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Protest, Worship, and the Core of Free Exercise
On the anti-ICE protest at Cities Church in Minnesota
During a recent Sunday worship service at Cities Church, a Southern Baptist congregation in the Minneapolis–St. Paul area, protesters entered the sanctuary and interrupted the service, chanting slogans related to immigration enforcement and ICE. The incident was captured on video, including the church's livestream. Church leaders and congregants later described the intrusion as frightening and deeply disruptive.
Given the early stage of the proceedings, one can't draw firm conclusions about either the facts or the law. But we do know enough for some early observations.
At a high level, the episode sits at the intersection of three familiar principles. Political protest lies at the core of First Amendment protection. At the same time, the First Amendment does not confer an entitlement to enter private property or to substantially disrupt a private gathering simply because one has something important to say. A church sanctuary during worship is not a public forum; it is a private religious space dedicated to a specific purpose. For that reason, incidents like this are often addressed through ordinary, content-neutral state criminal law, such as trespass or disorderly conduct.
The Minnesota authorities don't seem inclined to prosecute, though. But the feds do. According to recent reports, federal authorities have arrested two protest organizers. I don't think the precise charges have been publicly clarified, but the feds had previously indicated that they were investigating potential civil-rights violations.
One statute they reportedly are considering is the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act, or FACE Act, 18 U.S.C. § 248. In addition to its application in the clinic-access context, the Act makes it unlawful to use "force," "threats of force," or "physical obstruction" to intentionally "injure, intimidate or interfere with" a person "exercising or seeking to exercise" the right of religious freedom at a place of worship. Whether those elements are met here will depend on the facts—for example, whether protesters physically blocked worshippers' movement, whether they employed threats or intimidation, etc. The statute does not criminalize protest as such.
Whatever the ultimate legal analysis, these issues matter beyond this particular episode. People debate what the free exercise of religion means, legally and philosophically. But, at least as far back as John Locke, the right to worship peacefully has been understood to lie at its core. If free exercise doesn't mean the right to worship peacefully in your own sanctuary without being interrupted by outside protesters, it's hard to know what it would mean. Protecting that right is essential to religious pluralism and to living together amid deep disagreement.
I discuss these issues in more detail in a short Legal Spirits episode, available here.
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Given that nobody got hurt, I think the protesters should be prosecuted locally for misdemeanor-level offences like trespass. They shouldn’t get off free. But this is not and should not be turned into a federal felony-level offense. We need to exercise some perspective, have some common sense, and not allow ourselves to be blinded by ideological blinkers. We shouldn’t allow slogans, weaponized victimization, fits of self-serving self-pity, and rediculously broad definitions of crimes to whip us up into a draconian frenzy over what is, from any reasonable common-sense point of view, a fairly minor matter.
If this is a first offense these folks should get off with a fine and maybe a suspended sentence or probation. If they do it again, then government would be justified in coming down harder.
"But this is not and should not be turned into a federal felony-level offense. "
But it is a federal crime.
"We need to exercise some perspective, have some common sense, and not allow ourselves to be blinded by ideological blinkers."
These are not uninformed people who didn't know what they were doing. They know the law. And they chose to break it, thinking they were immune.
That's certainly not the precedent; the FACE act has frequently been invoked in situations where there are no physical injuries.
It's also worth noting that there is at least one report of a broken arm... with the usual caveats about how unreliable reporting is nowadays.
Perhaps this is because the existence of an injury is not an element of the crime. Rather, the act requires the use or threat of force. After all, if the victim hands the robber the money, he doesn’t get hurt, yet force and/or threats of force were certainly used.
I see you wisely chose not to suggest that that force or threats of force had occurred here. You didn’t even suggest that the protesters caused the injury, only that an injury happened to occur.
I don't trust any reporting about anything happening in Minneapolis, thus the passive voice. It's all half-truths or outright lies on both sides.
"But this is not and should not be turned into a federal felony-level offense."
Now discuss anti-abortion protests.
Cite cases.
The offense can be completed with force, threat of force, or physical obstruction. Actively blocking entrances is obstruction, independent of force. But it doesn’t look like any obstruction occurred here. The protest took place inside the church, after the congregants had entered. Similarly, the protest did not use or threaten force.
You have to look at the specific circumstances and the specific elements of the offense. The robber may be right that the guy in front of him asked the teller for the very same amount of money and nobody thought it a problem. While it’s true, it doesn’t tell the whole story, looking at what the robber actually did and comparing them to the elements of the crime.
If in the abortion protests people obstructed climic entrences, that makes them materially different from this case, even though it may look superficially the same to you.
But if the state and local prosecutors take the side of the law breakers and refuse to prosecute?
You know they'd all be up in arms if anti-immigration protesters had broken into a Mosque. But because they like the message and don't care much about the victims, it's different. I think we can all admit that this is not how it's supposed to work
This from the same type of people screaming "INSURRECTION!!!" Over what was essentially an unscheduled guided tour. You all were fine with nationwide manhunts and solitary confinement for less so, no, normal federal felony charges don"t seem out of line.
That shouldn't have even been trespass, as uniformed Capital Police (i.e., apparent authority) opened the door and expressly invited most of them in.
Can you show me another “unguided tour” where the “tourists” carried weapons into the building against a strict prohibition from careying weapons? Where police officers got killed? Where members of Congress’ offices got ransacked?
Please produce. I’m waiting.
I would tend to agree, though I do not think we should be quite so lenient. These people should be arrested and prosecuted, but I do not think anyone should be spending more than a month in prison. This is the same thing that I said about the January 6th incident five years ago.
This is a serious offense designed to instill terror. There's no other excuse for breaking into a church during service. Scare people away from the church and cause them to throw out their pastor to save themselves. That's completely unacceptable in multiple ways.
I think throwing people in jail for years on this is too much. But we should not let this go with a slap on the wrist.
No one got hurt in part because of the expectation of criminal prosecution. Without that, the congregation will get volunteers to stand by the doors and hurt troublemakers attempting to enter.
I think that it is important to note that what is omitted from a lot of reports... that the reason that the protest occurred here is because David Easterwood is a pastor, and he leads the local ICE Field Office.
It's not like this was a random protest. It was targeted at the leader of the local ICE Field Office.
Now, if the civil protesters violated a law there should be a reasonable penalty for same. People who are old enough to remember can think of, inter alia, ACT UP and the Catholic church. But let's not edit out WHY THE PROTEST HAPPENED AT THAT PLACE.
Pastor one minute, directing thugs to brutalize your fellow citizens the next. Must be good at compartmentalizing.
I don’t see that as mitigating anything. You can’t disrupt a religious service just because you disagree with the church or its pastor’s ideology or legal activities.
It would be totally inconsistent with the whole concept of freedom of speech and religion to have one law for disrupting people you agree with, and another for disrupting people you disagree with.
It's not a question of mitigating- it's a question of reporting. In fact, I wrote that!
"Now, if the civil protesters violated a law there should be a reasonable penalty for same."
But when people talk about it (as above) it should be noted that this was a protest directed at the individual leading the ICE Field Office. Because otherwise, it leaves out the core of what the protest was about.
It would be like writing about Rosa Parks and talking about seating laws generally, without referring to anyone's race.
Protests involving churches occur- ACT UP. Or protests involving the Catholic Church and pedophilia. To omit the why of the protest when discussing it means that we can't truly understand why this administration has been so hellbent on taking extraordinary measures.
"Because otherwise, it leaves out the core of what the protest was about."
But, legally, the core of what this protest was about is legally irrelevant. So we simply don't care.
Rosa Parks is a terrible analogy, because Rosa Parks didn't respond to the seating law by tracking down the general manager of the bus company and disrupting a church service he was at. The law she violated was itself the law being protested.
Unless they're protesting the legality of church services, it's simply not comparable.
Actually, it matters a great deal. See below.
Trump pardoned numerous people convicted under the FACE Act. The Trump DOJ then dropped continuing prosecutions under the FACE Act, and announced a new policy that it would not use the FACE Act unless there was violence or severe property damage.
So the question of why the Trump DOJ is using the FACE Act in this case against their own stated policy (and lying to support probable cause) ... in other words, why they are doing so when the protest had no violence or property damage but was directed against the administration ... is highly relevant.
I linked below to the actual memo: The rationale was that except in extraordinary circumstances, local prosecutions could take care of the matter.
Here, local prosecutions cannot take care of the matter, because the local prosecutors are allied with the people who invaded the church.
So it's not just that the post should have mentioned that the pastor worked for ICE, it's that Movsesian should have written a different post about what Loki thinks is a selective prosecution issue?
Whatever you think about the motivation for the protest, it has nothing to do with whether or not the protestors broke any laws, which is the topic of this post.
I think you don't quite understand the concept of BAMN. In a good cause, all necessary means are legitimate, regardless of nominal legality. In a bad cause, all means employed are illegitimate, regardless of whether they're entirely legal.
There is simply no judging things without reference to the cause, the cause is everything.
No, that's not it at all. I think I already discussed this above.
Civil disobediance often requires consequences. And protests at a church are not exactly a new thing. The feds never even let the local process play out.
Instead, they had to lie and double down on their nonsense. And rely on the rubes, like you, to fall in line.
This isn't a national security issue. These aren't terrorists. And this is just a bullshit attempt to create headlines. I expect that we will see these cases dismissed soon because this DOJ is all about the lies, which do not tend to survive actual court.
Of course, the lies linger on. People like you (BOVINE HAD A KILL BOUNTY ON HIM!!111!!!) and XY (ABREGO WAS A PEDOPHILE GANGBANGER!!!11!!!!) repeat the lies long after the truth comes out (no and no respectively).
This. Was. Not. Civil. Disobedience.
Civil disobedience consists of peacefully violating a law, publicly, in order to protest that law, to force the government to enforce it publicly in the expectation that the public conscience will recoil at the sight.
Ghandi was engaged in civil disobedience when he sat down by the sea shore to dry seawater in a pan making salt, in violation of the British salt monopoly. That monopoly was what he was protesting.
Rosa Parks was engaged in civil disobedience when she sat down in the front of the bus in violation of an ordinance demanding she sit in the back. That ordinance was what she was protesting.
The Greensboro boys were engaged in civil disobedience when they sat down at a "whites only" lunch counter and ordered a meal. They were protesting the law making it whites only.
These yahoos were not protesting a law making church services legal. They were not violating the law they were protesting, they were violating an entirely different law, and not even civily.
This was not civil disobedience. It was simply criminality.
So by your logic, the Selma protesters who staged a sit-in at the White House during the Civil Rights era in 1965 were doing it to protest laws against public access to the White House? Or are you saying that wasn't civil disobedience and was simple criminality?
Brett has a grand theory of civil disobediance. He knows the good kind when he sees it.
What is the good kind? The stuff that occurred in the past that didn't bother him.
What is the bad kind? The kind that occurs now, that bothers him.
I wish Brett would actually look back at how all of this worked, but I doubt he will. That would require understanding how difficult it was and putting aside his preconceived notions.
It's not a matter of good vs bad. It's a matter of not compromising the utility of language by blurring relevant distinctions.
The latter. I reserve the term "civil disobedience" for when you're violating the law you're protesting.
Violating an unrelated law as part of a protest is just criminality. It doesn't deserve to be dignified by comparing it to real civil disobedience.
And by that same logic, Martin Luther King was a common criminal when he wrote Letter from Birmingham Jail, because he was protesting segregation laws by violating an injunction against public demonstrations.
I mean, sure, that's a position someone could take and see how far it gets them.
"So by your logic..."
Or by anyone else's logic.
Here's MLK on it. "King regarded civil disobedience to be a display and practice of reverence for law: "Any man who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust and willingly accepts the penalty by staying in jail to arouse the conscience of the community on the injustice of the law is at that moment expressing the very highest respect for the law."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience
Civil Disobedience is breaking the law that you feel is unjust. It is not breaking OTHER laws to protest a law you feel is unjust.
If you think non-US citizens should be able to vote, as a non-US citizen, civil disobedience would be illegally voting. It wouldn't be, for example, robbing a grocery store to protest not being able to vote.
No one has Brett's definition of civil disobedience.
Well, not quite true...some folks manifestly on the wrong side of history sure do sound like Brett.
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F3w0qffiqkvs51.jpg
Also: https://thenib.com/destructive-criticism/
"Rosa Parks"
...did not commit any crime at all. The Jim Crow policy she violated was unconstitutional.
Try another analogy.
That may make it worse. Now it looks like deliberate targeting based on religion.
Pastor one minute, directing thugs to brutalize your fellow citizens the next. Must be good at compartmentalizing.
What an asinine take! Maybe it works the other way too, that he's a kinder, gentler, ICE boss because of being a pastor.
What next, analyze his fishing style? What kind of hobbies do you have, buster?
he's a kinder, gentler, ICE boss
You wrote this.
Wooosh!!!
Did it ever occur to anyone that a chaplain has the moral to step in and tell the organization that they shouldn’t be doing things if they happen to start doing things they ought not be doing?
The chaplain has the moral authority to go to the boss and say, Sir, that’s not a Christian thing to do, we ought not be doing it.
As ICE’s Problem is poorly trained gung ho 19 year olds, having a chaplain around is a really good idea and not something people should be protesting. And I don’t care if he’s a minister, priest, or rabbi. A Man of God is gonna be saying the same things.
Okay ...
but FACA managed to make itself content neutral and therefore not vulnerable to first amendment challenge by protecting a class of establishment, not a class of speech. You can't obstructively picket abortions at abortion clinics, and you also can't do one of those labor pickets where the unionists pound on hoods of cars of people trying to get to work provided the unionists are picketing an abortion clinic or a church but you can if they're picketing an orthopedist or a political party headquarters.
To me, it feels like a back-door content sensitive speech restriction, because essentially all of the picketing that takes place at abortion clinics is about abortions and not wages paid to workers, but the law is what it is. Obviously the inclusion of houses of worship was needed to get specific socially conservative votes when FACA was enacted, but if you do that, you need to accept the consequence, even if it protects people you don't like.
-dk
"The Minnesota authorities don't seem inclined to prosecute, though. But the feds do."
Why, exactly, would the state authorities refuse to prosecute? Does Minnesota law fail to cover this case? That would make Minnesota different from other states, which prohibit such behavior.
Or do the "Minnesota authorities" have extra-legal reasons for their faillure to prosecute? The only reason I raise this issue is that the state authorities seem to be in sympathy with these protesters, though hopefully this sympathy wouldn't affect their willingness to enforce applicable laws (if they have any).
As for the feds, I have my doubts about federal prosecution of local breaches of the peace. In fact, my naive reaction is to wonder whether the feds even have any authority in this area. But Congress hasn't shared my doubts, and apparently neither have the courts, and plenty of private people have been federally prosecuted for obstructing the operations of churches - and of abortion clinics, also covered in the FACE Act.
So if there can't be a FACE Act prosecution of this particular disruption, I hope that prolife attorneys are taking notes, since the federal rules as to church protests apply to abortion-clinic protests, too.
"Why, exactly, would the state authorities refuse to prosecute?"
Prosecutorial discretion.
"Does Minnesota law fail to cover this case?"
No.
"Or do the "Minnesota authorities" have extra-legal reasons for their faillure to prosecute? "
Yes.
What extra-legal reasons would this mean? Prosecutorial discretion could mean a lot of things.
They approve of the protest.
Look, much as I dislike what are really local crimes being turned into federal crimes, this case is exactly the sort of thing it was intended for: Where the local government won't prosecute criminals because it disapproves of the victims.
>They approve of the protest.
Yea, there is a reason the aggressive "protests" are happening in Minneapolis.
"Why, exactly, would the state authorities refuse to prosecute?"
Because the state is ruled by democrats, and the victims are Christian.
The MN Attorney General has taken the position that the FACE act only applies to abortion clinics. How he reached that conclusion is unclear.
This is why legislative compromises have become so difficult. Even if you arrive at a compromise, and enact it into law, people then try to simply ignore the parts of the compromise that bought the other side's agreement.
"How he reached that conclusion is unclear."
Because he has his head so far up his ass he would need a glass navel to see anything?
It's the same logic that gets you "equal protection" only applies to one specific race or sex.
Some missing context: the pastor of this particular church was also the acting field director for ICE in Minnesota when an ICE agent shot and killed Renee Good.
hhttps://www.fox9.com/news/activists-call-cities-church-pastor-resign-over-ice-leadership-conflict
Imagine a prolifer saying: "Some mssing context for the recent disruption at that medical facility: The director of this medical facility kills babies."
I doubt you'd contextualize in this way.
Would you?
Of course he would.
> Easterwood did not appear to be at Sunday’s service.
" . . . one can't draw firm conclusions about either the facts or the law."
Well, I can draw firm conclusions from reviewing the livestream, which would be hard to edit in real time.
And I can draw firm conclusions from reading the text of the relevant federal laws.
Sorry about your thought process.
Meanwhile, radio silence from VC bloggers about the Pretti killing. Even Blackman, who loves to analyze shooting videos, hasn’t posted. I assume he’s struggling to defend this even though I don’t think he’s ever cared if his defenses are cogent or principled.
There are many videos, all potentially edited.
What does not exist is a real time view from the perspective of the officer firing, without all the other views he would not have had.
But even on the videos available, it is clear Pretti committed at least three federal felonies before the shooting.
I think you’re either delusional or an outright liar. You’d make a great WH press secretary. Or DHS spokesperson.
It’s come out this was not his first scuffle with it with ice. In a prior brawl, he got a broken rib. We’re finding out more and more about him.
I don’t think he’s an innocent victim.
oops.
Just as an FYI ...
the Trump DOJ DROPPED several pending FACE Act prosecutions, and pardoned 23 people that had been convicted under the FACE Act.
The Trump DOJ then announced that, moving forward, they would not enforce the FACE Act at all, except in extraordinary circumstances involving death or serious property damage.
In other words ...well, you know. I would say that it's all bullshit and hypocrisy, but of course it is. They can't keep their lies straight. It's simple- punish those who are against the regime, and exempt the friends of the regime.
Here's the relevant memo.
"To address this concern and to ensure that federal law enforcement and prosecutorial resources are devoted to the most serious violations of federal law, future abortion-related FACE Act prosecutions and civil actions will be permitted only in extraordinary circumstances, or in cases presenting significant aggravating factors, such as death, serious bodily harm, or serious property damage. Cases not presenting significant aggravating factors can adequately be addressed under state or local law."
I think that's fair, as a general matter acts that are crimes under local law should be dealt with under local law, unless there's some reason to suppose that local law enforcement are going to systematically refuse to enforce such laws.
As is the case here...
Actually, that's not the case. We all know that there wasn't even time for local processes to work out (which would probably be misdemeanour trespassing).
Why? Because the Administration Lying maching went into high gear and demanded arrests. And that's what they did. They even filed BS documents claiming that this was a "national security" issue.
At some point, Brett, you need to stop being so gullible. You realize that these people lie, all the time, right?
I'll agree that it would have been better to give the local authorities time to demonstrate their indifference to the crime.
If by indifference, you mean a misdemeanor for trespass... which is what any rational person would expect ... then sure.
But if you believe that these are OMG TERRORIST NATIONAL SECURITY THREATS!!!11!!! then I guess that isn't enough.
It's all BS, all the way down.
No, by indifference I mean deciding it wasn't worth prosecuting.
Well, we know two things-
1. The Trumpist regime obstructs local authorities from doing their job, even when they have a warrant. See, e.g., invesitgating a murder.
2. The Trumpist regime lies in order to effectuate a prosecution prior to the local authorities being able to investigate. Again, they went immediately to arrests under the FACE act before any decision could be made - the local authorities wouldn't have used the FACE act because that's stupid, but I do not doubt that there would have been a misdemeanor charge. But this was the case that was so urgent that the feds tried to secretly mandamus it, remember?
The Administration's concern for religious liberty is somewhat selective as shown by some attacks on clergy protesters (protesting on the streets) and things like this:
https://religionnews.com/2025/07/28/fourth-group-of-religious-organizations-sues-trump-administration-over-ice-raids-at-churches/
That's because it has nothing to do with religious liberty, and everything to do with protecting the ICE Field director.
ICE has brutalized so many clergy you can't count. And yet, here we have the usual suspects complaining about a ... protest.
It would be nice if they had a little empathy for the clergy that have been assaulted and beaten by the administration's thugs. Actual, you know, violence.
It actually has to do with both protecting the ICE field director, AND religious liberty. Liberty in general.
The left in this country want to establish a principle that, if you're doing something they disapprove of, never mind if it's legal, you don't get to have a life. You don't get to peacefully eat dinner at a restaurant, you don't get to drop your kids off at a day care, you don't get to attend mass or hold a job, you don't even get to sleep at night.
They want to establish that the people they don't like will have their lives made into a living hell, regardless of legality. So just submit already.
It is desperately important to the survival of civil society in this country that they have it proven to them that they will not be allowed to establish that principle.
Oh, cry me a river. The left? You are complaining about the left? Look around you!
The Trumpists (I am not going to dignify them by calling them the right, because I respect the conservatives who haven't drunk the kool-aid) aren't leaving people alone. They are invading our states. They are assaulting, arresting, and murdering us.
They are invading our homes without warrants.
They kill us and then slander us.
They piss on our legs and then tell us it's raining, and that the rain is the fault of the terrorists.
They beat up and arrest American citizens for exercising protected rights, while pardoning drug smugglers who give money to the government.
How dare you say that the survival of a civil society demands that we lick the boot of those who would take our rights away?
You deserve neither freedom nor security, Brett.
"The left in this country want to establish a principle that, if you're doing something they disapprove of, never mind if it's legal, you don't get to have a life" is an interesting take in the wake of the government murdering two members of "'the left" for demonstrating in a way the right doesn't approve of.
“It is desperately important to the survival of civil society in this country that they have it proven to them that they will not be allowed to establish that principle.”
Incredible statement in the wake of masked police marching the streets and killing citizens.
Josh Blackman, involved in that religious liberty commission or whatever, should provide his .02.
I second loki. A summary should include basic facts.
The leader of the protest, a member of the clergy herself, along as being involved in past civil rights protests noted:
We participated in the first part of the service, and the pastor prayed during the service, “Dear God, please chasten us and help us to get our house in order.” So, when he was done praying, I stood up, and I said, “Excuse me, Pastor, you just prayed this particular prayer.” And he said, “Correct.” And I said, “Well, help me understand: How is David Easterwood a pastor here and also a director of ICE in St. Paul?”
https://www.democracynow.org/2026/1/21/nekima_levy_armstrong_minneapolis_ice_protest
I suppose when Jesus overturned the moneytables some people were frightened and upset, but putting the weight of the Roman authorities on him would have been misguided. Or so many Christians think. His actions very well might have been directly connected to his arrest soon after.
The context doesn't mean legal action is unwarranted. Civil disobedience by principle includes leaving yourself open to prosecution. After all, what is good for the goose is good for the gander. A protest can be motivated by any number of things.
The federal response here has been extreme:
https://substack.com/inbox/post/185584447
The suitable response here is to have the local authorities handle it. We are told that we "can't draw firm conclusions," but it is assumed that local authorities won't suitably act.
How do we know this?
Federal legislation is best used when local authorities are overwhelmed or incorrectly handle the situation in a blatant fashion. A nonviolent protest of this sort should not be made a federal case as a general rule.
TBH, this Administration (as seen here) is not trustworthy to handle the situation better. As a matter of Christian faith, there is a biblical admonition against getting the authorities involved in disputes among believers. That also might be kept in mind.
They've already lied repeatedly to the courts. They tried to keep the submissions to the 8th Circui9t sealed so we wouldn't know that they were saying that this was a ... national security issue!
There is nothing too underhanded, slimy, or brazen for this administration to lie about.
Protesters are terrorists and a national security emergency.
Being shot in the back for no reason makes you an assassin and a domestic terrorist.
Do you know how you know the people in this administration are lying to you? They open their mouth.
An overreaction on the part of the feds, and a failure to prosecute on the part of the state. Those are the sort of "choices" presented to voters. How anyone can be enthusiastic about any major-party candidate, even one they hold their nose and vote for, is beyond me.
"Civil disobedience by principle includes leaving yourself open to prosecution."
The classic case of civil disobediance is the movement among Black people to resist Jim Crow. That was a good thing, because civil disobedience is an appropriate response to oppression on the part of a population which has been *unconstitutionally disenfranchised.* If they're denied their legally-guaranteed access to the ballot box, they are entitled to relax the rules a bit and break some laws. Thank God most civil-rights leaders sought to confine their resistance to *peaceful* lawbreaking, because disenfranchised people have been known to be violent.
But now, it seems, there are civil rights LARPers who justify their acts by invoking the peaceful rebellion against Jim Crow, even though the factor of massive illegal disenfranchisement isn't present.
And while I think the anti-Jim-Crow demonstrators could have legitimately sought to avoid *any* punishment, peacefully submitting to the repression - thus exposing the naked brutality of Jim Crow - was good in mobilizing the fence-sitting Whites to (at least temporarily) take practical action to enforce equal rights.
And while Lord knows the racial situation today is pretty far from Utopian, it would be madness to deny that things have gotten a lot better.
If you check out the world situation in the 1960s, we should be grateful that things in the U. S. went the way they did.
We could have been Cyprus or Northern Ireland, which starting in the 1960s went from bad to worse (though maybe by now they're recovering). And that's just in Europe!
I suppose we could still go the bad route, there's certainly enough ingredients for such an outcome nowadays.
In fairness, we've regressed over the last 15 years. The golden era (graded on a curve) was probably 1995-2008.
It's always possible for things to get much worse, but saying things are worse than 2008 is not as bad as saying things are worse than (say) 1960.
"I suppose when Jesus overturned the moneytables some people were frightened and upset" [etc., etc.]
Well, at least you don't suffer from a self-esteem deficit.
"I suppose when Jesus overturned the moneytables some people were frightened and upset, but putting the weight of the Roman authorities on him would have been misguided. Or so many Christians think. His actions very well might have been directly connected to his arrest soon after. "
The invaders of that church were not Jesus.
I guess you are saying we should just crucify the indicted women, to keeo the Jesus comparison going.
Doesn't matter Joe.
It's like saying, "well, you blocked off that abortion clinic, but it's OK because your daughter got an abortion there"
No. Just because the Pastor there happened to work for ICE, it doesn't mean you can freely disrupt services there.
Incidentally, if we're discussing legal issues, what happened to inquest juries? Didn't they used to call such juries when people died in controversial circumstances, e. g., a police shooting?
As far as these Minneapolis shootings are concerned, I'd sure trust the verdict of an inquest jury more than I would an Official Government Spokesperson or "activist" or Internet commenter. Sorry, guys.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/VE9xWsaX7V
ICE Agent in Minneapolis: “You raise your voice, I erase your voice.”
Brett Bellmore: “The Left is destroying civil society!”
Brett thinks we need to stop documenting the thugs and protesting what they do, and just let them continue to gas preschools and terrorize American Citizens.
That's the right way to do things!
One question about disrupting a church service because the pastor is a Bad Person.
Would these folks disrupt a judicial hearing on the ground that the presiding judge was a Bad Person? I suspect they wouldn't, because they know they'd be punished on the spot.