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What Happens If A Religion Precludes A Person From Supporting Zionism?
The anti-semitism maelstrom on the right continues to swirl faster by the day. And, in what has become a familiar posture, I keep getting stuck in the eye of the storm. I have come to regret my participation in the National Conservatism Conference and had to resign from the Heritage Foundation. Both of those entities have not taken the needed steps to distance themselves from the growing tides of antisemitism on the right. Now, another one of my affiliations has been swept up.
On Monday, February 8, the White House Religious Liberty Commission held a public meeting in Washington, D.C. The theme of this session was anti-semitism. I am on the legal advisory board of the Commission. Though I was not able to attend, I played a small role in the planning process. When this commission was formed last year, I could not have fathomed how the ecosystem on the right would radically change. I now think the Carlson-Roberts exchange will come to be seen as the moment the dam broke.
The meeting garnered attention because Carrie Prejean Boller, a commissioner, asserted that her Catholic faith is incompatible with Zionism. She said, "Catholics do not embrace Zionism, just so you know." You can see the fireworks around the 1:30:00 mark at C-SPAN. I don't profess any expertise on this point. Fellow commissioner Ryan Anderson, who is a leading Catholic intellectual, argued that Boller's position is wrong as a matter of doctrine. He read from Second Vatican Council's Nostra aetate and Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI. I found this article by EWTN to be extremely insightful:
Catholic teaching does not explicitly oppose Zionism, the movement supporting Jewish self‑determination in a homeland in Israel. Israel is seen as God's chosen people through whom God revealed himself and prepared the way for the coming of Jesus Christ. The Catholic Church universally condemns antisemitism. The Church recognizes Israel's fundamental right to exist.
But let's not fight the hypothetical. Let's assume there is a religion that rejects the modern conception of Zionism. In other words, the person firmly believes it is a mortal sin for the modern Jewish state to exist in Israel. They believe the world will suffer if Israel is allowed to exist. Think of a group like the Westboro Baptists. Moreover, this religion teaches that only one people--the Jewish people--are unable to have a homeland in the biblical land of Israel. Other religions can have their own states--even in the Holy Land--just not the Jews. The prophecy is silent about Muslim, Christian, or Hindu states. Further, let's assume that this belief is sincerely held. (I am skeptical that all of these assumptions can ever be true, but go with it for now.) To make things simple, we will call this faith the Church of Anti-Zionism.
How should a proponent of religious liberty approach this issue? And let's use a familiar hypothetical. A baker in Colorado is a devout member of the Church of Anti-Zionism. A Jewish customer walks into his shop, and asks for a cake to celebrate Yom Ha'atzmaut, Israeli Independence Day. The cake will include an outline of the map of Israel with the present-day boundaries, an Israeli flag, and figures of rabbis praying at the Western Wall. The baker refuses to bake the cake. He will make other Jewish-related cakes. For example, he will make a Bar Mitzvah cake or a cake for a Jewish wedding. Just nothing about the modern state of Israel. Indeed, the baker would make a cake depicting Ancient Israel before the crucifixion, but no representation of a Jewish state after. The customer brings suit under the Colorado public accommodations law. The baker seeks an exemption from the public accommodations law on Free Exercise grounds. (To simplify the hypothetical, the baker does not bring Free Speech claims, and as we all know, Colorado lacks a RFRA.)
What happens? Here, the baker's religion precludes any support of the modern Jewish state in Israel. Does a sincerely held belief in the Church of Anti-Zionism warrant an exemption? Can this case be materially distinguished from the claim brought by Jack Phillips of the Masterpiece Cakeshop? (Forget for a moment how the Court punted on the issue based on findings of animus.)
Throughout this hypothetical, I have repeatedly assumed that this belief is sincerely held. Asserting sincerity in the context of anti-semitism will be very difficult. Why? There is always a double-standard. Anti-Zionists assert that one, and only one people are not entitled to a religious homeland: the Jews. Catholics can have a religious country and Muslims can have a religious country and Hindus can have a religious country, but not the Jews. But under my hypothetical, the opposition to Zionism is premised on a specific religious teaching concerning the Jewish people, and their biblical claim to the holy land. The Church of Anti-Zionism has no teachings at all concerning these other faiths. Here, the double standard argument would not work.
Still, I think such a religious claim will be so gerrymandered to address a particular problem that it is unlikely to ever pass the sincerity prong. I see this faith as akin to the church of marijuana or the church of abortion, or some such gospel of convenience. Jack Philips's beliefs on marriage date from immemorial. The Church of Anti-Zionism would have a more recent vintage, and seems conjured to address a political point.
It should be simple enough for Catholics to explain why Boller (who apparently became a Catholic less than a year ago) is wrong on the theology. I understand it is also problematic for one person--especially someone with no formal training--to assert what the teachings of the Catholic Church are.
There is great irony that the rejection of a single religion's right to have a homeland would itself be a religious belief. Boller's testimony was just a test run. My cynical take is that the views advanced by Boller and others are not religious at all. But that analysis merely delays an inevitable reckoning. I think people on the woke right will increasingly dress up anti-semitism in the garb of religious liberty, in the same way that people on the woke left dress up anti-semitism in the garb of political ideology. There is always a reason to blame the Jews.
For now, religious leaders who are experts in doctrine need to speak up, and do so loudly, to prevent their faiths from being hijacked down a road we have sadly traveled far too many times.
Update: Boller was removed from the Commission. Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick posted on X:
Carrie Prejean Boller has been removed from President Trump's Religious Liberty Commission. No member of the Commission has the right to hijack a hearing for their own personal and political agenda on any issue. This is clearly, without question, what happened Monday in our hearing on antisemitism in America. This was my decision.
The Commission has done outstanding work through five hearings. Two more are scheduled. The testimony has been both illuminating and heartbreaking. Under the Biden Administration, Americans of all faiths had their religious liberty not only stolen from them but were often punished for standing up for their faith, in education, the military, the private sector, and even the ministry.
This spring, the Commission will deliver one of the most important reports in American history directly to the President.
The President respects all faiths. He believes that all Americans have a right to receive the great inheritance given to them by our founding fathers in the First Amendment.
I am grateful to President Trump for having the vision and boldness to create this Commission. Fighting for the Word of God and religious freedom is what this nation was founded upon. Leading this fight will be one of his greatest legacies.
Dan Patrick
Lt. Governor of Texas
Chair of the President Trump's Religious Liberty Commission
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Apparently anti-semitism, according to most of these Jews, includes any opposition to Jewish supremacy and genocidal goy baby-killing.
You better smile when you say that, "Pilgrim"
Oh, BTW, if you haven't figured it out after 5,786 years, we don't give a fuck what you Goyim think. You want to get me in an Oven, you're going to have to buy me dinner first.
Blackman has sunk to a new low. The vast majority of non-Jews do not believe in Zionism. There is a faction that believes in Christian Zionism, but that is widely regarded by most Catholics and Protestants as a heresy.
Now Blackman calls on Christian leaders to denounce those who do not embrace Zionism. Boller is correct that Catholics don’t embrace Zionism. His attempts to force his religious views on other religions is extremely offensive. Not only that, he complains that it is anti-semitic to not go along with his bullying.
All these complaints about anti-semitism have gotten tiresome. All I get out of this is that Blackman hates Christians, and that Jews are playing a propaganda game to subvert Christianity. There is no merit to any of his gripes.
He's not asserting that most people believe in Zionism. He's asserting that most people don't, religiously, believe in anti-Zionism. Defined as Israel being a Jewish state being uniquely prohibited.
"anti-Zionism. Defined as Israel being a Jewish state being uniquely prohibited."
Which is an odd discussion to be having in this context. Blackman quotes the woman as saying, "Catholics do not embrace Zionism, just so you know." which does not imply that she believes that Catholicism considers a Jewish state to be uniquely prohibited. At least not in English.
Boller did not say that Israel was uniquely prohibited.
Except when you start poking at that self-determining piece you often get a lot more than simple existence, non-interference internally and self-defense.
Personally, I hate the collectivist framing of conservatives have done xyz when he's bitching about one person. I'm sure Josh wouldn't like me lumping him in with Epstein and the darker implications there just because they share one characteristic.
Roger "S"???
"Shit Stain"? "Shit Kicker"? "Shit Hole"? "Shit Faced"? "Shit Creek"?
I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt and guess it was "Sterling", a "Mad Men" reference but you're too stupid to get that one.
I can read you like I'd read the Koran, on the toilet because I use it as toilet paper, you ain't fooling any one, Jamal, or Moe-hammad (Shit be upon him) or whatever the fuck that Camel Toed Whore of a Mother (Actual Arabic Epithet) named you.
Peace!
Frank
"Boller is correct that Catholics don’t embrace Zionism."
Boller claims that Roman Catholicism (RC) is doctrinally inconsistent with Zionism.
However, Boller seems to forget that is a hierarchical structure in which lines of authority are expressly drawn. Boller has no authority whatsoever to claim that RC is incompatible with Zionism. She may only claim that her personal beliefs are incompatible with Zionism.
As "anti-Zionism" is now the mask under which anti-semitism conveniently hides, Boller has declared herself to have a conflict of interest in serving on the committee. Ethically she should resign her post.
No, being a Catholic is not a conflict of interest. Her exact words were "Catholics do not embrace Zionism", and that is correct.
"Catholics do not embrace Zionism", and that is correct.
No, it's not. Obviously, some do and some do not. It does not appear to me, a non-Catholic, that Catholicism either requires or forbids "embracing" Zionism, whatever the definition of "Zionism" happens to be.
If you wish to learn about the subject, you could read this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholicism_and_Zionism
I should read it?
I just did and there I find:
"Today, the Vatican recognizes both Israel and the State of Palestine, and advocates for a two-state solution.[8] Importantly, Catholic doctrine does not formally dictate its adherents' individual political attitudes towards Israel's existence.[2] Therefore, a diversity of worldwide Catholic opinion on the subject exists."
Can you read that, Cunt?
So what Boller said was correct.
No, you sick demented stooge. Obviously, some Catholics do "embrace Zionism."
Are you passing your ESL lessons?
Some Catholics have all sorts of political views. Boller was not making a statement about all Catholics.
"Boller was not making a statement about all Catholics."
Reading comprehension is obviously not your strong suit.
I mean, "Believe in Zionism" doesn't really make sense as a phrase. One can "believe in" Santa Claus or that Muhammad was Allah's prophet or that the sea parted so that the Jews could escape from Pharoah's troops. One can't really "believe in" Zionism or not; it indisputably exists. But if one means that the vast majority of non-Jews don't agree with Zionism, well, if we're talking worldwide, almost certainly not. If we're talking about in the U.S., they probably do.
Zionism does not mean, "Support Netanyahu." It doesn't mean "Support everything the Israeli government does." All it means is that one supports the existence of Israel (as a home for Jews).
How about someone who supports the existence of Israel but doesn't really care about the "home for Jews" part?
That's kind of like saying, "I think Ukraine should continue to exist — I don't think Russia should annex it — but I don't care whether the people who currently live there continue to be allowed to live there."
No it's not. It's saying that one supports the continued existence of Israel as one might Ukraine without caring about the ethnic or religious composition of the population.
Be more careful with your terminology, Chip. Most Zionists characterize their belief as supporting the existence of Israel as a Jewish state, not merely a “home for Jews,” whatever you intended that to mean. They are talking about a state that is culturally and legally “Jewish,” with whatever constitutional safeguards or second-class citizenship categories or apartheid regimes or ethnic cleansing are necessary to bring about that result and maintain it into perpetuity.
I blame the French.
One of the benefits of laïcité is exactly that you don't end up in this kind of situation.
Isn't a Laicite' (I've got an Amurican Computer, it don't have that Frog Chicken Scratch on the Keyboard) what women wore in the 1800's after difficult childbirth to keep their Uteruses from popping out?
It is wrong to be French.
Ms. Boller's understanding of Catholic doctrine, if sincerely held, need not agree with that of other Catholics in order to receive legal protection under the Free Exercise clause, the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act, and under state RFRA counterparts.
We should not want government weighing in on the merits of lack of merit of religious dogma. Take for instance, the doctrine of transubstantiation. How would a litigant develop an evidentiary record as to whether the substance of crackers and wine does or does not transmute into flesh and blood when a eucharistic prayer is uttered? How would an appellate court determine whether the trial court's factual findings on that point are clearly erroneous?
It's certainly weird/ironic for the White House Religious Liberty Commission to have big discussions about the correct interpretation of Nostra aetate etc. But that doesn't mean that certain beliefs, religious or otherwise, shouldn't be disqualifying for letting someone sit on such a committee in the first place.
Take for instance, the doctrine of transubstantiation. How would a litigant develop an evidentiary record as to whether the substance of crackers and wine does or does not transmute into flesh and blood when a eucharistic prayer is uttered?
There's what a thing appears to be, and what it actually is. 99.99999999999999% of the time, these are the same, but ancient philosophers assure us the secular world is just wool pulled over your eyes to obscure the spiritual world, or the world of perfects, or something.
By careful study of the Michelson–Morley experiment to detect the existence of the luminiferous ether, one might glean insights on the issue. Wouldn't that be a fun prize for phsyics?
ng, the issue is not free exercise, but a claim that is on its face inconsistent with the public structure of her professed religion. She is free to believe whatever she wishes, but that does not mean that she is behaving ethically by remaining on a commission when she has an express bias against a fair evaluation of the questions before that body.
No, Boller is consistent with Catholic doctrine. Blackman cites a source that the Catholic Church is against anti-semitism, but Boller is against anti-semitism also, at least the way the Church defines it.
You are the one with the anti-Catholic bias. It is completely legitimate for her to question whether Catholic doctrine should be considered anti-semitic.
It's almost as if letting people use their religion as a get-out-of-jail-free card is a bad idea...
The only reason it's necessary is because we're throwing too many people in jail in the first place. In a free society you'd be permitted to do for shits and giggles anything it would ever be sensible to permit out of religious motives, so "religious liberty" wouldn't even exist as a separate category.
Look at the Big Brain on Brett!!!!!! You're a Smart Mother Fucker.
But not on this one, problem is there's not nearly enough Peoples IN Jail. When they catch Nancy Guthries Abductors I guarantee you they'll have a "Rap Sheet" (is that "Racist"?? a "Rap" Sheet??) longer than a ZZ top Beard. Just for "Shits and Giggles" (I'd put anyone actually using that phrase in Prison) Google how many Sex Offenders live within a mile of your house (Wait, are you the "Conspirator" who lives in Ted Kazinski's old Cabin??) There's like 20 where I live and I live in a wealthy Korean enclave. So Sex Offenders walk my streets, while there's people in actual Rape-me-in-the-Ass Prisons for selling Marriage-a-Juan-a or get this, the Bongs to smoke it in (Tommy Chong)
Frank
"Google how many Sex Offenders live within a mile of your house"
Why would I do that? I'm not looking for a date -- leave that to you.
By "jail' you mean "Auschwitz."
Exactly, Martin.
Can't find it anywhere, anyone know what post Mayor Man-Damn-he appointed Zubar Al-Bakoush to?
Frank
"Anti-Zionists assert that one, and only one people are not entitled to a religious homeland"
I suppose it's possible that SOME anti-Zionists assert that one, and only one, people are not entitled to a religious homeland.
But many anti-Zionists assert that no group is entitled to a "homeland" based on religion or -- like Israel -- ethnic tribal affiliation.
I'm opposed to Zionism for the same reasons I'm opposed to e.g. American neo-Nazism and its similar demands for a "white homeland" in the US Pacific northwest. Zionism is to Judaism and Jews as Aryan Nations is to Christianity and whites.
So which variety of F-150 do you drive?
And did you know "Knapp" in German means "Short"
(or "Scarce") you know, like your Penis and Brains.
Oh yeah, that Smallpox Scar on your arm? That's our way of keeping track of you, and if you don't have one? Means either you were born after 1972, OR never served in the Military, thank a Jew for eradicating Small Pox (except for in China, where it's preserved for "Research" purposes, not like the Chinks would ever attack the world with a deadly Virus)
Frank
1) I don't own a truck. I ride motorcycles.
2) "Knapp" is a German and English last name referring to people who lived on hills.
3) I don't have a smallpox scar -- I received the vaccine twice as a child and it didn't "take" either time.
4) I was born before 1972 and spent 11 years in the Marine Corps (three of them on six-month extensions after my first eight-year contract ran out, during the late Bush / early Clinton period when prospective cuts kept prior service Marines from getting full contracts).
5) I thank people, not ethnic groups, for the good things they do, even if my own ancestry has some affiliation with the group involved (DNA testing says I've got Ashkenazi ancestry).
Really. When's the last time you complained about Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, or the Navajo Nation? Or is it only deep in your heart that you oppose religious homelands and out loud you just speak against Israel?
What Drew said.
I complain about all states, all the time. Of the three, I probably complain the most about Saudi Arabia, if for no other reason than that I once lived there and wouldn't mind doing so again if it wasn't for the "religious homeland" aspect (I love the Arabian desert, but I'm not a Muslim).
Are you consistent anout this? Do you think, for example that Indian reservations are racist and they all should be abolished as such? Could you give me an example of a time you have actually asvocated this?
Indian reservations are the far closer and relevant analogy here. Like Arabs in the Levant, white people came to North Amerca as conquering settler colonists and were never native to the land, whereas Native Americans, like Jews, are native to the lands they claim a connection with.
Once again, do you believe Indian reservations should be abolished as racist? Do you oppose Native American claims to having a spiritual connection to particular “sacred sites”? Do you think the miners and developers should win the conflicts that come up? Because if you are really and truly consistent in thinking that having a spiritual connection to a piece of land one regards as ones homeland is racist, then the miners, who are in it for the money rather than having racist motives like the Native Americans, ought to win these land conflicts. And you ought to say so.
Even the term “Native American” is a racist term if you take your position that claiming to have a homeland is racist with any seriousness. Nativity implies a superiority of rights. If indigenous rights are racist, a claim that there is anything special about being indigenous is racist.
"Indian reservations are the far closer and relevant analogy here."
No, Indian reservations are about the continuing historical denial of laws granted by the US government to Indian tribes.
Yes, I support the abolition of Indian reservations. I don't support forcible political segregation on the basis of ethnicity.
"if you are really and truly consistent in thinking that having a spiritual connection to a piece of land one regards as ones homeland is racist"
If you think that that's what I think, that thing you're doing that you think is thinking isn't.
The Native American movement advocated for recognizing Indians as nations, strengthening their autonomy and sovereign rights, and making reservation borders more consistent with traditional homelands.
You are characterizing reservations as things imposed on Native Americans from outside. How do you account for their internal advocates? How do you account, for example, for descendants of Indian nations exiled to Oklahoma on the Trail of Tears under the Indian Removal Act of 1830, seeking to return and establish reservations in part of their traditional homelands? The Cherokee, the most successful of these groups, managed to actually do this, with an Eastern Band Cherokee reservation in North Carolina. Like the Jews, a small group of Cherokee managed to avoid the exile and remain in North Carolina and served as a nucleus for people seeking to return.
I focus on this because it seems to me the development most directly analogous to Zionism in American history. Here you are actually arguing that Native Americans who sought in the 20th Century to return to their native territories and establish self-government there were acting as agents of the people who forcibly removed them. You say that reservations are a white people’s thing, and seem to think that that ia so regardless of what the Native folks themselves think.
This strikes me as a close analogy to the position the stronger anti-Zionists argue about Jews and the land of Israel, that Jews are somehow agents of the very white settler-colonialists who exiled them from Judea in the first place, before the Arab settler-colonialists came in and conquered the place half a millennium or so later. If it’s a stretch to characterize Native Americans seeking to return as agents of the people who removed them, if anything it’s an even bigger stretch to characterize Jews as agents of the civilization that perpetuated the Holocaust!
Modern Jews are not “native” to Israel. The Palestinian Arabs that were living there before the twentieth century have a greater claim to that status.
Jews are welcome to claim a spiritual and ethnic heritage to that strip of land, but they are no more “native” to Israel than I (born in the US with immigrant great-grandparents) am “native” to America.
The closest thing to religious anti-Zionism as Josh defines it would be Islam, of course.
Islam doesn't deny the legitimacy only of Jews having a state, of course. Instead it asserts that only an Islamic state can be legitimate, so states centered around ANY religion aside from Islam are illegitimate.
But Islam does especially have it in for Jews in a way they don't for other non-Islam religions. Everybody else has "we'll get around to you eventually" status. Jews are job 1.
Like I said, Brett's a smart (Hush Yo' Mouth!)........
Why is any of this surprising? It’s about as suprising that other religions don’t believe in Zionism as it is that Jews don’t believe in Jesus.
Under supercessionism, Jesus replaced the Old Testament, abolished Judiasm, and made religion universal. So it’s pretty obvious that there’s no religious basis for any heretical sect having any particular religious connection with any particular piece of land.
Why does any of this suprise Professor Blackman? Has he not taken Religion 101?
Saying that to avoid being anti-semetic, you have to BELIEVE in (or at least “support”) Zionism is a bit like saying that to avoid being anti-Christian, you have to BELIEVE in (or at least “support”) Jesus.
"other religions don’t believe in Zionism"
Your premise is in error.
Where in the Christian Bible is anti-Zionism spoken of? where is it in the canons of Roman Catholicism?
For most Christians, Zionism is a political concept that not a religious doctrine.
The Catholic Church has refused to endorse Zionism, over many years.
I find it strange that Josh would think that anti-Zionism would not be a sincerely-held belief. It's easy enough to explain how someone can sincerely believe it - someone believes that we're guilty of deicide and as a punishment, we lose our homeland forever.
Quote from a Polish woman in Lanzmann's Shoah. "It's a pity what happened to the Jews, but they did kill Christ". I'm sure that was a sincerely-held belief. If you can tolerate genocide as a punishment, you can certainly be sincere in a religious belief in anti-Zionism.
I note that that Carrie Prejean could easily win Miss Nuremberg Rally 1935
And I find it strange that you do not see that "anti-Zionism" is a convenient excuse for Jew hatred, just like anti-racism is a convenient excuse for express racism.
Of course I see it and IMO anti-Zionism is inherently anti-Semitic. But it was not necessary to say so in my post.
And anti-Semitism can be a sincerely-held religious belief - I am sure Jerry Falwell's was.
Most of the world is anti-Zionist, for several reasons. No, it is not necessarily Jew hatred. Sometimes it is disapproval of the Gaza War, or other Israel policies.
Sometimes it is disapproval of the Gaza War, or other Israel policies.
That is merely disagreement with the current Israeli government - a common enough position amongst Israeli (and non-Israeli) Jews.
No-one says, I'm opposed to the very existence of China because of how they treat the Uyghurs.
I had to stop reading at this, in the second sentence: "I keep getting stuck in the eye of the storm." The constant self-regard of Josh's posts is grating, and it's why at this point I regularly just skim them.
"I could not have fathomed how the ecosystem on the right would radically change."
Well that involves an incredible lack of foresight on your part. I and other liberals and leftists fathomed this like ten years ago.
While Blackman is telling other religious leaders what to say -- Jewish rabbis should admit that Jews killed Jesus and urge their followers to convert to Christianity. That is the appropriate response.
Minor details:
Pontius Pilate (died after 36 AD) was a Roman prefect (governor) of Judaea (26–36 AD) under the emperor Tiberius who presided at the final trial of Jesus and gave the order for his crucifixion.
Protected by Sejanus, Pilate incurred the enmity of Jews in Roman-occupied Palestine by insulting their religious sensibilities, as when he hung worship images of the emperor throughout Jerusalem and had coins bearing Roman religious symbols minted.
Doesn't sound very Jewish.
I think a fundamental problem here is that Jews simply can’t ask other religions to abandon inconvenient beliefs, any more than other religions can ask Jews to abandon beliefs they find inconvenient.
Christians don’t have to abandon their general belief in the universality of Christianity and the falseness of other religions. Nor do they have to abondon specific beliefs like their interpretation of passages in the New Testament about how Jesus was killed.
Similarly, Muslims don’t have to abandon their belief in the universality of the Caliphate and the fundamental illegitimacy of states focused on noj-Muslim religions. Nor do they have to abandon their belief that they are the true heirs of Abraham and have dibs on sites like the Cave of the Patriarchs and Al-Aqsa.
The point of religious tolerance is not to get everybody to change their religions to make them compatible. It’s to agree to accept suspension of things like a religious duty to execute heretics. The duty, if there is one, remains.
If someone acknowledges that Israel is an independent state with all the legitimate authority of any other independent state, and rejects any double standard which denounces Israel but not other countries for similar behavior, does that automatically make them a Zionist?
Or does it just make them sensible?
No, that is not Zionism. Zionism is a belief that Israel ought to be a Jewish state.
The question of whether Jews should return to their traditional homeland and set up a nation is separate from both to what extent the nation’s laws should be based on Jewish tenets, and whether non-Jewish citizens should be treated differently from Jewish citizens.
Arab citizens of Israel don’t get first dibs on punlic funding, but they do have equal legal rights. Moreover, although much has said about Jewish religous courts getting to handle marriages, divorces and such among Jews, the very same laws give Islamic Sharia courts the same authority to handle marriages, divorces, and such among Muslims. These laws were inherited from Ottoman Turkey and a number of other formerly Ottoman countries also have them.
There’s nothing in Zionism that says that members of other religions have to get mistreated.
After all, England is a specifically Anglican state. It’s a theocracy. Its head of state is also head of its official established church. But other relligions mostly manage to do OK.
"Let's assume there is a religion that rejects the modern conception of Zionism. In other words, the person firmly believes it is a mortal sin for the modern Jewish state to exist in Israel. They believe the world will suffer if Israel is allowed to exist."
If rejecting those views makes you a Zionist, anyone who simply recognizes Israel's right to exist is a Zionist.
The "anti-Zionists" would love that framing - either you're a Zionist or you want Israel destroyed.
The hypothetical seems simple to me. The baker does not have to make a cake of modern Israel even though he is willing to make a cake that all right-thinking people consider indistinguishable. If the baker disavows a free speech claim to make a point about religion, his case is weaker. Let's say, he still wins but the court declines to award attorney's fees because he made the case more difficult.
I am a Zionist. There are many non-antisemitic reasons to oppose Zionism. One does not need a religious reason to hold those views. It is ok not to support Zionism.
"It's the damnedest thing. All the organizations I'm affiliated with keep on getting swept up in antisemitic controversies! One thing is for sure: this requires no introspection on my part."
"There is great irony that the rejection of a single religion's right to have a homeland would itself be a religious belief."
I'm not sure if it is a great irony.
Also, opposition to Zionism need not be so idiosyncratic. A person can be opposed generally to homelands being assigned based on religious belief. Whatever "Zionism" specifically means, a general principle can be found to oppose it and other related "isms."
I question the removal of Carrie Prejean Boller for allegedly "hijacking" a proceeding by discussing her views. She was chosen, I would assume, because she was felt to have some value.
But the Trump Administration has a selective respect for religious liberty, particularly those religions that don't follow its tenets.
So, it isn't too surprising if she was removed for failing to follow the accepted line.
Prejean was not qualified to be appointed and she seems as much of a stupid idiot now as she did 15 years ago. She was appointed to score culture war points and own the libs. Set aside that.
Set aside her case: the logic in this post is terrible. Imagine if a left-winger wrote a post that said "religious people aren't actually against same-sex relationships for religious reasons, they're just hatemongers using the cover of religion". There is no reason to believe sincerely held beliefs can't be odious, stupid, or involve cherrypicking particular opponents while ignoring others.
I also think the treatment of anti-Zionism is a little stupid. Who are the leftists who think Modi's Hindu supremacy is good or permissible or a reasonable foundation for a state??? Besides that, though, there are any number of coherent philosophical backings for anti-Zionism. Suppose someone says "I disagree with all ethnic states and with ethnic nationalism generally". Such a person might concede that some ethnic states emerged through historical contingencies, and in some cases to protect ethnic groups who were subject to persecution in multi-ethnic states: so they can problematize the viewpoint without having to call for the immediate abolition of all such states. They then might further say that the degree of opposition to an ethnic state should be contingent on the amount of violence and suffering occurring under its banner; so, while opposing Japanese ethnic nationalism, such a person might not be as actively concerned about Japan as they are about SADR or Iranian persecution of ethnic Kurds or, again, Israel. They might also say that when it comes to historical ethnic cleansing and displacement, recent displacement carries primacy over more ancient displacement: so perhaps they care more about Han Chinese ethnic cleansing of Xinjiang than about grievances by Breton Ethnics in France over 800 year old displacements?
The Jews make the argument that anti-Zionism is antisemitism, and therefore must be rejected like the Nazis.
"The Jews" do not make any such argument.
Pro tip: any sentence that starts with the article "the" before any ethnic (or similar) group is unlikely to end well. "The blacks…" "The gays…" "The Jews…" "The Slavs…"
I'm sure some Jews have said what you claim, because even with our much diminished numbers there are about 15 million Jews worldwide, and that's a large enough number that one is likely to find at one adherent of every particular opinion. But the argument made by most Jews is that anti-Zionism is almost always motivated by antisemitism. (And indeed "Zionists" is often just a euphemism for "Jews.")
You are right that Jews have a wide diversity of opinions. Some are anti-Israel. I was referring to Blackman and the Jews on the C-span video. Admittedly, they did not all agree, and one of them only complained about antisemitism if it involved illegal acts.
I enjoyed reading this, Josh, because it did much to vindicate my conviction that you are an utter imbecile.
Setting aside your self-aggrandizement and chuckling quietly at the fact that your ambitions are not apparently compelling enough to overcome your sloth, the rough churning of gears one can see in this hypothetical “analysis” are barely enough to distract from the motivated reasoning.
You postulate - seriously! - the existence of a religion whose sole tenet is “anti-Zionism.” You then conclude that this religion - whose belief system you have constructed - is unlikely to pass the “sincere belief” requirement to qualify for protection under various religious freedom laws. And why is that? Why, because its sole tenet is to oppose Zionism, of course! How did that happen?
I know you “don’t read the comments”; you merely hear about what’s said from others you talk to. But you might consider, by way of comparison, the kinds of religious objections made by teachers, when they talk about their “religion” preventing them from using a student’s chosen name or pronouns, or by parents, when they talk about resisting mask mandates for their kids. No one on the expansionist side of this issue would contend that those individuals’ beliefs are so selective, particular, and lacking of doctrinal coherence that they cannot be seriously maintained as “sincere beliefs,” even though their lack of sincerity and true motivation is obvious to everyone else. Religious people are perfectly entitled to be idiots, as it turns out.
That applies just as well to “anti-Zionism.” A church for weed or a church for abortion fails to be “sincere” only insofar as the putative religious belief is a feint to cover for a desire to do something else. In contrast, a person can very sincerely have a religious belief that modern Israel is a sinful state that should not exist in its current form, without having a coherent explanation for why other theocratic and authoritarian ethnostates are acceptable.
>A baker in Colorado is a devout member of the Church of Anti-Zionism. A Jewish customer walks into his shop, and asks for a cake to celebrate Yom Ha'atzmaut, Israeli Independence Day.
The baker shouldn't need to be exempt from the public accommodations law because he isn't discriminating against Jews, or even against Zionist people. It's true that Jews buy Zionist cakes more than other people, but it's also true that Jews buy bagels more than other people, and it wouldn't be discrimination to refuse to sell bagels.
And that doesn't even get into the question of the cake being speech. Public accomodations law shouldn't apply whether his religion is anti-Zionist or not, because he can refuse to create speech for any or no reason whatsoever, and you don't need a religious exemption when you already have a freedom of speech exemption.
It would be a hate crime for a baker in Colorado to sell them.
There is, fascinatingly, a religious group which is explicitly anti-Zionist. And they're Jewish.
The Haredim are not unanimous on this, but there is one group whose studies have led them to the conclusion that forming a Jewish state is religiously forbidden until the Messianic age. I will not quote their arguments because I am certain to get them wrong.
So Professor Blackman's hypothetical question is not hypothetical after all.
There is no such thing as 'zionism'. Its just a euphamism for 'jew'.
If you're anti-zionist, you're anti-jew. You can see this by the actions of those who claim to be 'anti-zionist' - where they accuse Israelis of horrible things and try to hold them to a standard they refuse to hold actual repressive and horrific regimes to.
No. There are Jews who are anti-Zionist. There are lots of people who accept a Jewish state, but disagree with what Israel is doing. Even those who hold Jews to high standards are not necessarily anti-Jews. Eg, Jews themselves often hold Jews to high standards.