Condi Rice" and "nigger," or "Joe Lieberman" and "kike," and see if the media reacts.

But when you really do want all homosexuals to be imprisoned or reprogrammed, dehumanizing them is an important part of the process. The appropriate move for Edwards is to use the occasion to pick up gay and lesbian votes by arguing "they hate me, too." Nothing brings people together like a common enemy.

|3.3.07 @ 12:34PM|#

"How could publishing a picture of you and Bush be "Politically Incorrect?" How could that drive you out of business?"

Simple. In politics, when the President is quoted as saying something like the Minutemen are vigilantes, he has cut off any possible meetings or dialoug with the group, (which, btw, I am not a member of.)

When I got the opportunity to get the photo and decided to publish it, this flew in the face of modern politics and standard political protocal. It also created a lot of controversy at the time, and pissed of the Bush administration.

Over the next few months, we started losing advertisers. More than one said they had received some form of threat, and decided it would not be a good idea to continue to be associated with us. We tried to have the whole matter investigated, but we got nowhere.

Soon enough, without the support of the advertisers, we could no longer afford to continue the newspaper and was forced to close.

We are not the first to go out in this manner, and will not be the last. Things like this have happened many times over the years.

|3.3.07 @ 1:06PM|#

which, btw, I am not a member of.

How could you be vice president of the group and not be a member?

|3.3.07 @ 1:26PM|#

I never said I was Vice-President of the Minutemen. That was Carmen Mercer, and it was Carmen and the president I got the picture of. The President did not know at the time of the picture taking who it was that he was being photographed with.

|3.3.07 @ 1:27PM|#

After Ann Coulter's speech, did anyone get the Romney Flipper Dolphin's opinion on the declining standards of civil discourse at CPAC?

Bhh|3.3.07 @ 2:00PM|#

The conservative movement has turned into a John Waters movie.

|3.3.07 @ 2:02PM|#

Gotcha, Ramman...your post was a little fuzzy. Tighten that up, man. We got standards.

My question to you now would be, "Are you a Bush supporter?"

|3.3.07 @ 2:28PM|#

The short answer is no, and yes. It really depends on the issue.

After spending years researching out the truth behind many issues, I cannot find a single person who I can fully support, so I look to the one who would be the best person overall. Of course no one can be everything to everyone.

In the first primary, (back in 2000,) I supported Steve Forbes. I worked for his campaign in AZ, and am proud to say that this was a state he won, unfortunately, the only one! In the general election, I supported Bush as it was either him or Algore. Bush was basically the lessor of the two evils.

When, during the second election, it came down to either Kerry or Bush, I was faced with the same dilemma. I know John Kerry personally and have for years. There was no way I could ever support him.

This is the sad state of politics today. We always seem to end up choosing between the lessor of the evils rather than proudly being able to stand up with full support behind a candidate.

dhex|3.3.07 @ 2:31PM|#

"The conservative movement has turned into a John Waters movie."

they've never been that creative, though they certainly compete in the category marked "vile."

|3.3.07 @ 2:55PM|#

Ms. Coulter continues to prove that her only redeeming qualities are the bits we would like to see uncovered in penthouse.

|3.3.07 @ 3:38PM|#

Ew.

|3.3.07 @ 3:42PM|#

So who is the lessee, then?

|3.3.07 @ 4:15PM|#

"I'd say Coulter and company could learn a lesson or two from Blumenthal on how to score an effective direct hit."

I dunno Coulter's was kinda funny too, although grossly unfair to most homosexuals who deserve much better than to be compared to Edwards.

But 'classy?' No, it (the Malkin incident) was clearly a low blow which is what made it so funny.

dhex|3.3.07 @ 4:24PM|#

no, i think it's fairly classy to make someone stare their advocation in the face.

|3.3.07 @ 4:32PM|#

I'm sorry...I shouldbe more clear. I'm not suggesting that the Malkin-Blumenthal bit was classy. But it was witty, clever, subtle and damn funny - as well as damn called for. It was those traits that made it more admirable than Coulter's 'faggot' bit or shouting down Romney in front of a little kid.

I'm also with highnumber...there ain't nothing on Coulter's skeletal frame I wan't to see uncovered.

And Ramman, agreed. I actually voted for neither candidate in both 2000 and 2004. I considered LP but in 2000 I had no clue about the candidate. In 2004, I did not like Badnarik 'cause I thought he was an un-serious kook.

Truly sad, indeed...though I'd be interested in more meaty nuggets about why you could never suppor Kerry if you've a mind to share. If not, that's cool too.

|3.3.07 @ 5:31PM|#

No, 'classy' is to let them suffer in their own ignorance and to take the high road rebutting their poorly informed claims and letting the strength of your ideas win out.

'Funny' is crafting a clever little stunt to piss the person off in a public forum. Like having William Jefferson sign your ice tray, or John McCain sign a copy of the first amendment. Or requesting Bill Clinton play "Devil with a Blue Dress On" at his next saxophone jam. I mean it's clearly rude, and that's why its funny. How funny I guess depends on how much you think the person deserves the ridicule...

|3.3.07 @ 7:51PM|#

How funny I guess depends on how much you think the person deserves the ridicule...

Since I think Malkin deserve ridicule and more...I think it's hilarious.

|3.3.07 @ 8:22PM|#

"Since I think Malkin deserve ridicule and more...I think it's hilarious."

As do I, as I mentioned.

|3.3.07 @ 9:45PM|#

She wasn't calling Edwards a "faggot," she was satirizing political correctness.

What was she doing last July when she called Al Gore a fag? I think I'd be more inclined to roll my eyes and let it drop if this were the first time she used the word. As it is, she needs to get smacked down (figuratively) for it before she descends even deeper into self-parody.

dhex|3.3.07 @ 10:09PM|#

maybe she likes the word, and likes tweaking peoples' noses. maybe she's obsessed with gay men. so long as she dropped the victimhood schtick it wouldn't be so bad, really; though i don't know if it would be notable at that point either.

actually, i take back my michael moore thing. she's more like rage against the machine. sound and fury, signifying something something some...thing. maybe she's like a conservative version of a power chord during the opening notes of an arena rock band's biggest hit? everyone's just waiting for that shit so they can light up a j and scream like a 12 year old, and it finally happens and ohmygodyeahrockandrollwoooooooooooo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip1zsUIosoA

(as an aside, check out that fucking mooseknuckle. it hurts to look at)

serious question: why is victimhood the reigning narrative of public discourse?

|3.3.07 @ 10:52PM|#

Giuliani has pulled even farther ahead in the polls. Reading a John Derbyshire article I've figured out why I like old Rudy so much.

His whole persona just seems to scream out against the self-loathing, self reliance hating, therapy culture we're all used to. That victime mentality that talks about people "getting over" what that didn't even happen in their own lifetime. All those that demand social justice and would use it as a cover to steal and plunder.

We love or hate politicians based more based on who they are and the ideals they respesent rather than their positions.

I think in his heart, Guiliani hates enviornmentalists and Muslims and detests weakness just as much as immorality. And that's why I love him.

|3.4.07 @ 12:45AM|#

What you say bodes well for Guliani then, racism is big this season.

|3.4.07 @ 11:37AM|#

I think in his heart, Guiliani hates enviornmentalists and Muslims and detests weakness just as much as immorality

Unless of course the immorality involves moving your mistress into the Mayor's Mansion while your wife is still living there, then trying to throw her our on the street when she complains. Then he's totally cool with it.

|3.4.07 @ 11:53AM|#

Unless of course the immorality involves moving your mistress into the Mayor's Mansion while your wife is still living there, then trying to throw her our on the street when she complains. Then he's totally cool with it.

Really? What a fucking man!

No voting for third party whack jobs in 08 for me.

|3.4.07 @ 12:13PM|#

Yeah, 'cept for the fact that he'd probably condemn you if you did it. Hypocrisy is funny like that.

|3.4.07 @ 12:53PM|#

He hates muslims? Well I don't know if that is racism, because islam is not a race.

But I don't think it is any better than being anti semite.

Which is to say that both are stupid. Does he hate everyone that was born into that religion? Or is there a certain percentage of following the religion that makes them uncool. Like five prayers a day, and they are still cool, but fasting during ramadan, and now he hates them.

Either way, if it is true, fuck him.

|3.4.07 @ 1:41PM|#

No voting for third party whack jobs in 08 for me.

I'm gonna vote for whomever is ahead in the polls. That way, my vote won't be wasted. I suggest everyone do the same. The stakes are too high to throw your vote away on another losing candidate!

|3.4.07 @ 1:52PM|#

Technically, sure, the case is good ol' religious prejuidice, but something about most of these anti-muslims makes me think that if most muslims were white guys with names like Jones and Delaney and they lived in the suburbs, he'd be ok with them.

Personally, I think the crux of the issue is the brown skin and the foreign tongue, which would also explain why they go so crazy on illegal immigrants.

|3.4.07 @ 3:24PM|#

dhex,
That was an ambush. I feel dirty now. Journey is meant to be heard and not seen.

|3.4.07 @ 4:24PM|#

Technically, sure, the case is good ol' religious prejuidice, but something about most of these anti-muslims makes me think that if most muslims were white guys with names like Jones and Delaney and they lived in the suburbs, he'd be ok with them.

Personally, I think the crux of the issue is the brown skin and the foreign tongue, which would also explain why they go so crazy on illegal immigrants.

Yeah, making women into walking blankets and killing their daughters for going out with boys has nothing to do with it.

I'm against the mutilation of female genitalia too. I'm such a fucking bigot.

|3.4.07 @ 5:10PM|#

most of you are assholes.

calling john edwards a faggot: asshole thing to do.

calling ann coulter a transwoman and ridiculing her for it: asshole thing to do.

seriously, dickheads. doesn't ann coulter have enough baggage? there are certainly plenty of things to insult her about that aren't implicitly biased against transwomen.

goddamn, i hate you guys sometimes.

|3.4.07 @ 5:26PM|#

Yeah, making women into walking blankets and killing their daughters for going out with boys has nothing to do with it.

I'm against the mutilation of female genitalia too. I'm such a fucking bigot.
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About half of the right-wingers I know think prison rape and carpet-bombing are funny, so yeah, I'm guessing that their beef with Islam is usually all about the permanent suntan.

Now of course, the FGM and the random killing are awful and I recognise that, but the GOP doesn't exactly have a seamless anti random killing platform in place.

|3.4.07 @ 7:22PM|#

"I think in his heart, Guiliani hates enviornmentalists and Muslims and detests weakness just as much as immorality. And that's why I love him."

Given the collapse of every idea the GOP has stood for over the past six years, positioning one's self as the greater hater is probablyh the smart more a Republican primary candidate.

|3.4.07 @ 7:24PM|#

Carpet bombing a prison full of right-wing muslim rapists would be seriously comical....

|3.4.07 @ 7:53PM|#

Given the collapse of every idea the GOP has stood for over the past six years, positioning one's self as the greater hater is probablyh the smart more a Republican primary candidate.

Ignoring the spelling and considering we all have a certain degree of hatred in our hearts (especially us political people) I'd rather have that hatred for criminals and third world savages than the builders and defenders of civillization.

|3.4.07 @ 8:04PM|#

That or else we could all, uh, hate injustice and lies or something.

I realize it's a little harder than just ripping on the darkies, Chalupa, but maybe if you try really hard you can make it work out.


An added bonus is that, if you do, you'll no longer be a racist, which is usually a plus.

|3.4.07 @ 8:31PM|#

"Civilization builders" vs. "destroyers," defined by vague categories of culture, ethnicity, and religion? I've heard that before...

Asharak|3.4.07 @ 9:24PM|#

matt (and everyone else), Grand Chalupa is nothing more than a pseudo-libertarian, crypto-fascist thug and a troll. Just ignore him.

He sure is a sea of contradictions, though.

|3.4.07 @ 9:49PM|#

see, that's normally what I think of joe, but he's doing a good thing today.

|3.4.07 @ 10:46PM|#

matt (and everyone else), Grand Chalupa is nothing more than a pseudo-libertarian, crypto-fascist thug and a troll. Just ignore him.

What a combination! Who are you again?

|3.5.07 @ 11:36AM|#

"Yeah, making women into walking blankets and killing their daughters for going out with boys has nothing to do with it.

I'm against the mutilation of female genitalia too. I'm such a fucking bigot."

Most Muslims don't do any of those things. Thinking they do is what makes you a bigot.