Jacob Sullum | January 31, 2007
An article in the January issue of The Regional Economist, a publication of the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis, explains why "the likely result" of using eminent domain to foster economic development "is that the costs and benefits will average out to be the same, thus creating a zero-sum gain." Local officials may think they know the best use for any given parcel of property, write Federal Reserve Bank economist Thomas A. Garrett and Washington University economist Paul Rothstein, but "even the most well-intentioned policymaker cannot comprehend or replicate the complex interactions of buyers and sellers that occur in free markets."
Worse, the government's attempt to plan prosperity by reallocating property rights invites spending aimed at influencing its decisions. "This rent-seeking by opposing groups," write Garrett and Rothstein, "results in a net economic loss because both groups will expend resources to ensure a particular outcome, but only one outcome will occur." They also note that taking land from one private owner and handing it over to another in the name of economic development undermines the security of property rights, which may discourage investment.
In sum, the net economic impact of Kelo-style eminent domain will be zero—if we're lucky. That conclusion, of course, does not take into account the equity issues raised by forcing people like Susette Kelo to sell their property. But Garrett and Rothstein's analysis reinforces Sandra Day O'Connor's point in her Kelo dissent that "the beneficiaries [of eminent domain] are likely to be those citizens with disproportionate influence and power in the political process, including large corporations and development firms."
[Thanks to John Kramer at the Institute for Justice for the link.]
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I've never seen anyone claim that Kelo-style ED fosters overall
economic growth.
Addressing specific market failures in certian locations - the
blight phenomenon, for example - sure, but I've never seen anyone
argue that the economy as a whole would benefit from centralized
redistribution of land based on government's opinion of what
constitutes a better use.
This paper is like arguing that we'd have had more economic growth
if the money spent on defense was left with taxpayers. Well, yes,
allowing money to circulate through the economy is more efficient
that big building projects. However, sometimes you've got a problem
- say, Japanese submarines - that needs a government intervention
to solve.
And just to be clear, I don't think the New London case is a good
example of such problem solving.
"the beneficiaries [of eminent domain] are likely to be those
citizens with disproportionate influence and power in the political
process, including large corporations and development firms."
And the politicians they pay off.
"even the most well-intentioned policymaker cannot
comprehend or replicate the complex interactions of buyers and
sellers that occur in free markets."
BULLSHIT!
Let's leave aside the question of distribution - whether
economic development in a poor city does more good for society than
the same dollar value of economic development in a booming
suburb.
The writers assume that the redevelopment of private property can
only serve a private good. This isn't surprising, because the City
of New London and the majority decision both identified private
goods (as defined in standard economic terms) as the public purpose
that justified the takings.
But that is not always so. If the new owner was to clean up some
pollution that was migrating off of his property, and the old owner
was not, then there is a public good achieved, as well as the
private goods produced by the new, typically more profitable use of
the land.
steve,
Did I answer your question?
1. Better - in a normative sense - distribution of resources,
through the fostering of more economic activity in an area that
needs it.
2. The provision of a public good that is achieved as an outcome of
the new owner pursuing his own private goods. This would have to go
beyond merely more localized econmic growth to be an overall, as
opposed to local, public good, and include some other
accomplishment.
Aren't zoning laws an example of Eminent Domain? Some governmental board has decided to take away that which is yours and allow you to only do with it what they have decided.
If the new owner was to clean up some pollution that was
migrating off of his property, and the old owner was not, then
there is a public good achieved, as well as the private goods
produced by the new, typically more profitable use of the
land.
As if ED was the preferred way to address pollution. Oh and it
looks like someone's claiming "Kelo-style ED fosters overall
economic growth" after all.
There is nothing joe won't say in defense of an elitist
oligarchy.
I've never seen anyone claim that Kelo-style ED fosters
overall economic growth.
Well, proponents claim among other things that tax revenues will
increase, benefiting all. You don't get increased tax revenues
without increased property values and an overall increase in
business activity. So proponents of Kelo-style ED are indeed
promising eventual economic prosperity and good times for all by
stealing other people's property.
Blight is not a market "failure". It is the market at work. Real estate developers do not refuse to fix blight because they're uncaring jerks. Blight will get fixed eventually, either because the price difference between blighted and non-blighted areas becomes so large it invites private investment because the blighted area is seen as a place to buy bargains (see East Palo Alto CA), or when the political and regulatory environment that's currently inhibiting investment (affordable housing advocates are often the worst offenders) is removed.
Warren,
Nope. Read gooder.
Or, if you can ask someone more decent than you how to be polite,
I'll be happy to clear up your confusion, if asked. Politely.
Otherwise, screw off, deluded jerk.
ed,
"Benefitting all" in that city. The economic effect were always
intended to be localized.
Its a transfer...
Like crime, the transfer itself has no net effect on the greater
good.
But the rent-seeking and rent-defending activities are net
losses.
Didn't Gordon Tullock point this out many moons ago?
Bob Smith,
That's not how blight works. In many cases, properties in blighted
areas have negative economic values - a buyer would have to put
money into them in order for them to be given away. The other
aspect of blight is that it effect whole areas. The owner of Parcel
A can't make money by developing his land because the presence of
Parcels B though Q, also blighted, make it impossible for any
enterprise on Parcel A to make money.
It's not just a question of individual properties' values
decreasing.
-joe
I think its a little clearer. It is my understanding that the usual
ED (i.e. to build a highway, or whatever) was the process of
redistributing property from a private party to a public one, for
obvious reasons. In the Kelo case, what stuck out was the private
to private asspect, under the assumption that one private party's
use of the land would benefit the public more then the other's. And
of course this is a local action with local affects.
Is that what you are also saying?
If so then it is my understanding that the article was arguing that
if you added up all of the Hypothetical Kelo-style decisions, that
the aggregate benefit to society as a whole (at whatever level I
guess), would be zero.
Of course I could still be misinterpreting you and the article.
In other words, I thought the kelo decision was based on the desire for local economic growth, and was therfore justified as a public good. And that the argument against it, in this case, was that on average the government, local or otherwise, was going to get it wrong enough times to that the average benifit would be weighted to zero.
steveintheknow,
I'm not saying that, in the Kelo case, the new owner's use
benefitted society more than the old owner.
I'm saying that in some cases such a transfer could produce a net
benefit to society, but only under specific conditions:
1. when the new owner will accomplish something through his
redevelopment that produces a public good (by the Econ definition
of the term - I keep repeating this to avoid confusion with the
legal terms "public use" and "public purpose.")
2. When the purely private goods (usually economic activity, but I
could come up with others) produced by the new development are
substantially greater than those produced by the old, and in an
area that is in significant need of those private goods. Even so,
to find a net benefit to society, you would have to conclude that
satisfying this localized shortage achieves some substantial public
benefit that the same level of private goods provided in other
places would not achieve. Of course, whether the social value of
goods varies based on geography or human need is a normative
judgement.
Doesn't "kelo-style" imply "not about blight"?
The Kelo plot was distinctly non blighted.
Jason L,
I was using the term "Kelo-style" to mean that the taken property
went to a private party.
I guess I could have been clearer.
-joe
So you do agree that Kelo was about fostering economic growth (not
any of the other public use reasons you described)?
And if so do you think the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis was
wrong in their analysis that this kind of ED (private to private,
for econimic growth) will ultimately not achieve its goals?
I also thought that the Kelo decision was basically an "unfair"
decision decided by the Supreme Court in the way it was because
State laws were written the way they were. Deciding any other way
would have been going against already written law.
Do you guys want the courts to be "activist" or not?
steveintheknow,
Kelo was about fostering economic growth IN NEW LONDON AND IN
CONNECTICUT. The St. Louis Fed's article was about overall economic
growth.
I think the authors are largely correct about the effect of ED on
overall economic growth, but with a couple of caveats.
And just to be clear, I don't think the New London case is a
good example of such problem solving.
And just to be clear, I don't think Hitler or Stalin are a good
example of Totalitarian Problem Solving. Just because dictators
have been harmful in the past, doesn't mean we shouldn't pursue
dictatorship as a powerful way to address social problems.
The real problem is the lack of BENEVOLENT dictatorship, just like
the problem with eminent domain is that it is being used to benifit
the rich and powerful. However, those failures would never have
anything to do with the systems that spawned them! It is not like
giving politicians the power to arbitrarily take property away from
some people to give it to their friends is prone to abuse or
anything.
I like blight to stay right where it is so I can keep an eye on it. It's when blight starts shifting around that I get worried.
"This rent-seeking by opposing groups," write Garrett and
Rothstein, "results in a net economic loss because both groups will
expend resources to ensure a particular outcome, but only one
outcome will occur."
Can someone explain why one kind of spending is better for the
economy than another? If I donate money to my representatives and
still don't get my way, how is that a net economic loss? I
understand it's a loss for me--I paid for something I didn't get.
But for the economy, what does it matter where I put my money? It's
not like my rep is going to burn the money if he doesn't give me
what I want. Regardless of how my rep votes, the money keeps moving
through the economy in one way or another.
We hear these types of arguments all the time--namely that reducing
taxes will stimulate the economy because we'll all have more money
to spend. Now as much as I want to spend more of my money, I don't
see how it matters (in economic terms) whether I spend it or the
government spends it. Even if they spend most of it on crap I don't
want, it's still being spent.
Now as much as I want to spend more of my money, I don't see
how it matters (in economic terms) whether I spend it or the
government spends it. Even if they spend most of it on crap I don't
want, it's still being spent.
I'd guess that enriching an already-wealthy corporation like
Lockheed Martin or Northrop Grummun does less overall good for the
economy than allowing a bunch of little guys like you to start your
own businesses, or buy more stuff from the businesses you choose to
patronize.
If it doesn't matter who or how your money is spent, meet me at the local school tonight and we'll break windows, thereby creating prosperity.
well jimmy, that would create prosperity--for some people.
Namely the janitors who have to clean up the mess, the window
installers, the people who manufacture windows, the people who make
glass etc. And then these people will in turn use their newfound
prosperity to create more prosperity--by paying their mortgage,
buying groceries, and cars and so on. So your sarcastic remark
doesn't really address the original question.
I'm not suggesting that certain spending is better than other
kinds, but it all depends on your perspective. If you're training
to be a police officer, you benefit from all the money we spend
fighting the drug war. If you're a chemist, you benefit from NSF
and NIH funding. I may not benefit from either, but somebody does.
So in net economic terms, as long as I don't stash my money away
under the mattress, what does it matter how it gets spent (again,
in economic terms).
-John
If blind spending is all that matters, communism in the 20th
century would have worked out.
More to your question "in economic terms", Jimmy made an allusion
to Parable
of Broken Windows, which discusses hidden costs.
Since labor is a scarce commodity doesn't replacing the broken windows divert resources from making goods that people would be willing to spend their own money or in lieu of money their own time pursuing those other things that make them happy. The original argument was who owns the property/resources? You do, your taxes are you, created by your efforts. I own my body and all those things I create. Taking my property, be it through Eminent Domain or taxes precludes me from investing that same effort in something more worthwhile. If Eminent Domain is so great we can follow the example we have seen in the old Soviet Union, where Eminent Domain precluded private property. Central planning has always been a success!!!
Can someone explain why one kind of spending is better for
the economy than another?
I was mulling over your question about the finer points of
rent-seeking and whether your intuition may be right in this
example. Is the rent-seeking itself a loss to the economy if what
is being fought over is zero-sum? When we think of rent-seeking,
it's usually to achieve a result that is decidedly negative-sum for
the economy -- such as tariffs on imports -- but positive for the
rent-seeker. But if the result is zero-sum, is rent-seeking a
loss?
Then you go and say that the broken
window fallacy is not a loss? It clearly is! At the end of all
the accounting of all the recipients of all the transactions, the
economy is poorer the equivalent of one window.
well jimmy, that would create prosperity--for some people.
Namely the janitors who have to clean up the mess, the window
installers, the people who manufacture windows, the people who make
glass etc. And then these people will in turn use their newfound
prosperity to create more prosperity--by paying their mortgage,
buying groceries, and cars and so on. So your sarcastic remark
doesn't really address the original question
Apparently John has never heard of the Broken Window Fallacy. Here
John:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window
Is the rent-seeking itself a loss to the economy if what is
being fought over is zero-sum?
Consider the simple example: A representative of the city shows up
at your door to take your house. You decide to fight it, costing
you $100,000. You win. Is this a loss to the economy?
I would have to say it is.
Consider the simplest case: You stop working for one year to fight
the taking, forgoing $100k in salary. It is absolutely and totally
clear that the economy is out $100k. That money was spent for a
desired result, the desired result was achieved, and the total
accounting of the wealth of the world shows a big fat $100k loss,
most obviously in your savings or debt.
The situation where you pay an agent $100k to fight the case for
you is only a little more subtle. Yes, he spent the $100k just as
you could, so that is a simple transfer of dollars. But after a
year, what wealth was created by the dollars? Nothing. The
opportunity cost is that the agent could have been paid $100k to
actually produce something worth $100k to the economy.
The end result of the rent-seeking required to keep your house is
identical to what would have happened had the city representative
showed up at your house and simply broke $100,000 worth of
windows.
Joe, 1 thing I've never heard from you is a case where eminent domain was used responsibly and to a positive effect, despite asking repeatedly.
Joe, if blight affects an entire area, the developer is going to want to buy the entire area. Even if he can't, he can develop part of it. All we need is for somebody to go first, and the area will be upgraded in stages. We even have a name for it: gentrification. One of the reasons it doesn't work are the "affordable housing" nutjobs who scream and yell that gentrification is evil, driving out the entrepreneurs that were responsible for it and leaving the job incomplete. Said nutjobs usually show their true colors by then demanding that tax money be used to "de-blight" the area. Somehow government action is moral while private action isn't, but they never give a cogent reason why.
These people seem to ignore how good the arbitrary use of eminent domain is for the political sector of the economy, ie, politicians' campaign funds.
Bob Smith,
You are missing the point. Evil land owners see more profit from
holding on to areas they have allowed to become blighted than they
possibly could by selling those areas to people willing to invest
in them and make a profit.
In all seriousness, I'd love for someone to be able to either
refute that point, or at best provide an example to show that
someone would rather own a non-profitable shithole than sell
it.
76,
I've answered you before. Look up the Acre Urban Renewal Plan in
Lowell, Mass. In short, the neighborhood consisted of residential
and small-scale industrial uses mixed together. The residences were
suffering from severe disinvestment, because the proximity to the
industrial uses made them unappealing. The industrial properties
were also low-end and declining, because their position in a
residential neighborhood meant they had lousy access, couldn't
expand, and were in a "bad area." The city strategically bought up
residential properties near the neighborhood's southern periphery,
and industrial properties in the heart of the neighborhood, and
then helped relocate the businesses and redevelop the residential
properties for affordable housing. At the end of the day, both the
residential neighborhood and industrial district are much more
successful, desireable, and stable.
Bob,
"Even if he can't, he can develop part of it. All we need is for
somebody to go first, and the area will be upgraded in stages."
That's the point - after a certain stage of decline, no one is
going to go first, because it isn't in their interest to do so. The
blighted properties all around limit the developers' ability to
make their investment back. This is especially true if, as so often
happens, there are considerable amounts of land in the district
that are owned by people who are quite happy to leave them as
shitholes - dead storage in run-down industrial buildings,
brownfields owned by corporations too big to care about the
small-potatoes tax bills, or just plain deadbeat owners.
In theory, what you're describing sounds great. In practice, we end
up with a Mexican standoff, with everyone realizing that it is
against their interest to go first.
jf,
You shouldn't mouth off about subjects you clearly have no actual
knowledge about.
You've never spent an hour of life looking at urban development
patterns, have you?
I've never seen anyone claim that Kelo-style ED fosters
overall economic growth.
1. Better - in a normative sense - distribution of resources,
through the fostering of more economic activity in an area that
needs it.
Someone's been dipping into the crack jar, again.
It is PRECISELY economic growth that is supposedly behind ED
takings for PUBLIC PURPOSE. Has any official muttered the words
"economic growth"? I have no idea. But when a city identifies (even
false identification including that of the Kelo sitch) a "blighted
area", economic growth is the ultimate goal. One may call it
"economic improvement" or whatever. I simply can't believe that a
taking would occur where officials were referring to the "public
purpose" as something other than an economic benefit, that being
growth of what officials perceive to be a stagnant economy, even if
localized to a neighborhood.
My bad, someone HAS uttered "economic growth":
The International Economic Development Council, an organization
of urban central planners, had high praise for the Kelo Court,
saying "eminent domain is critical to the economic growth and
development of cities and towns throughout the country."
from: http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1757"
"That statesman, who should attempt to direct private people in
what manner they ought to employ their capitals, would not only
load himself with a most unnecessary attention, but assume an
authority which could safely be trusted, not only to no single
person, but to no council or senate whatever, and which would
nowhere be so dangerous as in the hands of a man who had folly and
presumption enough to fancy himself fit to exercise it."
Adam Smith - Wealth of Nations
I've been waiting for another ED thread to use that in.
jf,
You shouldn't mouth off about subjects you clearly have no actual
knowledge about.
You've never spent an hour of life looking at urban development
patterns, have you?
After careful consideration, I've decided to only state that your
post shed more heat than light. I'd be more than willing to rebut
an actual point you had made, but responding to my basic economic
point with some arcane reference to "urban development patterns"
leaves me clueless as to what you are trying to say.
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