Are Food Trucks Really Like Child Molesters?

California law would ban nouveau chuckwagons from locating near schools.

The food police division of the California General Assembly is at it again, and this time the fella who knows the least about culture and food in blossoming metropoles is having the loudest say. Assemblyman Bill Monning (D-27) has declared food trucks an enemy of the state, a destroyer of schools, and buster of belts.

Monning hails from the hamlet of Carmel, which is known as much for its food trucks as it is for its hip-hop massage parlors. You can't swing a dead cat in downtown Carmel without hitting a soap store or a charming B&B. Monning hates your tastebuds. He has crafted an idiotic piece of nonsense called AB 1678 that seeks to ban food trucks from setting up within 1,500 feet of public schools. That is a perimeter only 500 feet smaller than the one imposed on dangerous child molesters. Monning's explicit motivation? "California’s children face unprecedented levels of obesity," he's written, and by banning food trucks, he is simply "engag[ing]parents, students, school personnel and mobile food vendors in shaping a solution."

Food trucks have proliferated out of necessity and convenience. I cannot tell you the sheer joy of walking a screaming newborn and coaxing a reluctant bulldog around the block while starving and sleep-deprived with engorged breasts threatening to geyser—and then having the good luck of running into a food truck. There is something inherently healing about a chorizo-and-egg taco, hot sauce running down your tired chin when your sanity and will to brave an entire sit-down meal have left you.

The luscious lure of delicious on-the-go chow is an old one, and the explosion of the food-truck culture is hardly mysterious to anyone whose palate has been challenged by something truly adventurous and inspired from within the corrugated walls of a rolling eatery. Whether it's cupcakes, humbow, Vietnamese/Mexican fusion, vegan, or grilled cheese, cooks and connoisseurs have taken up the challenge in places ranging from Los Angeles to Seattle to New York to Miami. Food restrictions are nothing new, especially in the land of totalitarian school czars who banned whole milk and Gatorade from cafeterias almost a decade ago, and a state where trans fat and Robitussin have been categorized as Class 1 drugs. Who knew food truck operators were the new playground drug kingpins, mainlining corn syrup and lard into unwitting young veins?

Well, they're not. Food trucks are a prime example of a free-market reflection of creativity and culture. As everyone fancies themselves the next Tom Collichio, Wylie Dufresne, or Anthony Bourdain thanks to the popularity of shows like Top Chef and No Reservations, we all want to try something different and stretch the limits of our mouths, man. But who has the scratch to drop $700 at Craft?

(Article continues below video: "Taco Truck Takedown: Why Is the LAPD Hassling Food Carts?")

Gourmet food trucks allow you to nibble on crafted morsels under the stars and reward mobile tinkerers for their vision and vittles. They let you support local economies and add good grub to your lives. And they have come a long, long way from 19th-century chuckwagons rolling over unpaved, unsafe trails. Nowadays, the trucks and their chefs de cuisine are brave enough to roam the mean streets of white suburbia and dish up Korean pork-belly tacos that Kim Jong-un will never comprehend. The evolution of food trucks is the equivalent of Jack In The Box turning into the French Laundry or Chez Panisse. Vizzi's has truffle flavored popcorn, Umami will make you want to punch an old hobo for one of their port-and-Stilton burgers, and let's not get started on the fetishists who turn up their noses at the Kogi truck as they obsess over Korean barbecue. This stuff is creative, relatively inexpensive, and super competitive. It's got to be better than Waffle House grits at 2 a.m.

So why on earth would anyone stand in the way of gastronomical progress with silly, poorly conceived legislation aimed at saving kids from access to good food?

Because assembly people are bored and useless as pee-flavored lollipops, and they feel the only way to earn their salaries is to write new bills that waste time, money, and kill industry in the name of lookin' out for the fat kids. "We can move to protect our children and the public heath of future Californians now," frets Monning. "Or we can all pay for it later." But this type of heavy handed food intervention never works, and it eats away at a liberty more basic than speech: the freedom to choose what we put in our bodies. Or let our kids put into theirs.

There is no more sacred relationship than that of the stuff which crosses your vestibule by your own choosing. Why is some kook from Carmel telling you not to enjoy your delicious, intoxicatingly inspired ingestibles if they are hawked less than 1,500 feet from any public school? I don't know if you've been to San Francisco, L.A., or Orange County lately, but there are a ton of public schools. Some are empty not because the kids are out chasing the Bollywood Bites truck but because they're bad schools with crappy teachers who've let themselves become chattel to an oppressive union.

If losing children to food trucks is that big of a problem, I'd invest a little more time and energy in figuring out the glitches and holes in public schools. Or, better yet, encourage school choice and charter options across the board. Encourage prosperity and ingenuity, don't smother it with the dry and fussy teat of big, ineffectual government. Coq-au-vin-blocking mobile meal units does nothing to protect children and stave off childhood obesity (note that Monning's ban doesn't shutter brick-and-mortar convenience stores). It does, however, discourage yet another fledgling sector from thriving in California, a state headed for a fiscal meltdown faster than flaming Athens, and one that's flying to hell on a hand cart loaded down with the highly regulated and super-fatty food served up in the Golden State's K-12 cafeterias.

At least whatever they serve in hell has to be better than what they're forcing on these whelps in school.

Kennedy is host of 98.7 FM’s Music in the Morning in Los Angeles. 

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  • Christina||

    Oh California, you are becoming a parody of yourself.

  • Gamboling Tastebuds||

    Once the gambol lockdown begins, there's just no end to the evolution of city-Statism's domination.

    "Civilization originates in conquest abroad and repression at home." ~Stanley Diamond, In Search of the Primitive: A Critique of Civilization, page 1, first sentence

    "There is no going back to Eden." ~Kirkpatrick Sale, After Eden: The Evolution of Human Domination, p. 137

  • Phat Indian||

    Good spoof...and in the culinary realm!

  • anon||

    Good afternoon, Mary Stack!

  • Anacreon||

    Is that circa-1980s Matt Dillon in that video?

  • Moogle||

    Someone please help us! Send troops! Please! Liberate us! We can repay in citrus and porn stars!

  • ||

    Funny when I was going to high school in Cali during the mid80s they had a food truck on site specifically because my school didn't have a proper cafeteria and food handling setup. How times change.

  • Christ on a Cracker||

    Thomas, I'll see your high school food truck and raise you the smoking area in my high school (Upstate New York in the 1970's)

  • ||

    "noveau"?

  • anarch||

    ...noardiss.

  • ||

    Kennedy is a breath of the freshest air . thanks for giving her the breaks . . more and more please

  • AlmightyJB||

    That was a great article. Funny stuff. "Useless as pee flavored lollipops":). That's classic.

  • ||

    coq-a-vin blocking was decent too.

  • Valkor||

    Don't know if it's classic, as I've never heard it before, but it's definitely my new favorite simile.

  • anarch||

    Are Food Trucks Really Like Child Molesters?

    Ie, supplying a labor pool for the TSA?

  • Southerner||

    What we really need is a law that treats government like a child molester, and forbids it from coming within 2000 miles of a school.

  • ||

    How dare anyone threaten to compete with the school cafeteria!

  • city-Statism civilization 4 ya||

    "Agriculture creates government." ~Richard Manning, Against the Grain, p.73

  • tarran||

    So, Mary Stack, how do your daughters know about your childish behavior?

    Do they find it embarassing?

    Or do you keep it secret from them?

  • AlmightyJB||

    Who's Mary Stack?

  • BakedPenguin||

    It's rectal's real name.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Huh. Thx. How did this revolation come about? Did someone already have pictures of her?

  • ||

    Can you show us on the doll where the food truck touched you?

  • ||

    A good one.

  • ||

    Can you show us on the doll? Damn funny! Thanks

  • ||

    Also, the biggest thing they could do immediately to combat child obesity is to kill the hot lunch program and feed kids sandwiches and salads for lunch instead of spagetti and meat sauce. Probably the number one cultural factor leading to obesity is the common notion that a full hot meal at lunch is normal and healthy.

    Lunch should be a light meal, not a three course dinner with cake for dessert.

  • ||

    Or they could just admit that governmental determinations and regulation pertaining to diet is entirely unjustifiable and immoral and stop fucking with people.

    When pigs shit sapphires, I guess.

  • You against Gambol Lockdown?||

    Cool, res. I applaud your taking a swing at city-Statism.

    Do you too think it is horrible how self-styled libertarians equate starving people into working in fields, factories, offices, and armies of the elite capitalists to "liberty" and "improving their condition"?

  • That post has||

    nothing to do with the subject at hand, Godesky.

  • The thin blue whine||

    governmental determinations and regulation = gambol lockdown

    go whine to your mommy, f1bertarian

  • Prozac Lockdown||

    Someone is still refusing to take their meds...

  • Comrade Political Officer ||

    Da, comrade, political dissent is always a mental disease.

    I applaud your strike against the Enemies of the city-State!

  • Phat Indian||

    Now we're mixing our trolls....that's pure rectal!

  • Phat Indian||

    We should all listen to my primitive tribal band mate for hie neo-cortex is the largest of all.

    Dances with Ho Ho's is truly wise!

  • Domestication Head Shrinkers||

    It's what happens to domesticated animals -- they're artificially selected for docility.

    Our Brains Are Shrinking. Are We Getting Dumber?
    www.npr.org/2011/01/02/1325912.....ing-dumber

  • NPR as a source? *snicker*||

  • Fundie Creationist||

    Thanks for your contempt of science, market fundamentalist. We have much in common.

  • I'm all for science.||

    Just not bullshit science.

  • Fundie Creationist||

    Thanks for your acceptence of fundamentalist approved science, market fundamentalist. We have much in common.

    Come to the creationist museum and see how we deal with bullshit science.

  • You're in favor of||

    creationist science? What are you... a Republican?

  • For Farm, for City, for State||

    "Genocide might be kinder..." -Godesky

  • Phat Indian||

    C'mon baby gimme some sugar!

  • F1bertard gonna FIB!||

    Godesky didn't say that.

    But he did say this:

    "We cannot — must not — take away any individual’s choice. That choice is the last sacred thing we have left."

    ~Jason Godesky
    Thesis #28: Humanity will almost certainly survive.
    http://theanarchistlibrary.org.....heses.html

  • Phat Indian||

    Da, comrade, political dissent repeated self citation is always a mental disease.

    I applaud your strike against the Enemies of the city-State referring to oneself in third person!

  • ^why nobody takes you serious^||

  • anon||

    Mary Stack lives in Ft Worth, Texas. She also has downs apparently.

  • Badger||

    It always comes down to killing enough people with you cultists.

  • Killer Capitalist Cultists||

    Pol Pot wanted to:

    (a) "restart civilization"
 of the Khmer empire
    (b) by emptying and cleansing Phnom Penh of liberal influences

    (c)and punishing and starving out philosophically undesirable people he regarded as subhumans

    (d) at Year Zero.

    Ayn Rand wanted also to:

    (a) restart Western civilization
    
(b) by emptying and cleansing New York of liberal influences

    (c)and punishing and starving out philosophically undesirable people she regarded as subhumans

    (d) with a wave of the dollar brand cigarette.

    Not much difference. But what else would you expect from a philosophical movement inspired by a serial child killer?

  • ||

    God, you can't make this shit up. Wait....you just did.

  • ||

    A is B.

    Some C are B.

    C is A.

    Brilliant.

  • This Dave||

    I remember the time Ayn Rand called for the murder of anyone who disagreed with her in Tuol Sleng.

    Wait, no I don't, and neither does anyone else.

  • ||

    I love how this statist's attack on the libertarian free-market includes the government. It's so entrenched in his thinking that he doesn't even see it. All the sins attributed to "elite capitalists" are absolutely impossible without the force of the state.

    Likewise, he takes a voluntary association and creates the illusion of force, because this helps justify actual force.

    He talks about starving people, and who has done that better than the state? Private enterprise makes everyone richer, while the state survives by creating nothing, living off the products of others and making everyone poorer. The state has repeatedly starved people.

    Like FDR did when he had 6 million pigs destroyed to "help the farmers", or when Stalin starved Ukraine into submission.

    Never mind that the free market has improved lifespans and quality of life everywhere it has been tried.

  • FDR||

    Those pigs had it coming. They were Nazi sympathizers.

  • tarran||

    The person you are arguing is someone named Mary Stack who is very angry that people dared to disagree with her on the Internet.

  • Fibertard Dishonest or Stupid?||

    Mike|3.25.12 @ 12:36PM|#
    I love how this statist's

    It's rather dishonest or stupid to call somebody a statist who advocates a non-state lifeway.

    Especially when you advocate city-Statism (civilization) yourself.

    So which is it, Mike? Are you dishonest or stupid?

  • tarran||

    One thing that comes out of your postings, Mary Stack of Texas, is your childish rage when people say things that you don't like, and an infantile desire to bully them into submission?

    Mary, where you bullied as a child by the adults in your life?

  • fish||

    Okay Tarran, I'll bite who is this last, in a long line of Godesky impersonators?

  • ||

    Oh, reeeeeeeeaaaally? So we know for sure the real-world identity of this annoying troll? *IF* we do (and I pray that it is true), then I think we need to gather all the information about her that we can, condense it into a single post, and post that information in every thread she defiles. That should make her stop, because eventually Googling her real name will bring up her ravings here, and does she want her employers/friends/boyfriends knowing all that?

  • ||

    Some Googling does turn up a protected blog (sinville-sinville.blogspot.com) that has connections to rather and to Twitter user MSTACK60. By Jove, I think we're onto something!

  • ||

    The Twitter account seems to have been deleted, but here are her tweets: http://topsy.com/twitter/mstack60

  • ||

    mstack60MARY STACK
    I have a 24% chance of surviving an intense lovemaking session with bigfoot! http://theoatmeal.com/quiz/bigfoot_love from @oatmeal

    Apparently rather was so hard up for cock, that she was researching the odds of surviving a hook up with Steve Smith.

  • ||

    and does she want her employers/friends/boyfriends knowing all that?

    Friends? Doubtful
    Employers? Doubtful
    Boyfriends? Aiden wouldn't like that one bit

    She doesn't care. She's a fucking sociopath. That's why she's here again today.

  • ||

    Ah, but she's a psychopath using pseudonyms. If her cover is thoroughly blown, maybe she'll stop. Or maybe we can just get revenge. Since we know her address, maybe she needs lots and lots of magazine and catalog subscriptions....

  • ||

  • ||

    Her Blogger profile with Hotmail address: http://www.blogger.com/profile.....5277817340

  • ||

    Very possibly a picture of her: https://www.facebook.com/mcstack1

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

  • ||

    What am I supposed to be looking at? I see no pictures there.

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    Sorry. SF'd the link. Try this instead.

  • ||

    Ah, you are correct, so my Facebook link is someone else. Still, we have a lot of information now.

  • Jackalope||

    North Korea. Your argument is invalid.

  • Kerberos||

    Only problem with that is that there are kids out there who's only hot meal of the day is the lunch they get at school.

  • Really?||

    California's social services (WIC, food stamps, section 8, etc...) allow for a middle class lifestyle on public assistance. If children aren't being fed then perhaps the state should look into removing children from an abusive environment instead of enabling horrible parents by feeding dog shit to their kids and thereby perpetuating the neglect.

  • the state should||

    maybe you should do it

    I thought there was no state anyway, just individuals.

    Go ahead, do what you say should be done.

    Or are you just another f1bertarian bullshitter?

  • Or maybe,||

    You're upset because you took an arrow to the knee while rummaging through your moms purse searching for loose change so you could attempt a Slurpy run?

  • ^why nobody takes you serious^||

    Arrow In the Knee. Skyrim Guard Story.
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=yttRlNGkGSY

  • Are you implying||

    that anyone with a wisp of sanity would take you and your insane manifesto seriously? Project much pale injun?

  • psychological projection||

    Are you projecting that anyone with a wisp of sanity would never take you and your insane libertarian manifesto seriously?

  • anon||

    Jesus christ you're ugly. Whoever did your botox needs to do more of it.

    http://webcache.googleusercont.....ille-sinvi
    lle.blogspot.com/2010/10/mirror-mirror-on-wall.html+&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

  • ||

    Or maybe we should stop pretending that a "hot meal" is a nutritionally relevant distinction, rather than just a lame catchphrase.

    Not that it's relevant. Most food truck meals are served hot, aren't they?

  • Queen Hazel||

    Let them eat cold shoulder.

  • Phat Indian||

    It's probably better for them!

  • I Blame Videogames!||

    Lunch should be a light meal, not a three course dinner with cake for dessert.

    While I disagree that a hot meal for lunch increases obesity, I see no reason for dessert. Personally, I hated the starchy school cafeteria food so I took a bag lunch. College cafeteria food was very starchy too. Sugar and starch cause the body to release insulin and insulin stores it as fat. Lipohypertrophy, fat accumulating at overused insulin injection sites, is a clear demonstration of that happening.

  • ||

    Did you just describe SF's college experience?

  • I Blame Videogames!||

    Did you just describe SF's college experience?

    Heh! Nope, mine. Went in a muscular, slender 158 lbs, came out just tipping 200 after 4 years of having to eat dining hall food. I didn't know why I was gaining close to 10 lbs a year despite being very active.

  • Ska||

    Happy hour and five night a week binge drinking?

    That's what I'm sticking with for myself. :P

  • I Blame Videogames!||

    Wow, my weight would be in the Guinness Book of World Records from all those carbs! No, I drink so little some of my friends think I don't drink at all.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    I cannot tell you the sheer joy of walking a screaming newborn and coaxing a reluctant bulldog around the block while starving and sleep-deprived with engorged breasts threatening to geyser—and then having the good luck of running into a food truck.

    I started reading this article without looking at the byline, and since it's California- and food truck-related, I was assuming it was a Cavanaugh post. I enjoyed reading the above sentence in his voice.

  • ||

    Libertard sexism is well-known. Who else besides women do you hate, eh? Homosexual Latino immigrants?

  • 100 million people dead||

    Indeed, it is well known.

    "Libertarianism instructs states and individuals not to interfere with the perpetuation of sexism."

    A Feminist Libertarian Dilemma
    http://bleedingheartlibertaria.....n-dilemma/

  • And what, exactly...||

    ...does this bullshit have to do with banning food trucks?

  • It doesn't.||

    It likes to pretend it's making grand analogies, but in reality it just makes a fool of itself.

  • Got a problem with FREEdom?||

    Res Publica Americana|3.25.12 @ 11:03AM|#
    ...sexism...


    Ask ^^RES,^^ shit for brains. Why is it that only the guy beating you in philisophical debate can be accused of the horrible crime of off topic?

  • ||

    A ridiculous argument. There is nothing in libertarian doctrine keeping people from speaking out against sexism. The only way that would be true would be if the only way to "interfere" were to be physically keeping people from speaking, or throwing them in prison for it; which aren't things that are done AT ALL.

  • Or...||

    ...clog up the threads with White Indian bullshit... which is pretty much the same thing as interfering.

  • It does seem fixated||

    on its self-importance, when it COULD be out in the wild scrounging for a nosh.

  • ||

    What's wrong with sexism? It puts hair on people's chests...

  • ||

    I suppose you can call anything "well-known" and then state that it is categorically true. But of course that's a poor argument. A lie repeated enough times does not become true.

    Libertarians hate the state, not individuals. It's statists who want to categorize people to obfuscate their plundering of them.

  • libertarians love city-Statism||

    Libertarians are consummate city-statists always whining about how "WE NEED GOVERNMENT TO PROTECT [insert several] RIGHTS!"

  • ||

    Silly Publica, libertarians aren't bigots, we hate everyone EQUALLY.

  • fish||

    Equal Opportunity Haters

    It's a beautiful thing!

  • ||

    nice....

  • Ted S.||

    I figured it was Lucy. I'm waiting for her to use that line as alt-text.

  • ||

    The Deep Thinkers are thinking deeply this morning. Deeeeeeeply. Obviously, if only guns had been banned completely in this country, Trayvon Martin would still be alive today. And Stand Your ground is merely code for Rabbit Duck Nigger Season Opens Today.

    They do not seem to have noticed the creeping effects of the Total Paranoia State, or the possibility that the institutionalized assumption of guilt and a constant drumbeat of messages urging unrelenting suspicion might have played a role.

  • ||

    Wow- now George Will is making a complete gibbering ass of himself.

    "Those civilians will think they're just as good as HIGHLY TRAINED PROFESSIONAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS!"

    Stick to baseball, George.

  • ||

    Stick to baseball, George.

    Hilarious, coming from a narcissistic blog-commenting amateur.

  • ||

    "The gun is the problem!'

    Thanks, Cokie.

  • The Gun Shot Itself||

    Cokie is still on TV?

  • Food Truck Lover||

    Kennedy you should get out and visit a school. The fancy food trucks (korean bbq at school curbs?) you write about aren't what I see at schools. I see snack wagons and rinky ice cream trucks. I am all for someone making a buck and I love myself a korean burrito but that ain't what's happening here.

  • OK At 1501 Feet From School?||

    Korean Burrito for main course followed by Good Humor ice cream off the truck. Love it!

  • maybe just not at the curb?||

    and then chase that down with some pork rinds and an energy drink.

  • Anacreon||

    Pork rinds actually have no carbs, much less fat than chips or doritos, and lots of protein. I wouldn't use them as an example of a lethal snack.

  • Amakudari||

    Except schools are everywhere in the downtowns of California's cities. That's the issue with pedo perimeters and drug-free zones; they rarely protect schools and merely criminalize conduct in broad, arbitrary swaths of land.

    There are 160 public schools in San Francisco. Many of them are connected to neighborhoods, which means virtually every neighborhood, including commercial areas like the Financial District, will now have a blanket ban on a certain type of commercial activity emanating 3-4 blocks in any direction from every school.

    Heck, it's even from 6am - 6pm. It's not even a ban during lunch breaks, which are pretty uniform, or during school hours, which are much shorter.

  • Amakudari||

  • Phat Indian||

    My warrior brother Mary Stack was apparently playing paintball on the map!

  • Fluffy||

    So what?

    I don't really care if they're all Lard & Beer trucks.

  • ||

    It's like Woodstock for Hoplophobes on ABC This Morning.

  • Phat Indian||

    Welcome to inside the beltway excuse day!

    Back to you Bob!

  • ||

    Sunday network news-chat shows are so stupid I cannot stop seeing them and complaining about them in a chat room! Somebody stop me before I watch again!

  • shrike||

    Arbeit Macht Frei

  • ||

    tryllernd macht ejakulieren, schwachkopf.

  • ||

    I love how the idiot calls banning vendors "engaging them to help shape a solution."

  • ||

    It's the same theory as police engaging MJ dispensaries to help shape solutions by smashing down their doors, confiscating their legal product and arresting everyone there.

    It's the California progressive way.

  • are you primitivist, sloopy?||

    The progressivist sees nothing but misery in our past, a savage in our soul that must be denied and sublimated, and for our future, a cold, aloof godhood, an apotheosis by nanotechnology, and the alienation of dominion over the earth that precludes ever being part of it. The progressivist takes a very dim view of the human being indeed: her passions must be denied, her nature is savage and must be sublimated, her natural state is a never-ending Hobbesian nightmare.

    ~Jason Godesky
    5 Common Objections to Primitivism, and Why They’re Wrong
    http://theanarchistlibrary.org.....Wrong.html

  • ||

    ^^It's^^ immune to DDT. Looks like we're gonna have to nuke it from orbit after all.

  • Are u a progressivist, sloopy?||

    which way do you roll?

  • ||

    With a little lean to the left and a swagger that's a cool as a menthol cigarette.

  • Fluffy||

    for our future, a cold, aloof godhood, an apotheosis by nanotechnology, and the alienation of dominion over the earth that precludes ever being part of it.

    Like most of what you post, this sounds like it should mean something, but it really doesn't.

    You mistake poetic language for argument.

    For example, who cares if nanotechnological godhood is "cold and aloof"? What does that mean, exactly? Why should we care? This is clearly an attempt at a moral evaluation, but it's so utterly content-free as to be meaningless.

    Or this: alienation of dominion over the earth that precludes ever being part of it

    So what? Explain to me what is being lost. Describe and quantify it. How would I be part of it in the absence of dominion? Why should I value that?

  • juris imprudent||

    It is very sad that some people have the compulsion to shit in the living room.

  • If you can't debate, get irate||

  • juris imprudent||

    A smaller pile is still shit.

  • Why is food under lock n' key?||

    “The agricultural revolution just consisted of doing something full-time that people had been doing part-time for thousands of years. The real innovation of our revolution wasn’t growing the food, it was locking it up. Your revolution would have ground to a halt without that feature. It would grind to a halt today without that feature. There’s only one way you can force people to accept an intolerable lifestyle. You have to lock up the food.”

    ~Daniel Quinn
    Ishmael

  • Maybe because...||

    ...people have to spend money to grow food, have it picked or slaughtered, and have it packaged, shipped, and marketed?

    You want it free? Do it yourself, and shut the fuck up. Grow a garden. Get yourself a cow. Or forage for nuts and berries.

  • Daniel Quinn||

    I was an asshole for writing that. I should kill myself.

  • Michael Moore||

    I told Larry King that food is a human right, and should be free.

    But I was between between-snack meals, and my blood sugar was low, so I must have been saying a bunch of stupid shit.

  • If life is a right...||

    If
    life is a right
    and
    food is necessary to life
    then
    how can food not be a right?

  • Well, shit!||

    Let's just make EVERYFUCKINTHING "free".

    You'd like that, wouldn't you, fucker?

  • Got a problem with FREEdom?||

    LOL

    Fibertard shows how much he is against freedom, especially when it threatens his real agenda: profits.

  • So...||

    ...no one should ever get paid for what they do. Got it.

  • Communist Griefer||

    Profit is just like child molestation.

  • Libertarian = Communism||

    They're both agricultural city-Statist gambol lockdown advocates.

    One pretends to be about liberty. The other pretends to be about community.

    Officer, am I free to gambol about plain and forest to forage a free lunch?

    MARX: NO!
    MISES: NO!

  • Nothing stopping you.||

    Go. Hit the forest. Fuck a badger. Eat the mushrooms. Knock yourself out.

  • Fibertards = cityStatists||

    Civilization has precluded “running off into the woods” as an option fairly well. Hunting regulations pose serious encumberments, to say nothing of the fact that some meager income must be maintained to pay for hunting and fishing licenses, as well as taxes on land.

    ~Jason Godesky
    5 Common Objections to Primitivism, and Why They’re Wrong
    http://theanarchistlibrary.org.....Wrong.html

  • It's not going to change...||

    ...so give up. You're a fool.

  • Obama and Newt||

    "It's not going to change so give up. You're a fool."

    ~Obama and Newt, Team Blue and Team Red

  • Grasa Nativio||

    There I go again!

    You guys jerk off! I cite myself!

    All are satisfied!

  • Phat Indian||

    Hunting regulations.......?

    Since when does a serious warrior obey hunting regulations? Jason, I'm beginning to think you're the wrong "warrior" for this Gambol!

    Now just who is Mary Stack of Texas? She sounds positively dreamy!

  • Clearly, you're an idiot||

    Obviously, it has never been to the less populated parts of the country, as it could very easily "run off into the woods" and never be seen again for the rest of its miserable life. Which is liable to be a very short span of time, given that its ignorance demonstrates that it is a piss-poor outdoorsman which has lived in the cItY its entire self-hating existence.

  • Aggression is profitable||

    And Fibertarians love both.

  • Work for free, then.||

    If you hate "profit" so much... refuse your paychecks. Give them to charity. Cash them and burn the money. Whatever makes you happy.

  • you mad bro?||

    If you hate "gummit" so much... refuse to use public roads and schools. Whatever makes you happy.

  • Nothing...||

    ...makes White Indolent happy. Even the mass suicide of every Evil White Person wouldn't make White Indolent happy.

  • you mad bro?||

    Nothing makes Fibertard happy. Even the mass suicide of every Evil Gummit Person wouldn't make Fibertard happy.

  • Hold on there...||

    ...you're wrong. We'd be all for mass governmenticide.

  • Oh really?||

    Ready to go back to the stone age, before agricultural city-Statism (civilization?)

  • You first, child-fucker.||

  • The kid has it coming.||

    Especially if it's a white kid.

  • KPres||

    According to that logic, life isn't a right, since everybody dies.

  • Michael Moore||

    I told Larry King that food is a human right...

    From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs!

    My needs, much like Jason Godeskys, are substantial! You all best get to cultivatin!

  • are you primitivist, sloopy?||

    "Food was once no more owned than the air or the sunshine are owned. No other culture in history has ever put food under lock and key—and putting it there is the cornerstone of your economy, because if the food wasn’t under lock and key, who would work? If it’s all owned, if you want some, you’ll have to buy it.”

    ~Daniel Quinn
    Ishmael

    You got something against a free lunch, f1bertarian?

    Oh, right, you do! Because nobody would work in the capitalist elite's field, factory, office, or army if they weren't starved into submission.

  • Sounds to me...||

    ...*you* want slave labor in exchange for your daily Frito Pie rations.

  • Those TwInkies||

    don't manufacture themselves!

  • HeroicMulatto||

    Remember folks, when he complains about food being "under lock and key". it's because he looks like this.

  • anon||

    It's actually rather, who is Mary Stack it has been revealed.

    And man, she's uglier than Godesky.

    http://webcache.googleusercont.....clnk&gl=us

  • HeroicMulatto||

    It's actually rather, who is Mary Stack it has been revealed.

    And man, she's uglier than Godesky.

    Hole Lee Shit!

    Excellent application of forensic linguistics, gentlemen!

  • Ah, no||

    That's an attractive GMILF right there. Great figure.

  • a regular||

    She's not a GMILF, but she is kind of a MILF. I'm not sure where the "she's ugly" crowd is coming from.

  • Fluffy||

    Your revolution would have ground to a halt without that feature.

    Why?

  • robc||

    I still find the concept of schools allowing students to leave campus during lunch odd.

  • ||

    It took me so long to get used to this, robc. Growing up where my high school was a building instead of an open campus likely shaped the view that kids should stay in school the entire school day. But after being exposed to California's high school campuses, I kinda like them being able to leave. As a matter of fact, I'm looking for a loophole in the driving age law so I can get my daughter a license early. I figure: the more time she spends away from the school each day the better.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    It's bad enough, the kids have to be herded into those godawful buildings in the first place. Why not let them escape for a bit each day?

  • R||

    I'm still weirded out by the fact that many schools WON'T you leave for lunch. That would make it feel even more like a prison

    Growing up, both my junior high and high schools were open campuses. Hell, they didn't even care if you left campus during breaks between classes, provided you could somehow make it back before the ten minutes were up. I walked and then eventually drove home (or to the store or the deli, if I had cash) for lunch every single day.

  • If Only||

    "I cannot tell you the sheer joy of walking a screaming newborn and coaxing a reluctant bulldog around the block while starving and sleep-deprived with engorged breasts threatening to geyser—and then having the good luck of running into a food truck."

  • Joe M||

    Just wanted to mention that I can't remember the last time there were this many weekend posts on H&R. I'm thinking four is a record.

  • The Pointer-Outer||

    The fact that anyone would compare child molestation to anything BUT child molestation, shows how desperate their political goals make them act.

  • Federal Prosecutor Barr||

    Another strike against Barr: he's a former CIA official and a former federal prosecutor. "To Libertarians," one of his opponents told me, "that's like being a child molester."

    Can the Libertarians Go Mainstream?
    www.time.com/time/politics/art.....84,00.html

    And the 100% losing streak goes on!

  • It beats...||

    ...voting R or D.

  • Fuck off troll||

    Just proves what a collectivist idiot you are to think that what an anonymous political opponent of Barr said somehow indicts all libertarians. Fucking moron. Let's look at the original quote:

    The fact that anyone would compare child molestation to anything BUT child molestation, shows how desperate their political goals make them act.

    So yeah, one of Barr's opponents was desperate. That has nothing to do with this article, and your relentless need to troll with non sequitur bullshit just shows what a lonely, miserable, dying for attention bastard you truly are.

  • The Pointer-Outer||

    Are we talking about Bob Barr? I had no thought of him when I wrote that post above.

  • Ska||

    But why would that matter? :P

  • you mad bro?||

  • ||

    The next phase of Indycar's slow-motion suicide is about to begin.

    Hurrah.

  • Binky||

    Follow the money.

  • ||

    If it ate a better diet, instead of twigs and leaves, maybe it wouldn't leave a rancid smear of runny shit behind it everywhere it goes.

  • Rancid Pee Brooks||

    Got something against FREEdom, Pee Brooks?

  • juris imprudent||

    Actually I believe the rancid shit stain is from not doing as she preaches. But shitting all over the living room does get people's attention, even if that attention is only revulsion.

  • If life is a right...||

    If life is a right
    and
    if food is necessary to life
    then
    how can food not be a right?

  • ||

    Yesterday, I visited a spa open house and decided to have a consultation. OK, I think I need Botox! The physician asked me where I had my cheeks done. I have never had any work up till two days ago when I convinced another Dr. to fill in my laugh lines.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Mary, you're so pathetic, it's amazing that you don't just off yourself right now.

  • If life is a right...||

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    episiarch, you're so pathetic, it's amazing that you don't just off yourself right now.

  • ||

    What is it about turning fifty that makes a woman panic? Do men feel the same way? Or, am I from the generation whose teen years are irrevocably influenced by the proliferation of female fashion magazines? Am I having my own Manchurian Candidate moment? I think I am onto something, between the pictures, and the advice, I've been hypnotized!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    This shit is fucking gold.

  • ||

    Mary, you're so pathetic, it's amazing that you don't just off yourself right now.

    I'm wiling to play the role of Jack Kevorkian. Any objections?

  • ||

    None here.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    I'll chip in on the supplies!

  • ||

    Is this "Mary" fella one of Godesky's minions?

  • Phat Indian||

    At this point we're not sure who has whose hand up whose ass!

  • Is...||

    ...cable TV a right?
    ...a nice, shiny new car a right?
    ...a phone or a computer a right?
    ...a pair of shoes a right?
    ...a roof over your head a right?

    Go on, tell us how all that can be "free".

  • If life is a right...||

    * Is cable TV necessary to life?
    * Is a nice, shiny new car necessary to life?

    Oh, you forgot that part. Or did you just deliberately evade it, F1bertarian?

  • I notice that...||

    ...you only focused on the car and cable TV, so apparently you view phones and computers as "necessary to life".

  • He also||

    left out "Twinkies" and "Cheetos", so he must think those should be free, too.

  • If life is a right...||

    I noticed that you are still evading the necessary to life to life part, Fibertarian.

    I don't think I need to list again all the things that you posit that aren't necessary to life.

  • Have you voluntarily||

    given up anything and everything not "necessary to life"?

    If you're truly going to live the shackbrah life, you need to clean up your own act before lecturing us about ours.

    Or die in a fire.

  • I vote for||

    him dying in a fire. Get straight to it, White Idiot. You'll be doing the planet a favor.

  • Fluffy||

    You are perfectly entitled to any food that doesn't require me to labor, or give you anything on which I have previously labored.

    Because you'd need a right to more than "food" in the abstract to get that. You'd need a right to my labor.

  • A mathematician ||

    It is a right. You are surrounded by an unimaginably large amount of protons, neutrons, and electrons, which you can happily re-arrange into whatever compounds you desire that will fit your dietary needs.

    Or you can get your food by taking life away from another biological organism, but that would violate your premise.

  • ||

    Holy fuck. The tweener emo grief-fest over Wheldon drags on.

    Get up on your back legs, you pathetic whining pussies.

  • fibertarians hate pussies||

    that's why you never get any

  • HeroicMulatto||

    Huh? Did he die or something?

  • HeroicMulatto||

    This is the human Pillsbury doughboy that introduced the bill, by the way.

  • mad libertarian guy||

    Is WI out looking for outside recognition of his trolling? Like a "Most Epic Troll" award or something? You'd think after months of posting the same shut over and over he'd get bored, but it isn't the primitsrd message he's trying to spread, it's the grief. The entire point is to troll for trolling's sake, and, unfortunately for the not crazy in the room, he's really fucking dedicated to his craft. Is there a way to kill it? Yes. Too bad many here simply can't resist engaging with it.

  • anon||

    It's actually Mary Stack. It's also ugly.

    http://webcache.googleusercont.....clnk&gl=us

  • HOLY HELL||

    That is one fugly bitch.

  • ||

    Do you guys think we could rid ourselves of Supertroll Extraordinaire if we all chipped in and shipped a fuckload of sleeping pills to his/her doorstep and home he/she's stupid enough to eat them all?

  • anon||

    Well, she is 51 years old. She may be having suicidal thoughts already.

    What we could do, is ship her a fuckload of narcotics, and call the police on her. Get her in just enough legal trouble to either send her to prison for a while or at the very least give her something better to do while she and her lawyer fend off the charges.

  • ||

    Trolling I get. Fine. But fuck me, literally months and months of unyielding, ferociously repetitive trolling? How much fucking patience and free time does the troll have?

    Also, are you absolutely sure it's her?

  • fish||

    Well shit...John might actually be right, in that we could possibly owe Godesky an apology of sorts!

    Hmmph!

  • anon||

    Yeah, I really need to send a letter to his work apologizing for sending him those 1500 catalogs.

  • fish||

    Well....yes! That would require an extraordinary amount of sayin sorry!

    Jess sayin!

  • ||

    Yes, but in our defense, Godesky is an ideological midget that deserves our scorn for wanting to destroy individual freedom...and about 95% of the world's population. Fuck him.

  • Phat Indian||

    Yeah but Intellectual dwarfism isn't a crime....you'd have to execute 60% of the citizenry if it was. If the case has indeed been cracked though Mary is one miserable cunt...likes to throw bombs and direct the return fire towards the short school bus!

    You've come a long way baby!

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    My gut instinct is that there is a genuine WI (Godesky) which occasionally does troll Hit & Run. But I believe rather/Mary takes up the mantle and continues the trolling to extreme levels. Mary/rather is the troll that copy/pastes your post and then twists the wording, injects a reference to city-state or agriculture to make it seem relevant.

  • you asked for it, you got it||

  • FWIW||

    Link to the post?

    In any case, I can tell you that the IP addresses and your geolocation of them is correct (100%).

  • anon||

    http://reason.com/archives/201.....e#comments

    It's towards the end of the thread where it picks up steam.

  • FWIW||

    So here, basically. And she left her zip code, too.

    Huh.

  • anon||

    There is only one word for this, and it was given to us by a great man.

    WINNING!

  • fanning the flames||

  • dammit||

  • Mr. Saveloy||

    That's not what it said. It referenced "...someone that I cite..." or "...one of the people that I cite..."

    It's true that White Indian cites lots of the neo-primitivist/green-anarchist leading lights (though most often Godesky). But if anything that points more to true believer (Godesky) than shit-stirrer (Stack/Rather).

  • ||

    I don't think it is. At least it's not solely her. It's just practically impossible to be as fast as the troll is for it to be one person.

    Personally, I think it's a DDoS attack by the commentators from some progressive hack-site that we've made to look stupid in the recent past.

  • ||

    Slate, perhaps? Those cheesedicks are sufficiently militant and retarded to pull something like this.

  • anon||

    Normally, I'd agree sloopy. But Mary went through and DELETED FUCKING EVERYTHING. Her twitter, facebook, etc. She has no more online presence, which suggests that we've struck mightily close to home.

  • ||

  • mad libertarian guy||

    Personally, I think it's a DDoS attack by the commentators from some progressive hack-site that we've made to look stupid in the recent past.

    Me too.

    It seems to me to be some sort of "Occupy Hit n Run" scheme designed specifically to make the threads incoherent and perhaps convince a few of us to not come here. Regardless of the culprits, I'm reasonably satisfied that it's more than one.

  • ||

    "Regardless of the culprits, I'm reasonably satisfied that it's more than one."

    There are people that spend 18 hours of each day smashing their keyboards on discussion forums. It could be that sort of asshole here, but that would be beyond sad, so I'm just hoping it's a DDoS attack.

  • you're still here?||

  • ||

    "Regardless of the culprits, I'm reasonably satisfied that it's more than one."

    There are people that spend 18 hours of each day smashing their keyboards on discussion forums. It could be that sort of asshole here, but that would be beyond sad, so I'm just hoping it's a DDoS attack.

  • ||

    That's one way to clog up threads, that's for sure. Another one is double-posting.

  • you're still here?||

  • ||

    I smell Media Matters.

  • Phat Indian||

    Do you guys think we could rid ourselves of Supertroll Extraordinaire if we all chipped in and shipped a fuckload of sleeping pills to his/her doorstep and home he/she's stupid enough to eat them all?

    Well that depends. If we send them to "Mary" she'll probably only take enough of them to make it look like a pathetic cry for help (Perhaps we can dispatch Epi for "counseling") if it's Jason, the only way he takes enough to do anything final is if we stencil little Hostess logos on the capsules!

  • ||

    If you guys are going to send them, please make sure to remove the child-safety cap first. I don't think either of those two personalities could figure how to get the bottle opened.

  • ||

    Maybe trying to comprehend the cap's mechanism will cause their walnut-sized brains to melt, ridding us of their plague.

  • Epi killed the Alliterationbot||

    Four foot tall pears, pleasingly plump, perfectly prepared, possibly, to plummet perilously from their precarious perches and pummel any passing pedestrian to a pasty, putrid pulp

  • ||

    Please post only pertinent personal and/or political pedagogy.

  • ||

    Fuck alliteration. I'm a mother-fucking rebel, breakin' your bitch-ass trends. Whatcha gonna do about it, punk?

  • let's admit it...||

    ...libertarians are for liberty about as much as communists are for community.

    Both are really about a revolution of unfettered greed and power.

  • KOCHsucker rage||

    ...it's fun to watch.

  • ||

    Yesterday, I visited a spa open house and decided to have a consultation. OK, I think I need Botox! The physician asked me where I had my cheeks done. I have never had any work up till two days ago when I convinced another Dr. to fill in my laugh lines.

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    (takes breath)

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    You stupid, pathetic, ass-ugly loser.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • fish||

    OK, I think I need Botox!

    I don't remember this dialogue from "Dances with Wolves"?

  • ||

    If we all admit it, will you leave? I mean, you've made your point. You should move on to another site to spread your gospel.

    Who's with me in agreeing?

  • ||

    I'm with you. We're all total pricks and city-statists, and our goal is really to enslave the Cherokee tribes and fuck trees with napalm-covered strap-ons. We hate nature, gambol liberty, and we fucking love privation property.

    We're unabashedly totalitarian, and we hate negroes to boot.

    Will that suffice?

  • ||

    and we hate negroes to boot.

    Sir, you are talking to a nigger!

  • fish||

    Sloop,

    To let you in on a little family secret.....my grandmother was Dutch!

    Just trying to help you out!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7QF32mxftE

  • ||

    They made it 4 lines into the movie before they went racist. Two lines later they do it to a second race.

    I'm so glad that movie was made back then, because pitching it to a studio today would get someone blacklisted. The reaction from the theatergoers would be more like the Watts riots.

  • fish||

    The reaction from the theatergoers would be more like the Watts riots.

    Other than the knee jerk that comes preinstalled in any discussion about race I don't see why? Good natured, bright black protagonist. Idiotic and two dimensional foils for our hero. Employment of all the common stereotypes...handled fairly deftly...It's twue, It's Twue!!! Greasy puppetmaster using government behind the scenes....No, that's Headley! Chaotic but but entertaining final scene and goofily happy ending!

    What's not to like?

    The feel good movie of the season!

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    What attracted me to libertarianism at first was the freedom, individual liberty, and voluntary association. Later, as I discovered the true motives of libertarians, I became excited about the free reign to squeeze profits from the poor, take property from the Indians, and enslave the masses through agriculture. The racism is really just a bonus. Someday, through the power of libertarianism, I hope to have a pair of slippers made out of Korean babies.

    There. I've said it. WI was right all along. And I am ashamed of myself, and my political, philosophical, and economic decisions.

    White Indian is now free to go to a new website, and begin the conversion of city-statists there.

  • juris imprudent||

    I only became a libertarian because I look so good in tophat and monocle. If others have to suffer for that, well so be it.

  • If life is a right...||

    If life is a right, and
    If food, air, water, and shelter are necessary to life, then
    How can food, air, water, and shelter not be a right?

  • If food is a right||

    How can the land/equipment/child laborers necessary to raise/grow it not be a right?

  • If shelter is a right||

    How can the land/tools/child laborers necessary to build it not be a right?

  • If equipment is a right||

  • If chinese factories r a right||

  • Is life a right?||

  • Yup, but it's||

    Not our fault if you're too stupid to exercise it. You have the right to free speech too, doesn't mean I have to pay for your pen and paper.

  • It is a right. ||

    You are surrounded by an unimaginably large amount of protons, neutrons, and electrons, which you can happily re-arrange into whatever compounds you desire that will fit your dietary needs.

    Or you can get your food by taking life away from another biological organism, but that would violate your premise.

  • Jerryskids||

    Not that this has anything to do with what we're talking about, but the idea of banning food trucks near schools has nothing to do with the children. It's rent seeking by the bricks-and-mortar restaurants.

    We have laws here that prohibit street vending food. Every year the downtown restaurants get together and have a "Taste of..." event to attract customers downtown. They set up little booths on the sidewalks and sell samples of their food. Somehow that doesn't qualify as street vending of food.

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    Yeah, the bill was proposed by the rep. from Carmel. The entire economy on the Monterey Peninsula is predicated on tourism. I'm sure the local brick and mortar's had more to do with this than any concern for fat kids.

  • ||

    It seems to me to be some sort of "Occupy Hit n Run" scheme designed specifically to make the threads incoherent and perhaps convince a few of us to not come here. Regardless of the culprits, I'm reasonably satisfied that it's more than one.

    There is obviously some sort of massive butthurt grudge driving it. I have no idea how or why anybody could sustain the frenzy of hate necessary to produce the sheer number of posts.

    But I'm not an obsessive-compulsive person.

  • If you can't debate, get irate||

  • ||

    the frenzy of hate necessary to produce the sheer number of posts

    Your lack of self-awareness is breathtaking.

    But I'm not an obsessive-compulsive person.

    Says the guy who's here all day, posting hundreds of comments.

  • Phat Indian||

    There is obviously some sort of massive butthurt grudge driving it.

    The Epi rejection! Hell hath no fury than a BOTOX junkie scorned!

  • Mary Stack||

  • ||

    Wow, Mary. Your house and land are worth $204,000. The bitch of it was losing $30k from 2008 to 2009.

    Now is that a typical value of a 4BR/3BA 3316 SF house in the DFW area? I mean, I know it's an irregular shape, but the good exterior brick work and the above-average built-in appliances and fireplace should more than offset it.

  • ||

    Wow. Your obsessive stalking is getting creepier and creepier, Schmoopy.
    Who's the sick one in this relationship?

  • ||

    Let's change the subject before I get myself banned.
    Um...did you know I'm getting married?!

  • Lawsuit||

    Are you saying that providing links to the personal information of an individual for the purpose of intimidation and harassment is grounds for getting banned here? The next couple of days should be interesting.

  • A. A. Wolk||

    I'll take the case! I'd LOVE to sue the hell out of the Nazis at Reason!

  • The Shepard||

    Get the fuck out of the sheep pen!

  • ||

    Who's the sick one in this relationship?

    We're in a relationship? That's news to me.

  • Adamson||

    I'd be happy for this bill. The county in which I live, just to the east of LA, bans food trucks entirely - and has done so since 1980.

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    Why do you want food trucks banned?

  • ||

    Res Publica Americana|3.25.12 @ 3:00PM

    There are people that spend 18 hours of each day smashing their keyboards on discussion forums. It could be that sort of asshole here, but that would be beyond sad...

    Oh my.

  • Mr. Saveloy||

    There's an easy way to put the Stack/Godesky question to rest. If WI's IP is Texas, then it's Stack. If it's Pennsylvania, Godesky. If neither, then a 3rd party. That's all Reason has to reveal, the general location of the IP of the griefer. My money is still on Godesky.

  • Reese||

    "[A] study was conducted by Elizabeth Rigby of George Washington University and Rachel Tolbert Kimbro of Rice University. The two found that in cities with a high cost of living, children of families on food stamps—or the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, as it is now called—had elevated body mass indexes (BMIs), a key measure of obesity...

    "Another study appearing in the Journal of Human Resources (subscription required) suggests that the National School Lunch Program, which reportedly “provides meals that adhere to nutritional requirements,” results in "much higher rates of obesity than [are found in] children who bring lunch from home." "

  • Reese||

    Turns out those starving poor kids that Newt Gingrich wants to force back into child labor are one of the main drivers of the childhood obesity epidemic -and their food choices are shaped by the federal government.

  • ||

    their food choices are shaped by their PARENTS

  • AlgerHiss||

    Anyone ever watch Gordon Ramsey's "Kitchen Nightmares"?

    What sometimes appears to be some high end, fancy-schmancy eatery, Ramsey finds their refrigerators and freezers filled with rotten, spoiled crap that would gag a maggot.

    I would trust these mobile folks far more than most upper end restaurants for serving up decent food.

  • ||

    I wouldn't. And that comes from experience. I used to run the kitchen in a 4star restaurant at a 5star resort. Our kitchen was immaculate. Every container in the walk-in was labelled. Every prep table broken down and cleaned top to bottom every day. Hell, even the hood was cleaned and the screens run through the washer every night.

    The reason was simple: any time a customer wanted to come back and thank the kitchen staff for their meal, they were welcome to. And I made a point to regularly go into the dining room and ask diners if they would like a glass of wine, which often led to a back-end tour.

  • ||

    Would you like a wafer-thin mint? It's wafer-thin.

  • ||

    And another thing: those restaurants are owned and ran by delusional people. There are maybe 50 people in the US that could open a high end restaurant on name-recognition and their kitchen standards are impeccable. IRT the people on Kitchen Nightmares, in thew words of a great man, those sum bitches couldn't close an umbrella.

  • ||

    i agree with sloopy.
    the previous poster's comments are a great example of how media uses outliers and people accept them as how things actually are

    the eateries in kitchen nightmares are OUTLIERS. they do not represent the average restaurant any more than a reason article portraying cops etc. represents average cops

    it's actually a great example of how fools allow the media to shape their opinions

    like in the other thread how epi was sure it SEEMED a certain way about the proliferation of police violence but hadn't actually looked at the stats

    what's common to me is the way over and over, people let pop media (and i include reason) infect their perception of how stuff IS.

    kitchen nightmares doesn't cover the restaurant that is squared away with an immaculate kitchen. that's BORING

    and of course i have zero doubt they exaggerate and dramatize for the sake of good tv/journalism

  • ||

    i also note the sloopy analogy. he uses, rightly so- HIS EXPERIENCE to dispel a myht

    i often do that, and get CITE PLEASE.

    i wouldn't ask sloopy for a cite. he worked in high end restaurant. there is no cite for that. you either believe him or don't

    i do.

  • robc||

    There is a big difference. I have had personal experience with both restaurants and police. My personal experience with restaurants suggests that most are reasonably clean and well run. My personal experience with cops is that most are authoritative dicks.

    It isnt universal for either, but enough data points to suggest a trend.

    Interestingly, the best interaction with a cop came when I was pulled over for 25 over in a school zone. Really nice, young, kid. Im sure he washed out soon after. I will take that interaction over the ones with cops when I was on the victim side. Property crime cops might be the worst of the lot. Well, accept for SWAT, but Ive never had to deal with them. Yet.

  • ||

    robc, my personal experience with cops suggests that MOST of the time people say cops are authoritative dicks ... in brief... they copped an attitude.

    heck, that's MY experience with cops. in college, i played in a band (thus got shut down all the time) and every time i was cool with them, they were cool with me. WITHOUT exception.

    i can think of two occasions in my life where i was a dick towards a cop and i got dickishness in return

    now, it MAY be true that you just happened to get the dickish cop. they ARE out there.

    based on my pattern of almost zero complaints (even about politeness and other minor stuff) in 20+ yrs, i am pretty confident, *i* am one of the good guys, and i HAVE seen guys i work with be kind of dickish WITHOUT provocation

    but my GENERAL experience is that MOST of the time people experience dickish cops, it's a two mutual escalation of dickishness

  • ||

    Look, dunphy, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt... that you do your job professionally. But coppers I've 'met' did lots of stuff which is not actionable but downright shitty: calling me by my first name when I call them 'officer', asking fucked-up questions which have nothing to do with what they busted me over ("are you a good guy or a bad guy?", "do you have anything illegal in your car?"), giving unasked-for advice regarding my future conduct, displaying anger over my admission of being in the wrong when they practically entrapped me... so cops have a lot to do with the populace having a bad opinion of them -- beyond the obvious unhappiness felt over being busted.

  • ||

    ok, see this is actually very enlightening

    i don't consider any of those things bad. they may, in SOME cases be imperfect (see: the perfect enemy of the good thang) but having a cop call you by your first name, or especially those other questions (here's a hint... cops are trained to, and in many respects "supposed to" ask such questions about "do you have anything illegal in your car".)

    i've been asked that. i don't consider that a problem. i said no.

    and here comes the

    EVER REPEATED REASON LIE 101

    **** for the hundredth time ***** as poll after poll shows (and i get tired of citing them), the POPULACE overwhelmingly does NOT have a bad opinion of cops

    if you do, YOU are an outlier.

  • ||

    we are amongst the most respected of professions, and the data is crystal clear on that

    this is a great example of you taking your BELIEFs/FEELING/ and experiences based on your (probable) frequenting of places where you hang out with fellow travelers (e.g. reason where obviously people are less likely to have a positive opinion of cops than most other places) and then extending that to the public at large

    it's ironic that in a post where you are responding to my claim about selection bias and carefully chosen subsets of experience and minority opinion you MAKE THAT EXACT fallacy in response

    think about it

  • ||

    we are amongst the most respected of professions

    I wouldn't see that as an unquestionably positive thing... because there are two sources of 'respect': appreciation & fear.

  • ||

    but it's a refutation of your claim which you have yet to acknowledge.

    if we are going to have a rational discussion, imo, it's incumbent upon people when they make a false claim , especially when offered in the context you offered yours (iow saying we should do stuff differently because look at X, when in fact the truth is NOT-x), to simply acknowledge

    "hey my bad. my claim about the populace was incorrect"

    it's like an integrity test"

    but feel free to review the polling data and/or the questions asked. i've cited them AT LEAST a dozen times. it gets tired.

    i also find it pretty ridiculous

    you claim the populace feels X about police, and that's supposed to be instructive

    when i show you the populace does NOT feel that way, THEN you offer a "yea but"

    nice...

  • ||

    i don't consider any of those things bad.

    Sure thing; because you're doing to them, not being done to you.

    Calling me by my first name is a dominance tactic: a display that he has power over me, and I better take it or else. What would happen if I ask him for his first name so I can call him by that back?

    My answer to the question to anything illegal was "I don't think so". So he raised his voice (another dominance tactics) and practically shouted at me: "you think so or you know so?!" I just grinned at him and he went away.

  • ||

    more lies. you assume because i defend something, that i do it

    so, first you make the false claim that the populace dislikes the police. and you haven't apologized and.or acknowledged you are wrong

    THEN, you accuse me of doing something because i defend OTHER officers doing it

    for the record, i NEVER call people by their first name in official calls UNLESS they ask me too

    so, that's two lies. one you still haven't acknowledged and another based on no evidence whatsoever.

    will you admit error in either?

    and note I *never* said i called people by their first name. i simply said it wasn't that bad (see perfect is the enemy of the good thang).

    second of all, i will explain to you that asking people if they have anything illegal in a car often leads to seizure of illegal items. that's a good thing. because it's not a violation of the 4th (or the 5th) to ask that question

  • ||

    if you are offended by it, that's great

    but i would expect an acknowledgment that you made a false accusation towards me AND you were incorrect in yuor claim about "the populace"

    imo, it's a sign of intellectual dishonesty and internetitis when you correct somebody on something CLEARLY they are wrong, and they never acknowledge it

    i try to have the maturity to do so. i'm imperfect, but i try

  • ||

    and note I *never* said i called people by their first name. i simply said it wasn't that bad (see perfect is the enemy of the good thang).

    Why don't you do it if you find it defensible? Conversely: why do you defend it if you don't practice it?

    second of all, i will explain to you that asking people if they have anything illegal in a car often leads to seizure of illegal items.

    Does one have to answer the question? Does one have to answer the question truthfully? You got eyes; you can look and if you see anything which gives you probable cause then you can search the vehicle, no? Why do you have to try to maneuver the subject to testify against himself?

    If finding contraband is such a good thing, why can't the police search vehicles without probable cause?

  • ||

    November 10, 2005 CONFIDENCE IN LOCAL POLICE DROPS TO 10-YEAR LOW (at 53%)

    http://books.google.ca/books?i.....q&f;=false

    Confidence in police has been declining slowly since 1996 (from 60 to 54 percent).

    The trend in respect for the police is that the level of positive views of the police have been declining since the mid-to-late 1960s.

    http://www.theiacp.org/PoliceS.....fault.aspx

    I've got two cites; neither of them is particularly amazing.

    Now it's your turn.

  • Jeffersonian||

    DNC delenda est.

  • Tim||

    This man's bill also says food served at schools is known to be healthier than food sent from home by parents. How insulting!! And where is the study evidencing this?

  • ||

    And where is the study evidencing this?

    Are you serious? Are you serious? That science is settled, heretic.

  • MLB Cap||

    Good post.You did a good work,and offer more effective imformation for us!Thank you.

  • ||

    Who comes up with all those ideas??

    www.Anon-Works.tk

  • Baal||

    One minor quibble:

    Nothing beats Waffle House at 2 am.

  • ||

    While it appears that the food truck craze is expanding,it is also obvoius that intelligence in California government is not. I was always under the impression that government was there to serve the interests of the people. And right now you moron the people want a Kobe beef taco.

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  • NewHere||

    Bill Monning seems abnormally concerned about what kids put in their bodies. He's now backing a bill that will take away a parent's right not to vaccinate their kids. Parents will only be able to exercise their freedom if they can convince a doctor to sign a permission slip. We could really use some help fighting this if anyone is interested...
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