The Left's Race-Baiting of Herman Cain

Understanding liberal hostility to the Republican presidential hopeful

Let's leave aside the question of whether Herman Cain, the businessman and activist currently leading the anti-establishment contingent in the Republican primaries, is truly presidential material. Whatever his merits or electability, Cain has inevitably drawn attention as the only African-American in the field. And, as a black Republican linked to the Tea Party—a movement often accused of racial animosity toward Barack Obama—he has become a magnet for a peculiar left-wing brand of race-baiting.

One notorious display of this attitude occurred earlier this month on the MSNBC program "The Last Word," when host Lawrence O'Donnell berated Cain for his failure to participate in the civil rights protests of the 1960s as a teenager and young adult in the South.

In his just-published autobiography, Cain writes that he and his brother would reluctantly move to the back on the bus when told to do so by the driver, minding their father's admonition to "stay out of trouble." Where, O'Donnell sarcastically inquired, would blacks be now if Rosa Parks had followed such advice? When Cain reasonably replied that his father's advice was not to Rosa Parks but to his high school-age sons, O'Donnell went on to push him on his lack of activism in college.

Even many left-of-center observers, such as Mediate.com columnist Tommy Christopher, were aghast at the spectacle of a white liberal smugly chiding a black man for the personal choices he made in a very difficult time. (Those choices included breaking down professional barriers by going to graduate school and pursuing a career in computer science.) What's more, as MSNBC commentator Melissa Harris Perry noted, there is a blatant double standard at work: white politicians of Cain's generation are not grilled on what they did in the civil rights movement. Bill Clinton, often praised for his unique ability to connect with African-Americans, attended college at the same time as Cain and worked as an intern in a segregationist senator's office.

Nonetheless, some left-wing blogs have cheered O'Donnell's supposed takedown of Cain—and others have peddled even nastier fare. Chauncey de Vega, a blogger at OpenSalon.com, calls Cain a "professional racism apologist," a "race traitor," and a "human parrot" for right-wing white bigots, and even accuses Cain of using his memories of growing up black under Jim Crow to pander to racists. Cain has told the story of how he and his brother once daringly drank from the "whites only" fountain, and then "looked at each other and said, the water tastes the same! What's the big deal?" Clearly, his point is how absurd racism looks through the innocent eyes of a child. Yet de Vega manages to twist this into a defense of segregation as harmless.

Such bizarre distortions are echoed by leftist posters on other sites. In comments threads, the vileness reigns almost unchecked: Cain has been labeled a "house Negro" (or worse) and a "lawn jockey," and mocked in blatantly racist terms.

Meanwhile, Slate columnist David Weigel asks whether Cain's rise as a Tea Party favorite refutes charges that the movement is racist, and predictably answers no. For evidence, Weigel turns to Christopher Parker, a University of Washington political scientist and lead author of a 2010 study which concluded that Tea Party "true believers" tended to be more racist than other white Americans. Of course, Parker defines racism broadly enough to include the belief that "Irish, Italians, Jewish, and many other minorities overcame prejudice and worked their way up, blacks should do the same without special favors"—a sentiment that Cain both endorses and seems to validate by his own example.

Yes, some people who harbor prejudice toward a minority group may make an exception for the "good" member of that minority. Do some self-proclaimed Cain supporters see him as the exceptional "good black"? Probably so, especially since the odds of Cain actually being elected are so slim that supporting him is more a statement of emotional and cultural solidarity than an act of political support. But if such attitudes are a form of racism, then surely so is a "liberalism" that lampoons black conservatives as lackeys doing the step and shuffle for their white masters.

The truth is that, for all the progress since the civil rights era, our culture is still infected with race-based thinking. Race is also a uniquely incendiary topic in America, and therefore a perfect weapon to manipulate emotions across the political spectrum. Liberals accuse conservatives of wanting to bring back Jim Crow; conservatives liken the black community's allegiance to Democrats to plantation slavery. And yes, some on the right have engaged in racially tinged anti-Obama rhetoric (Obama-as-witch-doctor posters, anyone?). But what happens when the left faces a black opponent? Just ask Herman Cain.

Cathy Young writes a weekly column for RealClearPolitics and is also a contributing editor at Reason magazine. This article originally appeared at RealClearPolitics.

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  • Suki||

    Good morning reason!

  • Suki||

    Rich White Liberals do not care what a Black person did if the Black person is not a liberal. Cain could have shot the hanging rope at a lynching and the MSM would complain that he did not take the victims place.

  • ||

    exactly. Liberals are liberal first and take projection - accusing others of the various -isms - to an Olympic level. That Cain made a success of himself largely the old-fashioned way simply puts the lie to liberal ideology, and they cannot have that.

    Unlike Obama, Cain's American experience is like that of millions of blacks. He drank from the separate fountain, he likely got called nigger a few times, his parents instilled a sense of right and wrong, and he went to school and worked his way up. His story should be celebrated, not denigrated, but that is the left.

  • RoboCain||

    Fwiw, he was born in 1945. So I'm thinking it was more than likely, and more than few times.

  • Cobra||

    Who was confronted with more racism directly? A Black Civil Rights protestor, or Cain who hid on the sidelines and let others face attack dogs, fire hoses and rocks?

    --Cobra

  • ||

    You really are a loathsome creature. Did you live back then? What have you ever done besides shoot your mouth off? Have you ever been in a situation that required even 1/100th of the balls it would have taken for a 12 year old kid to not go to the back of the bus? And now you denigrate Cain? If really are funny. But you make up for it by being repulsive.

  • Cobra||

    Wasn't born yet. Family marched though. They're MY heroes. Not punks like Cain who claim to be "Real Black Men", while cowering in the corner.

    I marched in the Reagan 80's against Apartheid and my school's investment in South Africa. I got called plenty of names for it.

    --Cobra

  • Ben Kalafut||

    It takes a real jackass--or "punk"--to describe breaking professional color barriers or simply living a regular and successful life in spite of racism "cowering in the corner".

    Then again, can we expect someone who doesn't have the balls to attach his opinion to a real name to STFU when grown folks is talking?

  • Cobra||

    You're singling out Cain for doing what, exactly? Letting other folks take the risks to gain the rights and privileges he took advantage of?

    I should look up to Cain more than Ralph Abernathy, John Lewis or Emanuel Cleaver?

    Why?

    --Cobra

  • Suki||

    Maybe if you actually went to South Africa an protested your complaint could hold up.

  • ||

    Marching against South Africa in the 1980s was about the easiest most popular cause there is. You would have pissed your pants if you had been in Cain's position. You just confirmed yourself to be the substance free poser you appear to be.

  • Cobra||

    What are you talking about? People of all stripes were "in Cain's position" and they marched in protest.

    --Cobra

  • Cobra||

    What are you talking about? People of all stripes were "in Cain's position" and they marched in protest.

    --Cobra

  • Ike||

    @ John what is so impressive or heroic about obeying the blacks in the back of the bus rule? Why would anyone piss their pants if they were asked that?

  • DDavis||

    "I marched in the Reagan 80's against Apartheid and my school's investment in South Africa. I got called plenty of names for it."

    What a bozo. You got "called names". Heavens to Betsy! You were so brave!

    More like you and your friends patted each other on the back in smug self righteousness. Like you're doing to yourself now. Sheesh.

  • ||

    You realize there is a difference between snarling dogs/fire hoses and name calling right?

  • Cobra||

    I'm glad you're saluting the courage of the Civil Rights Marchers.

    --Cobra

  • unclesmrgol||

    Here writes a wannabe who drapes the sacrifices of his betters over his own shoulders and calls them his own.

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    LOL at your goony status-mongering.

  • mad libertarian guy||

    Does no one else see the extreme irony in someone accusing others of being racists, while patently being racist?

  • unclesmrgol||

    That's what this entire article is about.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    It's pretty obvious the left only supported Barack Obama because he was half white. Their opposition to Cain is racism, straight up.

  • Rich||

    +999

  • Elder Scrolls Enthusiast AuH20||

    Also, could the US drop this "one drop" bullshit? Obama is not the first black president- he is the first biracial president. Tiger Woods was not the first black golfer to do X, he was the first biracial golfer. Etc.

  • kinnath||

    Tiger's a quad-racial (aka mutt). Father is black and native american. Mother is dutch and thai. White, black, red, and yellow.

  • Apatheist||

    A living, breathing "It's a Small World" ride but you have to be "this slutty" to get on.

  • chris||

    the U.S. should drop the "one drop" rule but try telling that to the racist people in the U.S. who still harbor these feelings of hate. The one drop rule has been in effect and will continue to be so long as racists look at someone and immediately judge them based on the way they look i.e. their race. It's not like a racist bigot stops and says "hey are you fully black or just part black" before telling him to get the hell away from him.

  • chris||

    Hey, pick another name. Especially if you insist on being a dumbass with the nuance of a anthrax epidemic in argumentation.

  • chris||

    aside from insults, do you have an actual rebuttal to my comment?

  • ||

    chris,
    racism and bigotry will cease to exist when people do. People have ALWAYS looked at someone else and judged them; you have, too.

  • chris||

    have i looked at people and judged them? Yes. But never because of their color. If they look dirty I judge them as such, if they look clean I judge them as such. But I don't look at someone's race and judge them by a set of stereotypes that have been around for centuries. That's just me though, but you're right, there always will be people who will judge others based on race and that's because it's been happening for centuries so it won't just cease to exist overnight.

  • DDavis||

    I grew up in Hawaii when Barak did. The concept of multiracial was alive and well at the time.

    However, there were very few blacks, and I don't recall it applying to them if they had some white ancestry, although it surely did if they had Asian ancestry. Race is a funny thing. I've always wanted to know just what Barak's experience was on that score in Hawaii.

  • Jess Asken||

    Where, O'Donnell sarcastically inquired, would blacks be now if Rosa Parks had followed such advice? When Cain reasonably replied that his father's advice was not to Rosa Parks but to his high school-age sons, O'Donnell went on to push him on his lack of activism in college.

    What did Lawrence O'Donnell do as a civil rights protestor and college activist?

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    He Raised Issues. He pointed out how enlightened he was. He denounced black people who didn't think like him. O'Donnell is basically a cross between Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King.

  • Larry||

    What did Lawrence O'Donnell do as a civil rights protestor and college activist?

    I was blowing my professors so I could graduate and get a start in life. It was my only option!

  • Larry||

    Plus, my corporate employers pay me big money to bitch about corporations and cheerlead for socialism... and, no, I don't see that as contradictory, because I'm getting *PAID*, bitches.

  • Zeb||

    What a dick. What Rosa Parks did was great. But it was a deliberate act of civil disobedience, not something every black kid should be expected to do on a daily basis.

  • ||

    Exactly, had Cain and his brother done what Rosa Parks did, there would be no Rosa Parks in the history books. Is O'Donnell going to berate every black person who didn't defy segregation before Rosa Parks?

  • ||

    If Cain and his brother had done what Rosa Parks did, they'd have likely been beaten for being uppity N-words if not lynched. Rosa got away with not being beaten and lynched partly because of being a woman. Its a Southern thing, we only beat our women when we're drunk up on Sunday's and married to them.

  • Cobra||

    If you believe in something strongly enough, it's worth fighting or dying for.

    "Give me liberty or give me death"
    --Patrick Henry

    --Cobra

  • Confederate Soldiers||

    If you believe in something strongly enough, it's worth fighting or dying for.

    Right on, brother!

  • DDavis||

    "If you believe in something strongly enough, it's worth fighting or dying for."

    Are you for real? Do you similarly condemn all the black slaves who didn't keep fighting until they were beaten to death?

    Wack job.

  • Cobra||

    Oh no...I believe in free will. There were Blacks who fought for the Confederacy during the Civil War (google Amos Rucker)

    Yet, you would want me to PRAISE folks like Amos Rucker, right?

    --Cobra

  • HMFIC||

    Like Cain, Amos Rucker was one of the "good ones".

  • Karl||

    So if you believe in getting an education and smashing through the barriers of race in a highly technical field is that worth something or is the value of a persons contributions to society only to be judged by you?

    It seems to me you are guilty of trying to corral blacks into a very small pen. Much like the plethora of racist, misogynist psuedo-liberal, pseudo-intellectual pundits. Maybe there is a job for you over at MSNBC, CNN, Hufpo or some other drool factory for mindless zombies.

    Hell one must wonder at what you think of people like Jesse Jackson using the death of MLK to rebrand himself into some hero? Talk about riding in the back of the bus..what about riding on false accounts and BS thuggery?

    Cain is hardly as contemptible as smearing a dead mans blood on your shirt and claiming to have been there when he died! But then again Cain is a self made man who actually did something tangible and that is just not enough to make up for his abandoning of the Democrat Plantation. That uppity negro should listen to his master and start serving lattes and beignets to Missy Wasserman-Shultz

    Seriously you have a lot of damn gall to compare protesting apartheid from the safety of the USA to civil rights. Here is a real comparison for you. If marching for civil rights were equated to flying the space shuttle, what you did was the equivalent of driving a child's radio flyer wagon.

  • Michael Price||

    The closest you ever got to 'fighting for' something was being called names. You NEVER faced the sort of pressures Cain did, were never as vulnerable as he was to abuse and yet you are bound and determined to second-guess him. You're like a general who never faced a bullet critising soldiers for not charging a machine gun nest.

  • Joe M||

    Probably so, especially since the odds of Cain actually being elected are so slim that supporting him is more a statement of emotional and cultural solidarity than an act of political support.

    Are they really all that slim? He's the current frontrunner, after all, and though plenty have held that title very briefly, he could make it stick.

  • Atanarjuat||

    Yeah I disagree with that as well. For one thing, I think he would destroy Obama in debates if he gets the nomination.

  • Cobra||

    Yeah, just Alan Keyes destroyed Obama in the Illinois Senate Race 2004. Keep dreaming.

    --Cobra

  • ||

    He did destroy him. He just didn't win the election. Keyes is a little crazy but he has lost more IQ points from bad air than Obama has.

  • Cobra||

    ROTFLMBAO!

    You OBVIOUSLY didn't watch that debate.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related

    --Cobra

  • Joe M||

    It's obvious Obama really doesn't like Keyes. His annoyed look at 3:29 is hilarious.

  • Cobra||

    MSNBC gave Alan Keyes a nightly prime time television show after this, believe it or not. So much for liberal bias huh?

    --Cobra

  • wareagle||

    short-lived show in '04. He must not be as informative as Al Sharpton, or as willing to base a career on making shit up.

  • Cobra||

    Again...you must not have ever heard Alan Keyes speak if you don't believe he makes stuff up. Take the link I provided for one.

    --Cobra

  • ||

    Cobra,
    Obama is vastly over rated and lame but I agree that Alan Keyes is a real joke and can be ridiculous. But that would be an incredibly low bar for Obama to be competing against.Black intellectuals like Thomas Sowell, Shelby Steele and non politicians like Herman Cain can beat him very easily.

    That Obama is hailed as some intellectual shows the real decline in standards for intellectualism today.. right from the time he spoke about profits to earnings ratio ( HUH ??) to the time he thought that Austrians spoke "Austrian", i kept wondering - why exactly is Obama considered "intellectual".

  • St. V||

    I can't say that I agree with you on this. The guy can barely articulate his own position in the GOP debates. While that may be more due to the format of these awful things, it's hard to believe he could stand up against the President.

  • Cobra||

    Facts in evidence don't matter to conservatives. This is the same group that supported Christine O'Donnell.

    --Cobra

  • Cobra||

    Facts, evidence, spelling, and grammar are completely irrelevant to leftards like me. We're the same group who supported the racist commie traitor usurper jackass currently illegally occupying the White House.

  • Cobra||

    Do you always hijack other posters names and make inflammatory comments?

    --Cobra

  • Sine Wave||

    Scroll the Troll!

  • HMFIC||

    +1

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    On the way to my in-laws house this weekend in Torrance, I saw a few "Cain 2012" signs in front yards. This is an overwhelmingly conservative neighborhood, probably 80% White, 15% Asian, and 5% Other. Frankly, I was shocked to see those signs in that neighborhood. Cain may actually have traction in the GOP. Look out Obama!

  • Playamanhattan||

    I saw more than a few of those yesterday in Torrance. I counted at least 10 along Anza...

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    You nailed it buddy. Nice to see a libertarian from the South Bay on this site.

  • Old Mexican||

    Meanwhile, Slate columnist David Weigel asks whether Cain's rise as a Tea Party favorite refutes charges that the movement is racist, and predictably answers no.


    Even if the Tea Party was composed of purely ethnical and political minorities, it would still be called "racist" (or something worse) by the liberal establishment. See, as Muslims kill apostates, liberals...

  • The Left||

    That's 'cause everyone with black skin who doesn't want more money from The Man is an Oreo. Now give us your money, Uncle Tom!

  • The Left||

    And oh yeah, the same goes for any of you faggots out there who support Mitt Romney.

  • squarooticus||

    I still can't believe Reason used to employ David Weigel. What a transparently left-wing apologist douche.

  • ||

    They thought he was just a regular douche at first. Reason is pro-douche. Its a core libertarian belief..I think.

  • fish||

    What a transparently left-wing apologist douche.

    C'mon....A girls gotta do what she's gotta to do to get ahead in this world!

  • ||

    Weigel is a much smarter left-winger than others in the business. Worth listening to occasionally.

  • The Art-P.O.G.||

    Plus, Weigel has great taste in music.

  • David Weigel||

    Also, I have great skin.

  • ||

    The ODonnell interview was terrible; anonymous racist comments on the internet is terrible; saying, repeatedly, that black americans have been "brainwashed" by the Democratic Party, is terrible. O'Donnell brought that up at the beginning of the interview, and Cain doubled down on it. Brainwashed! And when he voiced concern over the fact that Perry has been hunting at N-bomb Ranch, he was upbraided as playing the race card by other Republicans. I fully endorse this article's conclusion.

  • ||

    Its a shame that the media still believes Negros ought to pick a team and behave a certain way. There's your racism. If they were purely post-racial, they'd be focusing on what he believed rather than how he grew up.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Black Americans HAVE been brainwashed.

  • The Art-P.O.G.||

    Not just black Americans.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    True, Art, but black Americans have been targeted for reeducation by Team Big Nanny for decades.

  • Cobra||

    Sure we are. My ancestors were kidnapped from our homeland, separated from our families, stripped of our names, cultures and religion, enslaved, raped, sold and told our reward for not fighting back would come in heaven from a blond-haired, blue-eyed savior.

    Yep...that sounds like "brainwashing" to me. Text book.

    -Cobra

  • J_L_B||

    If you know the history of slavery, you'll know that this is what really happened, My ancestors were kidnapped from our homeland gleefully sold into slavery by rival tribesmen who found a profitable solution to their prisoner of war problem

  • Cobra||

    So you're claiming that the rival tribesman had sufficient firepower to overwhelm the European slavers, since they would've been the consolation prize being Black themselves?

    --Cobra

  • J_L_B||

    Maybe the Europeans had the fire power to kidnap everybody if they wanted to, since it didn't happen, it doesn't absolve the tribes from the cupability of selling their rivals into slavery.

    Their complicity makes their hands unclean as well.

  • Cobra||

    Oh...so given the choice between turning over captured rival tribes to be enslaved, or volunteering to be enslaved yourself, you would choose what?

    --Cobra

  • ||

    No they enslaved each other in Africa. the westerners just bought them at the markets like everyone else.

    God you are public school victim. Let me let you in on a secret, Roots was a fable. It was made up. It wasn't true.

  • Cobra||

    Right. And I have 20% European DNA because of what, John?

    "Victim?" LOL...You and your White conservative friends are in here whining like impotent cuckolds about Affirmative Action, and you have the nerve to accuse me about victimization when I cite history to you? Please.

    --Cobra

  • unclesmrgol||

    Nice to know you only hate the color of 20% of yourself.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Knock off the grievance bullshit, Cobra. No one alive owes you a fucking thing.

    This is about how liberals have brainwashed black people for decades, not about shit from hundreds of years ago.

  • Cobra||

    Right...because we Blacks were better off following White Conservatives like Strom Thurmond, George Wallace and Bull Connor.

    --Cobra

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Oh, shit, Cobra... do you think anyone here has any respect for those guys?

    This isn't FreeRepublic, let alone David Duke's internet hangout. For some reason, you think otherwise.

  • Cobra||

    Have you been following the same thread I am? I'm watching poster after poster basically saying Blacks enslaved themselves in America, the only ones who succeed do so via Affirmative Action, they're prone to crime and the only "good" ones are Republican.

    What has David Duke got on that?

    --Cobra

  • wareagle||

    blacks allow themselves to be enslaved by never challenging the Dem Party. How did the War on Poverty work for blacks? Look at rates of incarceration, single motherhood, dropping out, and that's for starters..each demonstrably much worse through direct application of liberal policies. David Duke? He could not hope to have done as much damage to blacks as the Dems have.

  • Michael Price||

    First of all blacks did enslave blacks. The Europeans just bought then and did not have the firepower to invade black countries just for their slaves (they would have got cut to pieces). As for Affirmative Action, I haven't seen one claim that blacks only suceed due to it. Not surprising considering we're discussing HERMAN CAIN. The rest you also made up.

  • J_L_B||

    so given the choice between turning over selling captured rival tribes to be enslaved

    If they had chosen not to sell them into slavery, the slave traders could've gone elsewhere in search of slaves to purchase. You seem to ignore the fact that millions were enslaved despite the absense of a bloody continental war that captured them. This could only have occured if there were plenty of rival tribesman ready to profit off the enslaving of their enemies.

  • Cobra||

    Wars cost money, JLB. The slavers wanted to maximize profit while limiting overhead costs.

    You're the one trying to justify WHITE EUROPEAN and AMERICAN CHATTEL slavery by blaming other Black tribes. Black tribes didn't create the demand for Chattel slavery in the Western Hemisphere.
    Millions DIED during this Black Holocaust. There is no defense or justification, but you will try to do so anyway, because there are Whites involved?

    --Cobra

  • J_L_B||

    There is no defense or justification, but you will try to do so anyway, because there are Whites involved?

    I'm combatting the idea that slavery is a grotesque evil whose occurance should be repeated endlessly if the white man is involved and an unimportant footnote to history when he isn't. Why is only the buyer in this transaction the evil one to be publicly shamed?

  • Cobra||

    To American History or World History?

    --Cobra

  • J_L_B||

    Both, there were plenty of places where slaves were brought, killed, mistreated, liberated, and then discriminated against, but calling them all out would kill the fun of blaming America for everything bad that happens everywhere.

  • Cobra||

    America has a lot to answer for. Why not ask the questions?

    --Cobra

  • J_L_B||

    Inconsistency, America is not the only place with shameful history in some areasw, but it is treated as though its entire history is, and where the worst of history's atrocities occurred.

  • Cobra||

    I live in America. You may or may not. The actions of this country are first on my list.

    --Cobra

  • Llama Face||

    "Oh...so given the choice between turning over captured rival tribes to be enslaved, or volunteering to be enslaved yourself, you would choose what?"

    I would say,

    "If you believe in something strongly enough, it's worth fighting or dying for."

    Oh, no, wait...

    Fucking douche.

  • Cobra||

    Why would a "captured rival tribe's" slavery fate be worth fighting and dying for?

    --Cobra

  • wareagle||

    the ones brought here were the lucky ones. Their alternatives were either to be killed outright by a conquering tribe or become enslaved by it. Given where much of Africa stands today vs your ability to achieve a nice standard of living, would you have preferred that your ancestors suffered one of the latter two fates?

  • Cobra||

    You're not even following the thread. The popular defense of slavery here is the "Blacks sold other Blacks into slavery." Well, the Blacks doing the selling were obviously being paid for their work, as opposed to the slaves who worked for no pay and beaten and raped and often killed for good measure. Where is the logic in saying the Africans who were beaten, raped and killed were the "lucky" ones?

    --Cobra

  • ||

    Nobody is defending slavery so there is not a "popular defence" of it. You're making stuff up again. The logic you've missed (because you're not good at logic) is that slaves sold to America were not killed, not kept by fellow blacks (and therefore probably not treated as bad) and their descendent ended up in the good ole, USA which you would prefer to Africa right? Because we''l pay your air fare if not.

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    My ancestors were kidnapped from our homeland, separated from our families, stripped of our names, cultures and religion, enslaved, raped, sold and told our reward for not fighting back would come in heaven from a blond-haired, blue-eyed savior.

    Your ancestors were sold out to the Berbers for rifles so your tribal elders could go hunt elephants.

  • Cobra||

    And millions of my ancestors swam across the Atlantic, huh?

    --Cobra

  • Mr. FIFY||

    American Indians also owned your ancestors, Cobra. Gonna bitch at them about it?

  • Cobra||

    Whites committed genocide against American Indians. You're going to defend that next?

    --Cobra

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    Whites committed genocide against American Indians. You're going to defend that next?

    Black soldiers took part in that genocide--you're going to defend that next?

  • Cobra||

    I spent many posts here lambasting Herman Cain, so what makes you think I wouldn't criticize Blacks who engaged in genocide?

    --Cobra

  • Mr. FIFY||

    I'm not defending either atrocity, Cobra. I'm just way past sick and tired of fuckers like you bitching about shit that happened hundreds of years ago.

  • Cobra||

    But apparently you're not sick and tired of hearing about Affirmative Action?

    --Cobra

  • wareagle||

    AA still exists and helps neither side. Blacks wonder if they were hired as tokens and whites have the same question. Slice it up how you want; AA is discrimination and only liberals can, with a straight face, serve up the problem as the solution.

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    And millions of my ancestors swam across the Atlantic, huh?

    A bloodline of 400 years doesn't constitute millions.

    And it still doesn't change the fact that they were sold out by their own people.

  • Cobra||

    1. You really haven't researched the Trans-Atlantic slave trade, have you?

    2. It is morbidly ironic that you want me to condemn Black "sellouts" in 1611, but support and vote for them in 2011.

    --Cobra

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    It is morbidly ironic that you want me to condemn Black "sellouts" in 1611, but support and vote for them in 2011.

    I'm not telling you to condemn anyone, regardless of who they "sold out." I just find your childish bloo-bloo-blooing over Cain's life history amusing.

  • Cobra||

    So you admit Cain's a sellout? Well, at least we're making progress here.

    --Cobra

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    And as soon as you can figure out basic math, we'll really be rolling.

  • Cobra||

    I'm a racist niggerfaggot.

  • Llama Face||

    1. You really haven't researched the Trans-Atlantic slave trade, have you?

    Neither have you.

  • Cobra||

    Where am I wrong on the facts about the Trans-Atlantic Slave trade?

    --Cobra

  • Cobra||

    I'm a racist niggerfaggot.

  • Toolbag||

    Your ancestors and just about every other human beings in the world. Everyone's Ancestors have been both slaves or slave owners at some point in the past. Your ancestors were just a bit more recent. You aren't special.

  • DLM||

    My definition of racism. To expect someone to believe or behave a certain way because of their race. It's not that tough to think of everyday examples of this.

  • Joe||

    "Probably so, especially since the odds of Cain actually being elected are so slim that supporting him is more a statement of emotional and cultural solidarity than an act of political support."

    Has this author seen any polls? How are Cain's odds bad?

    http://www.realclearpolitics.c.....-1452.html

  • Joe M||

    Oh man, we've got a Joverload on this site now. And you basically said the same thing as me too.

  • Joe||

    LOL - Your post wasn't there when I went to post :-P

  • iamtheeviltwin||

    Well alot of people will cite the Bachman and Perry rise and fall and then point to Cain.

    However, if you look at the longterm polling trend a number of differences show up.

    Bachman was never a frontrunner. Although she was the best of the "not-Romney" candidates, she has never polled higher than he did and what killed any momentum she had was actually Perry entering the race.

    Perry truly had the "flavor of the month" rise and fall. He came into the campaign with a splash and sucked the oxygen out of several campaigns. However, his support was never strong and it only took a few gaffes to hurt his chances. So when he got "destroyed" in the Florida debate his fall was quick.

    Cain has consistantly polled as the "second choice" for many people from the beginning with people often citing "he can't win" as the reason he was not their first choice. When he won the Florida straw poll it changed that opinion among many of the Tea Part base who finally decided he was viable. Despite a number of gaffes, even on the touchy subject of abortion, his poll numbers seem to be steadily rising. He still polls as the number 1 "second choice" among the not-Romney vote and this could lead him to victory.

  • ||

    I agree. I keep thinking that there is no way Cain can win. Then I look at what is happening and can't see how he loses.

  • BradP||

    He will lose because his blatant ignorance of the duties of the president and the policies he has proposed will be made very apparent when he has to defend them against people who aren't only trying to one-up each other on terribly thought-out consumption tax plans.

  • ||

    Beyond the substance of your post, even if you are right, that still won't be why he lost. If blatant ignorance of the duties of President were a disqualification, we wouldn't have the President we have today and probably not the last two before that.

  • mr simple||

    This is true. A majority of voting Americans would have to know what the duties of the President were before they could hold a candidate accountable.

  • Cobra||

    The 0bamessiah's gonna rule the world!!! If you don't agree with me, then kill yourself!

  • ||

    I cannot understand for the life of me why liberals only believe that experience to be president of the US only resides in politicians. They are basically telling us that being a CEO of a corporation in no way lets one know what being the Chief Executive of the US is all about. Well, at least not all people in business aren't petty backstabbing bitches.

    I would submit the ONLY job in politics that even comes close to qualifying one to be President is having been the governor of a state.

  • BradP||

    He has shown incompetence and ignorance far beyond any of his rivals when he has discussed foreign policy and his own 9-9-9 plan.

  • Elder Scrolls Enthusiast AuH20||

    Well, the problem for Cain is that he is winning national polls, but because of the retarded way that primaries are set up, he has to win Iowa or NH or he will be "out of the race". This despite the fact that Iowa and New Hampshire delegates really don't matter worth shit in the actual convention.

  • Joe M||

    Yeah, Giuliani learned all about that in 2008. However, Iowa isn't that crucial. What's really crucial is South Carolina, as far as predicting the eventual winner, and Cain is doing quite well there.

  • Croesus||

    But Cain is currently leading in Iowa with a greater margin than his national average, so at this moment he could theoretically pull it off. You don't have to win both Iowa and NH to be the nominee, winning just one is usually good enough to gain/maintain momentum.

  • DLM||

    I just hope Cain doesn't pull another Perot. I sometimes wonder if he really wants to be President.

  • ||

    One thing I'll say for Cain... He's the only guy besides Huntsman who's impressed me in the debates (from a performance standpoint, that is). While most candidates were throwing around broad platitudes, he seemed to have an actual policy solution for any issue that came up. Unfortunately I don't agree with many of his solutions, but maybe other candidates will learn from this and introduce substance into their campaigns?

  • ||

    I would pay scalpers prices to see him debate Obama. That would be the one Presidential debate of my lifetime I made sure not to miss.

  • ||

    I would pay to see Newt and Obama. By the end, I might even feel sorry for POTUS.

  • ||

    That would be good too. And the spin afterward would be how mean spirited and disrespectful Newt was to Obama. The liberal whining would be epic.

  • BakedPenguin||

    While I think Newcular Titties is a top-grade asshole, he would rip Obama to pieces in a debate. that would be hilarious.

  • Supreme Generalissimo Fluffy||

    It would be hard for me to enjoy Newt because I would be continually aware that every word Newt was saying that I approved of was a lie.

    Many GOP figures talk a good game but then fail to execute because they lack political courage, go native once they get to Washington, etc.

    Newt went to receive a free speech award and used the occasion to tell us that he no longer believes in free speech.

    Whatever was once good about Newt (and there used to be a lot, actually) is long gone.

  • Joe M||

    Darth Newter: It is too late for me, son.

  • ##||

    I'd find it hard to enjoy any of it because I would be continually aware that every word both were saying that I approved of was a lie.

  • Dave Anthony||

    I want to see it but I don't want either of them to be President.

  • ||

    I would pay to see Newt and Obama. By the end, I might even feel sorry for POTUS.

  • anon||

    Unfortunately, that will be the undoing of his campaign.

    There's a reason politicians speak in broad platitudes; it's so other politicians can't attack them on any specific issue.

  • ||

    Despite a number of gaffes, even on the touchy subject of abortion, his poll numbers seem to be steadily rising.

    I don't think the abortion gaffe, if it was a gaffe, is going to cost Cain. This is election is about the economy and only the economy. I think even a lot conservatives don't want to hear a fucking thing about abortion or gays, but how can we get back to making money.

  • Tony||

    There are more important things to worry about than genocide and the destruction of marriage.

  • ||

    [Put's in monocle]

    Absolutely. Conservatives are all honorary members of the BBP (Bomb Brown People) caucus. I hear they are decommissioning some rather large nukes. Imagine how many brown people we could with one of those.

  • ||

    They, the Brown people in question, are generally too spread out to get all of them with one large bomb. Unmanned armed drones are much better for this application and don't have near the political fallout as well as the other kind.

    However, I have noticed that our current guy makes more use of unmanned drones for this application than your supposed BBP crowd.

  • Tony||

    Like that government job I so desperately want! The policy....god I love it so!

  • rather||

    "Let's leave aside the question of whether Herman Cain...is truly presidential material."
    Voters will decide independently to vote for Cain or any of the other candidates who bought their way into politics.
    Your pronouncement is why Cain is doing well; the public no longer needs to be told what to think, nor how

  • fish||

    When did you stop posting as "White Idiot"?

  • WTF||

    Shhhh....that personality is dormant now.

  • fish||

    Ahhh... the meds finally came in!

  • rather||

    Somebody, I think helle found out who WI is; I afraid that idea was an epi delusion.

    Don't tell me you haven't figured out 90% of my posts are really from Norman epi Bates?

  • Tony||

    Racism is a trickier thing than just hating a person because of skin color. Even truly racist people will find exceptions (who prove the rule). If Cain is proof the TP isn't racist, then he's also proof that Democrats aren't racist as they've been accused: as other MSNBC host Al Sharpton put it, his vote for Obama wasn't race-based because he would never in a million years vote for Cain even if he were the only black guy.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    Sharpton has a color prejudice, but it isn't about black or white. It's about green.

  • ||

    tony,
    if racism is so "tricky", why does your side use it as a default response to any criticism of Obama. You folks act as though he is the first POTUS in history to have opposition. Just be honest, far more people bought the Hopium and voted for Obama BECAUSE OF his race than those who voted against him for it.

    The left has used the race crutch for so long that it is worse than crying wolf. And Sharpton is a first-class charlatan. Remember Tawanna Brawley? Liberal white guilt is what prevents MSNBC for treating as a black version of David Duke, which is what he deserves.

  • Tony||

    I assume more people voted for Obama because of his race than against him--since he won a large majority in the election. But who can say. It's really no worse an excuse for voting for someone than a hundred others people dream up.

    Maybe liberals are too quick to perceive racism. But it's historical fact that the Republican party owes its current composition to a deliberate strategy of appealing to white southern racists (in order to siphon southern Democrats away from their party). Remnants of this strategy still exist, long after the "welfare queen" nonsense. Look at who they try to blame for the financial crisis (uppity black people who bought houses they couldn't afford).

  • sarcasmic||

    Look at who they try to blame for the financial crisis (uppity black people who bought houses they couldn't afford).

    Er, no?

    They blame the government that coerced banks into giving loans to people who could not afford to pay them back.

    The racists I see are the liberals who see blacks as being so inferior that they should be held to a lower standard than other races when it comes to test scores, job qualifications, loan applications, etc.

    Otherwise known as the soft bigotry of low expectations.

  • Tony||

    Affirmative action isn't about holding people to a lower standard, it's about preferring a minority when qualifications are equal. Liberal attempts to mitigate racial disparities might be misguided, but not more so than expecting less privileged people to work twice as hard pulling themselves up from bootstraps.

  • ||

    it's about preferring a minority when qualifications are equal.

    No it is not, especially where it is practiced the most in college admissions. That is just a flat out lie.

  • Tony||

    So you deserve your grievance over affirmative action, but if a minority complains about your inherent privilege as a white person, they should just suck it up and try harder?

  • ||

    I am not victimized by affirmative action Tony, black people are. They are the ones who have their degrees and accomplishments cheapened not me.

  • Tony||

    But white people's successes aren't cheapened by their inherent historical privilege? Realize the justification for AA is that white people have been receiving de facto AA for far longer.

  • ||

    No they are not Tony. I had to meet standards to get into the schools I went to. No one lowered the bar for me. The degrees mean what they mean.

  • Tony||

    And no AA program allows people to have lower standards if they have the right skin color. It's about a preference when there are equal qualifications.

    This is not a hill I'm going to defend to the death--I'm just playing devil's advocate.

  • ||

    And no AA program allows people to have lower standards if they have the right skin color. It's about a preference when there are equal qualifications.

    That is just not true Tony, at least in regards to college admission. In the private sector maybe. But college admissions are flat out racist and take blacks over more qualified Asians and whites for the sake of "diversity", which of course is the last thing they want.

  • fish||

    Is there no part of the lefty catechism that you question...even a little bit? Sign of a weak mind!

  • sarcasmic||

    That is just a flat out lie.

    Yup. This is the part where Tony tosses out red herrings, attacks men of straw, and moves the goal posts.

    *yawn*

  • Mr. FIFY||

    I'm white, and I never received the White People's Free Shit and Hall Pass Coupon Book, Tony.

    Maybe it got lost in the mail.

  • ||

    You didn't get it because Herman Cain or some other uncle Tom stole yours.

  • sarcasmic||

    I had to meet standards to get into the schools I went to. No one lowered the bar for me.

    Same here.

    I never received the White People's Free Shit and Hall Pass Coupon Book

    Me neither.

  • The Art-P.O.G.||

    Duh. You don't get the White People's Free Shit and Hall Pass Coupon Book if you're the 99%.

  • fish||

    Nahh...until you see the big white van that people spring from with an oversized novelty check you know you haven't been selected.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Well, shit. I really wanted that coupon book.

  • ||

    Maybe liberals are too quick to perceive racism.
    ---------------------------
    No; liberals are hyper-quick in ACCUSING others of it, often to mask their own projections. Look at the school system, for example. This decidedly liberal institution is against any initiative that would improve outcomes for black students. Instead, the left creates "solutions" like affirmative action, quotas, set asides, hoping that people won't notice the real message - that the left thinks blacks and other minorities are incapable of doing anything without the helping hand of govt.

    The welfare queen, by the way, is hardly nonsense. Baby mamas are black; white trash usually involves a sorry-ass woman and equally sorry-ass man. Baby mamas have multiple kids, each with a different daddy, but they invariably also have freshly-manicured fingernails, hair extensions, and probably eat better than you. I've been behind the EBT card users; they ain't buying beanie-weenies.

    History shows the Repubs being at the forefront of moves toward equality. Byrd, the Klansman, was a Dem but at least he was honest about it, unlike the NE liberals who talk a big game but only know blacks as domestics and people to be avoided. Your party's War on Poverty did more harm than a million Klansmen could have even dreamed of accomplishing.

  • ||

    And don't forget affirmative action Wareagle. Thanks to liberals every black can now wonder if he got where he is because he was good enough. And every black accomplishment can be denigrated.

  • Tony||

    And every black accomplishment can be denigrated.

    Like Obama becoming president?

  • ||

    No. like Obama graduating from Harvard and Columbia.

  • Tony||

    You have the slightest shred of evidence that any of that was the result of affirmative action?

    I don't know for sure, but I do know that you don't graduate magna cum laude from Harvard based on AA. Perhaps, if you can produce the evidence, Obama would be a poster child for the success of AA.

  • ||

    The standards for blacks to get into Harvard are lower than the standards for whites. Since we have never seen Obama's under graduate grades, we have no idea if he would have gotten in had he been white or Asian. But it is a good bet he wouldn't have.

    Who knows maybe he did deserve it. But thanks to affirmative action and patriarchal racist liberals like you, we will never know. That cheapens his and every other black person who graduates from there accomplishment.

  • Tony||

    So what you're saying is that the world would have been deprived of Harvard's first black editor of the Law Review, a magna graduate, and the first black president of the US, without affirmative action.

    You do realize you're giving the highest possible endorsement of AA?

  • ||

    First Tony, you are claiming Obama would have gotten in anyway. And maybe he would have, so your point is moot. And further, blacks don't and shouldn't need affirmative action to get into Harvard. They can succeed on their own.

    You just can't accept the idea that a black man can succeed without the help of benevolent white people. You don't mean to be a racist, but in your heart of hearts you are. You look at black people as inferior beings that need your help to succeed. You mean well, but your attitude is racist nonetheless.

  • Tony||

    I don't know whether Obama received any AA at all. I do know that getting into Harvard isn't something just anyone can do, and there are going to be a lot of equally qualified people. So if they make a racial preference it's not exactly an injustice for anyone, since nobody has a right to get into Harvard.

    And given Obama's successes in life, it would seem to be a ringing endorsement for any AA he did receive.

  • DLM||

    You look at black people as inferior beings ...

    I see this attitude toward Hispanics by liberals, too, though much of that is political pandering. (I'm in California.)

  • Cobra||

    How did George W. Bush get into Yale when the University of Texas rejected him?

    Did W. use one of those temporary "tans" back in the day, or something?

    --Cobra

  • Cobra||

    How did George W. Bush get into Yale when the University of Texas rejected him?

    Did W. use one of those temporary "tans" back in the day, or something?

    --Cobra

  • ||

    HE is was a legacy idiot son. You would forcibly reduce every black person to that level of respect.

  • Cobra||

    Excuse me...you were not questioning the existence of White students on Ivy League campuses before I brought up Bush. Why not?

    --Cobra

  • ||

    The subject never came up. But you obviously don't read very well or don't come here much if you think anyone here thinks Bush was a smart guy. You don't think Bush's Harvard degree means anything because you know it is easier for legacies to get in. That is true. It is also easier for black people to get in thanks to affirmative action. They are both in the same boat. And that is a crime against black people not Bush.

  • Cobra||

    You don't apply the same scrutiny to White students who could be legacies/connected/rich families as you do to Black students who may or may not be their due to Affirmative Action. In your statements here, "White" is portrayed as the "standard to be attained" whereas "Black" is portrayed as suspicious.

    --Cobra

  • ||

    Tony is correct that you don't graduate summa cum laude from Harvard Law without earning the grades. All the grading is anonymous.

  • ||

    True RC. But you don't earn any grades if you don't get in in the first place. Without affirmative action, he may have been getting those grades somewhere else.

  • Cobra||

    If you disrespect the academic performance of Barack Obama at Columbia and Harvard Law, how on EARTH can you turn around and respect the academic performance of Herman Cain at Morehouse and Purdue? That's the problem with White Conservative contempt for minorities. Their blanket derision unwittingly covers even the token minorities they suggest we look to as role models.

    --Cobra

  • ||

    Jesus Cobra you are bringing the stupid hard today. AA degenerates every black person's performance Cain and Obama's alike. That is why it is such an evil system.

  • Cobra||

    John,
    America "denigrates" (was that the word you were looking for?) Blacks. Has since its inception.

    Interesting word, "denigrate." It comes from the Latin root "niger"...so literally, when you say something is being "denigrated", you're saying it's being "blackened."

    But, that's America for you, right John?

    --Cobra

  • ||

    If you don't have anything to say talk about language. Way to dodge the point Cobra.

  • Cobra||

    Oh...did I FORCE you to use the language you posted?

    Are you a victim of "Affirmative Vocabulary Action?"

    --Cobra

  • ||

    Again, you don't have a response to the point of the post. Which is that all black people, Cain and Obama alike lose because of affirmative action. Everyone can question their degrees because everyone knows it is easier for black people to get into colleges than it is for whites or Asians. That is what makes the system so evil.

  • Cobra||

    Come off it. They don't hand out degrees for being "accepted" into college. You have to actually work for it.

    This fact escapes you, and seemingly most of the White Conservatives on this board. But in actuality, it makes the support for Herman Cain seem even MORE hypocritical, since he attended Morehouse, an historical BLACK College, which, by your own posts, CERTAINLY could not provide the same quality of education as an historically White school.

    Your logic, John.

    --Cobra

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    Come off it. They don't hand out degrees for being "accepted" into college. You have to actually work for it.

    So you think Dubya worked for his Yale BA and Harvard MBA, then?

  • Cobra||

    He did enough to get the lambskin, apparently.

    --Cobra

  • White Cobra||

    Let us smoke a while.

  • Joe M||

    Actually, you're de-blackening it.

  • ||

    Obama denigrates that accomplishment on his own. Just consider recent statements: not re-electing means "you're on your own", or Repubs want dirty air and dirty water. Sorry, the man is a disgrace to the office he holds.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    How do you make it through life with those chips on your shoulders, Cobra?

  • Cobra||

    "not taking crap from White conservatives" = "chip on my shoulder"

    Gotcha!

    --Cobra

  • Llama Face||

    Your reading comprehension is terrible. This is a libertarian website. This is not Fox News. Why don't you bring your bullshit there? People here don't care what color anyone is.

  • Cobra||

    I'm a racist niggerfaggot.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Taking crap from Team Blue = you'll never get those chips off.

  • Tony||

    I see.

  • Tony||

    No wait--I'm blind! I'm blind! Aaaggghhh!!!

  • ||

    Look at who they try to blame for the financial crisis (uppity black people who bought houses they couldn't afford).

    I have never seen anyone take this racial line. I'm going to need a link, or be forced to conclude that your racist little id is projecting again.

  • ||

    When you and I hear "poor people doing irresponsible things" we think "poor people doing irresponsible things". When Tony hears it, he thinks "black people".

    But remember RC, we are the racists.

  • Tony||

    That's because the narrative is false and so obviously based on racial grievances of southern whites.

    Only the tiniest minority of principled libertarians actually want to end government assistance programs. Conservatives like their own Social Security just fine, they just don't want it going to those people.

  • ||

    No Tony it is not a false narrative. A majority of people who are poor are poor because they have made poor choices. And the ones who bought houses they couldn't afford are in fact irresponsible. And no one has argued for cutting welfare since welfare reform. They want to cut government and you have a fit because you would rather bankrupt the country to pay bureaucrats than you would help poor people.

  • Tony||

    A majority of people who are poor are poor because they have made poor choices.

    Prove it.

    I suppose the increasing wealth disparity in this country is a function of an epidemic of poor choices, and a few select people being extra smart and hard working?

  • ||

    No Tony. It is a function of economic reality. And inequality doesn't mean anything. I couldn't care less how much more money Steve Jobs has than me. I just care about how well I am doing. Only people like you who are sucked into the evils of envy and class bigotry worry about inequality.

  • Tony||

    You seem awfully preoccupied with the thought that a poor black person might have received an unfair leg up, but vast wealth inequality as a result of government policies that favor the rich doesn't concern you in the least? Interesting.

  • ||

    When that "leg up" came at the direct expense of someone else and was done on the basis of race, it is wrong.

    It is called the rule of Law Tony. And you seem so interested in making sure the government screws as many people as possible and judges as many people as possible on their race. Yet, you claim not to be a racist.

    Interesting. You are obsessed with race and handing out privileges based upon it and call anyone and everyone racist, but are not racist your self. I believe it is called projection.

  • sarcasmic||

    You seem awfully preoccupied with the thought that a poor black person might have received an unfair leg up

    The subject was racism, and the point was that those who favor giving blacks an unfair leg up (liberals like yourself) are racists for they believe the black person is inherently inferior and unable to make it without a helping hand.

    vast wealth inequality as a result of government policies that favor the rich

    Here comes a straw man! Slay him, Tony! Set him on fire!

  • Teaching Student||

    I've never seen an argument on this site, by a Libertarian arguing that the government policies "benefiting the rich" are anything other than corrupt. It is possible to oppose both.

  • Cobra||

    Of course he doesn't. Most of the wealth goes to White people like himself.

    --Cobra

  • Cobra||

    I'm a racist niggerfaggot.

  • sarcasmic||

    Paris Hilton will squander her inheritance, and by the time it gets to her grandchildren the family will no longer be idle rich.
    Happens all the time.
    Show me a poor person and I'll show you someone who perhaps allowed themselves to become addicted to a substance (poor choice), or dropped out of school (poor choice), or had a child as a teenager (poor choice), or maxed out a bunch of credit cards and can't seem to get ahead (poor choice), and that's just off the top of my head.

    With the exception of inherited wealth, show me a wealthy person and I'll show you someone who likely did not get hooked on drugs, did not drop out of school, did not have a child at a young age, did not take on debt...

    Choices matter.

  • Grant||

    Lighten up, Francis.

    Everyone makes mistakes. Some people need a 2nd chance.
    Maybe not an infinite number of chances. But at least a hand from others who were able to succeed.

  • sarcasmic||

    But at least a hand from others who were able to succeed.

    Ever heard of charity?

  • ||

    I have no problem with that Grant. And we could have a fine social safety net for about 1/10th of the price we are currently paying for government.

  • Concerned Citizen||

    The permanent underclass was created when the poor, instead of asking for assistance, began demanding it as an entitlement.

  • ||

    As a principal of human moral decency, this is the truest thing written and much of what makes life is worth living.

    As a principal of law, instituted by governments and backed by lethal force... well, that's where I get troubled.

  • ||

    Sorry, that was for Grant's 12:35PM EDT

  • Cobra||

    You realize, that with a median household income of less than $50K, you're describing the vast majority of Americans of all races, right?

    --Cobra

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    You realize, that with a median household income of less than $50K, you're describing the vast majority of Americans of all races, right?

    Do you know the difference between mean and median?

  • ||

    Since he is a public school victim, probably not RRR.

  • Cobra||

    68% of American Households earn less than $50K. That group is 5 times larger than the next level.

    Google it.

    --Cobra

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    Maybe you should google "median":

    In probability theory and statistics, a median is described as the numerical value separating the higher half of a sample, a population, or a probability distribution, from the lower half.
  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    68% of American Households earn less than $50K. That group is 5 times larger than the next level.

    Let's see what the Census had to say. You don't even have to google it, the link is right here:

    http://www.census.gov/compendi.....ncome.html

    Under $15K: 13.0%
    $15K-24K: 11.9%
    $25K-34.9K: 11.1%
    $35K-49.9K: 14.1%
    Total: 50.1%

  • Hooha||

    Fact Piledriver'd!

    I loved it, then I remembered he's just a troll. I don't think anyone capable of using a computer is really as stupid a Cobra is pretending to be. There are, however, plenty of keyboard jockeys that are inexplicably entertained by swatting a forum and listening to the angry buzzing.

    I think we should adopt a strict 'counter troll' policy. Whenever a White Indian or Cobra-type shows up spewing such rediculous bullshit, Reason regulars aught to respond by competing to see who can bait the persona the most successfully.

  • Cobra||

    You realize, of course, that I'm a racist niggerfaggot.

  • Cobra||

    White Conservative commentators on talk radio and Fox News frequently blame the financial crisis on the "Community Reinvestment Act"
    http://mediamatters.org/research/201004200058

    Google it.

    --Cobra

  • ||

    media mutters? Really? LOLOLOLOLOLOL

  • Cobra||

    You prefer to hear it from Fox News' Neil Cavuto, himself?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9O1hpeO-qQ

    --Cobra

  • ||

    The CRA did have a lot to do with it. Gasp, loaning money to people who couldn't pay it back and then bundling those loans into giant MBS turned out to be a really bad idea. Who would have figured such.

  • Cobra||

    So poor Black people bundled bad loans, falsely rated them good, leveraged them, and sold them to unsuspecting investors overseas?

    --Cobra

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    So poor Black people bundled bad loans, falsely rated them good, leveraged them, and sold them to unsuspecting investors overseas?

    No, but a couple of rich black men in the Executive Branch haven't seen fit to prosecute them for that fraud.

  • Cobra||

    Prosecute them on what basis? Make your case citing securities law.

    --Cobra

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    Prosecute them on what basis? Make your case citing securities law.

    Fraud isn't illegal? After all, you claimed the securites were sold as AAA-rated when they were worth junk.

  • Cobra||

    You're not citing securities law. You're making an opinion. Not that I disagree with your opinion, but you're accusing Obama and Holder of being derelict in their duties to prosecute rating agencies.

    --Cobra

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    You're not citing securities law. You're making an opinion.

    Since when has fraud been legalized?

  • Cobra||

    I'm an economically illiterate racist niggerfaggot.

  • Llama Face||

    No, poor black people were preyed upon and sold loans that they couldn't afford under the guise of "helping" them achieve the American Dream of home ownership because, without the help of the benevolent ruling class, they just couldn't ever succeed on their own. Malignant bankers (of every color)packaged and sold them in order to insulating themselves from the risk foisted on them by the benevolent ruling class. Nobody was unsuspecting.

    Not everyone who's not black is racist. I know that's a tough one for you, because it means you'll have to stop blaming evil white people for your own problems and start to man up and take responsibility for yourself. But, with ObamaCare, you should be able to get some therapy for that.

  • Cobra||

    "Middle- and upper-income borrowers accounted for more than two-thirds of high-rate mortgages issued in 2006, according to a new survey by ComplianceTech.

    And more than 55 percent of such loans went to white borrowers. During the period of 2004 to 2006, whites had more subprime rate loans than all minorities combined.

    The Arlington-based consulting firm analyzed data filed under the federal Home Mortgage Disclosure Act to find out the demographic distribution of subprime rate loans."

    http://www.bizjournals.com/was.....l?page=all

    Whoops.

    --Cobra

  • ||

    You're right that the Repubs had a nod and wink strategy to siphon off Southern Dems in the eighties. I used to get worked up about that. And I do think there's some evidence of a little more traditional (non-union) white tribalism on the con side.

    If one was truly interested in fostering racial harmony/enlightening white tribals while electing the first black president, the way to do it would be with a moderate, no? But if you are left-of-center, voting for a left-of-center black candidate makes perfect moral sense. Shading any opposition as racist does not. Unless, your true goal
    has nothing to do with racial harmony or alleviating black suffering.

    Imagine for instance that you were a liberal in a very conservative nascent ME democracy. You support a moderately liberal female candidate for office. How effective would it be to demonize any and all conservative opposition to her as inspired by the worst imaginable motives? Not at all, right? In fact, if you were to do that, people might wonder if you really wanted a more liberal society at all.

  • ||

    Was supposed to be way upthread, weird.

  • ||

    It is always funny to hear some privileged white guy who isn't even old enough to remember Jim Crow much less suffer from it lecture people on racism.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    And yet, same privileged white guy will likely claim that the return of Jim Crow is juuuuust around the corner, any minute now.

    It never will return, of course, but you can't tell them logical shit like that. They simply won't believe it.

  • Tony||

    Of course that's silly. Racism will disappear as the old farts who are still racist die off. And along with it, "small government" conservatism.

  • ||

    God you really do live in a delusional world. The entire social welfare state is going bankrupt and about to disappear in a heap of corruption failure and unpaid debt. And you are convinced good times are on the way.

    Wow.

  • fish||

    John, it's better than that! Tony is now using gun control arguments (if we just stop making and selling firearms...well they'll all just rust away in a few years) for people.

    Just get rid of the old farts and the young ones will be putty in the masters hands!

    Megalomania anyone?

  • Tony||

    Racism will disappear as the old farts who are still racist die off. And along with it, the entire Democratic Party, the New Black Panthers, and every last supporter of Planned Parenthood.

  • Fatty Bolger||

    He's old enough to remember it, though he didn't live in the south.

  • ||

    Jim Crow ended in the mid 1960s. I doubt Tony is much over 30.

  • Hank||

    I think Fatty meant O'Donnell is old enough, but I lost track.

  • Dave||

    Pure BS.

    Seeing everything and everybody through the prism of race is racism. Therefore, Democrats are profoundly racist.

    The Tea Party, which has no race-based ideologies, is not even remotely racist.

    Get it????

  • Tony||

    That's not what the evidence says.

    "Only 35 percent of those who strongly approve of the tea party agreed that blacks are hardworking, compared with 55 percent of those who strongly disapprove of the tea party. On whether blacks were intelligent, 45 percent of the tea-party supporters agreed, compared with 59 percent of the tea-party opponents. And on the issue of whether blacks were trustworthy, 41 percent of the tea-party supporters agreed, compared with 57 percent of the tea-party opponents."

  • ||

    But they are willing to vote for a black man to be the highest office in the land. Those are statements about their perceptions of black culture not every individual black. And if you are willing to judge someone on their merits, then you really aren't racist. A large majority of them probably also conclude black people are better at basketball than white people, does that also mean they are racist or does it just mean they have bothered to watch the NBA in the last 40 years?

  • Tony||

    Those are pretty clearly signs of more racist thinking than average. As I said above, even the biggest racists will point out exceptions, maybe even vote for one.

  • ||

    Tony all you are saying is that everyone is racist until you say they aren't. Every time they do something that is not racist you just claim it is an exception.

    That is pathetic and it is a dog that won't hunt anymore. The term "racist" is a joke among the vast majority of the population. It only means something to liberal deadenders like yourself who still think it is 1968.

  • Tony||

    I just provided evidence that the tea party is more racist than average. Unless you don't think the sentiment "blacks are lazy, stupid, and untrustworthy" is racist.

  • The Art-P.O.G.||

    I only looked at the graph, but the survey only seemed to compare people who 'supported' or 'opposed' the tea party and not those who were indifferent.

  • ||

    Tony, you didn't major in statistics, did you?

  • Tony||

    ....no.....fellatio.

  • ||

    Tony,
    Has it become racist now to express opinion that is not politically correct ? Oh wait a minute, this is how America works right... do not ever say anything that his honestly critical about your real life experiences with black people as you are supposed to be guilty forever of white racism and eternally repent for it !

    Leftists like you playing the race card shows your intellectual bankruptcy. It also reeks of liberal desperation who think that crying the racism wolf is the only way you can keep blacks chained to the democrat plantation.

  • The Art-P.O.G.||

    Nope, that's how it starts. First you agree with the limited-government principles of the tea party, the next thing you're canvassing for Stormfront.

  • Dave||

    Tony, your arguments are seriously idiotic. Polls which show that a higher percentage of tea party supporters make certain valid assumptions regarding American black culture than tea party opponents does not prove your idiotic assertion that the tea party is racist. A sizable portion on either side support the above positions. Not only that, the above positions regarding black culture are politically incorrect/unpopular but verifiable facts. A black person in this country is statistically much more likely than non-blacks to be a criminal (less trustworthy), less educated (less intelligent) and less likely to be employed/more likely to be on welfare (less hardworking). How does agreement with proven facts make somebody racist??? Does somebody have to be delusional in order to be a non-racist??? How does this tendency (of an average member) to agree with politically unpopular facts make the tea party in any way racist???

    Even if tea party members did have a greater tendency than average to hold racist views (such as ALL black people are inherently inferior), that DOES NOT make the tea party racist. The tea party is racist if and only if it officially espouses the view that a race is inherently inferior. Get it??????!!!!

    You're basically arguing that a preponderance of a certain race/ethnicity in any group makes that party racist. By that logic, every group is racist.

    The tea party isn't racist - your arguments are racist.

    You don't like the message so you attack/slander the messenger. You should be ashamed of your racist attacks.

  • Cobra||

    Your statement on Black criminality is an unprovable lie, because it's too broad a statement.

    --Cobra

  • ||

    The millions of young black men under LEO supervision would beg to differ.

  • Cobra||

    OK. List all the crimes in the penal code, and then we'll discuss the commission rate in regards to race.

    --Cobra

  • Cobra||

    Don't confuse me with the facts, you you you--conservative!

  • Llama Face||

    That's foolish. You list all the crimes in the penal code in every state in the country. You're kind of an idiot, so I don't even know why I'm bothering, but:

    Personally, I will cite FBI crime stats, which state that victims of violent crimes in the US are statistically more likely to be non-white, as a proportion of the population. Non-white victims of violent crimes are more likely to identify their attackers as non-white, and the majority identify their attackers as black. This eliminates white people entirely from the equation. So, the crime problem in the black community has very little to do with white people, and more to do with black people. Hard to understand for someone who so firmly believes that every bad thing that has ever happened to a black person is the fault of a white person, but there you have it.

    These stats are the same every year. The stats are based on Uniform Crime Reports from police jurisdictions throughout the United States. And since it's non-whites accusing other non-whites of violent crime, you really can't call it a police conspiracy against black people.

    So I guess it's a totally unprovable lie unless you go find some evidence that's it's not a lie at all.

  • Joe M||

    I'd like to see how those numbers would change if we could end the damn drug war already.

  • Cobra||

    You see what you did? You changed "crime" to "violent crime" to fit your narrative. Bernie Madoff was every bit as much a "criminal" as a Black thug robbing a liquor store, but that's just not as sexy to talk about, is it? Which criminal activity accounted for more loss?

    --Cobra

  • Llama Face||

    This is obviously a very scientific study, with no bias whatsoever.

    "The University of Washington's Institute for the Study of Ethnicity, Race and Sexuality, is an interdisciplinary research center dedicated to bringing the tools of contemporary social science inquiry to the careful examination of issues of social, economic, and political exclusion and disadvantage of marginalized minority populations in the United States, and their potential solutions."

    I'm sure they were very objective in their research.

  • ||

    Ack! Blockquote tag trouble!

  • ||

    Aaaack! Threaded comments trouble!

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    O'Donnell seems to be suspicious of a conservative black person who "merely" founded a successful business and met a payroll. "Yeah, but what did you do for racial justice?" That says a whole lot about Donnell's interpretation of racial justice, when he excludes economic progress as successful.

    It's as if successful black businesspeople, *because* of their success, are assumed to be somehow inauthentic, at least in comparison to an activists who pickets successful businesses for not hiring enough of the activist's friends and associates.

  • ||

    I guess I'm not that familiar with Cain. What successful business was he the founder of?

    It's as if successful black businesspeople, *because* of their success, are assumed to be somehow inauthentic, at least in comparison to an activists who pickets successful businesses for not hiring enough of the activist's friends and associates.

    Have you heard of the Johnson Publishing Company?
  • ||

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    Good call, he didn't found Godfather's - my bad. He did help grow it, though, IIRC.

  • ||

    I think he actually shrunk it, but he did keep it from dying.

  • ||

    I belive he founded Godfather's Pizza.

  • ||

    Of course you do. That's nice.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    Wikipedia claims this (though the article was flagged for inadequate sourcing):

    "Godfather's was founded in Omaha, Nebraska, in 1973. In the early 1970's, William Theisen owned a beer parlor named Wild Willie's, next to a pizza restaurant named Godfather. Theisen bought out the pizza parlor and the name in 1974 and sold his first franchise. Theisen sold the company to Pillsbury in the mid-1980s and stepped down from actively managing the company. In 1986, Pillsbury named Herman Cain, CEO and President of the brand. Cain in turn led a group to purchase the Godfather's brand from Pillsbury, which they did by the beginning of 1990. Cain stepped down from his position as CEO and President in 2002. According to the company's official website, as of June 14, 2011, the chain has 622 locations in 39 U.S. states."

    Wikipedia also says that Johnson was the company that publish(ed? es?) Ebony and Jet. The white media was insulting to black people, so the founders said, "I bet black people would like some publications which cover us respectfully!" And so it proved. White people avoided this niche due to ignorance or prejudice - until these publications showed there was a market.

  • ||

    My point about Johnson publishing was that John H Johnson was a very successful black businessman who was very respected in the community. I'd bet that he was respected in large part because of his success, but I'm sure that his connection to his community was very important as well.

    According to Cain's Wikipedia page:

    Cain, over a 30-month period, reduced the company from 640 stores to 563[35] . As a result of his efforts, Godfather's Pizza sales were reduced from $275 million in 1986 to $242.5 million in 1988[35]. Godfather's Pizza was performing poorly, and had slipped in ranks of pizza chains from 3rd in 1985 to fifth in 1988 [36]. In a leveraged buyout in 1988, Cain, Executive Vice-President and COO Ronald B. Gartlan and a group of investors, bought Godfather's from Pillsbury. Godfather's sales remained level with Cain as CEO, ending at $265 million for 540 stores in 1996[35], when he resigned. [37].


    (I did not check any of the sources.)
    So he shrunk the company first then grew it from there, though he left it smaller than when he found it. Is that a success? I think we can say that it was not a failure. I, for one, am amazed that the business is still in operation.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    It would be very unfortunate if Godfather's went out of business.

    Wrong stereotype - but promoted by the company itself.

  • anon||

    This article neglects to sufficiently address the core issue here, and that is the overbroad definition of racism.

    All develop stereotypes of groups of people. Stereotypes help us identify the social situation we've placed ourselves in and conform more readily than attempting to confront every situation as if it were brand new. In general, stereotypes are good because they allow us to alleviate a potentially stressful situation before it happens.

    Racism, on the other hand, is the belief that a particular race is genetically inferior to another - a belief held by very few in American society.

    In short, racism bad stereotypes good.

  • ||

    I think your "stereotypes good" statement is just as overbroad as the definition of racism to which you object. I agree that stereotyping CAN be good when it is recognized as such (i.e. when it is used as a first-guess predictor with the understanding that it may very well be inapplicable to a specific individual), but it is quite damaging when people substitute stereotyping for actual knowledge (i.e. when someone acts on a stereotype when he/she should take the time and effort to figure out if it applies to the individual or not).

  • anon||

    Well yes, stereotyping assumes that the person can actually learn. A little stretch considering the state of government education.

  • Zeb||

    "Stereotypes good" might be going a bit too far. Setereotypes can be useful for the reasons you lay out, but not a good thing in and of itself.

  • fish||

    Setereotypes......

    I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE! Spelled Soetoro incorrectly though!

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Sorry, anon, but the liberal definition of racism is "we know it when we see it, and when we say someone is racist, THEY ARE RACIST. Because we said so, that's why".

  • Tony||

    Go to any article about Michelle Obama linked from Drudge. Not even open for interpretation.

  • ||

    No. They make fun of Michelle for being a fat hypocrite living like Marie Antoinette during a depression not for being black. And Nancy Reagan and Hillary Clinton took much worse and mean spirited beatings from the press than Queen Michelle ever has.

    God, if Hillary Clinton had ever gotten on Paula Dean's show and set a record for eating, her political career would have never started.

  • anon||

    I laughed a lot at the "set a record for eating." Nicely done sir.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Criticizing Michelle Obama = racism.

    God, Tony, what bullshit will you bring up next?

  • Tony||

    Or a wareagle post on this very thread.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racist

    How does that wareagle post square with Merriam-Webster?

  • ||

    O'Donnell should have been fired. You have to be a real serious piece of shit to question the actions of a kid on bus in the Jim Crow South.

    And the very same people who say this about Cain are think calling George Soros a collaborator (which he was) is out of line.

  • fish||

    O'Donnell should have been fired.

    Chances of that happening......? nil

    See how safe you are when you stay on the reservation.

  • Almanian||

    Yer alllllllllll RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACIST.

    That is all.

  • Tony||

    Finally, a voice of reason!

  • ||

    He's blacker than their blackie. Their fear that they might lose a few percentage points in the black vote is driving all this.

  • ||

    If he even got 10% of the black vote, in a two person race Obama would lose in a Dukaukus like electoral blowout.

    Yeah, they are terrified.

  • ||

    If it is Cain v. Shitstick, I hope it is an asswhooping like

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.....tion,_1984

    Though I think that Herr Shitstick might still take Illinois and New York.

  • Cobra||

    How did Cain do in that Georgia Senate primary race in 2004?

    --Cobra

  • ||

    Parker defines racism broadly enough to include the belief that "Irish, Italians, Jewish, and many other minorities overcame prejudice and worked their way up, blacks should do the same without special favors"—

    I love this attitude. If you believe all races should be treated equally - you're a racist.

  • Dave||

    Yes, it's typical nonsensical liberal Orwellian doublespeak.

    If you're against affirmative racism/action and for a color blind society, according to liberals you're a racist.

    It's not only insane - it's evil.

  • ||

    Every cop is a criminal and all the sinners saints. yeah, it is evil. That is what evil really looks like.

  • ||

    How about every cop is a saint, and no one is EVER falsely accused of a crime? Evil has many faces.

  • ||

    You miss the point. The nature of evil is about false equivalence. Your small evils justify my big evils and because you are don't perfectly live up to your ideals, you are just as bad as someone who has no ideals or false ideals. Thus every every sinner is a saint and vice versa. It was not meant to start a Balko thread.

  • Cobra||

    Tell me at what point in American History we had a "color blind society".

    --Cobra

  • ||

    And tell me how now handing out benefits on the basis of color and ensuring that we will never have one helps? And Chinese and Asians got screwed just as badly as anyone else. And their reward for succeeding and being systematically discriminated against.

  • Cobra||

    America handed out benefits on the basis of color for nearly two centuries. If you were a White Male Land Owner you were the bees knees, and that economic head start and advantage shaped the society we have today. Why are you living in denial of history?

    --Cobra

  • Mr. FIFY||

    I'm a white male land owner, and I haven't been given jack shit, Cobra.

    BTW, it took my parents working forty years of their lives, to buy the house they left me in their will. So don't even go into whatever bullshit diatribe you'll go into next.

  • Cobra||

    Mr. FIFY writes:

    "I haven't been given jack shit"

    Then Mr. FIFY writes:

    "BTW, it took my parents working forty years of their lives, to buy the house they left me in their will."

    You REALLY need to think these statements out before you post them, sir.

    Just saying. ;-)

    --Cobra

  • Mr. FIFY||

    I do not consider inheriting a fifty-year-old house with "being given things", asshole.

    And don't fuckin' smiley-face me. You blame me and every other white man for your fucking problems. Take some initiative and figure out why you're *really* so angry.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Would you rather the house be sold at auction and the money my parents toiled over forty years to buy it, be given to layabout welfare shitbags?

    I'd say your answer would be affirmative.

  • Cobra||

    You don't consider an inheritance as "being given things?"

    Really?

    --Cobra

  • Mr. FIFY||

    No, I don't.

    Jealous?

  • Cobra||

    Why should I be jealous of you? Why would I be jealous of somebody who thinks he "hasn't been given anything" after claiming his parents gave him their house.

    --Cobra

  • Dave||

    It's all part of the grand liberal strategy. Keep racial minorities poor, uneducated and dependent on government charity. They will continue to vote for Democrats who will promise more government charity and special favors. It's evil but brilliant. Some examples of this strategy:

    1. Continue to support the grand failure of public education while blocking any rational reform such as vouchers.
    2. Continue expanding the welfare state so that the rewards for laziness are enhanced and the rewards for hard work and bettering oneself are diminished.
    3. Fight any attempt to turn back government racism.
    4. Continue supporting the drug war which fuels inner city drug pushing and violence and incarcerates poor blacks at very high rate.
    5. Stuff new bills (even Obamacare) with racist policies.
    6. Call anybody who disagrees with the above a "racist" and if he/she's black label them an "Uncle Tom."

  • teh rael o2||

    pure radio entertainment. stick to something u actually know cause "teh lub-rahls" aint it

  • ||

    Everything on it is true. Liberals love teachers' unions and their money more than they care about black students. Liberals claim to be against the drug war but never once hold their leaders accountable for continuing it.

    You just scream nonsense because the truth hurts so much.

  • o3||

    prove what you posted is true.

  • ||

    Why don't liberals support school choice even though it helps black students? Why do liberals support teachers' unions even though they destroy the quality of education especially in big cities? And name me one liberal politician who ever lost an election for being to harsh about the drug war?

  • Cobra||

    White Conservatives supported school SEGREGATION, and now you're waving the flag for school choice?

    --Cobra

  • ||

    And liberals once supported eugenics and radical white supremacy. Every good progressive in the 1930s believed in such. And liberals to this day support abortion on demand in no small part because it keeps the black population down. And your point is?

  • Cobra||

    Many White Conservatives never stopped with White Supremacist thought. It explains many of the posts on this thread.

    --Cobra

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Go ahead and say "All White Conservatives", asshole. Or, more correctly, "All White Non-Liberals".

    You know you want to.

  • Cobra||

    Why should I? Some of my best friends are White Conservatives.

    :-)

    --Cobra

  • Mr. FIFY||

    I call bullshit on that one, Angry Black Man.

  • Cobra||

    I swear. My best friend is a White Conservative. We hardly ever talk about politics anymore. He's a great guy, and we get along.

    --Cobra

  • The Art-P.O.G.||

    OK, so some white Conservatives are racist and some white liberals are racist and some blacks are racist. So?

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Weren't we told by Old Learned Black Men that only white people can be racist?

    I am confuse.

  • Toolbag||

    You don't have friends.

  • DLM||

    Keep racial minorities poor, uneducated and dependent on government charity.

    I don't believe this is an actually strategy, but it does seem to turn out that way.

  • Warty||

    The other day, I saw a recycling bin that had two compartments. They were marked CLEAR GLASS ONLY and COLORED GLASS ONLY.

    Racism, straight up.

  • ||

    If niggardly is no longer acceptable in polite company, how can colored not be as well? Those people are just animals.

  • The Art-P.O.G.||

    Whoa, whoa, what do you mean "those people"?

  • ||

    Oh God. its the racism. It is like a virus.

  • ||

    That's why black olives are in a can.

  • ||

    but green ones are in jars.

  • DLM||

    I wonder what word the government uses for "black" when translating documents into Spanish?

  • wayne||

    It's endemic.

  • WTF||

    Not substantive; only 3 sentences. We adults who probably make more than you are trying to have a conversation.

  • Grant||

    Maybe it's because he has a man smoking in his video

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    By Weigel and Parker's standards, it's racist for whites to praise the Montgomery Bus Boycott and Rosa Parks.

    Rosa Parks and the other Montgomery leaders not only asked black people to boycott the city-operated buses, they established car pools so that blacks could get to work without buses. That sounds a lot like those "Irish, Italians, Jewish, and many other minorities" who, denied employment at majority businesses and membership in majority clubs, etc., organized their own.

  • ||

    Everyone is racist until they say you aren't. Every time they do something that is not racist, they just claim it is an exception and you are doing to hide your real racism.

  • Eduard van Haalen||

    Anyone who denies being a racist simply is proving that he's a witch. I mean racist.

  • ||

    If the saboteur denies being one under interrogation that just means he is a true believer who is covering up for his cohorts.

    Read Darkness at Noon sometime. It has these people down.

  • ||

    She turned me into a newt.

  • JMW||

    I see you got better though.

  • ||

    RE: The campaign add that shows a guy smoking.

    The last couple of day the media has been all over the "Bizarre Herman Cain ad"

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-50.....f-smoking/

    I watched the ad, and at the end of ad, I was like, "so, where is the bizzare part?" There is a dude taking a drag off a cigarette. Apparently none of the MSM fucks have never been to Kingman, Arizona or Joplin, Missouri. People there smoke like fucking chimneys.

    Then I thought, this might be a stroke of genius. A lot of the smokers in the aforementioned town vote democrat. You know these I-better-than-you-how-you-should-live-your-life progressive fuckwagons running the MSM harp on the smoking angle saying, if you smoke, you are piece of shit. Not wanting to becalled a peice of shit for making a decision they think they have the choice to make, some of these democratic smoker might go to Cain.

  • ||

    I never got what is so bizarre about it either.

  • ||

    these I-better-than-you-how-you-should-live-your-life progressive fuckwagons running the MSM harp on the smoking angle saying, if you smoke, you are piece of shit.
    --------------------------
    and yet, go to a deep blue city; Asheville NC comes to mind. The number of tattoed, pierced, vegans who light one of the next is mind-boggling, almost as much as how these self-proclaimed defenders of the planet use it as an ashtray.

  • ||

    Good column

  • The Art-P.O.G.||

    Oh yeah, this. I guess it's been awhile since I commented on the actual article in the comments section, but this is a fine article.

  • Robert||

    It's so funny that if you characterize blacks are being disproportionately on the dole, you're racist, but if you're for cutting the dole, you're racist because blacks are disproportionately on the dole.

  • ||

    Yes, the witch doctor pics could be construed as racist. . . . but I remember cartoons of Reagan as a witch doctor brewing up Voo-Doo economics. Same goes for GWB as a chimp.

  • cynical||

    "Even many left-of-center observers, such as Mediate.com columnist Tommy Christopher, were aghast at the spectacle of a white liberal smugly chiding a black man for the personal choices he made in a very difficult time."

    MNG is a liberal. O'Donnell is a prog. Historically, they're no strangers to racism. I doubt progressives like the idea of black men achieving greatness on their own (outside of athletics, perhaps), since it undermines the myth of the progressive white man's burden.

  • Cobra||

    Actually, O'Donnell is an admitted socialist. And White Conservatives have absolutely no business criticizing White Liberals, Progressives or Socialists when it comes to racism in America.

    --Cobra

  • ||

    Socialists get a pass. Not like they ever supported eugenics or forced sterilization or anything.

    You really are a public school victim aren't you?

  • Cobra||

    Yeah, John...I not only went to a public school, but to an INTEGRATED public school--Satan's Incubator!!!

    Boohoohahahahahaha!

    --Cobra

  • Red Rocks Rockin||

    That's pretty obvious, considering you can't do basic math.

  • Cobra||

    Yip. Im anudder rasist nigerffagot viktom ov tha publick ejucayshun sistum.

  • Tony||

    You're obviously a victim of Beck U.

  • Tony||

    I'm obviously retarded.

  • DLM||

    Yup. Definitely racist. I suppose you'll next propose sending all whites that don't have the correct opinions to reeducation camps.

  • Cobra||

    As a matter of fact, I was just about to suggest that.

  • Josef the Progressive||

    People must be lumped into racial categories then judged as a whole and not on their individualism if we progressives have any chance to crush the individual's rights and do what is best for society by uniting the workers of the world.

  • chris||

    Though I don't particularly like Herman Cain for many of the reasons discussed in this article I can also completely understand his actions during the 60s. When you're in a position of danger, as black people were during that time, there are always some who will attack that danger and rally to end it, knowing their lives are even more at risk because of it. And there are always those who are aware of the battles being fought, and are supportive of those battles, but do not want to make things worse for themselves. Clearly Herman Cain's father was an individual who may have very much supported the actions of the people involved in the civil rights movement (not saying he did or didn't) but simply did not want to put himself or his family in any more danger than they were already in simply by being people of color. You can speculate on how his upbringing has affected his character today, and decide that you don't want to support him based on that, but the left's judgement of him is stepping into territory that many of them have no business being in, and therefore I can't agree wholeheartedly with their actions.

  • Cobra||

    I'm not saying that punks aren't human beings. I'm saying that punks should puff out their chests decades later and proclaim themselves as "Real Black Men" as Herman Cain does.

    --Cobra

  • Mr. FIFY||

    So, you get to judge who's black and who isn't.

    Fuck you.

  • Torri Hunter||

    No, I get to do that.

    I'm working on the list, but David Ortiz is not on it; I can confirm that.

  • Tony||

    He's not Cobra....he's...he's...Black Dynamite!

  • Cobra||

    You must have me confused with Herman Cain. He's the guy who claims to be a "real Black man" and has a more "authentic Black American experience" than Obama.

    --Cobra

  • DDavis||

    If you were working class and against Communism, you were a class traitor. If you are black and not a liberal, you're a race traitor.

    Marxist idiocy is alive and well.

  • Cobra||

    Do you believe that traitors exist? If you do...what's your definition?

    --Cobra

  • J_L_B||

    If your asking me what human beings have a duty to seek the betterment of, I would say themselves and their families are of utmost importance.

    I can see how their race could be low on that list in comparison.

    Further, I can see from that how Herman Cain's father seeing his responsibility to see his soon survive tumultuous times as paramount to anything else; as I can see John Lewis choosing differently.

    I don't deride either of them for their choices.

  • Cobra||

    What about those who chose to be government snitches for COINTELPRO? What would you consider them?

    --Cobra

  • Cobra||

    I believe anyone who isn't wearing a white hood like mine is a racist.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Exactly, D.

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  • Cobra's 12th Grade Term Paper||

    It was a dark and stormy night. Suddenly, a shot rang out! A door slammed. The maid screamed.
    Suddenly, a pirate ship appeared on the horizon!
    While millions of people were starving, the king lived in luxury. Meanwhile, on a small farm in Kansas, a boy was growing up.

    A light snow was falling, and the little girl with the tattered shawl had not sold a violet all day.
    At that very moment, a young intern at City Hospital was making an important discovery. The mysterious patient in Room 213 had finally awakened. She moaned softly.
    Could it be that she was the sister of the boy in Kansas who loved the girl with the tattered shawl who was the daughter of the maid who had escaped from the pirates?
    The intern frowned.
    “Stampede!” the foreman shouted, and forty thousand head of cattle thundered down on the tiny camp. The two men rolled on the ground grappling beneath the murderous hooves. A left and a right. A left. Another left and right. An uppercut to the jaw. The fight was over. And so the ranch was saved.
    The young intern sat by himself in one corner of the coffee shop. He had learned about medicine, but more importantly, he had learned something about life.

    THE END

  • ||

    "Leftism" is a meaningless term.I do know that so-called "anti-racists" are really just Anti-whites,and that they advocate white genocide in the name of "anti-racism".

    Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

  • Mr. FIFY||

    Which makes them no better than the David Dukes of the world.

  • Cobra||

    Do you believe that American History contains anything that people who aren't White should have taken issue with?

    --Cobra

  • unclesmrgol||

    Chauncey de Vega's grandmother probably kept warm in winter using the coal my Italian grandfather died mining.

    Sorry, Chancellor of the Privy, no special favors.

  • ||

    " Liberals accuse conservatives of wanting to bring back Jim Crow"

    Why would conservatives want to bring back DEMOCRATIC PARTY policies!?! One of the biggest historical white-wash jobs is that of the Democratic Party, the party of the Slaveholders, Jim Crow, KKK and Segregation...the Democrats are obsessed with race.

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