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Will Everyone Please Stop Freaking Out Over Ayn Rand?!?
monolith|11.10.09 @ 7:08AM|#
I quite liked the cartoons but surely the audience here would understand the irony of the Che t-shirt and little red book withought the subtle "mass murderer fashion accessories"
|11.17.09 @ 2:49AM|#
I don't think that the Che shirt is meant ironically in more than a few percent of the wearers. Most either like the picture and think it's cool because people a year ahead of them in school did the same or else they are pro-mass murder if it passes an ideological test.
Those that would be ironic would wear the Reagan version or the "Don't Be A DouChe!" shirt. A very ironic version would have a zombie Che.
Mao's Red Book is as ironic a choice to carry around as Mein Kampf.
Billy Beck|11.18.09 @ 8:26AM|#
"Most either like the picture and think it's cool because people a year ahead of them in school did the same ..."
It's turtles all the way down!
Fist of Etiquette|11.10.09 @ 7:23AM|#
This is longer than a Rand novel.
Also, that dude did not age well.
Revolver|11.10.09 @ 7:45AM|#
But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao,
You ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow...
Suki|11.10.09 @ 7:25AM|#
Awesome! Love that last panel. monolith, your observation is spot on for this audience. Notsomuch for others.
MNG|11.10.09 @ 7:40AM|#
Funny stuff. I like the cartoons, Bagge is always witty, and some of our regulars who struggle with reading and writing, like Suki, appreciate the pictures. Nobody left behind says I...
Warty|11.10.09 @ 7:50AM|#
It's not named Suki, it's John's realdoll. Say it right or you get another swirlie.
Art-P.O.G.|11.10.09 @ 7:48AM|#
To be fair to Bok and Payne, the format they work in is unforgiving and brutal.
|11.10.09 @ 10:01AM|#
Who's "freaking out"?
The hippie in the third panel, and the Che fanboi in the last panel. Didn't you read it?
-jcr
Bruce Majors|11.10.09 @ 8:22AM|#
You can nominate your favorite comic strip for an award here:
http://2009.weblogawards.org/n.....p#loggedin
Jose|11.10.09 @ 8:26AM|#
Rand never gets credit for her single greatest accomplishment... giving assholes an intellectual framework for being assholes.
|11.10.09 @ 9:46AM|#
Oh please. What philosopher of significance hasn't done that. More intellectual assholes build shrines to Marx or Kierkegaard than to Rand.
|11.10.09 @ 10:02AM|#
Well, I was going to say that Marx predates her by quite a lot of years, but upon reflection I can't describe Marxism as an intellectual framework.
-jcr
|11.10.09 @ 9:33AM|#
Bagge shoots and scores!
Quibble; Redundancy, and especially arguing against government interference, are more apt observations of Atlas than Fountainhead.
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Chris C|11.10.09 @ 10:01AM|#
Only makes me sad that he didn't write it sooner so it could be in his book.
Mad Max|11.10.09 @ 10:41AM|#
This is as good a a time as any to link to Whittaker Chambers’ famous takedown of Atlas Shrugged in the magazine National Review (back then, National Review was a conservative publication):
‘. . . the author deals wholly in the blackest blacks and the whitest whites. In this fiction everything, everybody, is either all good or all bad, without any of those intermediate shades which, in life, complicate reality and perplex the eye that seeks to probe it truly. . . .
‘So much radiant energy [from the good guys] might seem to serve a eugenic purpose. For, in this story as in Mark Twain's, "all the knights marry the princess" — though without benefit of clergy. Yet from the impromptu and surprisingly gymnastic matings of the heroine and three of the heroes, no children — it suddenly strikes you — ever result. The possibility is never entertained. And, indeed, the strenuously sterile world of Atlas Shrugged is scarcely a place for children. You speculate that, in life, children probably irk the author and may make her uneasy. . . .
‘Just as her operatic businessmen are, in fact, Nietzschean supermen, so her ulcerous leftists are Nietzsche's "last men" . . .
‘. . . The Message [of the novel] is the thing. It is, in sum, a forthright philosophic materialism. . . .
‘. . . Miss Rand, as the enemy of any socializing force, calls in a Big Brother of her own contriving to do battle with the other [socialism]. In the name of free enterprise, therefore, she plumps for a technocratic elite (I find no more inclusive word than technocratic to bracket the industrial-financial-engineering caste she seems to have in mind). . . . And in reality, too, by contrast with fiction, this can only head into a dictatorship, however benign, living and acting beyond good and evil, a law unto itself (as Miss Rand believes it should be), and feeling any restraint on itself as, in practice, criminal, and, in morals, vicious (as Miss Rand clearly feels it to be). . . .
'Out of a lifetime of reading, I can recall no other book in which a tone of overriding arrogance was so implacably sustained. Its shrillness is without reprieve. Its dogmatism is without appeal. . . . From almost any page of Atlas Shrugged, a voice can be heard, from painful necessity, commanding: "To a gas chamber — go!"’
|11.10.09 @ 10:59AM|#
You can tell Whittaker Chambers hadn't been fucked in 20 years when he wrote this review.
|11.10.09 @ 11:56AM|#
Having read Atlas Shrugged (no, am not a O'ist), I have never understood where the hell his guy got this "To the gas chamber- go" idea.
I found it to be a pro life, pro liberty work. Unlike garbage from Marx, Mao, etc, which HAS led to dictatorships...
|11.11.09 @ 10:45AM|#
People who find Rand pro life and pro liberty are bringing their preconceptions to her work, not reading what she actually wrote. Chambers was exactly right. Rand was at heart a dogmatic Russian married to her own intellectual framework, reality be damned, just a mirror image of Lenin and too many other dogmatic Russian thinkers. To me she comes across as a character from a Dostoyevsky novel come to life. There is a much better Russian emigre who wrote about freedom and the individual in more subtle terms - Nabokov.
IceTrey|11.10.09 @ 1:58PM|#
"To a gas chamber — go!".
Why? To delouse clothing? Because that's what the gas chambers were used for.
matt|11.10.09 @ 10:43AM|#
But to her eternal credit, she never once advocated the use of physical force to impose her ideas on anyone.
Within the boundaries of a single country, this might be true. Otherwise? Not so much.
Just because modern Randians have the decency to be embarrassed of her foreign policy views doesn't mean that they didn't exist.
DJF|11.10.09 @ 10:52AM|#
Ayn Rand might never have advocated physical force but this has not stopped her supporters such as the Ayn Rand Institute from advocating physical force. They for example were in favor of invading Iraq.
matt|11.10.09 @ 11:03AM|#
That's a continuity, not an aberration in Randian thought.
Rand herself would have almost certainly advocated for the invasion of Iraq if she had been alive during the discussion.
DJF|11.10.09 @ 11:19AM|#
For what reason would she advocate an invasion of a country which was not a danger to herself?
Number 6|11.16.09 @ 3:52PM|#
Rand was a vocal opponent of Vietnam and the draft. What on earth makes you think she'd favor the Iraq invasion?
Devin Greaney|11.10.09 @ 10:53AM|#
Loved the comment!! Yes, Ayn was not God-- far from it-- but she gave credit to the innovators and risk takers where politicians have referred to them as winning "life's lottery."
And the last panel was great. Anarchists and dictaros have one thing right -- the state IS force, the only question is how they use the force- to seize life, liberty property and ideas or to protect life, liberty, property and ideas? Does an armed agent of the state come after you because you killed someone (deprived an individual of his rights) or does the armed agent of the state come after you because you expose dangerous thoughts or pray to the wrong God?
Sorry if I went on a tangent!!
Devin Greaney
Memphis TN
|11.10.09 @ 11:42AM|#
Doesn't anybody see a parallel between Rand's oligarchy of the preternaturally gifted and Latin America's oligarchies? We can say Marxists love their violence, but so do Rand's titans of banana republic industry.
|11.10.09 @ 11:43AM|#
I should add that I like Rand's work. But just like the Bible, the more literal you take it, the less credible you are.
Rimfax|11.10.09 @ 1:28PM|#
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
I missed the part where Rand's heroes grabbed the reigns of political power.
|11.10.09 @ 1:53PM|#
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means....I missed the part where Rand's heroes grabbed the reigns of political power."
If you're referring to the word "oligarch", it isn't inconceivable that it DOES mean what I think it means.
Marc|11.10.09 @ 2:03PM|#
Doesn't anybody see a parallel between Rand's oligarchy of the preternaturally gifted and Latin America's oligarchies?
I, for one, have no idea what you're talking about.
|11.10.09 @ 11:59AM|#
Loved this comic. In several ways it paralleled my own
experiences with Rand (tho I thankfully never had to deal with
people like those in panels 3 and 4).
Read her in college. Found a lot to like, and some not to. Had
issues with her views on aesthetics (oh, I have to like X and
dislike Y? pass). She seemed to get more strident in her later
works, which eventually turned me off.
Rodney Schroeter|11.10.09 @ 3:18PM|#
Hey, Peter, I wish I could find all that correspondence between you & me from 20-some years ago. I truly learned a lot from our disagreements (and, I suppose, from whatever we DID agree on!). Now, I'm more convinced than ever that Ayn Rand has made a great contribution to the history of ideas. Will people realize it, in time?
|11.10.09 @ 3:18PM|#
I remember really riling up the Campus Objectivists at UF by showing The Fountainhead at our College Libertarians meeting one time. Their president had already declared war on us, so I figured, I won't even bother with trying to coordinate separate events with them. He was really pissed off when 3/4 of their club showed up at our showing of The Fountainhead instead of sitting around a classroom listening to tapes of Leonard Peikoff. We also showed We the Living on another occasion.
Obey the Fist|11.10.09 @ 3:53PM|#
So, even when you guys are trying to be reasonable on this subject, you can't argue your point without turning your opposition into a non-existent caricature of who you think is criticizing you?
Peter Bagge|11.10.09 @ 4:45PM|#
The younger, productive Rand would have been 100% opposed to the Iraq war. She was opposed to WW2! But the latter misanthropic and non- productive Rand might have -- assuming she would have perceived Iraq to be as grave a threat to us as the Soviet Union was, which I doubt. She may have gone a bit crazy towards the end there, but she never went stupid.
Thanks for the kind words, everyone!
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Han Solo|11.11.09 @ 10:47AM|#
People who discourage others from reading Rand, just dont want them to KNOW the truth.
I am not saying Rand is the be all/end all, but I found Atlas an OK story. I mean I have read far worse science fiction after all.
The value is that after all the fluff, Rand puts some thoughts in the backs of people heads.
Not to mention that I know recognize SOO many things that just are creepy in the way they happen TODAY in real life, that are nearly identical to the way things played out in Atlas.
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Matthew E|11.11.09 @ 9:43PM|#
Rand was opposed to the Vietnam war, after all; I don't see why she would have supported the Iraq war.
I mind me of a Rand quote from some book about her I read; I'll try to reproduce it from memory. In the late 1970s someone asked her what she thought about the possibility of Ronald Reagan becoming president, and she said, "One of the good things about getting old is that I probably won't live long enough to see anything so monstrous."
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…hopfeed_fill_slots='true'; hopfeed_link_target='_blank'; hopfeed_path='http://gonehere.hopfeed.com'; Cartoonist Peter Bagge did a funny one-pager about Ayn Rand for the December issue of Reason. Peter Bagge on Ayn Rand Previously: Richard Metzger on Ayn Rand - Boing Boing Young Conservative rappers explain Jesus, Ayn Rand, and ANWR … Ayn Rand institute "shocked" by Harvard Medical School prayer…
olekinderhook|11.16.09 @ 5:17PM|#
The only lesson I draw from this is: If you want to be taken seriously, don't be a libertarian.
Sanford|11.16.09 @ 6:19PM|#
Hmmmm, she may not have advocated for the use of physical force to impose her ideas, but her rabid neo-liberalism implies the creation of inequalities which can only be maintained through the use of force.
|11.17.09 @ 2:26PM|#
this.
I shudder to think of the level of disenfranchisement, tyranny, and death that would emerge from an Randian based world.
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…Meta Log in Valid XHTML Valid CSS XFN wordpress Advertising This site is partially ad-supported. A Comic About Ayn Rand Posted by V-Man | Politics, Society | Monday 16 November 2009 10:35 pm Very funny, and I happen to agree with it. I recently re-read Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead, and boy do I wish an editor had managed to get a word in. You can probably lose half of each book without…
|11.17.09 @ 8:13AM|#
Here is an interesting discussion about Ayn Rand who seems really
creepy:
http://www.slate.com/id/2233966/
|11.17.09 @ 8:25AM|#
In the 30 years or so I've been hanging around college campuses, I can't say I've ever encountered anyone who "freaks out" over the mention of Rand's name. Maybe they exist, but I smell a straw man here.
I've read Rand, Marx, L Ron Hubble, the Hari Krisna tracts,
Chomsky, Skinner et al. to see what the fuss is about. I'd
recommend others do the same (hint: you don't have to slog
through the whole thing to get the gist)
Rand's writing is wooden and didactic; her ideas are childish and not to be taken seriously by *adults*, but you can say the same for lots of other popular writing. Making this simple observation is not "freaking out".
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John|11.17.09 @ 6:35PM|#
Um, Che Guevara not only a "mass murderer", but on the order of Mao? Somebody needs to read something again.
Heywood Jablowme|11.17.09 @ 9:02PM|#
It seems to me that the author of the comic is the only one 'freaking out.' Read Ayn Rand for what it is and move on. Maybe you're hanging around too many community colleges.
|11.18.09 @ 11:39AM|#
One of these days I'll lock myself in the bathroom for a week & read the book on Objectivist philosophy. One should not be surprised at freaking out at her stuff. If anyone remembers Nietzsche (from whom she borrowed much), he tends to provoke freaked out responses too.
Contrary to popular hysteria, he was not a moral relativist; he was a perspectivist. He probably would have liked objectivism as a perspective, but skewered it, when it seems too much like Rationalism and would have attacked its a prioris, such as there must be no compulsion. (There should be no compulsion; there must be no compulsion for Objectivism to work, but compulsion exists.) As far as I know, objectivism leaves "existence exists", "man is an end in himself" and even "A is A" unsupported. These seem almost like tautologies, but Nietzsche would have shredded them for sloppy thinking and called her a priest (about the worst thing he would call anyone) for pushing dogma.
I'm not sure of the distinction between Objectivism and Rationalism; and I think she borrows one hell of a lot from Existentialism (isn't "volitional consciousness" another way of talking about bad faith?). All these things tend to provoke freaking out by the "can't we just all get along" crowd. Nietzsche would approve of conscious freaking out, but disgusted by unconscious freaking out, as, I suppose, would Rand. They were both polemicists (Nietzsche made it his overall style; Rand less so), but polemics is designed to freak out. So Nietzsche would probably suggest another line: "Go ahead & freak out! I want you to! Then attack your reasons for freaking out! And get back to me when you can attack my reasons!
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John Scott Tynes|11.18.09 @ 3:49PM|#
"She never once advocated the use of physical force" -- wait, what? Am I the only one who remembers the scene in Atlas Shrugged where our heroine confronts a security guard and, when he fails to self-actualize and wake up from his slavedom to the second-handers, she shoots him dead? Because it's pretty hard to read that scene as anything other than an endorsement of death sentences for those unable to comprehend the threats Rand depicts.
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