The Right To Be a Jerk

The First Amendment protects ugly speech.

Being a jerk is not a crime. That's a lucky break for many of us, but it wasn't enough to keep Nate Cox out of hot water. On a fine spring day in April, Cox was driving down the street in Richmond, Virginia when he spied a member of the VCU campus Police Department nearby. Cox grabbed a bullhorn and shouted, "Stop harassing people, we pay your paychecks!" (Why did he have a bullhorn? That's an interesting question, but orthogonal to the issues here.)

Officer S.W. Kelley—the target of the taunt—jumped in his car, gave chase and pulled Cox over. When Cox asked why, Kelley told him, "You looked like you were a little distracted when you were driving." Kelley wrote up a charge of obstructing justice -- which is an odd thing to write someone up for if you're concerned that he's not keeping his eyes on the road. Cox asked how he had obstructed justice. Kelley replied that Cox "distracted me from doing my job."

Cox demanded to speak with Kelley's supervisor. When the supervisor arrived, he and Cox had a frank exchange of views, and Kelley issued a new citation, for disorderly conduct. The supervisor told Cox that yelling at Kelley through a bullhorn was disorderly conduct. Cox, who also had a camera with him, posted a video of the incident online. You can find it at www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y85wzcIYYg—or just Google "the state vs. Nate Cox."

If you watch the clip, you might come away with the impression that Cox acted like an obnoxious punk. How? He said something that wasn't nice to a policeman, and he said it loudly. And as Kelley testified, "his attitude and the way he went about carrying himself" were on the sassy side—though there's no law requiring citizens to display cringing submission in the presence of a policeman, either.

Now, none of us is a mind reader. But it seems fair to wonder whether Kelley would have written Cox up if Cox had bellowed something more flattering to the ego, such as: "Thanks for keeping our streets safe, Officer!"

If the answer is no, then it looks as though Cox received a fine and a suspended jail sentence simply for expressing an opinion the government doesn't like. They do that sort of thing—in places like Cuba and North Korea. We're not supposed to do it in America.

But suppose the answer is yes. Suppose Cox had been given a summons for distracting Officer Kelley with high-decibel flattery. Does yelling at a cop as you're driving by meet the standard for disorderly conduct?

Not hardly. Virginia law specifies that disorderly conduct "shall not be deemed to include the utterance or display of any words." Further, it must have "a direct tendency to cause acts of violence by the person … at whom … such conduct was directed." And there is a whole string of cases in which the courts have found that people who said things much worse to police officers than Cox did had a First Amendment right to do so. In one, Ford v. City of Newport News, the accused "was so loud and boisterous that apartment dwellers in a nearby building came out on their porch and asked if the officers needed help." Yet the court found no basis for a disorderly-conduct charge.

Then there is City of Houston v. Hill, in which Raymond Wayne Hill started yelling at two Houston cops during an incident in 1982. "Why don't you pick on someone your own size?" he hollered. One of the officers asked, "[A]re you interrupting me in my official capacity as a Houston police officer?" Hill shot back, "Yes, why don't you pick on somebody my size?" The officers took him up on the suggestion and arrested Hill for violating a city ordinance prohibiting "intentionally interrupt[ing] a city policeman … by verbal challenge during an investigation."

This, the Supreme Court said, was wrong: "The freedom of individuals verbally to oppose or challenge police action without thereby risking arrest is one of the principal characteristics by which we distinguish a free nation from a police state," the court ruled. (By poetic coincidence, one of the officers in the Hill case was named Kelley.) Time and again, the courts also have said police officers should "exercise a higher degree of restraint" than the average citizen, even in response to so-called fighting words.

Yet despite all this, a couple of weeks ago Nate Cox was found guilty.

Earlier in the proceedings, Cox's lawyer had made a motion to dismiss the case. Richmond Judge Robert Pustilnik was unpersuaded. "Based on the content of the statement, your client was trying to be a jerk, and create trouble in a situation which had nothing to do with him, in which he had no business. Motion is denied."

Pustilnik is not what anyone would call a sworn enemy of the First Amendment. Back in December, he struck down the city of Richmond's new noise ordinance as unconstitutional, on the grounds that it was overly broad and that it discriminated in favor of religious utterances, which it exempted.

But this case, Pustilnik said during the trial, "is not a First Amendment situation. This is not some free-speech rights. This is a person who was … trying to aggravate an officer and incite something … for absolutely no reason."
Cox has appealed. Five bucks says he'll win. Charles Dickens may have been right when his Mr. Bumble called the law "a ass—a idiot." But there's nothing in it that says you can't act like one.

A. Barton Hinkle is a columnist at the Richmond Times-Dispatch. This article originally appeared at the Richmond Times-Dispatch.

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  • Some Call Me. . .Tim||

    "Virginia clamps down on Cox"

    Shoulda been your lede

  • Hugh Akston||

    VA judge puts Cox under wraps.

  • ||

    I was born a poor black child.

  • Doktor Kapitalism||

    And that's changed somehow? I can understand getting richer but are you white now or something?

  • ||

    I was born.

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    What, you never saw the movie?

  • Doktor Kapitalism||

    I can see I'm not wanted here. I'm leaving! I don't need ANY of you! I'm leaving. All I need is my dog. My dog and this watch. My dog, this watch, and this paddle game. All I need is my dog, this watch, this paddle game, and this chair...

  • ||

    Wow, that was quick.

  • ||

    Which is to say, yes, he's seen it. Quite recently, apparently.

  • ||

    (also, a pretty good choice of quote for the context)

  • Combaticus||

    Google. It's like magic.

  • ||

    Son, that's shit. And this: shinola.

  • ||

    THE NEW PHONE BOOK'S HERE! THE NEW PHONE BOOK'S HERE!

  • Doktor Kapitalism||

    I see prank calls in your future, or do you actually have a reason for this excitement that isn't explicable by that or drugs?

  • ||

    Dude, you might want to read down below to understand how much is going over your head right now.

  • ||

    Good Lord--I've heard about this--cat juggling! Stop! Stop! Stop it! Stop it! Stop it! Good Father, could there be a God that would let this happen?

  • ||

    HE HATES THESE CANS!

  • ||

    Stay away from the cans.

  • ||

    DIE, GAS PUMPER!!!

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    "These cans are defective!"

    "That guy is defective!"

  • Fiscal Meth||

    Navin Johnson....that sounds like a typical random bastard!

  • ||

    am now giggling at my desk at work...

    ...people looking weird at me...

    ...still giggling...

    ...need to watch 'the jerk' again soon... Bernadette was hot once....

  • Almanian||

    Saw Steve Martin live back in the white-suit 70's. I thought, how funny can this guy be? I've heard all his jokes on the record? (remember those?)

    He was teh HIGHlarious. Excellent.

    "You can't sing a sad song when you're playing a banjo.....oh death, and sorrow, and anger, and murder....*smiles*.."

  • ||

    i still own "comedy is not pretty'

  • ||

    He was damned funny in his time. I like several of his movies--The Jerk, All of Me, The Man With Two Brains, Roxanne, even some of L.A. Story (his "Woody Allen" movie).

  • Trespassers W||

    Be somebody!

  • ||

    The Lonely Guy had its moments.

    "Hey Warren! Does The Lonely Guy's store have Gene Hackman?"

    "Yeah, but you have to order him one week before shipping!"

  • ||

    the latte scene in LA Story was also remarkably prescient as to the whole Starbucks coffee culture...

  • Trespassers W||

    I'll have a half double decaffeinated half-caf. With a twist of lemon.

  • Fatty Bolger||

    That's about the only thing I remember from that movie. Well, that and getting into the car to drive to a house half a block away.

  • ||

    I think next week I'll be able to send some more money as I may have extra work. My friend Patty promised me a blow job.

  • ||

    That Patty must be a sweet girl.

  • ||

    [coughs]

  • Ted S.||

    Kindly turn your head when you cough.

  • Hugh Akston||

    She's not some great piece of ass!

  • Hugh Akston||

    The Lord loves a working man; don't trust Whitey; if you get it, see a doctor and get rid of it.

  • IceTrey||

    Then I got a job as a tv weatherman.

  • ||

    ""Further, it must have "a direct tendency to cause acts of violence by the person … at whom … such conduct was directed." ""

    Cop: He yell at me with a bullhorn so I was about to commit an act of violence on his person.

  • ||

    i realize you are joking, but cops have a duty to have a "higher" tolerance of so called fighting words, etc. and this has been a constant in const. law.

    for example, many would argue that walking up to within 6 ft of a black man and calling him a "fucking N***er" over and over to his face would constitute fighting words, and at least warrant police to seperate the guy, if not arrest him for disorderly, etc.

    except when that is yelled at a cop who is standing on the line guarding the federal building at N30 (anniversary of WTO).

    i saw this happen to one of my partners and he did the right thing... nothing. cops are supposed to have significantly more restraint when it comes to such verbal taunts, etc. those who don't have it need to man the fuck up... or quit

  • ||

    So, this guy would be subject to arrest?

  • ||

    Done in by the spoof handle again.

    [shakes fist at mirror]

  • ||

    Allowances must be made for tOSUians in their time of great wailing and gnashing of teeth.

  • EDG reppin' LBC||

    Screw Pryor, Small and all the rest! I can't believe they killed the Sweater Vest. Sucks. I know they are college kids, but c'mon. They knew better. They are causing a total shit storm for what, like $15,000 in booty? Sucks.

  • ||

    You just had to go there heading into the weekend, didn't you?

    You motherfucker.

  • ||

    I'm only mildly amused by your suffering, but I think it's a holiday in Michigan.

  • Almanian||

    Fuck Ohio State. Also, Fuck Michigan.

    Working in the former while continuing to reside in the latter, I'm an equal-opportunity hater.

    Also, won't be a holiday in Meeeeechigan till that fucking football team up north WINS a game. The OSU coach getting fired? Yeah - that's what led to the Tressel Reign of Terror!

    We Michiganderanians wanna see some Buckeye scalp afore we do any celabratin'...

  • ||

    We Michiganderanians wanna see some Buckeye scalp afore we do any celabratin'...

    Looks like you're gonna be waiting for quite a while. tOSU had another great recruiting class and scUM has got players for a system they ain't gonna play no more. Also...

    [clears throat]
    Fuck Michigan!

  • Ted S.||

    You mean AN Ohio State University.

  • ||

    That was the unkindest cut of all.

    I do think the coming probation is going to do some serious harm to the program.

  • ||

    fwiw, i had a gangbanger asshole (warrant for weapons violation and possession of stolen property)in my car one day, driving him to jail.

    he pulled some "man, fuck you! i'll fuck your sister and... " bla bla bla

    my response? turn up the country music station in my police car and ignore him.

    he complained at the jail, that i was racially harassing him because, ... and i quote "black people don't like country music"

    lol. racial harassment by country music.

    what about charlie pride>? or darius rucker? or...

  • ||

    1) Country music is Southern.

    2) All Southerners are racists.

    3) Therefore, country music is racist.

  • ||

    well, i did play BOTH kinds of music... Country *and* Western

  • ||

    Is your real name Bob, and are you originally from Chicago?

  • ||

    It's got a cop motor, a 440 cubic inch plant, it's got cop tires, cop suspensions, cop shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas. What do you say, is it the new Bluesmobile or what?

  • ||

    we had a chief once who hated pursuits so much he actually bought police cars purposefully with as weak an engine as he could get.

    so, ... of course when he was long gone, but those cars were still in our motor pool, naturally, the rookies got the piece of shit cars(cue: adam sandler).

    i rolled up on an auto stripping in progress one day in one of those things. i thought it was a disabled vehicle at first (well, it was... guys were stripping it on the side of the highway).

    i get out of my car. i start walking towards them. they take one look at me and rabbit right back into their car and take off at a high rate of speed.

    i get back in my car, literally FLOOR it and they recede rapidly in the distance... like the enterprise did on the original star trek when it engaged warp drive... or... well, you get the picture.

    it was fucking embarassing. i felt like fred sanford in my jalopy (sp?)

    i get on the radio all pissed off and basically say "well, i would be in pursuit but i got this gutless car that couldn't catch a cold, so i'm not. here's the plate.... and..."

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    Fix the cigarette lighter.

  • ||

    Fix the cigarette lighter.

  • Pop Culture Overdose||

    Make it stop.

  • Sean W. Malone||

    +1

  • ||

    It's the transitive property.

  • 0x90||

    "my response? turn up the country music station in my police car..."

    There's his problem right there: he chose to play the race card, when what he should have done was to have you cited for cruel and unusual punishment.

  • Combaticus||

    Here's what I wanna know: *Has the race card EVER worked against a cop?* I mean, you pull some guy over and he says, "You're just hassling me because I'm black"—has any cop in history ever said, "You're right, sir. You're free to go"?

  • ||

    [fwiw, i had a gangbanger asshole]

    You're admitting you're a cop asshole?? Here you're admitting that??

    Meaningful jobs that hard to get?

  • Jeffersonian||

    Under the Commerce Clause, the cop can order you to go buy a dog so he can shoot it.

  • OO||

    reinforces the expression "dont tell me what the law is, tell me who the judge is".

  • ||

    Sure, Cox was acting like an idiot, writes A. Barton Hinkle, but don’t forget that the First Amendment protects his right to do so.

    Unfortunately, they forgot to pass Amendment 1A, which gives people the right to punch jerks in the face.

  • Doktor Kapitalism||

    Not sure if this counts, but the Second allows for carrying guns. An armed society is a polite society.

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    Cops carry guns, yet seem to feel no need whatsoever to be polite.

  • Doktor Kapitalism||

    There goes that hypothesis.

    Here's an idea: police go unarmed, while everyone else is armed, and they must convince a citizen to arrest criminals.

    Ideas?

  • Brendan Perez||

    Perfect. The police are paid to do full time what we all have the power and duty to do.

    If the police want to arrest someone and don't believe they can do it safely unarmed, they need to deputize nearby citizens and allow the citizens to present the warrant.

    That, and/or dissolving the concept of qualified immunity would work nicely.

  • ||

    PJ Orourke in his classic Parliament of Whores remarking on the whole flag burning debate (at the time, which of course was properly ruled on by the scotus) that the response of one town was to pass a law making it a (iirc) $50 fine to beat up a flag burner

    lol

  • Hooha||

    Hey... where's the Friday Drawing!? I need to get in my weekly perscribed dose of judgemental douchebaggery!

    DON'T MAKE ME GO HANG OUT AT STARBUCKS, REASON!

  • Doktor Kapitalism||

    Hadn't noticed, but yeah, there hasn't been a Friday unFunny yet.

  • Doktor Kapitalism||

    Am I just ignorant of one more normal thing, or is anyone else stumped by that picture?

  • Ska||

    Steve Martin, in The Jerk.

    Pro L's poor black child and replies are lines from said film.

    You will notice grips on the bridge of the glasses; this is a key plot device.

  • ||

    Have you never heard of the OptiGrab? You could have gotten in on the huge class-action suit and collected $1.09.

  • ||

    You're ignorant. It's from The Jerk.

  • Doktor Kapitalism||

    There are a lot of movies I haven't seen. This is one of them.

  • ||

    Whatever preconceptions you may have, you should watch this film.

  • Doktor Kapitalism||

    I just might.

  • ||

    Doktor K, I'm gonna have to seriously consider calling for a mass shunning of you until you see that movie. You have exactly one week to correct this. After that, I'm gonna call for a voluntary shunning.

  • ||

    How could a libertarian not have seen that movie? It's about a self-made man who is undone by the state in their zeal to interfere in private transactions.

    A libertarian masterpiece at least as important as Atlas Shrugged.

  • IceTrey||

    Actually it was a class action product liability suit brought by people who had become cross eyed from using the OptiGrab that brought this brash capitalist down.

  • ||

    The case was bullshit. And the judge should have recused himself for obvious reasons.

  • ||

    That was your first mistake. Your second was not seeing that we were obviously quoting something.

    And: I'm picking out a Thermos for you. Not an ordinary Thermos for you. But the extra best Thermos that you can buy, with vinyl and stripes and a cup built right in.

  • ||

    The Lord loves a working man. Don't trust whitey. See a doctor and get rid of it. Bye, grandma.

  • ||

    Hey, this is like a ride!

  • Fiscal Meth||

    Right. We can't have bunnies eating all the vegetables.

  • ||

    I shit you not: the Thermos song randomly popped into my head this afternoon. Freaky.

  • ||

    it's all part of the lattice of coincidence. you should read dianetics while eating a plate of shrimp

  • ||

    John Wayne was a fag.

  • RockLibertyWarrior||

    There isn't a repo man I know that doesn't do speed.

  • ||

    I do my best thinking on the bus, that's how come I don't drive.

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    Dude, you haven't seen The Jerk?

    It's a classic.

  • ||

    seriously dood. major whoooooosh.

    the obscure reference thing can get a little old. i guess it's like dennis miller'ism run amok.

    it's kind of a continuation of high school nerd-dom (in high school, it was mostly monty python, dennis adams, dr who, clockwork orange, rock and roll high school, and other such references... but the tendency remains with nerds...), the constant attempts to out reference each other , but

    THE JERK???

    this movie is seminal (hu hu hu) . it's a fucking CLASSIC.

  • Pop Culture Overdose||

    Also a must: Caddyshack. Really, it's the Funniest Movie Ever™. That Chevy Chase...what a hoot! And Rodney Dangerfield? He really doesn't get any respect! And get this: there's this rodent that sounds exactly like Flipper!

  • ||

    "The freedom of individuals verbally to oppose or challenge police action without thereby risking arrest is one of the principal characteristics by which we distinguish a free nation from a police state,"

    So, not even thirty years ago, we had a SCOTUS that actually understood the U.S. Constitution?

  • Res Publica Americana||

    New Deal broke'd the USSC forever.

  • Officer Kelley||

    Look, my job is to bust kids for drinking and smoking dope. Any time I get harangued by some turd with a bullhorn, that's less time I'm pounding the pavement, stomping out joints and pouring out beers. If distracting me from doing my work isn't obstructing justice, I don't know what is.

  • Coeus||

    though there's no law requiring citizens to display cringing submission in the presence of a policeman, either.

    Sure there is. Obstruction of justice, interference with an investigation, resisting arrest... At least that's the way they're normally used.

  • Ska||

    Don't forgot dis con. Can never forget that catch all.

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    I don't need you; I don't need anything. All I need is this Thermos.

    And this lamp. I need this lamp.

    But that's all I need. This Thermos and this lamp.

    And this chair.

  • ||

    this case isn't even close. the cop was absolutely 100% wrong. and should be disciplined.

    the proper response to somebody like cox is "thank you sir. have a nice day".

    sarcasm is ok. harassing a citizen is NEVER ok.

  • Xenocles||

    I don't think guys like you (and whit over at VC) get enough credit, disagree though we may sometimes.

  • ||

    thx man.

  • Barely Suppressed Rage||

    Waiter! There are snails on her plate! You would think, in a fancy place like this, with the prices they charge, you would be able to keep the snails off the food!

    Now take this away and bring me some of those little sandwiches you talked me out of before.

  • ||

    And please get me some fresh grape juice. I hate the old rotten kind, even if it's in a nice glass.

  • Ska||

    Thank God for movie quotes distracting me from the eral story, which just makes me want to puke.

  • ||

    me too. this shit fucking disgusts me. this guy is a complete 100% disgrace to the badge

  • Fiscal Meth||

    You seem like a good man Dunphy. I wish they could all be like you.

  • ||

    yes. just like me. but they should all look like kate beckinsdale.

  • Almanian||

    look like kate beckinsale

    Thanks for thinking about us, dunphy - I'm starting to like you more, and more :)

  • Mensan||

    They should all look like Kate Beckinsale.

    And Jessica Biel.

    Kate Beckinsale, Jessica Biel, and Kelly Hu.

    And Scarlett Johansson.

    They should all look like Kate Beckinsale, Jessica Biel, Kelly Hu, Scarlett Johansson, and Adrianna Lima.

  • Never Gets Old||

    Yes it does.

  • TANSTAAFL||

    If they all looked like Kate I would be the world's biggest recidivist

  • Merlin's tiny wand||

    You seem like a rare gem, dunphy. A cop with decency. I have to ask, do your co-workers sit around and discuss the best strategies for ass-raping the citizenry (like Roman Polanski with 13 year old girls) or is it more reflexive and instinctual (like my german shepard with my pug)

  • ||

    I don't wanna puke.

  • ||

    just one more wafer-thin mint...

  • ||

    No, no, you're doing it wrong, Mr. Creosote. Still in The Jerk.

  • ||

    i thought i was allowed to transition into another movie. if this was a breach of protocol, i apologize.

    no need to go stampeding towards the clitoris after all

  • ||

    No, we're libertarians. We have few rules.

  • ||

    ...which just makes me want to puke.

    I'm gonna bounce back and when I do I'm gonna buy you a diamond so big it's gonna make you puke.

  • ||

    I don't wanna puke.

  • Hugh Akston||

    He's some dog, he's a lifesaver. That's what I'm gonna call him too, Old LifeSaver!

  • ||

    Don't call him lifesaver. Call him stupid.

  • Fiscal Meth||

    "Based on the content of the statement, your client was trying to be a jerk, and create trouble in a situation which had nothing to do with him, in which he had no business. Motion is denied."

    Was this the judge they call Judy? Sounds like one of her rulings, only less just.

  • ||

    trying to be a jerk? god knows, if anything is constitutionally protected, "trying to be a jerk" is.

    if and when it got to the point where his verbal harangues were inciting a crowd towards violence or something... that would be actionable. that wasn't remotely the case here.

    the guy drove off... entirely his right... and the cop stopped him for whatever other reason CLEARLY on a pretext and clearly based on the cop's displeasure with the man's CLEARLY CONSTITUTIONAL harangue.

    aboolutely 100% wrong, illegal, and the cop should be punished.

  • steve-o||

    "The Jerk" has just assumed the number one spot on my Netflix queue.

  • Coeus||

    Completely off topic, but this is great:

    I present to you- Libertarian Safe Sex (SFW)

    http://www.smbc-comics.com/ind.....2255#comic

  • Almanian||

    For the win!

  • prolefeed||

    The guy wasn't being a jerk anywhere in the video. He was asserting his rights, and the cops were trying to deny him his rights.

    He didn't videotape the bullhorn thing, since using one is arguably being a jerk regardless of the context.

  • ||

    even if true. irrelevant. the point isn't whether he was or wasn't a jerk. it's ... assume he was a jerk. so fucking what?

    that's his right.

    certainly, there are circumstances where using the bullhorn, at a minimum, could lead to a citation for a noise violation or some such. in THIS case, that would clearly be a ruse when the actual reason for the stop was due to the content of his speech.

  • ||

    the finger

  • ||

  • Almanian||

    A. Barton Hinkle Heimerschmidt
    His name is my name, too!
    Whenever we go out
    People always shout,
    "There goes A. Barton Hinkle Heimerschmidt!"
    LALALALALALALALA!

    FIFY

  • rst||

    "Pustilnik is not what anyone would call a sworn enemy of the First Amendment"

    That's one way to look at it. The other way is that he's just competent enough to nab the low hanging fruit...

  • ||

    Sounds similar to the Henry Louis Gates fiasco a few years back.

    http://www.forbes.com/2009/07/.....glate.html

  • ||

    except this is a blatantly wrong action on the part of the cops, and the HLG "fiasco" wasn't

  • Giveemshit||

    There's no law requiring people to be cringingly submissive to the cops, but is there a law requiring the police to be cringingly submissive when berated through a bull horn? Disorderly conduct was not met here, but he could perhaps have charged him with distracted driving. Obstruction of justice is a stretch - he did distract the cop from a traffic stop, but I wouldn't say he interfered with it - I mean, a 5 second turn of the head was all that was required, and it's not like the stopee ran away. We really expect our cops to take a lot of shit with aplomb - and a good cop should be able to of course. But we shouldn't give them shit either. Punks who give them shit need to be given shit by other citizens, and not by the cops.

  • Res Publica Americana||

    I would have given the cop a lecture on constitutional law and recorded his reaction.

  • ||

    the issue isn't whether we SHOULD give cops shit or not. here's the point

    lots of stuff that is constitutionally protected is still assholery. this guy was an asshole. he also has the constitutional right to be one

    heck, the constitution protects fucking nazis and racist scumbags and even people spouting foucault.

    saying something is constitutionally protected =/= saying something is "the good" or "acceptable" or "to be admired"

    i can say
    1) this guy was an asshole
    2) he engaged in protected speech

    those are not mutually exclusive

    police aren't there to enforce unconstitutional infringements on assholery

    first and foremost, the constitution is a limitation on state authoritah

  • Pope Jimbo||

    I hate Illinois Nazis*

    * Dunphy, I don't think you were out of line to quote from other movies in the Comedy Canon above.

  • ||

    well, i appreciate that. not that i hesitate to step out of line on occasion

  • Some Guy||

    If he was yelling on a bullhorn when driving, I could see a citation for that, but not disorderly conduct. And it couldn't have been all that bad if a cop who wasn't in his car at the time could have pulled him over for it (though the whole point may have been to get pulled over in the first place.)

  • ||

    that very well may have been his point. just like the point of "don't tase me bro" guy was to make theater.

    here's the difference. the don't tase me bro guy WAS justifiably detained and arguably justifiably tased.

    imo, this guy was not justifiably detained. the cop had the duty to be the bigger man and not use his authoritah because he felt personally slighted

  • Some Guy||

    Do you believe that my position differs from yours for some reason?

  • ||

    i'm agnostic on it. i have no knowledge one way or the other

  • ||

    More of us should have cameras in our cars, and we should have a big website like Youtube to post videos and audio of interactions with cops.

  • ||

    i agree. more cops should video/audiotape their encounters and vice-versa.

    this helps prevent against false complaints AND rogue cops

    win/win

  • ||

    lol, tell me thats not the crazies thign you ever heard.

    www.hide-your-ip.at.tc

  • Pope Jimbo||



    Now, none of us is a mind reader. But it seems fair to wonder whether Kelley would have written Cox up if Cox had bellowed something more flattering to the ego, such as: "Thanks for keeping our streets safe, Officer!"

    If the answer is no, then it looks as though Cox received a fine and a suspended jail sentence simply for expressing an opinion the government doesn't like. They do that sort of thing—in places like Cuba and North Korea. We're not supposed to do it in America.

    But suppose the answer is yes. Suppose Cox had been given a summons for distracting Officer Kelley with high-decibel flattery. Does yelling at a cop as you're driving by meet the standard for disorderly conduct?

    There really isn't any reason to speculate here is there? Just search court records to see how many people were cited for using a Mr. Microphone (really, why did it take this long to have a Mr. Microphone reference? For Shame!) to tell a cop Hey Good Looking, we'll be back later to pick you up

  • ||

    sorry guys, I think if you ban the right to knock some cunt out for talking shit, then you have to ban language too. Why should it be okay for someone to sit there and harass me verbally and for me not being legally allowed to kick his teeth in?

    Fuck all laws. Stop writing them.

  • juner||

    yep

  • juner||

    hmm

  • The Hamilton||

    Hey, Orificer Kelley...Bite me, you withering fop.

  • Vee||

    I agree with the person who mentioned we should put video cameras in our cars and post videos on a special site. Thanks to technology there are video cameras or all sorts available to the public.

  • Knee Jerk||

    But We the People are not allowed to video-tape The Man!

  • ||

    you are in my state. as it should be

  • nike dunk||

    is good

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